Sonny released

Well the old man managed another stint.

Franzese?

out today

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/sonny-franzese-released-from-prison-1.13756776

I wonder if he's gonna fall back into his old habits and start shaking guys down with his version of the Tick Special.

"Where's the money, Norman? You have the money to enter executive card games and buy your cheap floozy secretary a Mercedes but you don't wanna pay up what you owe, you're in for €3,000 already. What's the matta with you? Don't you hear what happens to people who don't wanna pay?"

Please God, no. Give me more time!

"Carmine, get my catheter."

Not that. Anything but that.

"You're gonna swallow every drop if you don't conjure $3,000 by the time they loosen my britches."

Salute!

At the time of his release on June 23, 2017, he was the oldest federal prisoner in the United States and the only centenarian in federal custody.

Where is that picture taken, if you know Hollander? Looks like Greenpoint/Williamsburg judging by the luxury condos behind him.

Can't believe he is still in the old neighborhood.

The last of the Mohegans I pray he enjoys the rest of his life peacefuly and with the family members that have supported him through the years. Glad you made it to the door

Wow that is crazy thanks for the pic

You do realize he raped women, murdered people and extorted hardworking people for a living, while raising his children to be criminals and drug addicts?

The American dream!

^^ He should've rotted in prison until he died. Obviously he never learned his lesson. "Sorry kids, great-grandpa is going back to prison for shaking down a strip joint." Get the fuck out of here.

He's a relic from the past. One of the last standup guys. Never ratted and if you didn't grow up around any of these guys you wouldn't understand. I'm from Chitown but still knew plenty of them. The life was the life. It's was a path out of poverty for these guys.

Think about it this guy was likely an errand boy for Profaci in the 20's and early 30's.

Like him or not he's a part of American history and a true mafia guy. His son only got into the the life cause he idolized his father.

I do wonder what he thinks about his son giving up the life. Although he never really ratted Michael certainly broke omertà.

And what I find really odd about this guy is he was only convicted once in 67 for bank robbery and ever since he's been locked up for parole violations.

Is raping women part of the life?

Furnari and Franzese both did that and were higher echelon mobsters so that suggests a tolerance of sexual crimes within the mob.

And nobody is forced into doing anything. You forge your own path in life. Nobody forces you to rape, extort and pillage for a living.

There are plenty of people who overcome worse than what Franzese did to become doctors and shit.

Here's some more

One man army

Got to love it ! He wants to live in " Brooklyn " of all the places he could live .

Whatever you say it was a different time and era. This guy grew up in the Great Depression, things were a bit different back then. Hell things were a lot different when I was growing up in the late 70's. Quite easy to get sucked in and charmed by the life these guys led. Glad I chose a different path but understand it.

As simple as being a kid looking to make a few bucks taking bets on the numbers game, next thing you know your a bookie or working for one, and connected.

Either way this guy is a relic from a time that has passed. And his last parole violation was a joke. Who the fuck is worried about being extorted by a 90+ year old man. Lol

Moe doesn't get enough attention at home so he spends his time on here trying to tell us how we should feel. Typical self serving attitude. GTFOH

Looks good for 100. I dont see the wheel chair and cant be that blind to be walking like that even with the walker. So new post says sal shotsie spac..... is the oldest guy in fed cust. Hes 95 i thought it was reported hes dead guess not. But jeezus christ let the ass dude out hes been in since 1993. He was picked up with john stanfa and that lawyers office tapes on half the tapes hes telling stanfa to make peace with merlino and they got him on gambling offenses thats not worth 25yrs dam. He didnt even kill anyome just talk.

No joke. Didn't they say he was blind and deaf and in a wheel chair? Of course they always go overboard with the problems to try and get them a compassionate release.

Gotta respect the dude, he did his time, even when it was thought he would NOT live out this sentence.

Once again, he raped a woman.

And he's a repeat recidivist.

The person quoted in the article said that he got away with a lot of things he should have been in prison for life for anyway, so fuck him.

You're telling me people like him are forced into lives of crime because they couldn't find jobs in New York?

The reason the mafia thrived in NY is precisely because it's a haven for blue collar employment and always has been.

I swear if there was baseball cards and stickers featuring mobsters some of you guys would trade them like Pokemon.

Joey Merlino baseball card would be like Mickey Mantle.

I find the mafia fascinating.

I also find WW2 history fascinating.

Doesn't mean I talk about what a great guy Goebbels was.

Last I checked, nobody asked for your opinion of him. Nobody here cares what you think.

If you find the mafia fascinating, then shut the fuck up or actually contribute something other than the SAME OLD boring ass comments that come from you in these threads.

Agree lol.

Agree to disagree, leave it at that.

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Nobody is glorifying the guy. He's a murderer and I'm sure nobody you wanted to cross in his day. His days have long since passed. He has no crew or power, he's a relic from the past.

But as I said growing up in Chicago I saw the same type of thing where the "life" was a decent option. I imagine it was the best option in his time, the depression, coming over on a boat, or being born into the shithole that NY must have been in that day. It is what it is, and the members commanded respect. That was certainly appealing to many kids hoping to find their next meal.

What astonishes me is why anyone in today's world would consider it when quite likely your going to end up spending most of your life in jail and the old scams are basically history. Hell go to school and become a Wall Street crook.

his gold plated moral compass finds way into every thread. its getting very annoying. i went to high school with someone like this. we beat him up regularly and my only regret is that i didnt beat him up more.

Also, used to know a couple of guys who during the early 90's supported the Balkan conflict and later came back as elite killers. Later they were allegedly involved in extortion, juice collection and arms dealing. Also possibly involved in the killings of a couple of guys from Serbia or Kosovo, I dont really remember and one local shady businessman. The thing is both guys perfectly acted all day long as stand up patriots anf family men. In fact they did not act at all because thats what they really were. Maybe they killed people but they also helped a lot of people and the best thing is that they never got involved in politics.

It was a different mentality back then....i mean when i was a small kid, one of our neighbours who used to fix windows would've called us kids on Sunday and also gave us few bars of chocolate in return to go and break some of the school windows so he can come on Monday and fix everything up....ahhh the good ol days

I am going to have a nice summer now. Anyone knows if John Jr was at the reunion Lol. Moe keep them on their toes.

Were the rumor sonny frazese raped chicks come from? Was he convicted of rape is he a registered sex offender. Is it internet rumor or did the fbi float it in a file in the 60tys when they framed him for a bank robbery they said was a frame up. The same fbi guys who put peter limone and like 5 others on death row then paid them 100 mill 40 yrs later with a were sorry.

Our resident wannabe Italian pmac is obviously still smarting over some low level pot bust he was involved in and taking out his hatred on the feds lol.

He was arrested on a rape charge.

You want me to throw up a few links about the mob's stranglehold on child porn, child prostitution and extortion/free blowjobs in gay bars while I'm here?

Arrested convicted? Or no.

NYPD arrested him for rape, that is a fact.

This is pretty much a scumbag low-life thing to do though, if you are serious. Beating up somebody just because he has a "moral compass" that your "gang" doesn't have, especially a whole group against one...This is worse than the mafia, for them it's "just business" usually at least (although not always).

I specify that I don't know the origins of the problems you have with Moe_Tilden, and I don't want to get involved further, but with the rape thing he has a point imo: while Sonny Franzese is a very interesting character from the mafia research point of view and I had a lot of fun reading how he was still doing extortions at 93 years old and got arrested for that, and it would be interesting to see him try to "get back into business" now at 100 years (especially if he manages to get himself arrested and convicted again, does the whole time again and is still alive when he gets released although unfortunately this is unlikely), still the rape thing ruins the whole fun: while I don't care about the rival gangsters he whacked, but raping somebody is something that even a "born" criminal could avoid, whatever the circumstances he grew up in were.

the origins of my problems with moe?lol i have no idea who this man is. i have no history with him whatsoever and dont plan on having any. he merely reminds me of someone i enjoyed torturing in high school.

In this case I can only say that, if the mafia was of any (even occasional and unintentional) use to society, they would have whacked the lot of you for beating that guy, if the reason for you to beat him was really the one you said...Just my 2 cents.

And as for the arguments about the moral point view on the mafia, I remember what fun it was to argue with the Vic Amuso fanboys, when I first got interested in the mafia/antimafia subject, when they portrayed him as an innocent angel whose only fault was trusting "that fucking rat Casso" (they only had problems with Casso being a rat, him being a murderer was ok). Although some posters paid them back, underlining how much of "murderous scumbag" Amuso was for whacking Buddy Luongo who was "100 times a man as him" or something like that. When I told them about Amuso more or less the same things Moe says here (and I agree with him, although concerning Sonny Franzese, I have fun reading a about mafioso still not being able to calm down even after going over 90 years old), they reacted as if I disrespected their sibling or another close relative Although, for all I care, gangsters can kill each other as much as they want, as long as innocents don't get hit by stray bullets (but that usually happens sooner or later...or at least happened, in the USA the mafia doesn't shoot anymore, or almost, Montreal is less "boring" in this sense). Maybe Sonny Franzese should have been shot on the spot for the rape back then, but now it's too late already, and if he shakes down the strip club owners again and goes to jail again for that, then both he and them get what they deserve imo. Although it would be funny to see a 100-year-old gangster in action.

A pity I wasn't there with a shotgun when you beat up that guy though, had never been to the USA...

Were you bullied as a kid?

He was probably raped too

Not exactly to that point at least, never got beaten up by an entire group, the fights I remember were always 1 to 1, and not always with clear "winners", although having glasses broken was annoying, paying for new lenses takes some money after all. But after moving to Italy, this problem wasn't there anymore, the Russian school was worse. The situation Ralphie_Cifaretto describes seems more infamous than I had in Russia though.

Did you do time for rape?

P.S. Note for the mods: I stop here, will keep to reading, so that guy is the only one to attract attention, if anything.

What was the point of this? Seriously. Try it in 100 words.

It was just an observation: to put it briefly, it's interesting to read about Franzese, but Moe has a point too, some things aren't funny...And about gang beatings for that specific reason, too. About Amuso, it was just an off-topic for fun. That's all...

Thanks for the news. He really doesn't look well. Still pretty good for 100, with a lot of years in prison.

As far as him being a rapist, the best I could find was that in 1947, court papers said he raped a woman in a garage. He wasn't arrested or convicted.
http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/2011/01/sonny-franzese-faces-sentencing-today.html
https://greenpointers.com/2017/02/22/gre...dred-years-old/
EDIT: This one says he was arrested, but not convicted
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/the-hood-in-our-neighborhood-1.13756871


While we're on the subject, what is the source for Christie Tick raping several girls?

Sonny Franzese= scumbag. Moe Tilden=wierd

Isn't this thread supposed to be about a man who made it out of the can at 100 years old and how AMAZING THAT IS? He spent more time incarcerated than most of you guys have been alive Lighten up Francis.

He looks pretty good too. A few days in the sunshine with the family and eating a good homemade dish of something soft like gavadeel. He'll be good as new

The reason he is in Greenpoint part of Brooklyn is because his daughter has a two flat there.

Brooklyn is familiar to him even though its changed.

Just like when I go home I still see all the businesses in my mind and reflect back.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pur1.32754078036807;view=1up;seq=260
Mentions arrests for rape and sodomy

I always respected you Moe, but I have to be honest with you buddy that this shit is getting real old. We all know by now that you despise all mobsters, but some of us don't see everything that black and white and that doesn't necessarily mean we lack a 'moral compass'.

Billy, I know I can come across as an annoying, whiny asshole sometimes but it can't get any more black and white than someone like Sonny Franzese, who has committed crimes that cover the whole spectrum from extortion to drug dealing to assault to murder to rape and God knows what else.

There is nothing to be respected about the way he lived his life or the fact that he raised two weak, spineless children; one a drug addict, the other a pathological liar, both rats.

I will admit he is a fascinating character in the mold of Greg Scarpa, Jimmy Burke and Roy De Meo but that's it, so were Ted Bundy and Pol Pot.

And no - I am not saying Franzese is anywhere as bad as them but the broad point is the same.

*I've started reading The Goodfella Tapes for the second time and George Anastasia writes in the intro about how John Stanfa and Sergio Battaglia plotted to assassinate him (and his family) by throwing grenades through the window of his family home. All because he wrote an unflattering article

I mean come on.

People are entitled to think I am a whiny, annoying asshole. I will try to stop interjecting my moral grievances into every thread I post in.

From what I've read from multiple sources Franzese was never found guilty of rape, apparently he never even was arrested for it and only was accused of it in 1947. Plus we also know that the government had a tremendous hard-on for the man. They couldn't get him for all the murders and stuff, so they accused him of a lot of things he probably never did, like that bank robbery for instance.

I'm not saying that Sonny was some kind of hero at all, far from it. He committed countless murders and acts of violence, but he did it in a world where there were different rules and regulations than in normal society and because of that I judge/look at him in different light than the killers you mentioned before like Ted Bundy and Pol Pot. And I truly believe that this doesn't make me a mob apologist, I'm just someone who's very wary of painting everything/everyone with the same brush.

Well, since Moe hates him so much, I say give him a reality show!

Vacari, in Kenny Gallo's book, he says he was amazed at how Sonny was showing photos of his grandkids, Michael's kids, and doting over them like a regular old grandpa, well after Michael was on the outs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EqiIH6aCwY&feature=player_embedded

Anyone seen this video?

There is some audio of Sonny talking that his son recorded while wearing a wire. Starts at 5:42

Nice find Michael_Giovanni