New Philly Street Boss ?

I heard Mikey Lance is the Acting Boss now. Does anyone know the hierarchy of the Family ? also a 2017 chart would be cool. One with Narducci n Pung crew members and associates.

Gene theres a million threads on this just probaly have to do the search thing. 100 dollar question you think joe merlino trusts any of the scarfo inducted guys besides uncle joe to tap as his acting boss? Probaly not hes got 20 loyal guys who went to war with john stanfa. But i think the philly mob is probaly seeing a good resurgence. Since the indictments went natale fliped which is over 15 yrs ago. Philly is the second biggest city on the east coast that a lotta money them guys got to them shelves. No lther familes to fight or cutt with except All new jersey.

Philly LCN has all of South Jersey and a crew in North Jersey as well. The North Jersey crew is basically a sportsbook operation based in the Newark suburbs but extremely profitable. Keep in mind that New Jersey has 7 LCN families operating in the state for a piece of the underworld economy.

Can anyone tell me threads that have Philly's chart n know the hierarchy n new made members.

Borgesi crew got his brother, David salvo, n who else.

The other Salvo brother is as well.

I guess it depends on if Gaeton Lucibello also has a crew or Marty Angelina's, if at all. Lance's crew is easily the largest in South Philly.

Any word on who took over Staino's crew in South Jersey? Sonny Mazzone was rumored at one point but I think Lucibello was in prison at that time.

According to Merlino, Mikey Lance is his "main man" in Philly. Take that to mean whatever you will.

Who did the Scarfo guys that are back really align with ?
Joe Grande is with Licata,Chickie Chang Sr. was called Consigliere but J. Chang was really doing it. Narducci n Joe Pung have there own crews,Scafidi n Milano are with Pung I think ? I don't know what Faffy Ianella or Charlie White is behind or active, plus who did Phil Narducci have made ?
I think maybe Joey Baldino.

Narducci crew apparently is his brother and 10th and Oregon guys. Baldino is possible. I think he's related to them, they also work at Philips Steaks, which he owned or once owned. Joey Pung with his brother, Scafidi and Milano if either are active. Pungitore is highly involved in real estate.

There has been no indication that Charlie White or Faffy are active. Charlie's kid, Chaz is active.

Skinny did not think this case was going to fall apart and I just herd it's worse for the Feds and other LE then first reported.

He was making changes from top spots and the moves were to put his strongest up front and also give the old Scarfo guys headway .

Looks to me Faffy most likely will get a crew with Lance and Phil N moving up , lets see how it plays out

But to me looks like he started covering his ass while he was away knowing the old crew was / is gaining strength in numbers .

Even though Georgie and uncle Joe were with Skinny they also were very very tight with the old crew (and still are) only time will tell.

Actually DM I have no concrete info to back it up other than feel but I think the WS has far more activity , especially bookmaking and lending then Philly in South Jersey.

Also the Gambinos , Bonnano , Colombo had NJ activity into the 90s but personally i don't think any of them have any real action going on today. Maybe a few interests here and there but not much else IMO, ( that includes the longtime Bonnano guy in NA that used to book in Bayonne area). It's basically WS that run things with Luchesse having a large book, loans, and some drug shit here and there . Philly some book and Decav a lil bit of everything I suppose but smaller scale.

That 7 family thing is stale back of the day stuff IMO but I could be wrong

Like in put in another thread i was at wells fargo bank on oregon ave other day next to the diner and I saw all of them rolling out from whatever and georgie was the main guy w ppl around, i was told they have new "clubhouse" in that area of s philly, but they could all be in legitimate real estate stuff and run books in philly... i mean oxys and stuff isa big business there could be involved in that

@Irish- Just to clarify, Phil Narducci has been estranged from his sisters family which includes his two nephews Frank and Joseph. Joe Baldino was most likely made in the fall, but contrary to some reports it was not a conciliatory gesture to Phil, but instead it was Johnny Chang who proposed him and Joe Baldino is apparently one of Johnny Chang's younger guys. The Baldino's and Chang's are neighbors over on Syndenham St in Packer Park and thus became close. Phil and Johnny Chang got into some sort of beef while Phil was finishing up his prison sentence and apparently Johnny Chang and Phil have been at odds ever since, which is why Phil left the steak shop and the night club Encore that he was helping with a few years ago. There's also been reports of Joe Baldino and Phil having a somewhat violent/physical interaction.

@Serp- What do you mean by Phil Narducci moving up? I was sort of under the impression that he wasn't affiliated with the family so much any more and sort of operates autonomously with the 10th & O guys (John Garbarino, etc). Unless it's just a Merlino thing with Phil and once Joey is out of the picture or not really involved on a day-to-day basis would he then re-emerge and re-enter the picture with the family and become more involved and hence "move into a higher position within the family structure"? Just curious what exactly you mean with Phil post-Merlino's indictment and how he'd potentially fit in, etc?

PHL_MOB

Been hearing a few things but now with that case possibly blowing up things may be different.

And moving up may have been the wrong word for Phil not Lance, more like Skinny may have or is trying to keep or move toward uniting the family the way it should be .

Like I said let's see how it plays out .

Have to remember if Faffy gets a crew the old guys will be interacting and who knows but it better for Skinny to be one step ahead .

It's hard to believe this family is so strong after the 80s and war in the 90s. It destroyed the Colombos. Phily FBI field office is a joke.

True and good amount of guys on the street with no visible fighting, they all must be making money cos if not there would be big problems.

Skinny living like a hedge fund CEO living in
Houses that go for 8,000 to 12,000 a month and the cars that are as expensive as the houses no matter who owns them sill money .

Could anyone make a new chart ?

Is Marty Curro, Joey Bongiovanni , Gennarro Boccia still around ? N if they are who are they with

Anyone hear anything on who stabbed Billy Bones.. streets have been quiet...

Faffy Ianerella has been quiet since coming home....

DB
When you say bonanno guy you obviously mean JS ..

People keep on mentioning the fact that this Baldino kid is a member now. I don't have any clue whatsoever where this came from. All I keep hearing about is how hated this kid is and how him and his mother ratted on their uncles and robbed their business from them. I do not think this would be a good showing of faith to make a guy a member when he ratted on other members. This Baldino kid is all junked up and on steroids. As far as any beef Narducci has with John Chang from what I understand it's bc Chang sided with this Baldino kid against the Narducci brothers. I know that all the other wise guys can't stand this kid or Chang either. They say he's a money hungry guy. So please do your homework before you write anything on this forum

PHL_MOB is not the type of guy to talk shit , he must of herd or known something for him to post what he posted .

He is also one of the best Philly posters on the board !!!

I think its been said before i read in capecis column about how joey brought mike lance to the genovese xmis party in dec 2014 an said this is my guy in philly. Not uncle joe or that guy mazzone who many posters thought were in control for joey. Or maybe joey was throwing a curve ball at the westside guys and to keep more more for himself and lance and not have to cutt in the other sphilly big guys. Again joey knows what hes doing in tye lcn politic stuff. It will be shocking if he walks from this indictment unscathed. It will make him a legend in these days.

Anyone be able to make a list of Updated Family members ?
Also, I like to see List of Making Ceremonies with the year and names of all men inducted into the Philly Family !!

It's also a pssibilty Lance was the point man on the joint operations Philly has with the west side. Joey's comment could mean a lot of things.

Aces - I hit you up on a PM

Georgie Boy.

I have my doubts Narducci is involved with the Philly family anymore, same with Pungitore and a few the other guys released the last few years. I could be totally wrong though. The faces I see on the street are Lance, Georgie Boy, and Dom Grande. I think the Scarfo guys are too well off to screw around with the Merlino guys.

Another thing that always baffled me want the rumour the Gong brothers were the ones who hit Long John. I can't see Ligambi, a level headed guy using those two to do a hit. The one brother, the living one see some to be solid, I heard he is doing well for himself up in NYC. The want who got clipped seemed like a loose cannon, a buffoon, not someone Ligambi would use to take out a big fish like Long John.

then you have niccodemo and grande on their screw up

Obviously I don't know who did the Long John hit. Ligambi seems like a level headed guy, so I would be surprised he used the Gong boys, with the deceased one being a loose canon. Then killing one of them you have to hope the other doesn't become a rat. A lot of guys were in prison at that time, so it lessens the possible suspects. Maybe we find out one day, bit wouldn't hold my breath.

There is a ton of legit money to be made in philly esp with east passyunk being revitalized and west washington ave towards the schukyhill, then you have all that construction in center city and old town near the delaware, point is with hooks in the union and legit money involved with all levels of the construction industry, this could be a huge money making time for the people in the philly family, where they can stay away from the street crimes that get them in prison for 20 years, aside from the bookmaking that is a big money maker but the feds have a tough time getting a degenerate to trace a costa rican acct all the way back to 11th and jackson....the people who run the city are getting paid so i am guessing the s philly guys are too with the construction boom

I'm born raised and still live in South Philly. I don't have any inside info, but I doubt guys like the Narducci's or Punges are too deep in life because they have money. They got legitimate ways to make money. There are other guys involved in the life because that's all they got, they don't know how to make a legitimate buck. I doubt they are involved in any construction the exception being flipping houses here and there. I believe Niccodemo had a nice realestate portfolio before he went down. Stevie Snitch does some flipping, but it has to be for someone as he's a brokester. There is money our there and always will be, the problem is the people with money aren't betting games and shit like that, it's the squares with money. The average street guy had more money 20 years ago then he does now.

These guys are probaly doing all types of money laundering lying on bank loan applications. Cash structuring crime shit. Taking dirty money making it appear legit.

It's all most impossible to be a x gangster and become legit Phil and Pung are masters of the game !

You are right on one thing you will not see them on the street like George totally different type of gangster.

Don't think for one minute that nothing is going on , there are slow times and there are times they are making moves.


But there is big money out there to be made and it's in the almost legitimate world where the boys you are speaking of live!!!

I mean if madoff etc, can "legally" have a hedge fund and grab 50 million I'm sure these guys are attached to companies in philly that are siphoning off cash in the almost legit world like you said

I'm not so sure if Salvo is in the mix and his brother, who is always out downtown, usually has the same crew of guys around him that I don't even think are from South Philly or involved.

Serp...or anyone...the way things are portrayed , do u feel Phil and pung stand on same side of the fence?

I think Pung probably kicks up something and is "cool" with the Merlino guys and works with the Admin. When the wives and sons/daughters are all cool with each other then that usually means the men are good too or at least amicable, which they are (Joe Pung's niece/Ralph's daughter dates Chang's nephew/Frank DePasquale's son for instance... And she's a dime too btw). I don't think he wants any trouble and just wants to be able to do his thing without getting hassled. I think Phil Narducci is less pragmatic than Joe Pung and has a bigger chip on his shoulder amongst other things. He'd rather not earn to full capacity if it meant kicking up or working with Merlino. He probably has a decent amount of money already so he can get away with acting like that because he's not desperate. Back to Joe Pung, I further my point because of how he acted with Joe Grande in the can which was in the Fizzini detention memo (read it if you haven't- lots of good info). You have to remember that while Joe Pung doesn't want heat and most likely wouldn't go around shooting for Merlino at the drop of a dime just to risk going back to the can after re-establishing himself out here, he is still political and knows LCN politics. People said even Joe Pung was talking in Scarfo's ear on Del Giorno before he was brought down as well as on Chuckie before he was brought down. He killed his boy Salvie. He gets it and will make moves as necessary to maintain his position and ability to maintain good standing, which is what you saw in that whole beef with Joe Grande where he went to Ligambi for permission to have Joe Grande killed when they got out. Quite frankly that's why I think Grande is really with the North Jersey guys right now... To keep him away from Pung and avoid any incidents. These guys don't want a war and they're gonna do whatever they can to avoid it. Hence why Pung said fine I'll go along with Uncle Joe and the party line (he literally said he backed Ligambi and that Joe Grande was still behind Scarfo) and Phil was like nope I don't want any parts of it leave me alone and I'll leave you alone and wont make any moves for the top spot (that could change once Merlino gets locked up eventually though). Phils already proven himself though he isn't looking to have a shooting war 3-4 years out of the can and recently married. He's playing it smart too cuz he's making a powerful point while knowing that Merlino and most of his guys will eventually go away for good (odds are sooner than later), which he can then make a move for one of the top spots without shooting a single bullet and using his rep and backing solely.

Thanks phl.... great info..I tend to agree, although I do tend to think Phil and the Merlino guys are a little more amicable then most think

Totally agree Biggie, but I would say Phil isn't a Capo under Merlino kicking up. Just don't think he'd do it. Friendly/Amicable/Not causing problems- yes definitely.

PHL_MOB

Good stuff and you are thinking right and Skinny is thinking the same thing and trying to keep them close with Faffy now possibly throwing a wrench into the whole thing and tipping it over to the now old guys .

This is if Skinny goes away but one way or another the feds want him gone so this is inevitable .

One more thing if anything was to happen it would not be hard to get Georgie to come to the dark side ???

Do u anticipate that "wrench" being thrown Serp??

Great post, PHL_Mob.

Not with that case falling apart , Skinny has known about this case all the way back when Eddie Jacobs went down to see him ... the is a picture of them smoking a cigar and I think that's the first time Skinny herd there was a informant and he was caught on wire.

He thought he was done and going away for a long time and from what I hear started making things right from Georgie to Lance to the old Scarfo guys .

Now the case my fall apart so who knows .