Can Anyone put together a new Philly chart

We all have seen the same ones over n over. It be nice if Narducci members were added,New Made Guys,anything new

Good call!!!!!

I'm excited to see this,

My guess:

Boss: Skinny Joey
Acting Boss/Street Boss: Uncle Joe Ligambi
Underboss: Steve Mazzone
Consigliere: George Borgessi/Chickie Ciancaglini/Unknown
Captain: Mikey Lance
Captain: Scoops (N. Jersey)
Captain: John Ciancaglini
Captain: ???
Captain: ???

Chickie Narducci's been dead since 1982....I think u meant Chickie Ciangalini.

I think Philly is being ran like the Chicago mafia, each capo have greater power over their crew and crews are encouraged not to do business with each other with merlino on top pulling the strings.

Godfather: merlino
Co-street boss:ligambi & narducci
Co-underboss:mazzone & lance
Co- consig:the changs
Everyone in the admin is allowed to have their own crew in my opinion

I believe lucibello is the sleeper in that organization

Yeah, too many beers. Thanks. I will correct.

I agree with you. The "family" is a bunch of equals. No need to fight and kill each other over a small pie anyway. Most of these guys have spent 5+ years in prison. Why go back?

All these co positions..haha like a regal gangster version of the UN... Seems unlikely

Good call.. anyone know what Gaetons rank is in the organization? He's gotta be a skipper no? Wonder if he resumed his activities in Bucks Co out by me? Any insight?

I don't think anyone will know til there's another major RICO trial. It would have to have ppl like Mazzone,Ligambi,n other higher ups

This is what makes the Philly Family so interesting. What is Gaetons rant? What is George Borgesi's rank actually>? What about Marty Angelina?

There are a lot of players in Philly.

So i was in s philly killing time before a court hearing downtown and decided to drive to Passyunk and sitting outside of Stogie Joes is Chickie Ciancaglini, Joyj Ciancaglini. Phil Ligambi, And John Bongiovanni( im about 75% sure it was him based on the above pic, but i know dick about him he could be in the can for all i know).. and Joe Pungitore was getting up and walking away as I stipped at the light on 12th

So me bein the mob fanboy i pulled over and creeped on them.. some smokin hot Italian brunette in yoga pants stopped by w her baby and Chickie is tickling and baby talking w the kid.. funny to see this underboss and killer baby talking obviously i know they're regular people... anyway back to my riveting story I noticed about half a block back on Passyunk there was a blue panel van w two guys in it staring at them.. So i circled back around and came down Passyunk again and stopped next to the fan for a second, guy looks at me and hes got the clear earpiece that feds use... as i drive past Stogie Joes again I brought my phone up to take a pic of Chickie in his guinea big wrap around gucci shades lol, he noticee me doin it and mouthed very clearly to me "fuck you"... so his son turns around bc hes sitting w his back to the street and gives me the finger! Lol

I so wish i got this shit on tape it was the coolest moment of my sad life short of the birth of my daughter lol... oh and when I came by the first time Chickie and Ligambi were pointing at the Fed van so they def saw it

So thats my insanely interesting tale of getting told to fuck myself by both the acting underboss and official underboss of the Philly lcn.. perhaps I shoulda shared this whale of a tale in the "real life encounters e wise guys thread", but o well

And before any keyboard gangster says this story is lame or why are u stalking mob guys save it.. these dummies are out in public and were all mob fanboys and girls otherwise why are we here

I bet Chickie is nailing the chick in the yoga pants.

He looks like one of those guys who is hung like an elk.

You can tell.

@ MikeyBalls

That was a great story my man! Thanks for sharing.

@ Moe

Honestly is that a joke? That is very bizarre. Why even post something like that.

Primo- no problem buddy, happy to share. I honestly wish i had been able to snap a pic of Chickie bc he looks right out of central casting w the slickback hair and the track suit

Moe- haha i know my friend moes just bein goofy thats why he posted that, oddly no homo here but i get what u mean about Chickie hes got that swagger like hes got a 10 imch piece..either that or he has the swagger of a killer lol... Idk if Chickie or any of the mob guys coulda got this broad she was smoking hot, but i digress

Side note: watching these guys talk they fit the typical Italian stereotype using their hands a lot and gesticulating...it was odd to see on a Wednesday At noon these well dressed guys sitting out front of a bar and none of them work... reminds me of The Sopranos when theyd all be sitting outside Satriales and Paulie Walnuts whips out his suntan shield thing to catch some rays lol

That's funny Mikey. Yeah Chickie is always there. Actually, if you look at Google Streets you can even see him and Eddie Wags and I think even Johnny Chang hanging and sitting outside. Stogie Joe's used to be the same building as the Scarfo era clubhouse commonly referred to as the "Moore & Camac clubhouse" so either they own the building through straw people/silent partners or they just really like that corner/location because they've been hanging there for years. Salvie and Joe Punge also had a club above Stogie Joe's (when it was a Plumbing supply store). Anyways, that's wild about the FBI van. Can't say I'm too surprised though. I bet they take walks whenever they really need to discuss business. What also caught my eye was Joe Pung leaving as you were pulling up. Confirms what we've being saying about him falling in line to the current admin. Also, John bongiovanni died a couple months ago so must have been someone else.

I was in there in the beginning of the summer and both Chickie and Johnny were in there. You try not to get caught staring, but hard knowing your surrounded by killers. As mentioned above Johnny Bongs died recently.

Dude, why didnt u go in 4 a quick beer or something 7 sit within earshot?...shit, I might have just politely asked chick 4 an autograph & told him my old man was a Keebler (cookie) union guy that was friendly w/ Angie B.,,whats the worst that can happen ,they tell u 2 "scram kid",they r not gonna hurt a civilian....anyways mikey,great story.wish i was w/ u!

How's Joey Chang holding up these days?

I bet they thought you were a Fed

Also taking a Wild stab here, Dom Grande recently had a baby with an absolute SMOKESHOW brunette- wonder if possibly it was Dom's baby mama and kid.....

I've no problem acknowledging a dude who is good looking.

Dom Grande looks like someone who was picked last at sports and got wedgies on the reg.

Moe moe moe....

At least this guy got up before dawn every day to open that diner with Lucibello's wife. They aren't all lazy bums!

Though, Lancellotti had to get up early to whack him too so that kinda negates my point.

Anyone ever noticed the kind of "Liberace", " wide eyed happy boy look" that Steve Mazzone has in almost all his photographs ???

No, I'm not going to say the actual word , nor would I say it to his face if I ever met him. I really don't know anything about the guy. He could have killed more guys than cancer for all I know.

Skinny Joey, Ligambi, Bruno, lady killer Sal Testa and all those other guys have that "serious look of a killer" in their eyes.

Handsome Stevie always looks like he can't wait to rush over to the mall and do a little shopping.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.......

I know exactly what u mean..Borgesi on the other hand looks like a ghostly autistic methcase..very strange..& whats w/ the eternal baseball cap?(Im not funning autism,my grandchild has aspergers).

Haha Hoodlum my man, i gotta admit i was intimidated to go in..plus i didnt have any cash and I could see those guys at that joint ripping off my cc#.... ill admit tho Chickie looked badass for a what 75 yr old man. Wish u had been w me my dude coulda used ur street connections and it didnt help I was in a full suit looking like a total lawyer/fed

Salvii its funny you say that, i was thinking the exact same thing especially with some of the recent pics of Stevie where he absolutely looks like he got some work done and w the tan, tight shirts, muscles, if i was a gay dude hed be my philly mob man crush lol

Dante my friend thats a good tidbit of info and based on the way Chickie and Phil Ligambi were fawning over this chick and her baby ya might be right...she was sexy as shit tho madonee

Phl mob- thats good insight pal, thanks for sharing that i had no idea that was the same spot!... i bet they still have a piece of that place and for anyone who hasn't been down East Passyunk in a while it's becoming very gentrified and built up nice..

@moe- lol you never disappoint my man... interesting point about Mikey Lance. I always ask about him bc the guy has been on the street uninterrupted by LE for what 20 +yrs he has to be the richest most powerful skipper in S Philadelphia no? Any Philly posters have recent insight or info on him? His bro is fascinating too being the lone made man who lives and ostensibly operates in Wilmington,DE where I work. Just on my own knowledge every major bank and corporation has a office there for tax purposes and my firm is therr as well, my point being theres a lot of wealthy execs and corporate officials who i can guarantee like to bet and play poker so Id venture a guess that hes kicking up a decent amount to his bro.. pure speculation but if anyone has more insight be interesting to hear

Al Cats Lancelotti is Mikey Lance's Nephew. He is Mikey Lance's older brother Al's son....

I understand..U as a lawyer must own some serious threads.Chickie would have been wary of that..clothes make a man sometimes,,U & I should go down there sometime & just act normal in street ware..when we are @ the right time (I can get somebody 2 (nurse) 2 look over my aunt,, we will get together via pm.....hope is all well w/ ur daughter...God bless u my man.

Mickey's Nephew. Only an associate who runs some floating games in the city. It is close Pennsylvania and New Jersey, that there has been rumors of guys connected to New York and New Jersey families located there or near there. Most of those guys usually will go to Atlantic City or Las Vegas, but yeah there use to be a Gambino associate of the Gambino family that dealt in Cocaine during the 1980's and early 1990's. Many of those guys pulled long hours, so they bought drugs to keep them awake.

Bullshit...I was down there in in those days...Phil L. would not hear of any of that shit!!!not 2 mention that everything was falling apart right about that period..I was told what was my priorities back then & NOBODY near me was doin' dope.

Dummies huh?

But I bet you never set foot in Stogie Joes...

What's the best thing to have on their menu?

Cos I'm going to Philadelphia soon.

For your taste buds it would be the cock meat sandwich.

I respect ur posts..please.. sshhhh

Step back in time and go to 13th and Jackson (think it's the address)Nicks roast beef and pork and if it still like it was back in the day you will see some characters .

Not doubting the whole stogie joes story..but am doubting the pung identification , doubt he was there...for a few reasons..number ONE chick has paper, it Johnny kind of keeps a close eye so chick don't get put in bad positions with it...and also doubting joey Chang gave u the finger , u probably mean Johnny...dummies out in a public..? Like are they suppose to stay in, like vampires or something, confused by that part of your statement ..almost as confused at the Feds watching the people u named, but whatever...

Feds r probably watching that joint 24/7..y would mikey bullshit..he's got enough bullshit in his professional career..wtf??

Where in my post did I say he was bullshitting? Point it out , cuz maybe I can't fuckin read so well...what I said is he misidentified joe pung, and joey for Johnny Chang, that's all, didn't say he bullshitted, so read again before u accuse...and the fact the Feds are watching the joint is precisely why I feel pung and chick were not in that vicinity together....nice of you to back your boy up, but I wasn't trying to say he was bullshitting, just said he was mistaken, that's all...my fed comment wasn't doubting him, I'm questioning why they would an 80 something year old man hang on the corner

Hoodlum my friend thanks for the kind words, my little girls doin much better.. if i get back up in the city id love to go down there not dressed like a lawyer and grab a beer, hope ur aunts hangin in there.. appreciate you havin my back buddy

Blackjack: i called them dummies bc theyre made men in the mob hanging out outside together and whether they're discussing the weather or shylocking being seen together in pics is always used as evidence of an ongoing racketeering conspiracy, so to me thats not smart.. lol if i offended you by calling wise guys "dummies" then my sincerest apologies pal

Biggie- yes you're right I incorrectly wrote Joey, i meant Johnny Chang the one who is still active and allegedly the acting UB. I see your point about Joey Punge and i dont think Hoodlum meant any disrespect havin my back hes good people. I am by no means an oc expert, never claim to be even on Philly and im from here (outside city that is). But the guy walking away looked like Punge based on that video clip of him doin home remodeling from an older mob talk, i could absolutely be wrong and your point is well taken.. i did mis identity that Bongiovanni guy whos dead lol so im no expert

As far as the van i saw being the feds, im pretty positive it was. And like i said I saw Chickie, his son Johnny and Phil Ligambi, so it's entirely possible they're watching a known hangout in S phil(there arent many left) where there was the UB, acting UB, and Phil Ligambi is made man and who know maybe a skipper. But regardless I thought id report what i saw bc to a mob geek like me whos never had any real interraction w wiseguys it was an interesting little story killing time on a weekday, if ya doubt my story or whatever idk what to tell ya

Moe ive never been there , but I seriously doubt theyre known for their cuisine. I do kniw Serps place he mentioned is great and u gotta get a cheesesteak since ur comin to philly for the first time, .. also Da Nics makes a great roast pork. Hope ur doin well my friend

Mikey, again ill say it, I dont doubt your story nor did at any time i say i did,I doubt your identification of pung because as i stated, chick has paper and johnny is pretty diligent about keeping his dad out of positions that can hurt him. And i doubted joey was the one who gave u the finger, which u confirmed it... and I get why, but I just don't think the feds watching guys in their 80s or approaching their 80s hang on the corner is good use of tax money in this day and age...what I'm saying is they aren't gonna see chick start a crap game on passyunk...i disagree with some of the people positioning on the chart, johnny, chick and Phil but that's just my opinion on it nothing more nothing less...

Biggie- its all good my man, i didnt take any of ur comments as an insult or you calling bullshit on my story pal, no worries...what u said about joey punge makes total sense and you're pry right i pry mis identified him. Question though is Chickie still on paper? I thought he just did what 90% of his time so when he was released he was free of aNy restrictions? Just wondering is all, i could be way off. Im an attorney, but i do real estate law not criminal law soi may sound like a total dickhead

Haha i agree bro chickie isnt gonna break out a dice game on passyunk, but eith that dsid do u think the feds are just posted up outside a known mob hangout and i mean regardless oftheir positiion, Phil ligambi, Chickie and johnny chang are all made men in the mafia. Wouldn't u think itd make some sense the cops are watching them? I respect your knowledge and opinions my friend, just spitballing here bc i am 100% sure the two guys in the van were there watching them and i saw that clear earpiece wire.. do u think maybe it wasn't feds, but State Police, philly oc division or DA investigation?

I agree and think it was LE..not sure on one of those guys being made, 2 def....but in either event, I get why they would...it just seems we have bigger fish to fry in this country, is my point...but I understand..they have a job to do...I believe chich has 4 more months paper, could be wrong, but I know he didn't wrap up with no paper, that's a fact

What's the latest news on my guy faffy?

They out at the oregon diner every now and again, i was at the wells fargo bank over there and they all rolling out of their in a couple nice rides and i could have sworn borgesis chit chattin with a dude in a van that could have been the feds, or just a friend, he was a lil animated

I have heard there is a strong law enforcement presence around the Stogie joes area.

Thanks for the food recommendations, guys.

And I love me some cheesesteaks.

"cockmeat sandwich"

BlacJack, that is funny as anything I've ever heard. I'm laughing so hard right now my stomach hurts.

"Give me a cockmeat wit, on a roll"

LMAO

Sal