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Posted By: MeyerLansky

Michael franseze crew - 12/16/16 08:27 PM

Who were the soldiers in his crew ?
Posted By: irishkaos

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/16/16 08:47 PM

I've always wondered this also, and who took over his crew?
Posted By: MeyerLansky

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/16/16 09:03 PM

Originally Posted By: irishkaos
I've always wondered this also, and who took over his crew?

Well let's wait for the Experts to answer that wink
Posted By: MeyerLansky

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/17/16 03:27 PM

???
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/20/16 06:50 AM

Larry Carozzo was one.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/20/16 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Larry Carozzo was one.


Not for more.

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2011/03/nothing-personal-debuts-with-story-of.html

Larry (Champagne) Carrozza--a Brooklyn embalmer with a taste for the good life, including his trademark champagne--once was Franzese's best friend. They drank together and gambled in Las Vegas together. Carrozza was the godfather of three of Franzese's children, and he was the godfather of one of Carrozza's.
But in 1983, Franzese learned that Carrozza, a married man, was having an affair with Franzese's sister and had become involved with drugs. Franzese said the mob had discovered both and had ordered Carrozza's assassination. In his book, Franzese says he tried to warn his friend, but that Carrozza ignored him."

On May 20, 1983, Carrozza's body was found with one bullet hole behind his right ear.

Police noticed that, because there were no signs indicative of a struggle, the killer likely was someone Carrozza knew and trusted.

"Franzese says he did not do it. Some agents and prosecutors wonder about that," the LA Times reported.




In his autobiography, Franzese, seen above, wrote that many blamed him for the murder, some because his father, John "Sonny" Franzese, allegedly ordered it.

Michael Franzese has never been charged in that or any other killing.
Posted By: MeyerLansky

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/20/16 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Larry Carozzo was one.


Not for more.

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2011/03/nothing-personal-debuts-with-story-of.html

Larry (Champagne) Carrozza--a Brooklyn embalmer with a taste for the good life, including his trademark champagne--once was Franzese's best friend. They drank together and gambled in Las Vegas together. Carrozza was the godfather of three of Franzese's children, and he was the godfather of one of Carrozza's.
But in 1983, Franzese learned that Carrozza, a married man, was having an affair with Franzese's sister and had become involved with drugs. Franzese said the mob had discovered both and had ordered Carrozza's assassination. In his book, Franzese says he tried to warn his friend, but that Carrozza ignored him."

On May 20, 1983, Carrozza's body was found with one bullet hole behind his right ear.

Police noticed that, because there were no signs indicative of a struggle, the killer likely was someone Carrozza knew and trusted.

"Franzese says he did not do it. Some agents and prosecutors wonder about that," the LA Times reported.




In his autobiography, Franzese, seen above, wrote that many blamed him for the murder, some because his father, John "Sonny" Franzese, allegedly ordered it.

Michael Franzese has never been charged in that or any other killing.

Ive waited for your comment smile Thanks.
Do you maybe know about members in his crew ?
Posted By: pmac

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/20/16 07:40 PM

My guess all the long island guy who were in his fathers crew cause basically he ran his fathers crew well he was locked up during the 70tys. Surprisingly carmine persico must have made him a capo when perisco took over as official boss of the family in 1981. I never heard michael ever talk about the persico family in all his interviews n books. Probaly smart to let sleeping dogs lay. Or whatever that saying is.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/20/16 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: MeyerLansky
Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Larry Carozzo was one.


Not for more.

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2011/03/nothing-personal-debuts-with-story-of.html

Larry (Champagne) Carrozza--a Brooklyn embalmer with a taste for the good life, including his trademark champagne--once was Franzese's best friend. They drank together and gambled in Las Vegas together. Carrozza was the godfather of three of Franzese's children, and he was the godfather of one of Carrozza's.
But in 1983, Franzese learned that Carrozza, a married man, was having an affair with Franzese's sister and had become involved with drugs. Franzese said the mob had discovered both and had ordered Carrozza's assassination. In his book, Franzese says he tried to warn his friend, but that Carrozza ignored him."

On May 20, 1983, Carrozza's body was found with one bullet hole behind his right ear.

Police noticed that, because there were no signs indicative of a struggle, the killer likely was someone Carrozza knew and trusted.

"Franzese says he did not do it. Some agents and prosecutors wonder about that," the LA Times reported.




In his autobiography, Franzese, seen above, wrote that many blamed him for the murder, some because his father, John "Sonny" Franzese, allegedly ordered it.

Michael Franzese has never been charged in that or any other killing.

Ive waited for your comment smile Thanks.
Do you maybe know about members in his crew ?


Unfortunately not. But maybe michael run his father crew and was capo only in the name focused only on white collar crime and the gasoline bussiness.
Posted By: AllDay27

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/20/16 08:26 PM

I wonder if Michael never walks away where the he and Sonny would have sided in the third war and if they might have became a rival faction of the Persico's themselves
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/20/16 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: AllDay27
I wonder if Michael never walks away where the he and Sonny would have sided in the third war and if they might have became a rival faction of the Persico's themselves


Michael would be killed for hit his father or would flip when started the war,he wasnt a killer like his dad.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/20/16 08:30 PM

http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas_Genovese

Another Franzese crew member Thomas Genovese whacked in 1979.
Posted By: oldirtyfishkilla

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/21/16 01:52 AM

Most of your answers can be found in this article: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/1991/02/john-gotti-joe-columbo-fbi-investigation-witness
Posted By: MeyerLansky

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/21/16 06:08 AM

Originally Posted By: oldirtyfishkilla

Thank you !
Posted By: pmac

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/21/16 05:24 PM

Great article. Names somes of the made guys in his crew. So after his father violated parole in 82 persico named michael a capo. Read in scarpa files the colombo family tried having 6guys to one capo. But scarpa said his capo scarpetti had the biggest crew. Didnt know he was tom dibellas driver. Must have been close to gerry lang who was acting boss around 82. Think carmine went back to prison for bribing a guard or something.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/21/16 05:30 PM

Also like how he explains the gotti situation about the flea market. How capeci got it wrong that you cant talk to another made guy at a sitdown like they wrote. And carmine would have flipped. I believe that story cause 25yrs later he still tells it and nothing changes. Gotti bought him out and it looked like gotti won but 4months later the place folded. Also like his moms take saying he failed in the crime life so he went to jesus to be excepted cause he couldnt cutt it. Thats cold from your own mom dammmmm. He must have told the feds everything but told them he would never take the stand against any made guys in nyc.
Posted By: Sal_Bronte

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/21/16 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
Also like how he explains the gotti situation about the flea market. How capeci got it wrong that you cant talk to another made guy at a sitdown like they wrote. And carmine would have flipped. I believe that story cause 25yrs later he still tells it and nothing changes. Gotti bought him out and it looked like gotti won but 4months later the place folded. Also like his moms take saying he failed in the crime life so he went to jesus to be excepted cause he couldnt cutt it. Thats cold from your own mom dammmmm. He must have told the feds everything but told them he would never take the stand against any made guys in nyc.


he's changed the amount of money Gotti paid tho, it says 70k in the article but in one of those docs hes on he says 250k. its also strange that his mom disowned him and stuck up for Sonny, but years later was fiercely protective of John Jr when he took the stand against Sonny. even got into Sonny's face in the courthouse about it blaming him. what I didnt know previously to the article was that both Michael and Sonny had kids from past relationships. I take it none of them got involved in that life. also really interesting how he played the feds and kept whatever money he had stashed.

I know this is a reach but it wouldnt be shocking if Carmine and little Ally make him pay some kind of a tax to talk about the things he talks about with no retribution.
Posted By: Tommydesimone44

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/21/16 08:30 PM

Go to dailymotion.com and type in the show " Nothing Personal " episode popping champagne. It's allmabout what happened to Larry champagne carozza.. It's pretty good
Posted By: FriendoftheFamily

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/29/16 02:44 PM

Michael said he had up to 300 guys working for him at the peak. He also said he had 12-15 Made guys around him all the time.

He paid the Government $14-15 Million dollars to settle with the Government.

He turned over everything to Sonny Franzese - All of the Money and walked away.
Posted By: DiLorenzo

Re: Michael franseze crew - 12/30/16 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Tommydesimone44
Go to dailymotion.com and type in the show " Nothing Personal " episode popping champagne. It's allmabout what happened to Larry champagne carozza.. It's pretty good


This was a pretty good video...I had seen it a while back but forgot most of it...thanks for sharing it !!
Posted By: MightyDR

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/02/17 01:35 AM

I hadn't seen that documentary before, thanks Tommydesimone44. Interesting that Michael Franzese doesn't show up in this one. Also that Louis Eppolito was assigned to investigate the murder! He was also assigned to the Frank Fiala murder that Gravano was behind. I'd hate to think how many others.
Posted By: dsd

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/03/17 11:16 PM

Sonny Franzese got 50 years for bank robbery.That seems like a long-arse sentence. Must be more than just bank robbery unless it was his fifth conviction for it
Posted By: dsd

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/03/17 11:32 PM

Anyone think Sonny killed Michaels biological father ? (From above article)

Is he actually a rat against any LCN guys? Or is it just janitors and the like

And all because of a ten year sentence?
Posted By: mikeyballs211

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/04/17 03:40 AM

Originally Posted By: dsd
Anyone think Sonny killed Michaels biological father ? (From above article)

Is he actually a rat against any LCN guys? Or is it just janitors and the like

And all because of a ten year sentence?


I think he really only ratted on Norby Walters. Maybe he gave them some intel during the Columbo wars of the 90s but i doubt it. Idk how the fuck the govt made that deal and never forced him to testify, that part still baffles me..

Has anyone ever definitively answered who took over Michael Franzeze's crew then and who is running it currently? Or did it splinter off into another crew?
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/04/17 07:11 AM

Originally Posted By: mikeyballs211
Originally Posted By: dsd
Anyone think Sonny killed Michaels biological father ? (From above article)

Is he actually a rat against any LCN guys? Or is it just janitors and the like

And all because of a ten year sentence?


I think he really only ratted on Norby Walters. Maybe he gave them some intel during the Columbo wars of the 90s but i doubt it. Idk how the fuck the govt made that deal and never forced him to testify, that part still baffles me..

Has anyone ever definitively answered who took over Michael Franzeze's crew then and who is running it currently? Or did it splinter off into another crew?


He ratted on just about everybody. He testified against nobody but Norby Walters. He gave intel about the Colombo Family but not the wars of the early 90s unless biographical info.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/04/17 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: dsd
Anyone think Sonny killed Michaels biological father ? (From above article)

Is he actually a rat against any LCN guys? Or is it just janitors and the like

And all because of a ten year sentence?


the whole Michael was an adopted son thing struck me as odd. First, Mike thought his father was Sonny, then he learned later that Sonny wasn't his biological father, then later Mike actually learns Sonny IS his biological father. What the hell is really going on I wonder? Was Tina Capobianco that big of a whore?
Posted By: FriendoftheFamily

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/04/17 08:25 PM

Well Michael tells a little different story about Sonny and his biological father than what seems to be said in the various preceding Posts.

I will try to remember the exact thing he said about a month ago and I will post it.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/04/17 08:43 PM

Michael Franzese, whose father is a rapist, once claimed that the mafia view women and children as "sacred" on CNN in 2010.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/04/17 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Michael Franzese, whose father is a rapist, once claimed that the mafia view women and children as "sacred" on CNN in 2010.


He was never convicted of rape, do your homework a little better next time.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/07/17 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
Well Michael tells a little different story about Sonny and his biological father than what seems to be said in the various preceding Posts.

I will try to remember the exact thing he said about a month ago and I will post it.


Michael says exactly what I have said in the preceding post. I have it in my files. Thought Sonny was his dad, thought Sonny adopted him, realized Sonny is his actual biological father. That sums it up
Posted By: FriendoftheFamily

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/08/17 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
Well Michael tells a little different story about Sonny and his biological father than what seems to be said in the various preceding Posts.

I will try to remember the exact thing he said about a month ago and I will post it.


Michael says exactly what I have said in the preceding post. I have it in my files. Thought Sonny was his dad, thought Sonny adopted him, realized Sonny is his actual biological father. That sums it up


Although I can't remember exactly what he said a month ago right now - I offer you this to start with from his book "From Godfather to GOD the Father". Page 21 of the Family Section this paragraph in part:

"And, as young as she was, Mom had also been married before. At sixteen, she hooked up with a handsome young soldier named Louis Grillo, and their teenage love affair, although it barely survived a year, had produced none other than yours truely-me. I was Louis Grillo's son by birth, but as far back as I can remember, Sonny Franzese accepted me as his own. He was, therefore, the only dad I ever really knew."

I will try to come up with more later and see what your research came up with and when. It doesn't mean that he didn't say it differently at different times. Lots of stories change over time.

Also that same partial paragraph with only a word or two changed is stated in his 1991 writing of the Blood Covenant on Page 34 of the Old Life section 7.
Posted By: yatescj7

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/09/17 06:51 AM

Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
Originally Posted By: yatescj7
Originally Posted By: FriendoftheFamily
Well Michael tells a little different story about Sonny and his biological father than what seems to be said in the various preceding Posts.

I will try to remember the exact thing he said about a month ago and I will post it.


Michael says exactly what I have said in the preceding post. I have it in my files. Thought Sonny was his dad, thought Sonny adopted him, realized Sonny is his actual biological father. That sums it up


Although I can't remember exactly what he said a month ago right now - I offer you this to start with from his book "From Godfather to GOD the Father". Page 21 of the Family Section this paragraph in part:

"And, as young as she was, Mom had also been married before. At sixteen, she hooked up with a handsome young soldier named Louis Grillo, and their teenage love affair, although it barely survived a year, had produced none other than yours truely-me. I was Louis Grillo's son by birth, but as far back as I can remember, Sonny Franzese accepted me as his own. He was, therefore, the only dad I ever really knew."

I will try to come up with more later and see what your research came up with and when. It doesn't mean that he didn't say it differently at different times. Lots of stories change over time.

Also that same partial paragraph with only a word or two changed is stated in his 1991 writing of the Blood Covenant on Page 34 of the Old Life section 7.


That is exactly correct, he thought Grillo( I thought his first name was Frankie Grillo, but it may have been Louis)was his father and Sonny was his stepdad for a long time. Only after his exodus from the mob (or during) did he find out Sonny was actually his biological father. He didn't say how he knew, but I am guessing they did a DNA test.

It was a lie both Sonny and Tina told to save face. Sonny was married when he knocked her up and she was pregnant out of wedlock and she married Grillo and said Michael was his. Sonny, not long after, got divorced and "adopted" Michael, but Michael was his. They did all of it too keep up appearances. I will look in my files and give you the sources probably around Wednesday or Thursday. The source is Mikey Franzese in an interview, but I will have to find the interviewer and the year. Might have been a European Newspaper. Maybe in the U.K.
Posted By: CabriniGreen

Re: Michael franseze crew - 01/09/17 10:17 AM

Frankie Castagnaro? Vincent Aspromonte? Champagne Larry, Lawrence Iorizzo, all I can remember from the top of my head.. I think there was an ex Vietnam vet too...
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