Biggest Douchebag Made Man of All Time

Starting this from another thread....

My vote on biggest douchebag made man of all time is Bill Bonanno. He was always being interviewed and talked about "mafioso" and Sicily. In reality, he was a spoiled rich kid who rode his dad's coat tails to be a made man. He also looked like a total wimp.

A close 2nd would be Junior Gotti. He's a twitchy, blinky, irritating guy who would be ZERO without his dad. He lied about the proffer session until John Alite's book proved him a liar. If it wasn't for his dad being Boss, he would probably be working at Walmart.

Hard to argue with your top two choices...Agreed, both are very annoying and without their father's would be nobody's !!

I don't know about the biggest but from what read and know, Tony boy boiardo, the boots son was not well liked or respected. Only tolerated because of his dad.

actually laughed out loud when I saw the title of this thread. I love it.

IDK about the BIGGEST of ALL-TIME but a few that come to mind...

Tommy D. was supposed to be a pretty big scumbag. Was a noted rapist and a general loose cannon. Ran with some killers and junkies, was never seemingly respected or liked just feared for his temper.

Tony Mirra is another one. Maybe not as high profile a choice as you may have hoped for but Mirra was truly despised. The guy earned very well when he was on the outside, that being said he openly as unwelcome as anyone could be in the mafia while still being involved.

I've always said Casso just because of how unnecessary it was to double cross everyone who worked under him while he was on the run out of pure paranoia. Chiodo was never gonna rat, D'Arco was never gonna rat. I think having Eppolito and Carracappa was a double edged sword that saved his life a few times but definitely got in his way in several others.

Sam DeStefano is another one. Quality throwback Chicago guy who was an animal. Killed his own brother when it could have been worked out otherwise. Kidnapped the first black guy he saw on the street after an argument with his wife and brought him home to rape his wife at gunpoint.
Was a noted psycho and not well reputed on the streets. After he was killed even for being one of the top earners of his time, his funeral was scarcely attended.

Frank Schweis is another Chicago guy from the next era after DeStefano. He was an actual monster.Killed everything that moved, was the most feared guy in Chicago for decades. Whenever a racket was restructured, Schweis would handle logistics and he was absolutely one of the best ever at that. Not sure anyone terrified people quicker when they walked into a room in Chicago for about a 50 year period.

Greg DePalma and Junior Got Jr.

Roy DeMeo, Vito Genovese.

Henry hill

Way to many !!!

You mean Craig DePalma?

Agree about Genovese but it's hard to see Roy as just a "douchebag" Having read both Murder Machine and Albert DeMeo's book, I'm inclined to believe most of Albert's stuff compared to most of Dom Montiglio's. He's a lot more believable. I know it's his dad, I'm not saying he's not biased, but Montiglio was hardly a player and you can tell he wants to blame as much stuff on Roy as possible, always trying to darken his already pitch-black character. I do believe Roy did at least half of the stuff claimed on Murder Machine, but I also am inclined to believe Albert on some other stuff, his human side, etc.. and apparently Roy was very generous.

Guy's from other family's hated Genovese for the same reason so many hated Bonnanno..because they had big balls...They were loved by their own guys !!

Desimone seemed to be very well liked by his friends as well, no matter how crazy !!

And one last thing Genovese, he might have been hated, but he was respected which clowns like Jr. Gotti and Bonanno jr. weren't !!

I chose Genovese because he had a guy (who was apparently not involved in the mob) whacked because he liked the guy's wife. And I chose DeMeo because they killed innocent people including a young girl. I agree about Montiglio, though, I can't believe he was around that crew and never got his hands dirty. He was probably up to his neck in blood like the rest of them.

I will go out on a limb here and say Genovese was not the brilliant boss he is made out to be. (Just my opinion, of course) If Vito never made his move and taken over the family, maybe the Appalachin meeting does not happen, and Joe Valachi never flips. Who knows how many years the mob would have been remained a secret like the old days.

Henry was never made, but was a douchebag who lied 90% of the time

I would choose Salvatore Granello (child rapist) and Sam DeStefano (devil worshipper who forced his wife and a random man he took hostage, to have sex).

But for these 2 the word "douchebag" is too weak imo. And reading about DeStefano, if what's written about him is even 30% true, he was probably insane in the full sense of the word imo. Unless he was even better than Gigante in faking craziness, but that hostage episode with forced sex is too much for someone who is just "pretending".

Genovese was likely set up by his own guys and the Bonanno family went through the Banana War towards the end of Bonanno's tenure.

On Vito Genovese.....


We are talking about a guy who ran from a murder, went to Italy. Somehow talks himself into the inner circle of fuckin Mussolini, runs all kinds of drugs and even talks someone into letting him control a bank. When the US comes, he switches sides, Uses the ARMY to run a huge black market. Then comes back to the states, somehow gets ALL his rivals to beat his murder FOR HIM(!!!!??)

Plots the downfall of the boss for ten years... And wins?!!

If not for the ego, I think he is actually criminally underrated ( pun intended!!)

Saying Genovese wasn't smart is very naive. He was a piece of shit for sure, but a consummate criminal his whole career. I think it was the writer of Mob Summitt, or maybe Douglas Valentine described him as " the smartest of the bosses in NY"....( personally I would say Luchesse..)

Everything you said is true CG, but like someone else already pointed out, we can't deny that Genovese arguably did the most damage to the LCN out of all the old bosses. Without him Apalachin and Valachi's testimony, the two most revealing and damaging things ever to happen to the organization, would not have happened.

Him too. As you know Malandrino Craig had no business being in the Mob and Greg was a much hated guy for squeezing and belittling people and of course, running his big mouth. Best description I ever heard of him was, "He was the Typhoid Mary of the Mob"

Those are valid points. I don't think Vito Genovese was stupid, not at all.I could have worded my post above better. I think he was power hungry, underboss wasn't enough for him, he wanted it all. In the end, what did it get him? He died in jail.

I've heard from people who knew him that Robert "Cabert" Bisaccia was despised. He would just take other players money at card games when they were winning. They said that all of Silver Lake hated him.

Majicrat is spot on with Tony Boy

How about jr gotti beating up non mobster kids when him and his friends youse to go out to clubs during his 20s

Greg DePalma...good vote. He is up there in my Top 3. He was a loud mouth and he even irritated my #2 Douchebag Junior Gotti. DePalma annoyed Paul Castellano, Nino Gaggi, Junior Gotti and the FBI Agent Juaquin Garcia. DePalma would shoplift little stuff. He was loud and annoying. He's a classic D-Bag.

Good call.

Let me throw out my #4 Douchebag: Skinny Joey Merlino. He stole from Scarfo and Leonetti. Phil wanted to kill him. Skinny Joey brings heat everywhere he goes. Stanfa hated him and wanted him dead. Skinny Joey doesn't pay his debts and is a deadbeat. He robbed his accomplices in the armored car heist. He "made" guys just for money. Every cop and fed wants to nail his ass. He takes pictures and posts them on Instagram. He drives a Rolls Royce and wears shorts. Didn't someone say he was wearing pink or light blue slacks recently? Very douchey.

Let's not forget he has a smirk and a face you just want to punch for no other reason that he's a Douchebag. You gotta admit he's a douchebag. He walks around with a neon sign above his head that read "Douchebag Gangster."

1 jr. gotti, biggest nothing in all mob history.........

2 henry hill, liar, junkie, snitch

3 joey gallo, nothing but a pain in the ass, to everyone in the

mob, big loser. lied about being on the anastasia hit,

The fact that my post with "Biggest Douchebag" hasn't been removed is a win. I guess the GangsterBB snitches must all be on vacation together.

@Billybrizzi

After seeing Granellos name in here, Ima have to reconsider my stance on Genovese....

He woulda let a child molester run the family, this pretty much disqualifies ANY praise for his so called IQ........

@ryan

The merlino post made my morning, had me dying, lol good shit..

@binnie @ Ryan

Good list...

Joe Pesci was friends with Bobby cabert and his acting in goodfellas was based on him,especially the I am here to Amuse you scene.

Pillano you are right on..pesci looked up to bobby how dente claimed him is strange

Genovese was likely set up by exiled members of the family..And they went after Bonnanno's dopey son, not him !!

I would say Tony bender had is ear bent aswell..Bill bonanno was no soft child.He did have the silver spoon past to him but he also clipped guys and done a lot of time.He also protected one of the all time old school godfathers into old age.Bill went to sleep knowing and doing a lot more than anyone on the streets today.

I will give you that on Bill Bonanno. He did his time. Junior Gotti did his time too. He just always felt very fake to me. Bill Bonanno seemed like a country club kid when put on his gangster hat and tried to live a street life. Maybe I'm wrong...but I do see your point.

I would say previte and veasey but i dont care what they said on the stand and to the feds they were never inducted.

Natale..banging his daughters friend..walking around like he was don fanucci..epitome of a douchebag...

PMAC - John Veasey was never inducted either? I usually think I know my LCN shit. Your comments on Previte and Veasey are new to me. At the same time, I don't remember hearing about their induction ceremony. So I guess what you are saying makes sense. Both were debriefed by FBI and their stories are well told. I don't remember the making ceremony. Damn...

He probably only ended up in the life because of the Sicilian tradition of sons following their fathers into the mob.

Tommy Gambino would be another. I'm not calling him a douche, he's probably a gentleman but there's no way he winds up in the mob if he wasn't the son of Carlo.

Bright guy, private education, college degree.

Granello never ran the Genovese, I think it was rumored that he was a candidate to take over the family after Genovese passed away. I do think that it is interesting that the two families considered to be the most elite, the Genovese (Granello) and Chicago (DeStefano) had two of the biggest sickos/sociopaths in the history of OC as members. It just goes to show that as long as you are a huge earner, which they both were, you will be protected, until you become too much of a liability, in which case you will die a very painful death.

As an example of how ruthless these guys can be, look at what Gerry Catena, one of the wealthiest mobsters ever, and greatly respected, had done to a bunch of innocent civilians because a grocery store would not stock a type of beach that he wanted to be on the shelves:

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2016/08/when-mafia-took-supermarket-to-war.html

Absolutely horrible, and this guy was considered to be level headed and relatively restrained compared to guys like Anastasia, Capone, Genovese, Giancana, etc. Just about all of these guys are horrible people who will stop at nothing to get what they want.

Tommy Gambino is not a douche. More gentleman and not a street guy.

George Borgesi

Merlino's laye father Chuckie

He was a drunk that would go to meet other families and hit on their wags

I thought it was pretty well accepted that Veasey and Fillipelli got inducted at the same time. Veasey's testimony about it seems pretty legitimate.

Sammy Gravano.

So instead of boss of bosses otsbpiece if shits of piece of shits?

Every fucking one of em, how's that?

Fuckin autocorrect

I'm with Ryan98366 in saying Bill Bonanno is the biggest douchebag. Just something about him. I couldn't even finish "Honor Thy Father" because of all the douchebaggery.

As far as Genovese is concerned, he was a despicable human being, but a great criminal. Made two HUGE blunders, but overall a pretty successful criminal career.

@ JC

That was a great post on Gerry Catena. He's one of those guys I find MUCH more interesting than the guys we usually hear about.

I find it kind of funny, like you say the Genovese are supposed to be, like, the "sophisticated gentleman"... Lol, To me they have always been the snakiest family, with as many nut jobs as anyone.

Contrast Catena move on the supermarket chain with how Paul Castellano went about it. Paul actually make this seem like amateur hour shit.
Same thing, Catena has his bleach, or what ever. But no Union clout there, so no leverage with the supermarket. Castellano had his meat companies, but meat falls under the jurisdiction of the unions, cause it has to be trucked in. So Pauls move on the supermarkets was much more sophisticated.




Edit; Another example is Ettore Zappi, look at how he puts together his " Matress racket". ....

https://books.google.com/books?id=jgCpxT...ses&f=false

Just much more sophistication.....





I've never really bought into the generally accepted truths that the Genovese are a bunch of white collar gentlemen. The whole family is based on wholesale extortion of NYC, that takes a hell of a lot of fear, more than business acumen....


Also,most of Catena wealth was from coin machines, I'm pretty positive he was partners with the Outfit on a lot of those operations.....

I thought so too! PMAC is a good poster in here and I like his stuff. I think Previte and Veasey were made members. I don't know now....

Catena also had a lot of ton of legitimate interests in things like Standard Oil, Hellman's Mayonaise, etc. The Genovese also had plenty of union clout, some were different unions than those where the Gambinos had interests. My point is that as relatively sophisticated and intelligent as Catena was, he was at his core a violent man, as at the time particularly you could not get to where he was in that line of work without a violent streak. Just about all of those guys were and are the same, greedy and violent. That is why guys like Granello and DeStefano hung around for as long as they did, they were big earners. Guys like Catena and Accardo really did not care where the money came from, as long as it kept coming.

As for Castellano, yes he was considered to be a smart businessman, but he also could be vindictive and violent. From what I remember he had a friend of his daughter's killed because it got back to him that the kid said that he looked like Frank Perdue. He couldn't have let that go, or at most had some one give the kid a beating? As horrible as what Catena was with the supermarket workers, at least there was some business reason for his actions. What was Castellano's excuse?

had to be greg scarpa. hands down, a snitch for 3o yrs, and a murdering dog.

This is a great answer. Natale is the damn worst. Completely full of shit and delusional

Always laugh when Natale is on the news... he's so funny. You know that shit rat Dominick Cicale, Vinny Gorgeous's pet? I think Natale is just as bad as him. A friend knows I like mob books and saw Natale's book and was about to gift it to me... I basically told her she couldn't have picked a worse one. lol.


The funny shit he says like he knows where Hoffa is, and he got made by rubbing blood with Bruno and Don Carlo... fucking fairytales, unbelievable. Oh and give him and gun and send him to ISIS cause he'll take care of them too. And the funniest thing ever is that he's a fucking rat too! This would all be hilarious even if he wasn't a rat, but the fact that he is makes it 10x funnier! I must admit though he is healthy and in shape for a 82 year old.

Co-signed, the way he tells the stories with those 2 remaining teeth in his mouth makes it even funnier.
He reminds me of Gargamel, the Smurfs' eternal nemesis..

Wow...you convinced me. Natale is a huge douchebag. He's dumb book raises his douchebag level by 10. I gotta put Natale at #2 on my list behind Bill Bonanno. He's worse than Junior "Blinky" Gotti.

Quality throwback Chicago guy who was an animal. Killed his own brother when it could have been worked out otherwise. Kidnapped the first black guy he saw on the street after an argument with his wife and brought him home to rape his wife at gunpoint

lol that fucker was interested in that, it goes on more than folk think.wife probably always said no

Little Dom Cataldo... feared hitman and good moneymaker, in the late 1970s he started getting heavy into coke and getting more and more paranoid. Sal Polisi and Joe Dogs Iannuzzi both tell of a story he told where he was going to bury a body and he asked an associate for help, went upstate where he had previously buried dozens of other bodies, and while burying the body he and his associate, who's standing over the open grave, Dom asks him to check the victim's pockets for a wallet, ID and cash which he does and gives it to Dom. Dom thanks him and shoots him behind the head. He would tell this story to the guys and laugh like a maniac.

According to them Dom had whacked over two dozen people at the very least. He's also been suspected in whacking Gerard Pappa.

How about Angelo Ruggerio?

Anyone who got tapped, he seemed to end up on the tapes. couldnt keep his mouth shut at all. Got DB killed, even though the guy was no threat to him.

demanded he be underboss, even though he clearly wasnt admin material, then mouths off to the judge who COULDA given him bail, disqualifying him for the position he was making so much noise for, and at the same time time depriving Gotti of a trusted guy on the outside.

Tried to hit Casso, (which was in my opinion, out of his league..) over drugs, (which he was a newcomer to, and not even supposed to be doing..) RIGHT before casso is made underboss, and
he basically has the chins ear, the chief rival of Gotti.

Self proclaimed brokester , i quote, " My brother Sal, he MADE me make money.."

i feel like im forgetting some things, but it seems if it wernt for Gotti and Dellacroce, he woulda been dead, probably never even made. OH i forgot, he wouldnt give up the tapes, so therte is that too....

Tony Bananas? I know he was actually a very capable guy, but getting played like that? He set a chain of events in place that deprived that family of a large portion of its talent pool.

why didnt the guy just work on his rackets, and alliances with Ny and wait for Bruno to pass?

Wasn't a made man, but just look at his mug here. Doesn't get any sneakier and douchy than this

Battista "Benny" Geritano of the Gambino family. I suppose not the biggest of all time and not sure whether he is a made man or an associate but he definitely seems like an arrogant douchbage. Had one of his arraignments delayed after repeatedly attempting to flirt with a clerk and tried to stand as his own lawyer on more than one occasion.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/judg...ticle-1.3195738

http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/mobster-so-focused-on-flirting-with-clerk-he-couldnt-be-arraigned/