"Who absolutely deserved to get whacked & who..

didn't?"

Ok nobody deserves to get killed but what I mean is. Someone like Gerard Pappa whacking a captain from a rival family without permission is just asking for trouble & that's exactly what happened to him

Or that guy who conspired to kidnap Vinny Gorgeous's son. Galante strongarmimg the family from Rusty

Now someone who didn't deserve it ie Buddy Luongo... whacked for simply being a power. Or Dibee just because Sammy wanted his business interests

Gus Farace, killed a DEA agent, and brought a ton of heat. Louie Milito shouldn't been hit, he was loyal, had a bunch of hits under his belt, money maker, and well liked.

Tommy DeSimone deserved it.

In my opinion Bobby Boriello didn't deserve to get hit. He ended up being whacked as part of the punishment for the unsanctioned Castellano hit. He was only at fault for being loyal to the Gotti's.

One guy who didn't deserve to get killed was that guy killed by Norman DuPont, he ran Gottis social club, another was Nicky Guido . I'm assuming the real Nicky Guido is still alive, I wonder how he feels about the whole thing. I can believe them nuts were doing a hit on Christmas day.

Mike Salerno, Lucchese from the Bronx definitely didn't seem to deserve it. Along with most of Gas and Vic's victims during their reign.

Deserved it : Harvey "Chris DeMeo" Rosenberg.


Absolutely, positively, didn't deserve it : Salvy Testa.

I always thought Big Paul didn't deserve it. He was the boss and the boss is the boss. Gotti's crew should've been annihilated. Ruggiero was Gotti's responsibility and they should've been dealt with accordingly.

Your right Frankg Salvie Testa did not deserve it at all. Loyal and stand up as they come.

Pasquale Spirito ("Pat the cat") didn't deserve it imo. If I got it right from the descriptions, Scarfo had him whacked because Spirito was reluctant to carry out too many hits and tried to compensate by being a good earner, but for Scarfo bringing money only wasn't enough. But, had Spirito been more violent instead, the paranoid Scarfo would surely have eliminated him as a perceived threat sooner or later, like Salvatore Testa (who was eliminated for even a more pathetic reason, although Testa deserved it imo, but that's from a normal citizen view, from the mafia standards Testa broke no rules).

As for the ones who definitely deserved to be whacked: Mad Sam DeStefano, Roy DeMeo. Would have been cool if Fiore Buccieri was whacked too, he was the most sadistic of them all I think, only Mad Sam beats him in this "quality".

Agreed, pat the cat saw the murderous madness of the Scara era and just wanted to be left alone/ make some money. Not have a big crew etc

They were too quick to murder, he could have just been read the riot act and demoted for not carrying out orders

Salvie's case is abit different- I agree he didn't deserve it since we all have relationship breakdowns

But when you're engaged to an underboss's daughter, and openly dating other woman then that is dangerous grounds

Boriello- wasn't he suspected of being a shooter in the Gas pipe attempt? Other than being close to Gotti I think that's why Gas wanted him too

How about Johnny Gongs- he was openly grabbing Merlino's wife and acting like a cowboy.

The thing about Pat the Cat Spirito was that he was straight up not following orders. Whether or not you agree or disagree with the Boss' orders, if you don't carry out the orders then that's a serious problem and against LCN rules. Now, if I were in Scarfo's shoes I would have had a serious conversation with Spirito and reiterated the consequences of not following orders, etc and then if he still was being subversive then he would have to go, but based on what we know he was just stalling on one murder and doing a little drunken trash talking. Still, Scarfo had every right within the guidelines of LCN and in Bruno's time he would have been given a second chance to straighten up and fall in and line and carry out orders, but in Scarfo's regime there were NO second chances.

Salvos Testa I agree should not have been murdered for the reasons he was. He was stupid for doing that to the Underboss' daughter. He did in fact do the right thing and seek Scarfo's permission to end the engagement. I truly believe if Scarfo told him not to break it off then he wouldn't have broken it off. It's also complicated on top of everything because everyone was backstabbing Salvie and telling Scarfo lies about what Salvie was doing. Scarfo isn't in the streets so he's got to take the word of his capos, etc. I still think that Salvie was such an asset to the Family and such a loyal Capo that Scarfo should have really examined it instead of killing him right away though. His so called "infractions" where not enough to kill him and outweighed his ultimate value to the Family, but at the same time based on the lies he was hearing combined with him jilting Chuckie's daughter, it technically was enough to justify a murder contract within LCN rules- I just feel it was a reckless and stupid hit in terms of wasting talent.

Johnny Gongs definitely deserved it. Being a Stanfa supported technically isn't enough to get whacked especially if pledged allegiance to Merlino & Crew after the fact, which other Stanfa loyalists did in fact do (Ron Previte for instance). The reason Gongs should have gotten whacked was his affair with Merlino's wife coupled with disrespecting Merlino in front of his crew while he was in jail in addition to reckless behavior on the streets (shooting up a member's house which I think was Phil Ligambi's house) and openly bragging about and discussing hits in public. He also was reckless by causing problems in bars and clubs (the Chico Barage stabbing and the 10th & O fight), which is the kind of behavior that brings unnecessary and unwanted heat the Family.

Ruby Stein.

Showed up on 10th Avenue to visit the westies who all owed him a fortune. Never seen again.

Ricky Tassiello - Jimmy Coonan butchered the kid over $1500 and then bragged to the kids father motioning with his hands how he carried it out. Didn't deserve it

Chris Rosenberg - All around bottom feeder, complete shit stain and waste of human life. Deserved everything he got and more

Roy DeMeo - Genuine, standup guy. Family man, great father and husband. Protected his neighborhood from vacuum salesmen out to pilfer cash for "college tuitions". Gave large majority of his victims the courtesy of being dismembered after death, as opposed to be left in the street like your everyday run-of-the-mill murder victim. Didn't deserve it.

Tony Bananas

Both deserved/ didn't deserve

Thought he had commission approval. Triple crossed by the Genovese

But deserved to die for carrying out a hit in a boss purely for greed

Here's something else to think about- who SHOULD have gotten whacked but didn't?

Scarfo- disrespected the underboss's daughter by calling her ugly and killing that Irish man over nothing. But luckily for him his uncles saved him

Sammy bull- was killing members for personal interests

Christopher Furnari should have been whacked, being a rapist. Not only he lived, but even became consigliere.

Sonny Franzese maybe should have been whacked too for the same reason, even though he is one of the most interesting mafia characters, apart from this fact. He wasn't convicted for the rape though, and I am not sure whether it was because of witness intimidation and/or lack of proof or was it just underworld gossip and he didn't do it at all, so here I am not really sure...

Then there was a mafioso from the earlier years of the Kansas City mafia, Paul Catanzaro. Should have been whacked right away, he killed a child in 1919, nobody testified and he enjoyed a long successful career in the mob, they even killed the child's father when he testified against Catanzaro and some others in another trial in the 40s. Catanzaro shouldn't have been allowed to live that long to even be a defendant in that trial.

Fiore Buccieri, as I said earlier. Killing is normal for the mafia, but being such a psycho to skin somebody alive for days only to find out he wasn't even an informant...Who needs such crazy trash, even in the mob? I could understand if they used him just for dirty work, like Mad Sam (who got the fate he deserved), but Buccieri became a high-ranking figure. If somebody like him became boss and one day woke up thinking "I feel like eating a child alive in the street while shooting at passerbys and dancing around"? How can a maniac be trusted with a high ranking position that involves responsibility?
Although there were several mobsters that did that torture/skinning alive murder, but Buccieri was the leader of the squad I think, so I listed only him. Or did Jackie Cerone supervise it? Correct me if I am wrong about this detail.

testa, longo, just about everyone gas and vic murdered

Thomas Uva and Rosemarie Uva that in 1992 robbed various mafia social clubs. Dom pizzonia killed them in December 1992.

Chris and Roy were both scum so they both desereved it

Mobsters aren't the arbiters of who should or shouldn't be killed.

That's my riposte to the mobsters who espouse the credo that they only killed bad people.

It's probably the fairytale people like Richard Cantarella, Greg Scarpa and Anthony Graziano told their daughters at night so they could sleep soundly in their diamond encrusted cots.



Fritzy Giovanella deserved to be whacked for the same reasons, but he ultimately didn't get whacked.

Milito and Di Bernardo were both victims of Gravano's machiavellian streak.

“John`s a double-crosser. I'm a master double-crosser."

Agreed. Paul was greedy no doubt BUT he ran the family correctly. he was in the shadows and he concentrated on white collar crimes. Lets be honest gotti and angelo were very lucky they had Neil. Neil was a respected Mafioso BUT he made several mistakes and was always under indictment which is why he would have made a bad boss. Lets put it this way if neil gave up John and angelo like he should have the mafia would probably be stronger today. Don't get me wrong I'm glad the mafia is weak nowadays but I'm just looking at their perspective

chris Rosenberg deserved it, roy demeo deserved it , salvy testa, didn.t deserve it, beginning of the end for scarfo. de simone deserved it, half the guys and women jimmy burke whacked didn't deserve it, as with roy de meo's victims, and scarfo's, and casso's these guys were serial killers posing as bosses, casso, scarfo, de meo, not a boss but a made guy serial killer, man who accidently ran over gotti's kid john favara didn't deserve to die, it was an accident, but gotti being gotti whacked the guy. some women didn't deserve to die,sherry golden killed by de meo hitter henry Borelli, Theresa ferrara, killed by de simone, foxy jethroes sister killed by de simone, angelo sepe's girlfriend joanne Lombardo killed by burke, what ever happened to honor in "this thing"

John gotti shouldnt have killed that old capo wgo i belive was from nyc but a transplant to new haven ct. He killed him cause the old guy was bitching about driving into lil italy once a week to report but im sure there was a few other thing to. But why not just bust him down to soldier. My ct friends was that the real reason he died. I also read he was a paul guy maybe he was under piccolo who paul let the genovese kill an gotti thought he was in on it.

About scarfo did he give anyone a pass? But ue seen the last 2 bosses before him whacked he wasnt letting shit slide. There was no other family on the east coast to loose 2 bosses in 2 yrs back to back. Scarfo was like fuck that im not going out trifecta.

Dibrizzi?

He was under indictment, but so was Paul. Had they lived to the sentencing, they would both have gotten 100 years like everybody else (at least there doesn't seem to be any reason to suppose their outcome would have been different from the rest), so this specific factor was a disadvantage for both, not just Neil.

yes I know Paul was under indictment that wasn't my point. Paul didn't get noticed by the FBI until Angelo's wiretaps. The point was that Neil should have given up john and angelo because they caused more damage in the longrun

damn right !

If "Big Paul" had not taken out Roy Demeo, Gotti never would of made a move against Him. Especially if Nino Gaggi was still active. Gotti's reign as Boss would of lasted one Month.