People that touched a made guy and lived to tell?

I am not sure if this rule did apply to a non-member getting physical with a made guy OR didnit also apply when a made soldier decided to get physical with a capo?...Let's face it, it anyone touched anyone higher than capo, then are a dead man walking.(Old days of course, things are different now)

But I really wanna hear about some times that two people got physical and it didn't result in a death sentence?

Has anyone got physical, recognized their days were number and tried to make amends with a large cash payment? Essentially buying their life back.

Also, has any lower rank got away with getting physical with ZERO repercussions? Meaning, the higher rank feared their own life ifnthey failed?....I can see Scarpa falling in this category. Also, I wonder why Bruno Indelicato never got repremanded for attempting to whack Gotti on the highway. Maybe Gotti wasn't the official boss then.

Any insights are appreciated.

PATSY ,TORE

carmine tomato got shot did zero..they guy knew who he was..if you don't know a guy is made ..you will beat the punishment ,but you need a good made guy to fight for you

Alex Rudaj's gang apparently used to push around some Lucchese heavyweights. Not sure how true it is, but I think it's according to Jack Falcone.

Rudaj's guy's pulled shotguns on some Gambino's at an attempted sit down. One also pointed a shotgun as a gas tank threatening to kill everyone there. Pretty sure whoever was street boss at the time was there.

http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/albanian-boss-alex-rudaj

Gambino leader Arnold Squitieri had had enough and wanted a talk with these rogue mobsters. The “sit down” took place at a gas station in a rest area near the New Jersey turnpike. Squitieri did not come alone. Twenty armed Gambino mobsters accompanied their boss. Alex Rudaj on the other hand had only managed to bring six members of his crew. According to undercover FBI agent Joaquin Garcia, who infiltrated the Gambino Crime Family during this period, Squitieri told Rudaj that the fun was over and that they should stop expanding their operations. The Albanians and Gambinos then pulled out their weapons. Knowing they were outnumbered the Albanians threatened to blow up the gas station with all of them in it. This ended the discussion, and both groups pulled back.

Rudaj muscled the greeks that payed the Lucchese for protection,he understand that he would touch a made man would be whacked,on the streets and even in prison.

I have.

Angelo Lonardo, who eventually became the underboss of Cleveland, got away with killing a boss before he was even made! Crazy shit. Also crazy that a mob boss was also a practicing doctor by the sound of it.

"In the 1930s, my cousin, John Demarco, and I murdered Dr. Romano, the former boss of Cleveland, because Romano had a role in the death of my father, and we believe that he killed our cousin on the operating table. At the time, I was not a member of the LCN, but Demarco was. As a result of the Romano murder, Demarco was condemned to death by the Commission for killing a boss without okaying it with the Commission. I was excused for my part in the murder, since I was not an LCN member and did not know the rules. Later, I attended a meeting with Al Polizzi, the boss of Cleveland, in Miami, Florida. It turned out that this was a Commission meeting and that Polizzi was defending Demarco's murder of Romano. I did not sit in on the meeting, but afterwards, Polizzi told me that he had "straightened out" Demarco's problem with the Commission."
Copied from: http://mafiahistory.us/maf-invl.html#03

In Al D'Arco's book he mentions that his friend Ralph Masucci choked Benny Eggs. This seems kinda unbelievable but it's also mentioned that Masucci went way back with the Chin and when he mentions the incident in the book D'Arco says Masucci never worried about that stuff. He must have been pretty damn tight with the Chin to do shit like that though.

The Chin Gigante shoot Costello,I don't know if the chin was made but I think that with Genovese at his side,the chin don't fear a costello revenge.
The black guy that punched Gotti in prison;sal Miciotta that punched Casso;scarpa jr that punched Amuso and so on.

depalma hitting a made guy in bloomingdals

joe bilotti hitting anthony capo

Has anyone ever touched up a made guy and lived to tell the tale?

"You tell anyone about this and they'll think you're a finook too."

*flicks tongue*

Wow! I read D'Arco's book years ago but must have missed that.

Where did ya see that ?? You have a link ??

it happened on staten island ..no link ..

Joe Colombo got slapped across his face. In public, in front or others. He didn't do anything to retaliate. He just sat there and took it.

Maybe it had something to do with who slapped him - Carlo Gambino.

(True story - it happened in a bar in Brooklyn a few months before Colombo was shot).

George Conte manhandled Salvatore Avellino.

I mentioned the Masucci/Mangano story in another thread.

Anthony Di Lapi supposedly intervened to stop Al D'Arco bullying people in prison, don't think it got physical.

Anthony Casso was beaten up by a mobster in the clink, can't remember his name.

Calo Gambino was slapped by mimi scialo a colombo capo from coney island,scalo was drunk and was killed shortly after in retaliation.

@Furio.

I was told that Mimi was killed because he disrespected Carmine Persico several times and other factors within the Colombo's. Not relating to him slapping Carlo Gambino. Which is true?

Dominick "Mimi" Scialo – a feared and respected soldier of the Colombo family who had control over the vast area of Coney Island. When under the influence of alcohol, Scialo would become very arrogant, loud and disrespectful. One day in October 1974 Scialo was at a popular Italian restaurant where he spotted Carlo Gambino and began to harass him, insulting Gambino in front of others. Gambino stayed calm, as he always was, did not retaliate and did not say a word. Scialo's body was found not long after at Otto's Social Club in South Brooklyn encased in the concrete floor.

As said by Strax,Scialo become violent when was drunk but he was a good earner and in the 1970s I don't that Persico would order to kill a capo "only" for disrespecting him but as I think slap a boss and the Gambino boss was enough, so yes for me scialo was killed because slapped Don Carlo.

Moe,was Sal Miciotta that beated Casso but only because Casso started the fight but Casso without a gun was useless and the big miciotta beated him.

Furio, i think they were both rats at that time

His shooter almost certainly knew who he was. He walked into the Top Tomato store with two Bonanno associates and was looking for Carmine's brother.

sc. youve mentioned that before. whatdo you think about his son anthony who rcently died swears in that book he wrote his father and carlo were best friends had a father son relationship and had nothing to do with his death. i believe carlo set it all up. anthony also says carmine persico was a good friend but i read the family shelved all of colombos kids for trying to start shit .

Very doubtful that Gambino and Joe Colombo were like father/son and best friends. Whether or not Don Carlo had something to do with Joe's death is a good debate.

Yes,they was both in special prison for federal witnesses; I think that Casso start the fight because thinked that because he was an underboss and miciotta a simple soldier,he wouldnt respond to the provocations. Casso thinked bad.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailyne...rticle-1.751210

MOB CANARY HEARS BIRDS SINGING PICKED WRONG FOE FOR PRISON FIGHTJERRY CAPECI JAN 20, 1997 12:00 AM

Anthony (Gaspipe) Casso, one of the city's most lethal gangsters until he turned government songbird, made a billy club out of a rolled-up magazine to carry out a frenzied New Year's Eve attack on another jailed informer, the Daily News has learned. But the magazine didn't prove much of a weapon, and prison guards had to step in and save Casso before his subscription was canceled by his angry 350-pound adversary, Salvatore (Big Sal) Miciotta, sources said. After the fracas, the men, who have been feuding for months, were each placed in solitary confinement to await transfers to other federal prisons with special units for cooperating witnesses, sources said. Casso, the former Luchese underboss, is about 5-foot-8 and 165 pounds. He began cooperating in 1994 but has not yet testified at trial. He has reportedly admitted taking part in 36 slayings and is awaiting sentencing. Miciotta, who has admitted involvement in four homicides, began cooperating a year earlier and has testified several times. He is serving a 14-year sentence. Sources said the fight broke out after dinner as Miciotta, 50, was playing cards with other protected inmates, who are housed separately from prisoners against whom they have testified. Casso, 56, "came up behind Big Sal" on an elevated cellblock walkway carrying a tightly rolled magazine in his hands, leaned through a railing and started beating Miciotta on his head, one source said. "Since this was not a very efficient weapon and Big Sal is a very large man, this did not render Big Sal helpless," he said. Miciotta reached through a walkway railing, grabbed Casso by the shirt, pulled him through the railing, and "beat the daylights out of Gaspipe until the [guards] got him off Gaspipe," he said. "I'm not surprised about the outcome, but I am surprised that Gaspipe started up with Sal," said one law enforcement source. "Without his gun," the source said, "Gaspipe was not a tough guy. Sal could handle himself and towers over him.

" Federal authorities would not comment on the altercation.

Thanks never heard about this.

I heard a theory that once Colombo's thing gained steam, he wanted Joe to use his influence to help Italian mainland mafia members somehow. I assume Joe didn't obey and that is the reason he got whacked..... Reason being, why didn't Don Carlo stop him earlier? Carlo probably had a deal in place to release jailed mainland members if he stopped Colombo's public rising. So Carlo made it look like he didn't want the attention to LCN but secretly had a side scheme already planned.

gambino for sure was behind the shooting of joe columbo, perfect cover for gambino when joey gallo got out of the joint, this way carlo kills two birds with one stone.

Chin gave a bad beating to a made man at a ziginette game prior to his being made. Knowing that this would result in Chin being killed Vito made Chin on that very same night of the beating. Protecting him from any harm. This is why Chin was very loyal to Don Vitone. True Story.

WOW!

he got made without a being approved by the other families?

That sounds dubious. Who told you that?

More then 1 person Raven , my Family has lived downtown westside since 1897 thru today. The made guy that Chin hit was in a different family and would later go on to tutor a young John Gotti. He had a small group in place within this mostly Genovese stronghold of a neighborhood. The story is true. If you doubt it there is no way I can change your thought. This was not the only time Vito interceded on Chins behalf.

For the most part, the rules have always come second to money. I'll bet there have been many cases where an un-made associate with a solid reputation as an earner put his hands on some barely relevant soldier, and got away with it.

Tutor a young John Gotti? So are you not going to reveal whom he hit? I know Gotti was hooked up with the Fatico brothers (Gambino family) before Dellacroce. Was it one of the Factico's?

Unless I am mistaken, 'rules' are bullshit.

No drug dealing?

Sure, as long as we have a 'rule' about 'no bull-shitting' LOL.

according to joe dogs' book,he kicked tommy agro's a**. i think tommy like got him jumped afterwards,but at least joe survived.

Interesting story. Do you know what year all of this happened?

Michael , I do not know the year,

Is that the same story his daughter told where she was hiding under the table and witnessed it?

No not the same story , Chin was young man when this happened. Early 1950"s , his youngest daughter was born almost 20 years later.

That Chin story seems made up to me. They just scheduled a making ceremony for that night? Just like that?

Anything is possible I guess. I've heard stranger things.

It seems to me that if this Chin story is true and it happened in the early 50's it would have happened when Frank Costello was boss. Frank was in and out of jail in the early fifties so if Chin was made on short notice by Vito Genovese it more than likely happened without Frank's approval while he was away in jail.

Vito didn't exactly play by the rules though. He had a lot of power before he was the Boss so it is possible, I suppose.

I agree he definitely did what he wanted and didn't pay any attention to Costello or any rules that he didn't like.

Yes, it's possible. I know they did make guys in the early '50s, then the books closed. So it's not outside the realm of possibility.

Chin was Don Vitone protegè for sure Vito save chin life and he tried to kill costello. Genovese was more feared than costello on the streets so the made man have to fear Genovese.

Bumped as a companion thread