Lucchese hierarchy bust

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Mob...-425489754.html

Gotta involve Steve crea , must be the meldish murder

Now maybe with a possible murder charge someone will flip and give details of who is running this family from top to bottom.

Yeah serp,this is what the feds did in the last 20 and more years,I hope that not all are stand up guys but at the end dozen of criminals outof the streets is a good thing.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...ticle-1.3209306

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Nearly two dozen Lucchese crime family members arrested
By Kaja Whitehouse and Lia Eustachewich May 31, 2017 | 10:34am | Updated

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Top-ranking members of the Lucchese crime family – including ruling boss Matthew Madonna and his second-in-command Steven Crea Sr. – were busted Wednesday on federal racketeering charges, including murder, authorities said.

Madonna and underboss Crea Sr., aka “Wonder Boy,” as well as consigliere Joseph DiNapoli, and four others – Steven Crea Jr., Dominic Truscello, John “Big John” Castelucci and Tindaro “Tino” Corso – who served as captains or acting captains were among 19 charged in a superseding indictment unsealed Wednesday.

Soldiers Joseph Venice, James “Jimmy the Jew” Maffucci, Joseph “Big Joe” and “Joey Glasses” Datello, Paul “Paulie Roast Beef” Cassano, Christopher Londonio and several others were also nabbed.

The crew of goodfellas was allegedly behind the 2013 murder of Michael Meldish, a former leader of the notorious Purple Gang, who did jobs for the Lucchese and Genovese families.


The mobsters, most of whom are Lucchese, are also accused in court papers of attempting to kill an unnamed member of the Bonanno crime family in 2013 who had offended Crea Sr. and trying to rub out a former witness last year.

Madonna is serving as the family’s “street boss” in lieu of its formal boss, who’s serving a life sentence for murder and other crimes.

The 80-year-old wiseguy is currently locked up himself in Trenton state prison on a five-year sentence for his role in running an illegal gambling ring.

The slew of charges in the 30-page indictment also include dealing cocaine, heroin, oxycodone and marijuana, robbery, extortion, wire and mail fraud and money laundering.

Arraignments will take place Wednesday afternoon in White Plains federal court.


Crea served 34 months in prison after pleading guilty in 2004 to his role in a big-rigging scheme.

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wow...gotta wonder who else is left after this? looks like a lot of guys, and now we get a little insight into the hierarchy that has relatively been a mystery. so dinapoli was official consig, and crea's son was a capo. Truscello still active that guy has gotta be like 90 years old. now we're probably going to see guys who would have never been that high up get admin/capo positions after this...it looks like a lot of guys were taken down

From the NY Post: http://nypost.com/2017/05/31/nearly-two-dozen-lucchese-crime-family-members-arrested/

The mobsters, most of whom are Lucchese, are also accused in court papers of attempting to kill an unnamed member of the Bonanno crime family in 2012 who had offended Crea Sr. and trying to rub out a former witness last year.

They’re additionally charged with the attempted murder of reputed Bonanno soldier Enzo “The Baker” Stagno..

Plus, of course there's the Meldish murder. These guys are def still willing to hit people.
Anyone know anything about this 2012 or 2016 incident?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailyne...ticle-1.3209306

vacuum at the top,, conte , zapploa, capra ect. next wave on top

Madonna always struck me as a gangster through and through. Seems like he's always in prison or being indicted.

You really think Brooklyn will take the power back? What about Migliore, Santorelli, Giampa?

I am sure they will make their move. its the never ending life cycle

True Bronx , the BK guys just maybe licking there chops !!!!

John castelucci who is the main capo in Brooklyn has also been indicted

Go to trial put the guy stango on the stand he wont say they tried to kill me. Wonder who the got to flip to indict that many high ranking guys. Maybe he flipd. Gotta say capeci had this coming months ago. So amuso is still the boss i take.

Or the black guy ghost dogg flipped on whoever was giving him the orders.

They was running roughshot over the bonanno's

Crea gave orders to track down a mob snitch in new Hampshire hah strait out the sopranos. Dam they charged like 6 guys with the meldish murder and ghost dogg. Bet this case crumbles apart like all the wons recently. The meldish murder attempt murder of stango the baker guy and a snitch in new Hampshire. I mean there all looking at life. So much for creas son isnt involved hes charged with murder to.

these guys are in the mix Thomas good point, next six months will be telling, lets see if anyone else flips, could wipe out everything crea. they are all going to prison ,just how long the younger guys get..the 80 year olds die in there..

i hope stevie crea jr rats out everybody including his dad. oh my god the comments here are gonna be so good

None of the jersey guys arrested ?

Still from outside looking in the Bronx was keeping there hands firmly around there throats and from old posts here back a few years that's how it always looked.

Only time will tell !

Wow, thanks for the news guys. I'm surprised they're still so willing to kill, especially hunting down a rat! Should be interesting...

they never changed. i bet theres other recent murders out there.we just don't know about them yet.

After reading the indictment it really does seem like they never changed. Same old stuff. Alive and well.

https://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/u-s-v-matthew-madonna-et-al-indictment.pdf

Lol I am so glad I have you guys to talk about this stuff with and to read your guys insights. I find this stuff so much more interesting than 90% of the youtube , facebook stuff most people are into, haha I am way more into LCN / organized crime history and current news than anyone else I know my age or older around here and I am in my 20's.

It's the way of life and it never changes.Crime will be crime and murder is totally normal thing in that world.

Crea madonna are going to trial there not gonna take big pleas at there age and there going after there homes creas kids in some shit to. The drug charges are funny. So the bosses knowingly took tribute from drug dealers there guilty of selling them. This thing deff going to trial. I read the indictment the poster post above. I dont know what they charged ttrusello with other then being part of the gang and probaly besties with crea. He'll end up with probation.

Will find out so much more info if they go to trial , and yeah the Feds are going after there old shoes !!! Let alone there rentals and businesses and primary homes , they are fucked .

Your motto in your signature is incorrect. A fish can get caught in a net.

Look at how high they have Scarfo Jr. in the hierarchy!

I guess this means that he is gonna do his 25-30, then come out at near 80 years old, just to return to the life?

Too bad that he doesn't hold that much secret info. I HIGHLY doubt that a cooperating deal was even offered to Scarfo Jr.

I don't know this family other then the current administration that has just been taken down has stepped on some toes in there own family.

Not that does not happen in others , but it was done to some pretty powerful guys when they were down .

I don't think there will be much forgiveness as per back in the day when Casso said wack Jersey !!!

This should be something as it unraveled .

I think the Rat in hiding up in New Hampshire is John Riggi's son in law Sean Richard who was a union executive that was extremely close to Big Joe Datello and Steve Crea Sr. Among others.He ratted them out in that huge construction industry indictment in 2000 or 01, After he wore a wire and recorder he then went on and on talking shit for years and throwing insults at Crea,Datello,Riggi and his extended family nonstop ! I'm thinking Joe.C steps up and takes the top spot now,Maybe Sideburns gets the #3 .Let's see what happens over in Queens now,Little Joe might get touched soon

I see you have just read scott burnstein's gangster report again , no inside knowledge from you

http://gangsterreport.com/operation-text...owers-in-2000s/

That was how high he was ranked in relation to those who were busted in 2007, not the entire Lucchese family.

Fucking hoax.

Trying to pass off info as firsthand.


Such a loser.

Awwee look at this, I still got it !! Lmao, That's known knowledge,All ya gotta do is "GOOGLE" !! I got no more to say to you guys,You proved it for me ! All I have to do is type anything and you people react and go NUTS ! My Fans are still here haha !! I just read Scott this morning ! Have a great day my buddies, Make sure you eat a good breakfast,Remember its the most important meal of the day !

N.Y. / Region

Mob Turncoat Eager to Talk About Construction Rackets
By C. J. CHIVERS
SEPTEMBER 8, 2000
On a cold night last December, a white limousine stopped near Il Boschetto restaurant in Yonkers. Two large men stepped out and hurried through the restaurant's front door.

Both men were suspected of being mob racketeers. One, Joseph Datello, has been identified as an inducted member of the Lucchese crime family. The other, Sean J. Richard, was the son-in-law of John Riggi, the imprisoned boss of the New Jersey-based DeCavalcantes. Mr. Richard had recently been in a car accident. He wore a bandage on his left arm.

In the restaurant, Steven L. Crea, who has been identified as the Luccheses' acting boss, greeted them from the first stool at the bar. For about an hour, the three men talked about bribery and extortion, the authorities say. Mr. Richard now remembers that Mr. Crea was angry. He speculated darkly about a man he thought might be an informer.

When the meeting ended, Mr. Richard dropped Mr. Datello off at his home on Staten Island, as he had after many meetings before. Then he broke from the routine.


He directed his driver to a motel parking lot and switched cars, taking a seat in a sedan with another group of men. Reaching into his sweatsuit, he unrolled the bandage and removed a hidden recording device.

Sean Richard had just betrayed the man he says was his Mafia boss. Mr. Crea had guessed wrong.

In the end, it was a fellow boss's son-in-law, worried that his future held either jail time or a violent death, who had turned against him. In the parlance of mobsters, Mr. Richard had become a rat.

''These are not the kind of circumstances you want to gain fame and notoriety for,'' Mr. Richard said in a recent interview. ''But I didn't have many options, and that's what I am.''

Mr. Richard, who agreed to several interviews while in hiding, is the mob's latest embarrassing, tell-all turncoat. He is an eager raconteur.

On Wednesday, Robert M. Morgenthau, the Manhattan district attorney, unsealed racketeering indictments against Mr. Crea and 37 other defendants, accusing them of participating in a criminal enterprise that drove up the prices of construction projects throughout the city. The indictment identifies Mr. Crea as the acting boss and Mr. Datello as a soldier in the Lucchese crime family.

As the prosecutions go forward, they will rely on years of investigation and wiretaps by the New York Police Department. And they will rely on Mr. Richard, who agreed to plead guilty to attempted enterprise corruption in exchange for a new identity and five years' probation.


In return, he plans to testify with zeal about how the Luccheses, through persistence and payoffs, maintained a grip on construction projects at a time when the Mafia was supposedly in decline. Dozens of contractors, union officials and mobsters are said to be vulnerable to his testimony, which will recount, in detail, bribes doled out in bars and restaurants, coercion at construction sites and the Mafia's aggressive, if somewhat bumbling, management of a sprawling criminal scheme.

''He is a godsend,'' said a lawyer who is familiar with the case.

It is a remarkable reversal. As Mr. Riggi's son-in-law and the father of two of the boss's granddaughters, Mr. Richard, 35, is literally married to the mob. And he is displaying an almost gloating disrespect. In interviews, he went beyond details of labor corruption. He spoke with disdain for the mobsters he once served.

He described Emmanuel Riggi, one of his brothers-in-law and a man prosecutors describe as a member of the DeCavalcante crime family, as ''so fat he breaks chairs at every family function.'' He said John Riggi, the feared crime boss, ''ought to thank me for feeding his useless kids.'' He said Mr. Datello, his 6-foot-5 former partner, was ''a big idiot, like Frankenstein.''

''I used to say, 'Hey, Joey, I've got to take you in to get the bolts for your neck,' '' Mr. Richard said.

Some of Mr. Richard's former Mafia associates seem astounded at the breadth and tone of his confessions. A few, through lawyers or associates, declined to comment, including John Riggi, his sons and Mr. Datello, who has eluded arrest so far.

Others, through associates or lawyers, said Mr. Richard was little more than a wild exaggerator and a serial manipulator who drew attention to the Luccheses through a foolishly flamboyant style. ''This guy was a wannabe, and he conducted business that was not authorized by organized crime,'' said a person who is familiar with the Lucchese family.


Mr. Richard is a gritty man and emanates the blunt, coarse demeanor of a thug. He is utterly unlettered. He says ''mob fractions'' when he means ''mob factions.'' But he is also capable of warmth and charm, and people who know him say he is very smart, a man who passed easily through many roles until arriving at his latest: prosecution witness.

''He's a chameleon,'' said a friend of nearly 20 years who spoke only on the condition of anonymity. ''He became a gangster better than one of them, and he thought circles around them while he did it.''

For his first 30 years, Mr. Richard was an unknown, a laborer from the Bronx who trained as a union apprentice and, by his mid-20's, started a small subcontracting company in New Jersey. His insider's tour of the mob did not begin until 1995, when he began dating Sara M. Riggi, the daughter of the DeCavalcantes' boss.

The DeCavalcantes are the smallest of the region's Mafia families, and considered by law enforcement to be the weakest, often relying on cooperation with the five families in New York. But they have long specialized in labor rackets: extorting contractors in exchange for labor peace, or replacing unionized employees with nonunion workers and then spiriting away savings on wages or fringe benefits.

Mr. Richard became fascinated with Mr. Riggi, whom he said he first visited in the Federal Correctional Institution in Cumberland, Md., in 1996, when the boss was serving a sentence for extortion. Mr. Riggi, 75, appeared in prison khakis, yet somehow managed, Mr. Richard said, ''to have an almost presidential bearing.'' He sat briefly with Mr. Richard and Ms. Riggi before sending his daughter to a vending machine.

''As soon as she left, he looked at me and said: ''Who you with? Who you indentured to?'' Mr. Richard said. ''I said: ''Nobody. I don't answer to nobody.' And after we talked for a while, we hit it off.''


Mr. Richard and Ms. Riggi married on Sept. 13, 1996. ''Friday the 13th,'' Mr. Richard now says.

Unlike Mr. Riggi's three sons, who law enforcement officials say were unable to run the rackets (Mr. Richard calls them ''goofballs, three guys you wouldn't take miniature golfing''), his son-in-law seemed smart and aggressive. Soon, Mr. Richard's legitimate business was a sideline; labor rackets were his game.

He and law enforcement officials said that in 1996 he began circulating his father-in-law's instructions to corrupt New Jersey locals and pursuing larger plans. ''Sean was a significant player,'' said Robert T. Buccino, who retired last month as deputy chief of New Jersey's Organized Crime Bureau. ''He was more trusted than the sons were.''

By 1997, Mr. Richard established a link with the Luccheses, working for Mr. Datello, who prosecutors say also specialized in labor rackets. In one of his schemes, Mr. Richard and prosecutors assert, he and an associate bribed Michael Forde, the president of Local 608 of the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners, to help limit the number of unionized carpenters at a Park Central Hotel renovation project.

He said the first payment -- $10,000 in cash -- was made over afternoon beers at a Hooters on West 56th Street. ''I gave him the ten thousand, and he says, 'You know, I really shouldn't be drinking beers while I'm working; the union is cracking down on that,' '' Mr. Richard said. ''I said: 'You're worried about the beers? What do you think your guys would think about that ten thousand you just took?' ''

Through his lawyer, Mr. Forde said the meeting with Mr. Richard never took place.

As he worked for Mr. Datello, Mr. Richard lived a high roller's life, canvassing Manhattan and spending freely from wads of $100 bills. He bought pedigreed Rottweilers. He leased a new luxury car every few months. He bought a $320,000 home on two acres in Holmdel, N.J., putting $145,000 down. The house had a sauna, a Jacuzzi, an in-ground pool and separate yards: one for his two infant daughters, the other for his menacing-looking black dogs.

By 1999, he had become a fixture at the Oak Room at the Plaza Hotel, where the manager, Patrick Littlejohn, remembers that he sat in a corner booth and ordered heaping plates of chilled seafood and seared prime rib, washing both down with 1982 Lafite-Rothschild. Sometimes he stood by the piano, singing Frank Sinatra or Perry Como songs.


He also passed long hours at the Paradise Club, a nightclub near the Empire State Building, where he tipped the striptease dancer he fell in love with as much as $1,000 a night, he and the dancer both say. ''If I dropped dead tomorrow, I lived, baby, I lived,'' Mr. Richard said.

He and the authorities also say he attended the meetings of a secret three-member construction panel that the Luccheses used to plan rackets, mediate disputes and divide spoils. By his telling, these meetings illustrated the paradox that the latter-day Mafia has become.

On one hand, the mob was resourceful enough to cheat the construction industry of millions of dollars. On the other, many members and associates were almost pathetic: grown men who groveled to get jobs as flagmen at road crews, or who talked relentlessly on cellular phones about secret meetings, all while the detectives were listening.

''This was supposed to be a secret society, but we'd get 20, 25, 30 guys turning up, all asking for something,'' Mr. Richard said. ''It was a joke.''

He recalled one panel meeting last year at Little Charlie's Clam Bar on Kenmare Street in Manhattan, for which, he said, two dozen mobsters and associates arrived in flashy cars, lining the block with Cadillacs and Lincolns. Later, he learned that the police had watched the entire show. ''It was kind of comical,'' Mr. Richard said. ''The detectives were right across the street.''

Mr. Richard's life began to unravel last June, when the police raided several dozen homes and offices in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, searching for records documenting the suspected rackets. One of the targets was the Linden, N.J., office of S & S Contracting, the business he had formed with his wife.


The raids filled him with dread. ''It was the beginning of the end,'' he said. ''For them to get 40 warrants in three states? Come on. That's real.''

Over the next five months, he fell into a funk. He began to use cocaine, marijuana and heroin, he said, and drank more heavily than usual. He spent even more money, dipping into the weekly cash tribute he said he was supposed to pay Mr. Datello as a member of his crew.

He also began to think about becoming the state's witness, in part because friction within the Luccheses rose after the raids, and he worried that Mr. Datello had been given orders to kill him. The fear, he said, intensified late last fall when he was told to wait outside the Tick Tock Diner in Clifton, N.J., to meet Dominic Truscello, a Lucchese capo. Mr. Datello told him he would be picked up in a van.

''I said, 'What do you guys need a van for?' '' Mr. Richard recalled. ''A van is never a good sign in this business.''

He was so unnerved, he said, that he armed himself, carrying a pistol in his belt. The van ride passed without violence, but during the meeting that followed, he said, Mr. Truscello stared icily at him and said, ''What are your sins?'' Mr. Richard interpreted the question as a sign that he was marked for execution. He defected soon thereafter.

Now that the case is public, lawyers and associates of the Luccheses say that the state's star witness is a traitor on many levels.


Mr. Richard is now in hiding with his girlfriend, the stripper, who performed under the name Lola. His wife, Sara Riggi, has not seen him in months. She has been left in disarray, alone with their daughters and facing foreclosure proceedings against their home. She filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection in July and for divorce in August. ''It's very upsetting,'' she said in a brief interview, which she ended in tears.

For his part, Mr. Richard looks like a man who has long been resting. He has lost weight and added tattoos. He has a rich tan. Now and then he talks about book or movie deals. He takes precautions, but they are almost comically half-hearted, like his tendency when venturing away from the police to wear a hat and sunglasses, or his request to a reporter not to describe his tattoos.

The Luccheses' latest racketeering case, and his probation, will be over one day, he says. Then he will have a new life. ''The last thing anybody wants to be is a rat,'' he said. ''But you know something? I'll be a rat and I won't be in prison. I'll be a rat and I'll be alive.''

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There ya go my buddies !! That's "ONE" of the few "ARTICLES" written 17 YEARS AGO !!! WAYYY BEFORE SCOTT CAME ON THE SCENE !! The NEW YORK TIMES SAID IT FIRST !! GODDAMN,DO I HAVE TO DO ALL THE WORK FOR YOU PEOPLE ??!! "GOOGLE" USE IT,EMPOWER YOURSELF !!

I ask again,As I did in other threads, What do you add this forum Mr Artie Nigro except throw SHIT at people like an Old Decrepit Circus Monkey??You add nothing of substance or value You can't even GOOGLE !! Info that is 17 Plus Years old !!! Are you really this Ignorant and Stupid ??

New York’s Lucchese Mafia family deadly as ever in 2017: prosecutors say after indicting bosses and underlings

http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...-2017-prosecuto

I dont know why they keep showing a lucchese chart from the jersey bust 10 years ago. Most of those guys arent even involved in anything and were just half assed numbers runners. They arent made or connected to NY. Wtf !!!!

@MrJustsayNo: i have no idea who you are and i don't care,but why you have to spam 4 posts in a row all caps... oh god

The old guys are replaceable, its their job to go to jail

Is it a mob trial first father n son inidcted for a mob hit?

I just like the idea that Crea had the last word instead of the first word because of all the people saying Crea was the Boss !!

Going back to 2007 that was going around that he was demoting guys and promoting guys and say all end all !!! Not !!

Is it a mob trial first father n son inidcted for a mob hit? Crea flips to save his son from life. They move to Arizona start the crea family over as the krays.

Dominick Truscello

If this isn't further proof that people need to wait for indictments before talking about what the official hierarchy is or isn't, then I don't know what is.

Interesting times what with Merlino's trial and now this.

Don't waste your breath moe, veteran posters with a little inside knowledge speaks opinions as if they were facts! And they will never admit their wrong when the facts do come out...I argued with mega ego's years ago about the Detroit mafia, the vets told me they wasn't a functioning family

I respect serp because he's the only one that let's you know when something is just his opinion

@serp not moe...lol

[quote=thebigfella]@serp not moe...lol [/quo


Yeah very rarely do I have new first hand knowledge!!!

But we all have to get old and unimportant !!!

The stuff I do know first hand 9/10 I can not post it's just way to incriminating like when I posted about Phil and seeing him that was back a week after Nick passed and a few people knew through PM'S but I asked them not to say a word , and here I am running my mouth !

But I do thank them for not posting what could be some very damaging shit !!!

There are some stand up guys here !!

I respect that!

lol now that is funny

Vermin

Will New York’s Last Real Mafia Hit Bring Down the Lucchese Family?

Investigators tie the murder of a hitman with a rusty Lincoln to a racketeering enterprise that also included extortion, loansharking, drug trafficking, and money laundering.

Michael Daly

06.01.17 1:00 AM ET



http://www.thedailybeast.com/will-new-yorks-last-real-mafia-hit-bring-down-the-lucchese-family

This is going to be interesting...Who'll survive...

The other families I am sure are looking at this and are wondering if they have a rat wired up .

Wonder how many different groups of Feds and police are trying to make a bust , one thing for sure if there are multiple agencies or teams in same agency are now envious and will be pushing for there own bust and time in front of the cameras .


They have to justify all the OT and boy do they get paid !!!

JOSEPH DIBENEDETTO IS RUNNING THE LUCCHESE FAMILY NOW. HE IS A CAPTAIN AND ALSO VIC AMUSO SON INLAW.

Is he a Queens guy or living in Brooklyn ?

I never heard of him, is he a capo???

He should be eyes and ears for Amuso And why he would not .

I can't say to much because it has to do with people that are on the fringes of the life , but his wife and him(or just the wife) are tight with the Persicos and there cousins who are in the life and not just one cousin a few of the made guys sisters and wife's all hang with this crowd.

I just don't know where he works out of Queens or BK or other , never gave it a second thought till today , but have seen and herd the names on the legit family members .


You would be amazed how close these people that are left are and how close they marry .

This really is a landmark case today. Some real heavy hitters were brought down and this is definately going to trial for the top guys given their age , wealth and charges. The most interesting matter in the indictment IMO are the attempt to connect with a South America cocaine distributed which is more rare today and if their is still some focus on that level I would expect today Calabrians are more in the mix. Also the hospital construction charges as commercial property over billing is probably pretty tough to bring charges on given the level of legal and tax advice these guys have access to .

Hats off to Westchester LE as this is the type of case you want to see LE going after with our tax dollars as this is some real shit with drugs , murders , shooting and large construction activity . This case and that last Westside NJ bust in 2015 was some impressive LE work ( assuming the cases don't implode lol ) . Some of the recent LE busts just seemed like some weak pointless stuff but not this one .

joey di benedetto is a brooklyn guy. i have no idea if hes the boss or not but it wouldnt surprise me. he is a capo with a lot of money

joey is from howard beach, running that family ?or bringing messages..? i think we should wait to see who is helping run the family..its early..joey nice guy but run that family my opinion no way..he is also onofrio modica's ex brother inlaw.

Read scarfo jr would meet tgis guy joe in queens and hand him bags probaly stuffed with cash that he would bring to amusos wife. The pics came up in scarfos trial. Wonder if that guy bowat gets the gig if hes in good shape he was underboss for awhile or that guy frank last.... these were the guys running the family for amuso and casso when they were running. Read capecis little article these guys are porked. Something about being part of the rico enterprise well using a firearm. Hold life sentence guess i was wrong about probation for trucello. Got some nice tans.

DiBenedetto is 48 years old and was still a soldier in 2008 (not sure when he got upped to capo, so not enough experience to run that family in my opinion.

Anyone know which Sportsbook this was that was part of the bust? I haven't had time to sit down and read the entire indictment between work and summer kicking off at the Jersey Shore lol

How many times has Madonna been to prison 4 or 5 times?

Dante i read the quick 30 page thing someone posted page b4. I didnt see anything specific probably charge a old gambling charge someone plead guilty to 10 yrs ago they reindicted for a rico predicate act.

Do y'all really still think it's a Brooklyn vs Bronx thing?
Serious question here...


I don't know if I still buy that explanation. Cause Amuso is still calling the shots...

I find it intriguing to say the least, that Amuso, a heroin guy, took over with Gaspipe, another drug guy, and the guy running the family ( Madonna) now is a longtime drug guy. They even trusted the Black guy, I think because he was another long term drug guy.

I'm always going back to the fact that Amuso came from the Gallo crew, a crew know to be very close to the Genovese, Gigante specifically. I think his clout with them might be underestimated. I wonder what his relationship with the Colombo- Persicos is?

I think I said before, you got three of the five bosses, Official too, in jail. Perisco, Mancuso and Amuso. It's kinda weird and strange....

Then you got the Gambinos, who I can't tell if they are being run from NYC or Palermo......

I love asking the question, WHY ARE THESE GUYS POWERFUL, at all, STILL?

It almost seems the earners are still respected, but the top slots are being reserved for the PROVEN heavy guys. Guys that absolutely won't talk....

I'll bet the Calabrians would only meet with a Madonna type....

Why only with madonna ? And are the ndrangheta are working with the lucchese's ?

Thanks man, you would think they would at least list the Sportsbook web site if they're going to be dishing out gambling charges.

Crea looks old....I wonder how he feels about bringing his son in now...all those construction connections-gotta believe he coulda set the kid up for a decent life...45 and facing life....UGLY...gotta think it weighs on him but who knows....and Madonna is a stone gangster.

Isn't it amazing that we have someone on the board who is so highly connected they actually know who the new boss of a mafia family is 24 hours after the current admin is taken off the street.

Yawn.

Lol.... pretty amazing... could probably get the FBI's top OC position if he plays his cards right .....

People keep brining up the Brooklyn vs Bronx power struggle....

I only know what I read here, in books and on news sites but it appeared as though the family was being ran very well and people were saying they were tight with the west side especially in construction....

It seems like Vic was being taking care of while the Bronx faction has been in control so why does everyone think they are just going to dissapear and lose all powerr???

This is a secret society I am sure all top guys have younger guys they are grooming that would just take over the remaining rackets (in Creas case all his legitimate and illegal construction stuff) and funnel the money up to these guys in jail and their family members no??

It seems like everyone has been eating and there hasn't been any internal issues so I don't see the Brooklyn faction rocking the boat or trying to start issues especially knowing the Feds are obviously closly watching them...

Wouldn't it be more plausible that the younger Bronx guys just step up???

Unless Vic does have more control then we realize and he has the power to dictate the new admin but even then it seems like the Bronx faction has been serving him well so would he even want to do that and potentially cause termoil in his family and the possibility of the Bronx faction not taking it and going after Brooklyn and if the Bronx stayed on top they could end up telling Vic to shove it... especially with the Westside connection is that something Vic would risk??

Just some thoughts.... I have no idea!!!

So interesting though!!!

Everyone was always saying how powerful Barney, Cali and Crea were and they were brining their families back to the promise land and I t almost made it seem like they were so isolated that they were untouchable...

Wonder how the top guys in other Familes are feeling about all of this... and what happens to all the Westside/Luke's joint ventures???

I can kinda see why Al D'Arco called Steven Crea a pussy magnet.

Dante I hope you did not use your real name and a primary credit card when you make bets ...
I see you are very concerned that you may have to donate to Eddie again !!!

Homers77

I am sure that's why Amuso had many of them at the top of the family.

Wasn't BK guys just coming off a big bust or prison when power started to shift , because that is just common sense for a boss to make sure the family stays viable and I don't think it matters what borough .

The only favorites he may have is to BK or that area cos is this not his stomping grounds when he was on the street.


And the Bronx-BK thing was a thing on the boards for a long time I am sure that's where it coming from.


Also what's great is when people say that are from these areas that the charts are wrong people go crazy !!

This is just a example of just that , you may find out made guys that you never herd of or possibly skippers !!

Tons of guys never hit the radar and that's just the way they want it , not this driving around in a Rolls Royce on a heavily populated shore beach town where everyone can film you.

This Madonna many are pointing at him as a possible rat , you never know but I say no way .

Most likely someone very close to one of these big skippers or even bosses .

Due back in court in September; some could face death penalty. Though, since they are stone gangsters, this shouldn't concern them.

http://hudsonvalley.news12.com/story/35569851/alleged-lucchese-mafiosos-appear-in-court

Heh. The reporter is Irish. Never thought I would hear an Irish person reporting on the mafia.

ALF bought a wheelchair just in time for the trial.

https://twitter.com/BronaghTumulty/status/870025280643108864

Interesting that Crea, Jr is listed as a capo in one of those articles.

Steven Crea's lawyer is supposedly the inspiration for Saul Goodman.

Wow i watched that on the vice channel not long ago didnt think hes a big federal rico lawyer. These guys are fucked. Theres gonna be alot of guys at the defense table during trial cause these guys arnt gonna plead out at there age to 15 yr bids. If i had to pick a lawyer id find tommy shots guy are McMahon.

going for death penalty will only hurt their case, ny jury would never vote for death in almost every case, so if the jury knows they may kill someone, could find mistrials over and over..my opinion

if florida or texas, warm up the chair or get the needle ready..hey maybe that is why so many rats live in those states..juries have no problem doling out a death penaly decision

I'm not saying LE shouldn't go after LCN guys but in 2017 the Italian organised criminal is surely way down the list of bad guys.

But,I think they're victims of their own success. They were once the most dangerous, wealthiest criminals around and they DID/do have an aura of glamour and mystery. Thats why i think LE loves to target them but their actual danger is now minimal, especially compared to other threats.


A lot of the reports are putting Madonna in the top seat, even if no ones saying he's the official boss. That apperently still seems to be Amuso. Although I'm willing to bet that his name never came up in whatever info the Feds were privy too.

It never ceases to amaze me that people still make excuses for them and criticise LE for going after them considering the sheer scope of the amount of illegal profits they are accruing, not to mention the tentacles they continue to spread into legitimate business mainly construction, flooding cities with drugs, the amount of money they add to YOUR cost of living, the dangers they pose to decent society with asbestos, illegal landfills, construction shortcuts etc.

The amount of black people that are in overcrowded prisons for little or no reason, yet these lazy shitbags who haven't worked a day in their lives and live in mansions are still "illegitimate targets" to some.

I assume everyone here works 9-5?

Does it not piss you off?

If only it was the 1860's, vigilanteism was still a thing and these lazy pricks could be tarred and feathered.

Just my two cents.

*Lazy shitbags and lazy pricks as in organised crime gangs in general

More it's always been that way it's Americans they fall in love with a story in there head .

You see how people would fall in love with Dillinger , Bonnie and Clyde , Billy the Kid it's no different, America loves the underdog and if they publicly apologize the American public will forget all about it !!!


Never going to change!!!

i agre with you but why you say blacks are in prison for little or no reason? most of them are there because they are criminals. they may not be as bright as crea or cali but they are still criminals and belong to rot in prison.trump won because he understands this. you sound like u believe in white privilege.

Blacks are in prison for no reason ??? Haha, thats a funny statement. Too bad its totally false.
The liberal media makes it appear that most blacks are in prison for minor drug offenses like selling a small bag of weed or getting caught with a few joints..total bull shit. They are in for violent offenses amd selling large quanities of drugs that are more dangerous than weed ( crack and heroin). Lets not even talk about all the strong armed robberies, car jackings, home invasions, and murder.
I know more than a few white guys that did prison time for selling weed as well as minor gambling offenses yet no one talks about that.
Almost 80% of all blacks are born out of wedlock. Dont even tell me its due to poverty, look at all the wealthy black athletes and rappers, they all have out of wedlock kids. Thats a culture, not anything to do with the white man.
They stop having out of wedlock children and 85% of their issues disappear.
Hate to sound harsh but we all know its true.

youre 100% correct. its too bad that so many americans want to defend all these thugs. if they were white, they would want them to burn. black children have no role models, no man in the house and their mom fucks everyone. good american values arent being taught in these households.

I recently read that if you didn't include non violent offenders the US would still have the most prisoners in the world. There is this myth floating around that says prisons are full of non violence offenders like weed smokers, but they are full of rapist, robbers, and murderers. Will never solve the problem of crime as long as the majority of people continue to lie to themselves.

Back to the case one of the articles claim Tindaro Corso is a capo, anyone ever heard of him before? Another interesting tidbit is one of the guys was charged in the Meldish murder was in prison when it actually happened. That tells me someone involved in the hit has possibly flipped or they got wiretaps of them talking about hits.

ive never heard of that guy and i doubt anyone else here has either. things move really fast in that life. theres quite a few guys out there who just fly under the radar for many years. before danny leo got indicted no one knew anything about him. same with robert debello. that gambino guy in staten island is another one.

Very sell said my friend. Al Sharpton should get that tattoo'd on his chest.

Lucchese crime family funneled millions from hospital project



http://nypost.com/2017/06/04/lucchese-crime-family-funneled-millions-from-hospital-project/

Crea jr looks older then his dad. 45 still young to start a life bid. Gotti was 50 or so and lived it up for a few yrs. Im going out on a limb crea jr flips like the kid in chicago. Boring sunday watching the travel channel joe tadaro the buffalo boss was on bizzare foods. He a made guy? He seems nice crazy he was boss in the 80tys when fat tony salerno told them were the big boys in nyc.

i figured that truscello would have been retired by now. wonder how active he was. he was always close with crea. also figured that the guy datello would have been a capo by now. i wonder how this case was made, because the crown jewel is the meldish murder and londonio and the guy caldwell obviously didnt flip... wonder if there is another informant ?

They didn't get Joe C, Blue Eyes, Big Joey, or Fat Pete so the Lucchese are actually in good shape. I have always thought that Joe D is a Capo but with no soldiers under him as he served as a messenger between the Lucchese and Amuso. Tindaro Corso is with the Lucchese? I thought he belonged to Italy and only a soldier.

Has any of the guys been taking out of mcc at midnight yet?i think the last time that many members of one family were taking down was massino and them and those guys turnt fast.

The Jersey faction is much closer to the Bronx/Westchester faction than to Brooklyn. Especially in construction and trucking, which is that family's bread and butter. Time will tell. And I predict a heavyweight (who has been unhappy for some time) is gonna turn. Call it a hunch.

John Castelucci? If someone is going to flip it will be someone from the Bronx.

the guy who flipped may not have been indicted..anyone missing off the street?

Ding, ding, ding. A winner. No wonder you and I always got along so well. Good seeing you here, old friend. Talk soon.

how you been my friend? in fla. or da bronx

In Florida. Recently made two posts in the Pizzaboy thread explaining things. One last week. One earlier tonight. I'm down here most of the time since I lost the old man. Lots going on. Much easier to build down here during the off season. But look who I'm telling lol.

sorry about your father, i did not see those posts ill look now, lot of rain last few days, but south fla. needed it bad..booming here, i would love to have a concrete company about right now lol

You ain't kidding. I was up in Jupiter today. Underwater!

it won't mean much probably, but as a long time reader of this forum it is really awesome to see PizzaBoy posting again. Always was wondering if you'd return.

Thanks, Primo. It's hard to describe. But it's like a weight has been lifted. Now I'm not saying I'll be an every day contributor. But I'll pop in from time to time when I innocently overhear something over a cappuccino and a few pignoli cookies lol. Thanks again, buddy. You're a good man.

agree , stimulating , factual posts.. hope your doing better with your health concerns.. when your feeling ill , i prescribe for you to take two bundles of money and sleep for 6 to 8 hours. if you still feel ill take an additional two bundles..

For sure. I understand that. Haha and now I am hungry

Holy Sh*t.
How the hell are you mate?
Hope you are well. My condolences about your father.
Drop me a PM on the other board for a chat if you've the time.
Good to see you mate.
Speak soon.

Welcome back PB. Keep on keeping on.

Its fucking awesome to see you back , PB. How have you been? I hope all is well with you, man. And I'm truly sorry to hear about your old man.

Good to have you back PB, drop me a PM sometime

Was Bowat indicted? He's from the Bronx and has been unhappy I believe (didn't he side with the Brooklyn faction)? Unless I have my guys mixed up.

Bowat's from Harlem, pushing 80 years old and in the family's bad graces.

PB very sorry to hear that about your father , it's one of the hardest things I have ever gone through as you are experiencing .


And yes only time will tell who and where will rise to the top of the family obviously there is money being made and they don't want to lose what has taken so long to build , so I am sure someone will stand out pretty soon.

Good to hear from you !

PB , great to have you back , I've missed you my friend . Sorry to hear about your old man , email me and we can catch up

If Bowat's been kept out of the loop for this long how will he have details to rat , it would be all second hand news .

Not saying he was not a stepping stone the Feds used but it's just unlikely, more likely that one of the Bronx skippers or someone close to the Bronx guys from a different borough was busted and rolled.

Don't know if these guys are all on the street or were busted already in this indictment

But Capra, Di Simone, Giampa, Santorelli are all from the Bronx or partly.

Does anyone have a list of the Jersey skippers or Jersey made guys with a head on there shoulders that could be tied into the construction / Trucking end of this ?

Would be surprised if it's him but Migliore has barely had a mention in recent years, high ranking member who hasn't been pinched since the early 90's I don't think.

Bowat wasnt indicted , I dont believe.

So another quick skim of the indictmemt trucello and the consig dinapoli big charge is loan sharking. They guy from bk big john is loans and un taxed cigs. They are all charged with rico consp. Thou. The rest is all the bronx crea and his kid plus madonna charged with all murder shit which will be going to trial. I mena you think about it . Its just creas crew. The bk guy probaly had a joint racket with him. Maybe it would go to queens and bk or the golf guy avellino. They all say there retired its all bullshit. If they get that message from r
Prison they feel like there 40 yrs old again. Wasup pizza.

Great to have ya back PB

Deepest condolences PB....lost my Dad 7months ago-worst part of life....great to see you back on-keep that heart in order!!!!!

PB, Good to see you back my friend and sorry for the loss of your Father may he rest in peace.

How long has it been since Migliore been in the administration, and why was he removed from that ?

Read miglore was amuso first consig then he got 100 yrs for ract.. fliped his case got out in 92 then casso tried to kill him.

Amuso was in jail casso still free in 92. That when he was making a plan to take over the family. Then amuso shelved him in 93.

Ok .... But I thought Miglore was still there into the millennia ?

He flipped the 100 yr bid they called it the concrete club 2 or some shit maybe he was out on bail when they tried to kill him but he plead out to 10yrs. Old law new law i dont no but hes been a free man probaly since 2000 give or take.

I no were throwing out names how do you think could be the rat. This guy neil is super rich theres pic of his house and his pigeons clubs this guy is retired. The guy bowat just got out probaly on parole so i doubt crea and them would have him around plus that guys a lifer he wanted to start a war over the table at raos. He dont care if he dies n jail he just did like 20 even getting busted for selling herion in prison. Its gonna be a young guy.

I still dont think that it necessarily has to be someone who's unindicted who possibly flipped. I'd bet on Caldwell , but as seen in the Lenny Strollo situation, it may just be the black mob associate who holds his weight and takes it on the chin. But who knows at this point, it may just be someone who's still on the street. I dont think a guy like Migliore would give up the beans though, taking a plea isnt the same as ratting or giving up information on co-conspirators and friends, necessarily. I don't think the theory of it being Madonna holds much weight either.

Migliore retired in good graces by the entirety of NYC families, not just the Lucchese family. Bowat has been kept at arms length by a lot of members in the family cause of that table fiasco.

Not sure why so many of you think Caldwell is the one who flipped. He's clearly a shooter but I doubt he had access to the high level info the Feds wanted to put this together. Who do you guys think he can realistically implicate besides Londonio? Of course none of know for sure but IMO Caldwell is pretty unlikely.

Joseph fotti is the guy who has flipped , his brother guy fotti is a made guy and close to crea

Dom: where did you get this info ?

Capeci

Yeah capeci , everyone can stop speculating now and talking shite

In a thread that's got nothing to do with 'blacks'. You two still couldn't help yourselves.

Utterly laughable on a forum dedicated to (white) criminals. I bet you'd throw a fit if posters talked racist crap about Italians and their ways

Can't believe people are speculating on whether M Madonna is informing/co_operating. After the amount of jail time the guys done in stand up fashion.No way.

I also doubt the black guy awaiting trial has the inside knowledge to implicate this amount of top guys.

Maybe the individual who is ratting has been giving the Feds info on the sly, Ray Curto style, over a sustained period of time, perhaps prior to the circumstances in the inductment.

Foti, wore a wire before and after the Meldish murder and had access to and recorded conversations before the murder and continued to do so afterwards. According to Capeci, the feds also recorded jailhouse conversations that led to this indictment, he also mentions that the Feds had other informers which helped them build the case, but these informers outside of Foti, remain unnamed.

Thanks !

I agree dsd on those two . I can't stand getting involved in a pointless discussion and internet beefs over such nonsense , so I'll call myself out on that but it's comical how some individuals arrive at their knowledge base lol . Every race has every type of criminal so using ones own biased gernalizations and attempt to pass it off as fact needs to be called out at least once lol . Poverty , failure of local education system and lack of legit opportunities is what drives crime and crime culture, that's true here , with Italian Americans decades ago and wherever you are in the world .

I'm not a big welcome back type guy but welcome back PB lol and I'm sorry for your loss. It seems you and the old man did a lot of positive and successful things together and at the end of the day that's all that really matters

joseph foti huh? never heard of the guy, but it looks like theres a joseph foti who runs a couple contracting businesses downtown and up past the bronx.

i love this place and theres always a lotta good info, but i had to laugh at the speculation or Miglore being a CW. Come on...lol

there should have been 4-5 people who knew about the meldish murder. its crazy someone who doesnt even seem to be made can get wired up and catch guys talking about it.

feel bad for the londionio family and spouses a little... this dude gets busted like 10 years after his brother was all over the news for a shootout with the cops. Capeci is gospel more or less, but remember he had the older londonio guy as a bonnano solider/associate in an older article i remember.

another thing i wonder is if this will ripple to other families...because maybe they keep the construction money to themselves but for the most part all these guys work with guys from other families. the past 3 or so bronx busts had people who answer to different places all working together

Don't think anyone said Milore was the one that flipped it was just who would be high enough to know all the ins and outs thinking Crea would never let a associate know all !!!

Pizza a very knowledgeable poster mentioned it may be somebody up high and very powerful!!!

And Tommy was talking about someone else if you finish his post !


No one said Neil was a rat ... you are looking to far into it .

If pb told some of these guys that their mother was a rat, they would be walking to their mothers house with a shovel

@bigfella Please stay on topic. Good Capeci column this week. Interesting thread. I wonder who the other informants are.

"In addition to the tape recordings that Foti made, the government also used jailhouse recordings and court-authorized electronic surveillance during the lengthy investigation, prosecutors told Judge Seibel last week. The feds also used other informers in the probe, although their identities are still secret."

Joseph Fotti is only an associate, some of the details emerging indicates someone who is made set the wheels in motion, and it seems to becoming from a former member of the Purple Gang, or at least someone who has vast knowledge of that Gang.

Im sure the feds used that bronx guy rubeo who wore the wire against pat parello and merlino. Read he had joint card game with creas kid.

The trial will be fireworks. Vinny asoro trial for firebombing a car starts in august i wonder when there trial will be. These guys are old you think before the end of the year. I bet theyll have to split it up. To many defendants.

Or it could be exactly what Capeci said it was, Foti, recorded prison conversations and court approved wiretaps, that were placed that led them to all this information. As well as the unnamed informants Capeci mentioned whom may or may not be "former members of the Purple Gang". According to Capeci, it seems to be mostly the former, as opposed to what you're claiming. And at the time of Meldish's murder, the Purple Gang for the most part had ceased to exist. Meldish himself had no Purple Gang, he himself was a former member of the old "Purple Gang" group, but Meldish's group for the most part was his own little crew which consisted of guys who sold drugs specifically under his watch, if reports are correct .

^^^^^^ Crazy once someone is comfortable talking around one or one sees people that they trust talking to that person all common sense goes out the window and that's how theses guys get hurt.

I remember hearing shit that no one should of herd and would hear it at a bar .

The night Yogi got knocked down he was drinking so much Phil got wind of it a block away and came to the cafe and set him right , Yogi was saying shit that could of got him hurt and if the wrong people herd it he would have.

Some of these guys think it's nothing to tell there boys and look where it's got them.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens, members on the other forum has raised some valid points about Crea, opening up the possibility that he may just flip. He was a target of Casso, Georgie Neck, and Papagni. He was essentially the only Bronx guy on the ruling panel in the early 90s. And those guys feared that the power would ultimately shift back to The Bronx because Crea was basically the last man on the street. He's done plea deals in the past and has never really served substantial amounts of prison time. He was also the smart type who never wished to associate with his cohorts fearing being spotted and violating his parole guidelines. He almost reminds me of Massino considering that. And a plea doesnt seem to be a possibility for him in this situation, gonna be interesting nevertheless to see what develops from here on out.

I BELEIVE CREA FLIPS FOR NO OTHER REASON OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT HIS SON IS POTENTIALLY FACING THE DEATH PENALTY. CREA Jr LIVES IN A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE AND HAS NEVER BEEN CONVICTED AND IMPRISONED BEFORE. I BELEIVE IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE CANTARELLAS.

Wonder Boy is not going to flip. If this was in the early or mid 2000's, I would say there is a strong possibility. His name has popped up on this forum and the Black***** forum a few times (a nod to HairyKnuckles for identifying his rank in the 90's) he was the one that allegedly had a talk with Crea, Migliore, and DiNapoli in Rochelle and almost right after that rumored meeting, the violence in the Lucchese family went way down, and the profits went way up according to LE.

I don't see Crea flipping but if he did then wow as he would likely have a ton on some of the Genovese Bronx and NJ construction guys . I still don't see that happening as he was close to Madonna . Anyone know if Matt had someone close to him flip ? As he doesn't seem like the type to talk serious crimes to a member he wasn't absolutely sure of like Crea. The brother of the made Bronx guy with construction business makes sense as people might of felt ok talking in front of him if his brother did given who he likely was with .

This is just a huge bust that can go really deep if a big time Bronx construction guy talks . These guys must have been doing a ton of real estate and similar stuff and I bet there are loads of monster construction deals in NYC that they were apart of. Right now they are finishing up a big hotel deal in lower Manhatten that had to be well over $50M. I think some of these construction guys got real big again on the DL

Still it's very surprising the Feds could get a murder rap back to the bosses , something seems up . I can't see that every happening with the west side and it's probably going to be very hard to stick anything on Barney unless his front flips

Personally if someone flipped I think it's a Brooklyn Luchesse made guy as I can see a bunch of those guys being unhappy and if one got pinched he probably didn't have bail , lawyer or $ for his family .

I think thats part of the whole possibility of someone like Crea flipping, is the fact that they're facing murder charges. Its also just what you said DB, its surprising that the feds were able to connect a murder back to those top guys.

isnt the guy Anthony Croce the capo for Joe Datello? is he retired/inactive? if not, i wonder why hes missing here. how can one of your soliders get indicted for attempted murder but not you, in an "up the chain" type racketeering indictment?

Interesting posts fellas thanks for sharing and again welcome back ob

How does John Castelle fit into all this do u think? I know he lost his kid to oxy od in jail last year which is a shame, but wondering more about him since hes a BK/staten island lucchese capo?

Croce"s Son died 3 years ago also. Not sure how he passed. RIP

I'm pretty sure that the soldiers listed in the indictments are under the capos or acting capos listed in the indictment. If a captain isn't listed, odds are the soldier wasn't under that guy at the time of the indictment. Like the supposed "fresh street talk" that was often mentioned on this forum had Londonio under some other named capo or him being a capo himself, when the actual indictment showed that that talk was wrong and Londonio was a soldier under Crea Jr.

yeah i figured. figured he was probably inactive , but i wonder who datello was under if he did get switched and/or croce is inactive. i swear i remember reading (i could be wrong) in GL before they got him on the murder (first it was a gun charge) that they mistakenly ID'ed Londonio as a Bonanno solider under Patty Maiorino. but i think the chips fell and we found out maiorino was a solider and londonio was with the luccheses

Big Joe Datello might just be a Capo right now as he was always a high level soldier going back more than 20 years. If Create has major Juice in Construction and the unions Joe is almost his equal regarding the unions and the construction industry. Joes extended family are and were Major heavyweights in a number of the labor unions,Especially Local 20 Concrete union Local 18a and a handful of others.His brother Carmine controlled local 20 for many years along with cousins and others who held major positions until he was forced to resign and retire just a few years ago, He still pulls the strings from behind the scenes.Big Joe was also basically Crea's right hand man and partner,The two are and always have been connected at the hip and one was always seen with the other. If he's not a Capo he definitely answers directly to Create and is under Create sr !

Big Joe also has a son who is big in local 20 and has control of 2 Big companies,One involved in Plumbing and the other a concrete company,He changed his name and uses his mothers name !

he's just been indicted as a soldier , so he's NOT a capo , he is in dom truscello's crew . It's in the indictment

Should have worded that different, What I meant is I'm surprised he's not a Capo at this point in time,And provably because the guy has been in and out of every jail and prison over the last,Almost 20 years

You didnt mean to word anything different, someone else once again proved you were wrong via what the indictment actually says and you attempted to change your story. Hes NOT Crea Sr's equal at all, hes been indicted as a soldier and is under Truscello, another capo listed in the indictment, hence he DOESNT answer directly to Crea Sr. Crea Sr is an underboss and was indicted as such. Try reading the indictment and learn the facts instead of doing your usual and making things up.

Ohhhhhhh OK if that's what I meant, I am so so sooo very sorry to offend you sir !! If you go back the last 20 plus years and do a lil reading and research it is very clear to see that Joe is constantly with Crea !! Especially the 2000-2001 indictment,Joe regularly reports directly to CreA ,And rightfully so since Datello and his extended family hold many key positions in a number of unions and ownership/Ties to many large and small businesses

Correct.

This recent 2017 Lucchese bust and indictment says you're wrong and that Datello is under, as in, a part of the crew of, Truscello. So you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. In fact, theres only one charge in the indictment that directly links Datello with Crea Sr. And thats the attempt to find and possibly murder the CW in New Hampshire. And we dont even know the context of that as it only says Datello was given Crea's blessing for that act . A blessing that he couldve gotten through his captain, seeing as he's a soldier and all.

Either way, Crea gave his blessing on it. Datello might not have gotten Truscello passing the order, but got it directly from Crea, would not be the first time a boss broke protocol with a trusted soldier in the family.

You just repeated what I just said. I didnt say he couldnt of, I said he just couldve as easily gotten it through his captain, we dont know the context, so theres no way to tell. Crea giving his blessing for the act does NOT have to mean that he's who Datello directly answers to. Considering that seems to be the only charge linking the two and the indictment making clear the fact that Datello is in the crew headed by Truscello.

I don't recall saying that Datello is not in Truscello's crew, only saying that Steve and Joe have a long history together, so it is possible that the Capo was cut out from that order. Crea Snr ordered it anyway.

.....Uh huh.

Does Truscello still reside on Prince Street in Little Italy?

Excuse me: NOLITA

Who gives a fuck were mr justsaynos from. Im from worcester ma its a dump i guess ray patrarica was born here it between boston in springfield we have a sister city in england who gives afuck state your opion n move on. I think 1 person who was indicted for murder flips in this indictment cause they no theres freedom on the otherside. Theres a colombo guy who killed a cop and im pretty sure hes free cause that shit was swept under the rug. Its a message board relax.

I think so, he has been spotted around the bowery and Little Italy, so if he does not reside on Prince Street, then at least be still lives in the general area.

What are you talking about, pmac?

Wow. he must have the sweetest rent control deal on earth or own a building. If he does own the building, I'd hate to be a yupster coming to him light on the rent.

Exactly as Pmac is saying.

truscello lives in wayne, NJ . i believe he owns real estate downtown.. prince, lafayette, those streets down there near little italy. he used to own the place across from al d'arco's old restarurant (this was mentioned in the d'arco book) the places these guys used to hang out at on prince street are long gone. the ray's pizza on prince that was started by the lucchese guy closed a long time ago and its open as Prince Street Pizza now, lines out the door down the block. pizza there is 10x better than the ray's was

Pepperoni square

Guys should stop taking this shit so seriously.

You would swear it's a Hadron Collider forum or something.

That doesnt answer my question. I only asked because I dont recall anyone mentioning where mrjustsayno is from for the past three pages, or at all personally.

Dom Truscello hasnt lived in Wayne for over 5 years. He is is back in new york.

Who do you guys think is going to replace Truscello and Castelle and even Crea in their positions if they get significant time?

Also Was wondering about Crea Jr,s crew.. anyone know whos in it?

Christopher Londonio is one, if Londonio is in it, which is claimed as such in the indictment, then you'd have to assume Caldwell is as well, since Caldwell takes orders from Londonio, being an associate.

damn didnt know that, one of the articles about the bust said "dom truscello of wayne, nj" . kinda funny if he moved back downtown to soho in his 80s from a big suburban house in jersey. where in NY is he? the city?

yup thats the one lol. one of my favorite slices around

Staten island.

Been a few weeks no one disappeared out of the federal lock up yet. The feds must have told the black guy we can let you out today and will push for no time even thou they got him on camera shooting the bonannno soldier in harlem and his phones pings at the meldish hit. That a broad brush stroke or whatever the fuck that saying is to charge 6 guys with one murder. So they got madonna tell crea tye underboss who tells his son a capo who tells the soldier who goes with the black guy. Thats gonna be hard and the defense will scream drug deal gone bad. How pissed is the bonanno bosses that tue luchese let a black dude hit one of them. That guy the nose in jail must be pissed whats he got 1 yr left.

Jerry wrote a good gangland today. So meldish was making moves on nose manocuso girlfriend he orders a bonanno soldier to give him a beat down in front of a whole bunch of guys infront of raos even the cops see it. The cops go to madonna tell him no to retaliate. Madonna says ok meldish is pissed goes on the stango the baker hit in harlem leaves his black friend caldwell at the seen. Couple months later madonna says anuff of meldish and his friends whack him. The feds layed/leaked this to capeci. Makes sense.

ALSO bonanno oldtime lengend vincent asoro will be pleading out anyday to like 2 yrs or less. I guess gotti kid is also just gonna get a slap to run cuncurrent with his 8 yr state bid i was way off on his shit.

Is gangland news worth paying for? I allways respected Capeci but to take out my fucking credit card for LCN news is kinda crazy. Is that pretty much it for Meldish? Haha feel free to give me the cliff notes buddy

Little update from capeci blog today. Some made luchese guy son wore a wire at the mcc or mdc that how they probaly got that guy lodonio on a escape charge. And 2 other made guys brother fipped. But still hasnt been a domino effect of made guys ......yet.

why?

you know your luchese

did you know whitey smith

did you know whitey smith

Defense lawyer for crea and the lucheses got the trial pushed to Sept. The Brooklyn mdc conditions made it to difficult to prep for trial. No electricity and heat

Think the bonnano trial starts anyday. Everyone but joe c and porky z took pleas.

Fuckin bonnnanos talk more than a radio host on speed....

Some guy fliped. I forgot name already but he said he bought his button for 10k. He could be saying that to get whoever sponcerd him in trouble or shelved. But i wonder what the guy did to make him flip in yhe first place. His nickname was sharkey. Said the consig Esposito took the money for a button. Could be petty shit but why was he broke down from consig and they put porky z there. Should be a interesting trial

read capecis article looks like the meldish murder is falling apart. the judge is openingly questioning the gov about there witnesses. the main witness said his father did it then changed his story and got busted selling herion last month. madonna looks like he will get off and the others but crea sr. will get burried for shaking down some construction company that built a hospital in the bronx. the owner of the bussiness flipped

Yea still doesn’t look good for crea senior but it blows my mind sometimes how low the government will go with these rats. They don’t care who you are or what you did as long as you can give them someone high up in rank they will blow you for information.

Nother lil update from capecis site. A luchese soldier flipped last October. Pissini or something close. Guys only like 40yrs old. Hes saying he was made on staten island my matt madonna who cutt his finger with a huge knife and let him keep it. Guess hes set to testify against that guy boopsie. He came up in boopsie brothers crew. Guy did like 20yrs for a murder in high school it says from 89 to he got realesed in 07. Crazy made guys flip nowadays its like nothing. A guy in the bonannos fliped said he paid 10k for his button it barely made the press another recorded the induction nothing. Butt it goes to show matt madonna just keeps the training moving. He was inducting the perna brothers back in like 07 in new jersey. He gets around

Oh crea sr. Might get bail next week there case is fucked. The guy pissini said madonna inducted him in 2013. Madonna went to nj prison in like 2014. I wonder if crea took over as acting boss 2015 till he was locked up 2 yrs ago

Profile of Lucchese Mafia family boss Michael “Big Mike” DeSantis http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...ia-family-boss-michael-big-mike-desantis

That guy eugene castelle found guilty of the gambling and conspiracy. Should have took the year. Guess hes free on bail but they'll hammer him in September at sentencing

Not for nothing but he’s a fucking fool. 8-14 months was what he was offered. He should have took it. Fucking moron.

How do you not take the year???? Nothing is easy I get it but it’s a year...September comes quick

I remember running into him leaving my friend Val’s apartment near Bath Ave. I don’t know why maybe because we opened the door before he knocked but he looked spooked. You heard about Boobies and big John a lot back then. They had the club on bay 50th. I remember someone saying big John got made on his fathers deathbed but I can’t confirm if it’s true.

Do you remmeber where was the club exact? Was their father made or what?

Bay 50th between Bath and Cropsey Ave. It was right off Cropsey.

I believe Big Johns father was made but someone like bronx would know better then me. He knows a lot about the old neighborhood.

Okay thanks pal. Was it like a club or a bar?

You think Madonna and the guys going to trial told Castelle not to take the plea so the feds would have to expose who their rat is at his trial? Just thinking out loud... or do you think they already knew it was this Pennisi guy?

the feds took the guy off the street i read in oct. so basically hes a ghost. he was best friends with vic amuso son in law. so if he doesnt know were he is after 1 week he probaly asks the guys family or girl friend. then they know he flipped and is in witness program. so im guessing they knew he flipped 7,8 months ago.

So capeci wrote crea jrs taking a plea deal on everything but the meldish murder up to 13yrs. If he plead guilty to the murder he would have only gotten 10. Thats fucked by the DA trying to make the son break his dads spirit on going to trial on the murder. Guess they have a strong case on everything but the murder. The gov cant get anyone saying crea or madonna orderd it. Its all he said this that.

13 hmmm. For a first time bidder who lived a charmed life i would belive thats a stretch. Think he never been in prison till hea 48. 13 is what 11 with good time 10 5

Anything over 5yrs is def no bueno in my book.... although those 14mpnths in MCC mist have been a decent taste...

Thats were Epstein just killed himself correct sitte? That s just a conspiracy theory thread for another website. Disgusting vile pedophile he was the whole indictment and charges should have been brought 10 yrs ago atleast never mind the crimes in it are in like 2003 04 05. Hmmmm. I no that mcc place broke that guy anthony arillotta from springfield he said but you know that shitbag didnt want to do life for some genovese boss 2 hrs below springfield from the bronx. He said all the shit they tortured him. I think he flipped in like a. Week or 10days. Fish cafaro flipped there and probaly a dozen colombo guys. I no all the black folks were protesting this winter outside they didnt have heat for weeks. Funny strange story i read there was a minor earthquake in nyc a few yrs back and the boss andrew russo old guy was on a phone and they told everone back to there cells and he was def and on phone so they shot him with a bean bag

Yup- that sick fuck died there.... all u hear is how it’s hell on earth there....not in the sense of solitary confinement but condition-wise..... has to be a decent precursor to fed time...he’s pleading to some violent acts-no???? Wonder what designation the BOP gives him.....

Lol-just finished ur comment- those bean bags hurt...

Well if they give him 13 yrs i dont know i guess a medium somewhere for awhile even thou he didnt plead guilty to murder i think he did to a beating or 2. And hes a mafia guy. So theyll send him to like Allewwoord or dix or somewhere medium for a few years. I hate to bring this up all reapect to my old board member friend pizza but he get pissed when someone would mention crea jr was in the life.......

Probaly new him. Never know

Even little jr gotti only got 6 yrs first time around before his 5 retrials for bullshit

Side note. U have amazon prime watch gotti its not a bad as i thought. Free

Very sentimental, pmac. Junior is a fifty-something year old man, not a kid.

I never expected a plea for such a long stretch. This a decade behind bars. My expectation was 8 or 10 maximum. This tells me, despite the GangLand articles, there is stronger case than we presume. Thirteen years is a long time.

Son of mob underboss pleads guilty to racketeering, conspiring to whack mafia associate



Aug 20, 2019 7:50 PM



The son of a Luchese family underboss pleaded guilty to racketeering and murder conspiracy charges Tuesday, and faces a maximum of 13 years behind bars for his part in an attempt to have another mobster whacked.

Luchese captain Steven Crea Jr. admitted to plotting with his father, underboss Steven Crea, to kill Bonanno family associate Carl Ulzheimer in 2012 for dissing the elder Crea during a Bronx social club encounter.

Yonkers mobster Vincent Bruno failed to carry out the hit at Ulzheimer’s Bronx home, and the dispute was hashed out before he could try again. Bruno has since taken a plea deal.

A federal indictment accused the younger Crea of participating in the slaying of Michael Meldish, 62, the one-time co-leader of a homicidal crew called the Purple Gang, but he did not admit to the killing as part of his guilty plea Tuesday, his lawyers said.

“Our client did not enter a plea of guilty to the murder of Michael Meldish because he is not guilty of that conduct. In fact, he took more time rather than enter a plea to something that is not true,” said his lawyers, Joseph DiBenedetto and Seth Ginsburg in a statement Tuesday night.




Authorities found Meldish on Nov. 15, 2013, with a bullet to the head inside a parked Lincoln, the driver-side door still open.

Crea Jr., 46, passed a polygraph exam last November administered by retired FBI veteran Jeremiah Hanafin, best known for conducting a test on Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser, Christine Blasey Ford.




He entered his guilty plea in White Plains federal court Tuesday, pleading guilty to racketeering, murder conspiracy and attempted assault in aid of racketeering.

The case against his 72-year-old father is still pending.


https://www.nydailynews.com/new-yor...20-hyeiyvgprzgn5kljrjz7oemtqu-story.html

Is it just me or is stuff like this passive-aggressive and kind of childish?

Somebody "disrespects" Crea. Instead of handling it like an adult and talking to him man to man, telling him what's up, he runs to someone else and hires them to do his dirty work. Then, after outsourcing his beef, it predictably goes tits up and lands everyone in the mire. with the person it was outsourced to screwing up and turning out to be unreliable when the heat comes calling.

IDK. It just seems like a familiar refrain with these guys. Something trivial that could've been handled a lot better. We're talking about leadership here!

It's even worse than Crea and Baratta squabbling over a table in Rao's,

I'm reminded of Mr. Pink chastising Mr. White and Mr. Blonde in Reservoir Dogs.

Sometimes it’s better to just not speak.

It sounds like some serious disrespect by a low-level thug. You don't talk man to man with guys like that, you just smash their heads in. With Crea I guess he felt a shooting was in order.

I would imagine in that life it’s less about the actual disrespect from someone beneath your stature and more about making sure others around you who are at your level or slightly beneath understand exactly how you respond when tested.