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New Generation of the Chicago Outfit.

Posted By: miklo

New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/17/17 06:55 PM

They remain about 10 families of the Italian mafia in the united states and I would make an article on each of them every week to know which their members or future members are under 50 years old to see their potential in a few years knowing that there are more and more elderly members and that the new generations are slow to make their appearance and they will not know especially on the same level as their predecessors.
For the Chicago family:
Paul Carparelli Born in 1968 Soldier currently imprisoned it should leave early 2018.
Robert Panozzo Jr. Born in 1992 Associates currently incarcerated in state prison is expected to leave in mid-2018.
Antonio Lumbrazo Born in 1968 Possible Soldier.
If you have other names?
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/18/17 08:55 AM

Nicholas Ferriola born in 1977 was the son of chicago boss Joseph Ferriola and get 3 y in the family secret case in 2008.
Posted By: miklo

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/18/17 04:30 PM

Frank Orlando Born in 1968 was arrested with Paul Carparelli he is currently incarcerated he should be released in April 2018 I think he is a partner otherwise I think the Chicago Outfit is one of the families with the least future seen the advanced age of all is members it in the end of its history what do you think?
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/18/17 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: miklo
Frank Orlando Born in 1968 was arrested with Paul Carparelli he is currently incarcerated he should be released in April 2018 I think he is a partner otherwise I think the Chicago Outfit is one of the families with the least future seen the advanced age of all is members it in the end of its history what do you think?



The reason why the Outfit is still viable is that unless the other families had a large numbers of italian and not italian associates.
What you see is the core group (30 made men) but each capo was a boss in his little, so you see the old guys but not the young boys.
Posted By: miklo

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/18/17 06:07 PM

Do you really think Furio that the Outfit will have a new generation after the departure of the elders who are still in place?
Posted By: FriendoftheFamily

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/18/17 06:30 PM


We shall see - what we shall see....
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/18/17 09:06 PM

Everything is a big guess when it comes to the modern day Outfit because they are so secretive. I've read in another thread recently that the FBI has given up on making a case against DiFronzo because the man is just too well insulated.

So as long as nobody cooperates we basically don't know anything..
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/19/17 09:18 AM

Originally Posted By: miklo
Do you really think Furio that the Outfit will have a new generation after the departure of the elders who are still in place?


Yes Miklo because in the outfit like in Detroit the sons follows his fathers in the life (Calabrese that flips was an exception) and for sure the outfit won't have problems to find smart criminals with an italian surname.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/19/17 05:16 PM

If the Outfit were still powerful, that umpire who called the foul tip during the Granderson at bat last night would have never made it home.

Know what' I'm talkin' bout? Huh?

Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/19/17 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Originally Posted By: miklo
Do you really think Furio that the Outfit will have a new generation after the departure of the elders who are still in place?


Yes Miklo because in the outfit like in Detroit the sons follows his fathers in the life (Calabrese that flips was an exception) and for sure the outfit won't have problems to find smart criminals with an italian surname.


I disagree Fur, Calabrese was the exception in that usually in The Outfit sons DO NOT follow their fathers in to The Life. Frank jr said it many times in interviews and in his book that in Chicago, unlike often is the case in NY, Outfit members want their sons to have a (semi-) legitimate profession and don't want their kids in The Outfit.
Posted By: miklo

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/19/17 10:20 PM

Ok thank you for this information so you think the Outfit and the Detroit family still have many years ahead of them?
I thought that they were rather in their last years
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 02:31 AM

The outfit is still going strong, unlike other families, the outfit rewards mobsters that do a stretch in prison so naturally more often then not, senior people will be in the forefront. The younger mobsters are there but they have to earn their trust
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 02:32 AM

What was the story behind the friction between the Cicero faction and the admin? Did it have anything to do with Marino taking a picture with a snitch?
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 09:40 AM

Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Originally Posted By: miklo
Do you really think Furio that the Outfit will have a new generation after the departure of the elders who are still in place?


Yes Miklo because in the outfit like in Detroit the sons follows his fathers in the life (Calabrese that flips was an exception) and for sure the outfit won't have problems to find smart criminals with an italian surname.


I disagree Fur, Calabrese was the exception in that usually in The Outfit sons DO NOT follow their fathers in to The Life. Frank jr said it many times in interviews and in his book that in Chicago, unlike often is the case in NY, Outfit members want their sons to have a (semi-) legitimate profession and don't want their kids in The Outfit.


Ah ok Billy I don't read those books but if the ferriola son is in the outfit maybe wasn't the only mobster son that decide to join the outfit even if his father said to don't do it.
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: miklo
They remain about 10 families of the Italian mafia in the united states and I would make an article on each of them every week to know which their members or future members are under 50 years old to see their potential in a few years knowing that there are more and more elderly members and that the new generations are slow to make their appearance and they will not know especially on the same level as their predecessors.
For the Chicago family:
Paul Carparelli Born in 1968 Soldier currently imprisoned it should leave early 2018.
Robert Panozzo Jr. Born in 1992 Associates currently incarcerated in state prison is expected to leave in mid-2018.
Antonio Lumbrazo Born in 1968 Possible Soldier.
If you have other names?


Lumbrazzo "The Canoli Kid" is a DJ in Bucktown and posts in the Facebook Group.

The real younger guys in Chicago like Rada, Andy Rovito, Nick Ruggio and John Rainone are mostly kids of Outfit guys that pull small time scams and open restaurants in the suburbs. There are other Sicilians in Addison like Pete LaBalestra and others who took over Tony Carcione and Frank Rappa's drug business who are in their 40s and 50s. There are a lot of other young guys that no one really knows like "Jonny Moe" a massive guy who guards Marco D'Amico.
Posted By: JJChicago

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 02:54 PM

What picture are you talking about with Marino with a snitch?Can you post it?

Also, what about Anthony Giannone. He's around 50 or so and has been involved in about everything including drugs, extortion, loansharking, theft and bookmaking. Anyone got info on him?
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Originally Posted By: miklo
Do you really think Furio that the Outfit will have a new generation after the departure of the elders who are still in place?


Yes Miklo because in the outfit like in Detroit the sons follows his fathers in the life (Calabrese that flips was an exception) and for sure the outfit won't have problems to find smart criminals with an italian surname.


I disagree Fur, Calabrese was the exception in that usually in The Outfit sons DO NOT follow their fathers in to The Life. Frank jr said it many times in interviews and in his book that in Chicago, unlike often is the case in NY, Outfit members want their sons to have a (semi-) legitimate profession and don't want their kids in The Outfit.


completely false. Outfit intermarries & brings family into it more than any other American LCN group.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: JJChicago
What picture are you talking about with Marino with a snitch?Can you post it?

Also, what about Anthony Giannone. He's around 50 or so and has been involved in about everything including drugs, extortion, loansharking, theft and bookmaking. Anyone got info on him?


I think he's referring to an elderly Elmwood Park resident also with the surname of Marino that Calabrese Jr was photographed with a few years back.

If so, that is not the Louie 'Tomatoes' Marino, the legendary Ferriola crew member, of whom you're likely referring to.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 03:59 PM

a few other sleepers are Steve Panzarella & Mark Montana, although those guys are not necessarily young anymore, but they could be considered so by Outfit standards.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 04:23 PM

Also, Mikey 'Jaws' Giorango, the Outfit's guy down in FLA.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: chinaman
Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Originally Posted By: miklo
Do you really think Furio that the Outfit will have a new generation after the departure of the elders who are still in place?


Yes Miklo because in the outfit like in Detroit the sons follows his fathers in the life (Calabrese that flips was an exception) and for sure the outfit won't have problems to find smart criminals with an italian surname.


I disagree Fur, Calabrese was the exception in that usually in The Outfit sons DO NOT follow their fathers in to The Life. Frank jr said it many times in interviews and in his book that in Chicago, unlike often is the case in NY, Outfit members want their sons to have a (semi-) legitimate profession and don't want their kids in The Outfit.


completely false. Outfit intermarries & brings family into it more than any other American LCN group.


According to Frank Calabrese jr. it was the complete opposite.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 04:39 PM

[/quote] According to Frank Calabrese jr. it was the complete opposite. [/quote]

And again, I say: absolutely false. The Outfit is more similar to a Camorristi Clan than any other Italian American Crime group.
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 05:40 PM

the outfit is completely defunct at this point. detroit too
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 05:59 PM

Not even close to being defunct. No one thinks that either. Detroit, I can't speak on, but probably. The Outfit has more juice on the street & clout than Philly or Boston, that's for sure. Probably equal with street level stuff to the Bonnanos, give or take.

The two families never had much in common, other than the fact that they did business together occasionally & are both in the Midwest. They also are both adamant on inter-marriage & bringing relatives into the Life.
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: chinaman
Not even close to being defunct. No one thinks that either. Detroit, I can't speak on, but probably. The Outfit has more juice on the street & clout than Philly or Boston, that's for sure. Probably equal with street level stuff to the Bonnanos, give or take.

The two families never had much in common, other than the fact that they did business together occasionally & are both in the Midwest. They also are both adamant on inter-marriage & bringing relatives into the Life.


did you just compare chicago to the bonannos? lol
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: chinaman
Also, Mikey 'Jaws' Giorango, the Outfit's guy down in FLA.


Jaws' son Marco got 40 years for dealing drugs last year. I think Jaws himself is laying very low right now.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 06:30 PM

ChiTown I heard that. Marshal Giorango right? He was a dealer in that UofI Champaign ecstacy ring? Was in his early 20s? What a fuck up. If I'm thinking of the right kid.

For those unaware, Jaws Giorango was facilitating a lucrative prostitution ring known as 'The Circuit' in Miami. He was the straw that cracked the back of Broadway Bank, the bank owned by Obama protege Alexi Giannoulias, who was also in the running for Illinois State Treasurer. He loaned Jaws around $20 million.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 06:31 PM

ChiTown what is your opinion on the Guzzinos & whether or not they are still heavies in the south side?
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: chinaman
a few other sleepers are Steve Panzarella & Mark Montana, although those guys are not necessarily young anymore, but they could be considered so by Outfit standards.


Cicero Crew members. As is Dom Montagna and Steve Porrino. Panzarella is a significant business guy at O'Hare Airport.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: ChiTown
Originally Posted By: chinaman
a few other sleepers are Steve Panzarella & Mark Montana, although those guys are not necessarily young anymore, but they could be considered so by Outfit standards.


Cicero Crew members. As is Dom Montagna and Steve Porrino. Panzarella is a significant business guy at O'Hare Airport.


He sold his shipping company a long time ago, correct?

Again, for those who care to know, Steve Panzarella was a shipping mogul (responsible for a large portion of Motorola shipping in the 90s) who pumped a considerable amount of capital into the rise of Fat Mike Sarno. Some may say, he bought his way into the Outfit.

Montana I don't know as much about. He is a real estate guy, no?
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/20/17 11:41 PM

the bonannos have at least 14 captains and plenty of active soldiers. they have many many earners and yet they are one of the weaker families in ny. anyone who wants to compare the bonannos or any of the five families to chicago needs a fucking lobotomy.
Posted By: slick

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 12:11 AM

I think that Tony Gallichio is another sleeper. Tony,Johnny "GiGi" Rovito and Paul Carparelli were partners in a restaurant. If you remember in the wiretaps between Paul and George Brown, Paul was mad because George had tried to go around him and get "work" from "Tony". Paul and one of the other owners had a falling out over the investigation. I believe that Tony is the son of another former Outfit member/associate.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 01:05 AM

a one Pete Gallichio is who you may be referring to.

I don't believe i saw that transcript, have a link?
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 08:16 AM

Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
the bonannos have at least 14 captains and plenty of active soldiers. they have many many earners and yet they are one of the weaker families in ny. anyone who wants to compare the bonannos or any of the five families to chicago needs a fucking lobotomy.


The NY families had more soldiers and many more associates while Chicago always had a core group of made men and many non-Italian associates and few of them had the status of capos and was respected even he wasn't italian. Also the Outfit was more oriented to white collar rackets while in the other family especially the bonannos the drugs was the main racket.
Posted By: slick

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 05:05 PM

No Tony Gallichio.

http://www.villageofbloomingdale.org/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/295
scroll down it will be on your left under Capri pizza and deli.

I believe his father is the one mentioned here in this case, Pete may have been his grandfather.

https://openjurist.org/772/f2d/1314/united-states-of-america-v-paul-dicaro


Here is one of the taps.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-outfit-violence-threats-met-20160203-story.html
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 05:12 PM

@ slick I was referring to his relative. I think there was a rush street or grand Avenue crew member named Pete Gallichio.

To elaborate on ChiTowns mention of the zip cocaine ring in itasca/addison:

http://www.ipsn.org/rosemont/hearing_details_fbi_casino_mob.htm
Posted By: DB

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 06:30 PM

Chinaman, not doubting you but what's the reasoning for having the Outfit more active then Philly , Boston and the Bonnanos ? as I haven't seen any current info about Chicago that I'm aware of at least . Im curious to know what rackets they are still into outside losnsharking and drug robberies.

It's somewhat peculiar for things to be so quite yet activities allegedly so active , they have to be doing business with someone to be active and the neighborhoods are always talking about this scam or that scam that gets out.

The Bonnanos are weaker than the top 3 famalies and are somewhat looked down upon cuz of their mostly blue collar rackets and violent ways but they still have an army of soldiers and associates knee deep in drug trafficking with some major wholesale traffickers in at least Marajuana (1000s of lb level ) and likely much more and probably international and major cigarette tax scams . They also have tens of millions in loans and multiple times that in gambling in the streets plus robbery crews in most boroughs and still a violent involved in brawls , stabbing shootings and murder . Although less they also have some union activity as well .

The outfit are no doubt sharp and secretive but I find it very hard to believe they are more active then the Bonnanos who might not be very powerful but are active as shit in everything and anything with a couple hundred of soldiers and associates scamming every day . I need to hear some legit proof of that to consider it so please share what you can
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 09:24 PM

Originally Posted By: chinaman

To elaborate on ChiTowns mention of the zip cocaine ring in itasca/addison:

http://www.ipsn.org/rosemont/hearing_details_fbi_casino_mob.htm


Some years ago Italian investigators learned that Chicago was among the families who recruited the most Sicilians.
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 10:16 PM

Hollander any articles to share? There are a LOT of zips in the west burbs.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/21/17 10:24 PM

Originally Posted By: chinaman
Hollander any articles to share? There are a LOT of zips in the west burbs.


Not sure if they have it online, a poster from Rome had some interesting reports. But it's all in Italian. frown
Posted By: tt120

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/25/17 09:26 PM

always thought literally everything out there about the post-Vegas Outfit was overblown. their power has always been exaggerated by people online. there hasnt been any big case since family secrets and even that was all decades old shit that got dug up. i never was big on "family rankings" but theyd be at the bottom of the list if you were comparing with NY, Decavalcantes and Philly. maybe even below Boston, in terms of active guys, active scams, and active prospects. sure, you got a lot of rich powerful businessmen in the outfit...but thats all it is... oldtimers who are making money legit or quasi legit coasting off their reputation from 40 years ago
Posted By: chinaman

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 10/26/17 01:32 AM

The Cicero Crew's bankroll alone is worth more than whatever that nj family has on the street. combine all 4 remaining street crews, and your assessment is beyond delusional.
Posted By: doggystyle

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 11/04/17 05:39 PM

In 1959, LIFE Magazine estimated that the Chicago Outfit's revenue constituted 6% of the U.S. national income.

Read this in a article about Tony Accardo. You think that is true?
Posted By: Atothej

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 08/06/20 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by miklo
Do you really think Furio that the Outfit will have a new generation after the departure of the elders who are still in place?


They are %100 still going, select with the members they take that are related though. I cant even remember the guys name now, but he was doing work out in California, he's a cousin of Rudy Fratto, his son is %100 being groomed to join some day. Same with numerous of the La Mantia boys, not even sure whos sons they are, but they are grandsons of Shorty. The Caruso's, more than just Frank Jr. The Di Fronzo next gens seem to all be filling in as associates, taking over their fathers legal rackets, the one who is a criminal may not be mentally stable enough to join, + his drug problems, Joes son. Even the Borselino's with what happened to their father/grandfather, numerous of them through Louis his 2nd eldest are affiliated.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Generation of the Chicago Outfit. - 08/07/20 01:02 AM

Don't know about the new Outfit, but The Outlaws MC are still strong on their home turf.
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