Why do people feel the need to make excuses

For the beating Gotti suffered at the hands of Johnson...

I've read and heard so many people over the yrs all over forums/ here even and youtube etc saying it wasn't a fair fight... Gotti had cancer, he was decade older than the guy, he got clocked by surprise, and now " oh he had cuffs on" etc

Anyone who has ever been street fighting (I grew up fighting from age 14-22) and now I'm registered disabled at 35...yet I still get fools trying to challenge me. And it's always a few vs one me

The time I got jumped by 6-7 Russians for helping my friend, I was recovering from a torn hamstring and hadn't been training for entire yr or more

So my point is- there's NEVER ever a fair fight

Gotti I'm certain enjoyed hurting people as a young man, u telling me he rolled up alone and handed out boxing gloves whilst asking his victim for a medical before they hit it off? Forget about that! He rolled up with Fat Angie, Gene plus Willie boy and beat ya brains out with a bat

People say he was sucker punched, well do u think he sent advance notice when he decide to put 2 behind your ear

For me no excuses Gotti was beaten up because johnson was stronger and younger than him.This is it.Mobsters that on the streets are feared in prison must ask protection from prison gang,the only thing on think for is why the aryans doesn't protect gotti by johnson that is a negro ? For humilite Gotti because don't paid for protection ? Or because understanded that gotti would pay more $$$ to kill Johnson ?
At the end the aryans take the money and don't made the job because Johnson is still alive.

I agree with you Tony, a street fight is almost never a fair fight but from all the stories I've read and heard Gotti was real good with his hands back in the day..

He was fearless and was in a lot of street fights, 1 on 1, during his time with the Rockaway Boys and usually ended up being the winner. That's why he was so respected among his peers I guess..

For some reason Gotti has a lot of fans. No mobster should have "fans" IMO but if you are gonna respect a mobster gotti should not be on that list. Yes he was a tough guy BUT he wasn't fearless. I could name examples of guys he feared. Did he fear Johnson? I don't know but I do know he got his ass kicked fair and square. This happened before he got cancer too so that excuses doesn't hold up.

This post sounds like a way to call yourself a tough guy.

Onto the post, Wasn't Gotti almost 60 and this was a young muscular black man?

I didn't even remember this guys name until you brought it up, yet Gotti is a revered street legend

Nobody cares that he got his ass kicked.

Gotti was a mob boss, this guy was a 2 bit bank robber.

U obviously have trouble reading-
I also said I'm now disabled. Which means I'm the opposite of a tough guy if u can't work that part out

& the people that still try it on me- they're the tough guys so to speak/ not me

"Nobody cares he got his ass kicked"??

It was all over the papers and people are STIlL discussing it decade on.

"I can't remember his name (Johnson)"

And what does that have to do with anything? Your memory loss or lack of reading isn't relevant to subject matter then is it

I agree with blackjack. Gotti was about 60 and the other guy was young and much bigger. I dont want to sound racist but blacks are notorious for going after smaller guys in prison.

ToughTony
Who do you associate with or what kind of environment do you surround yourself in that you get into all these altercations? Kind of wierd.

No disrespect but u and Blackjack are making excuses for Gotti now...yes we know he was 60, yes we know black guys are physically tough. Tell us something we don't know

When he clipped Paul- Paul was unarmed, was 70, diabetic...

When he got Favara kidnapped, that was several guys vs ONE Favara...

U get my drift, enough with the excuses! This ain't no sanctioned boxing match

Ps

I grew up around street gangs that were associated with certain organisations (not that I ever worked for them), a lot of my friends did and ended up In jail. we're going back 20 yrs though. Just an ordinary law abiding family man now. It might strike u as odd that people would start on someone disabled BUT I'm not wheelchair bound or anything

Rather, I have arthritis of the spine and foot. So looking at me, u would still see a normal looking dude who walks abit slower

And when I say people challenge me, I'm referring to the occasional drunk everyone seems to encounter in a bar or the local street thugs that have too much time on their hands...

I certainly don't look for trouble in my physical state.

Im not a gotti fan, im a realist. A large, young, black guy attacking a smaller 60 year old guy is a punk move.
Gotti killing Castallano was a business move and a standard mafia occurrence.
After all these years, i still cant believe people inquire about toughness and street fighting when it comes to the mafia. it was NEVER about that. If some local tough guy who was " good with his hands" posed a problem to a mob guy, he would simply be shot. Pretty simple. You think they have time to care about some dumb ass street fight???
Name one boss that was a street fighter. They can care less about that. They use guys for muscle, they dont need to be " good with their hands". They need to be street smart, have an ability to make money, understand politics, and know when and when not to use violence.
Please dont mention Chin's or Scarfo's boxing careers.. i dont know of any golden glove championships or titles they have. Everyone was a boxer in the 1940's and 50's in inner city hoods.

LOL, agreed, aces. Your line "Name one boss that was a street fighter" will inspire a "Mobsters who were good with their hands" thread in about ten minutes LOL.

Well that's precisely my point

Those who continue to make excuses for Gotti's loss seem to think he was some pro fighter & that it shouldn't have happened

Even Gotti jr says his dad was sucker punched. Nobody sends u notification when they're about to attack

However I'm not sure why the need to distinguish Paul's killing as "business" and the beating as something different

In a prison setting, and IF the AB are to be believed, that' was a business move on their part

Whatever the case, like I've been saying all along. Be it business or prison fight, there are NO rules

lil nick beat him in a fight micky boy punched him in the face prison..nothing wrong with fighting and losing .it is if you dont fight your a dog..

Nicky corozzo had an issue in prison a while back. Trust me, he didnt throw a punch. He merely snapped his finger and the tough guy in question was made an example of.
Is being good with your hands a bad thing? Of course not. Its all about being mentally tough. Anyone can learn to fight but only a few have true mental toughness. Its one of those intangables that very few have innthe grand scheme of things.

If there's such thing as Karma, I doubt it makes exceptions for standard mafia occurrences.

I'm certain after the beatdown Gotti or anyone for that matter would be fearful of another attack.

Especially if Johnson had a shank. Plus, according to that Hack on YouTube, Johnson was a complete lunatic & Gotti didn't have anyone covering his back.

Now I don't mean Gotti was scared to the point he would beg for mercy...and be his bittch

No, not like that. Rather, he is human like us all and fear is one of God given things. Unless Gotti was a complete whack job, but he doesn't strike me as someone who would stand in the middle of a highway & not get scared

Interesting, I remember someone on here saying Mickey boy slapped him once. But didn't know about Lil Nicky

And also interesting- given the fact Gotti wasn't vindictive to the point he would whack them yrs later considering he had the power

Guys like Scarfo would remember that shit 20 yrs on

You sound like a jealous, bitter cry baby from the UK.

Where is memory loss or lack of reading? I don't remember him because he is a nobody. Gotti is renowned. (you probably need to look that word up)

I have memory loss because I forgot about a nobody that no one but you cares about?

LMAO, pathetic.

What a terrible thread full of jealousy and self hate for what you never accomplished in life.

He doesn't.

He is living an internet fantasy and this pathetic thread is the proof.

what a clown.

consider it done lol. and by the way,Gotti looked p*ssed in the picture of him in the prison hospital,after the beating. f*** the AB,they are losers and it was an epic fail for them to knot get revenge on Johnson on Gotti's behalf.the story has changed 1,000 times,who knows what's realy true,whether the AB extorted Gotti,the AB paid Johnson,or if they were allies with Gotti.in the end,the AB didn't do cr*p to help John Gotti,and that's f***ed up.

Here's what I read...

Gotti was paying protection to AB and during that time loved to call certain blacks ni**ers loud enough for them to hear maybe even right to their faces. One of which being what's his name.

After a while the egomaniac decides not to pay AB anymore.

AB gives a green light for a lil tune up.

Gotti starts paying AB again and gets no more tune ups.

that would make moar sense. you can see how Gotti openly used the N-word in the recorded phone calls during prison visits with his family. i also read that like Gotti used the N-word in the bugged phone calls,that were played during his trial. and that his attorneys thot the tapes would negatively impact the way black jurors saw him.do you think Gotti was friends with the AB? or was he just like paying them protection? do you think the AB set up Gotti to be attacked by Walter Johnson?or do you think Johnson was just a crazy person and attacked him like when the opportunity presented itself? where is Walter Johnson now? when Gotti decided to start paying the AB again,do you think he also offered them money to do a hit on Johnson?why do you think the AB couldnt hit Johnson?i heard he was transferred,but if AB are so like,bad a**,then they shouldve been able to get to him.do you think it makes Gotti look bad or the AB look bad?or neither,or both?what was your reaction when you first heard Gotti was attacked?do you think Gotti was p*ssed?how bad do you think he wanted revenge?what thots do you think were going through his head?what do you think the AB thot after they heard the news?do you think the AB actualy cared about or liked Gotti?or only wanted to use him?

U have memory loss and seem to think just because u FORGoTTEN who Johnson is, that seems to support "your" argument the incident was nothing

Have u even READ thread? Do u have nothing better to do contribute nothing to a thread yet at the same time telling me what a rubbish thread it is

Have u tried the "ignore" route and perhaps your doctor's can advise u NOt click on said thread/ since they have not met your HIGH expectations hahaha

So I'm living a internet fantasy?

And pls ellaborate? How is that may I ask.

U are the ONE that is making excuses for Gotti's beatdown NOT me kid

Did that touch a nerve- u seem to be a big Gotti fanboy despite trying to act like
your not

Who cares he was a legend on the streets, he got beat in jail (nothing against that)nobody is superman but clowns like u seem to think he's a pro fighter "ohhh he was 60 and Johnson was much bigger/younger" thank u captain OBVioUS (your brain cells have contributed to this brainless thread ) haha

Walter Johnson is dead. I think the cops shot him some years ago.

After the incident Walter was scared as fuck. To make up for it he gave Gotti a pair of expensive Nike sneakers, in prison that's basically the most expensive thing he owned, so it means something. After that he got out and the way I remember he was killed by the cops in some attempted robbery.

and as I predicted a new thread was started regarding mobster's fighting skills....

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=920023&gonew=1#UNREAD

Regarding Gotti's use of the " N" word, it was used a lot by many people and especially gangsters in Italian hoods. Most Italian hoods were destroyed by blacks . Back in the day, Italians felt they had to protect their neighborhoods..
If an Italian walked into a black hood, he would have a serious problem. It was 2 sided. That said, by all accounts, Gotti had no problem with blacks, he just used the word a lot. Using that word doesnt mean you are a racist,

i suggest you watch gottis jail tapes and tell me he isnt racist. Obviously he wouldnt say that to their faces because he knew he would get the shit kicked out of him

I have no idea why people have turned the word nig--r into the worst possible thing you can say in the whole fucking world.

Watch any movie that originally had that word in it and its always bleeped out.
In movies like Goodfellas, and the Godfather they leave in the words "ginny" and 'mick" but no, nobody can hear you say "the N word" as all the assholes on TV now call it.

Where I grew up everybody was "something". A ginny, sp*c, pollack, redneck, k*ke and yeah nig--r too. Its just the way we all talked, no big deal.

People like to say that the N word conjures up images of hangings etc. But lets not forget that the worst mass hanging by a vigilante group was in New Orleans when they hung all those Sicilians who they thought killed a police captain.

The way things are now, if the Pope was overheard saying the N word he'd have to make a public apology on TV, Go on a late night talk show and explain how much he really loves black people. Then after all that they would force him to resign as Pope.....

Sal "the wop"

gotti was a good man. its true that many mobsters are thugs but id say 90% of them are good decent people. gotti was a real alpha male. iwish we had more men like gotti today. the gotti beating was all nonsense. john wasn't hurt.

blacks are the thugs i soo agree. italian mob guys are gentlemen for the most part.

"Gotti was a good man"......LOL

You don't become a soldier or a capo by being a decent person.

The Aronwald, Kubecka, Barstow and Hatcher families might have a different idea of what constitutes a decent person.

Moe happens to be right....

None of these guys are decent or good people.....they're criminals, killers, etc.

many associates are bad apples and a lot of young idiots tryin to prove themselves. the roy demeos, the henry hills, the tommy desimones..all bad sure..but made guys are almost always gentlemen. gotti helped a lot of people in howard beach. he paid for college for those who couldnt afford it, he paid hospital bills, mortgages, so much good he did. stop being so negative all the time.

many people in the street are bad people no question about it. but made guys are usually nice people. john gotti was a sweetheart.

He had his neighbour, who wasn't in the life, murdered.

are you a father moe? imagine if some drunk loser ran over your child. john did what any man would do if they could get away with it

Favara wasn't drunk. Favara worked for a living. Gotti was a deadbeat drunk and gambler who never worked an honest day in his life and barely ever woke before noon.

Witnesses said it was an unfortunate accident; it was proven that he was not speeding, nor was he drunk.

are you serious? It was proven that he wasnt drunk or reckless...it was a tragic accident. Look i cant stop you from being a Gotti a fanboy but at least be factual

Is not waking up before noon a bad thing? Oh no...

Let me just say that they can be very nice, great tippers and all that. But I have seen some of these guys turn on a dime, especially with stupid mob infatuated women.

You can be working for them and everything is going great. They are stuffing money in your shirt pocket, that is until you do one little thing that rubs them the wrong way.

Here is a true story, and I will use real names because the guy is dead and this happened many years ago....

I was working in a club called "P.G Doogies" the owner was a low level mobbed up guy named Patsy Santanello. The place was jammed with pinky rings all night.
The band was on a break one night when Patsy heard that the drumer was next door having a cup of chili at Wendys. First off, the breaks are short so there is no time to order from the kitchen, secondly this place doesn't serve chili.
You should have seen this Patsy flip out because this guy had the nerve to eat at Wendys. He screamed at all of us, "you gonna spend money? you spend it HERE motherfuckers!!!"
Then he fired the whole band cause this poor guy had a cup of chili at Wendy's.

I haven't eaten at a Wendy's since...lol

Look I like goodfellas and sopranos as much as the next guy but these people are human garbage.

Sometimes do some of them do nice things? Sure maybe. But what do they do the other 354 days of the year that gives them the means to do those nice things? Exactly.