New version of Fentanyl already? Carfentanil

In today's Sun-Times....



http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/two-deaths-in-cook-county-linked-to-never-before-seen-opioids/


http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/222772127-story

This heroin/opiate shit, it's one part of the drug trade where maybe the pushers should get draconian sentences if caught...

These people selling STRAIGHT UP POISON

I don't know why I just thought of this, but for some reason this stuff reminds me of the movie Belly...


When he's in the shower and MTV news comes on, talking about a new form of heroin where you could just put it on your skin. I always thought it was a stupid part of the movie, " that Tango and Cash shit" as DMX called it.....

There's another drug that hasn't hit the states yet called w-18. 100 times stronger than fentanyl. I believe it was first created by Canadian scientists but I think the Chinese have been making it recently.

"people are droppin dead off that shit"..remember when DMX said that to Nas describing the drug?

The more people who drop dead from it, the harder the addicts chase the drug

Carfentanyl has been a thing here on Long Island for a few years now. The whole Heroin/Fentanyl thing is an epidemic in both Nassau & Suffolk Counties. Personally, I didn't even know it was possible to illegally sell fentanyl until about a few years ago. Fentanyl is usually prescribed in patches, so I couldn't figure out how people were selling this shit. Then someone actually told me how there's a way to melt the Fentanyl itself out of the patch itself. Some real chemistry shit.

Yeah I at first didn't understand how people were using fentanyl to cut dope with because all I knew about fentanyl was that it was fairly rare and hard to get prescribed and it comes it 72 hour patches.. and it's not cheap.. but then I read how the Chinese and shit were making it and mass producing it in powder form. Similar to how they mass produce all those other weird synthetic drugs... I'm assuming now I'm the north east heroin without fentanyl is almost non existent . I'm really curious if it's even possible if you're a wholesaler to even get raw dope anymore or if it's already coming pre cut with fent from the start these days . Dangerous shit...

56k+ deaths related to heroine overdoses. They want to make narcan over the counter because of these idiots. Let them die. If you're stupid enough to put that junk in your veins, suffer the consequences. Just my .02. In the icu, we push fentanyl or run drips. Example of when we push fentanyl: a person's heart rate is out of control and all pharmacological options have failed, we push versed (which knocks you out and causes temporary amnesia) then we push some fentanyl, and then you get shocked to reset your ticker. The fentanyl is given because of the pain that the cardioversion causes.

Like ive said before how the fuck are these domicans getting it. Some guy out here in the boston burbs got caught with 2kilos thats alot of death he should get smoked but there wasnt laws against trafficking fent. There are now the law makers scrambled and passed some shit over night. Why even cutt it in dope why not sell half grams of fent. For money rite. 15yrs ago i was in jail for dumb shit and there was a Colombian next cell he told me you can buy a kilo of pure herion in his country for 60k and make it into 5 or 6. This was way before all this fent. Shit probaly when they cutt it with milk sugar or whatever that shit is they sell in bodegas in the bronx.

It has to be made by a 3rd world country. The prices of those patches are outrageous and yes I've heard of people getting it off those patches too but I don't know much of anything about getting high off that crap.

I'm with you pmac, the fentanyl would be worth more on the street than using it to cut heroin you would think. People pay a $1 a mg or more for Oxycontin but don't want fentanyl? Hard to believe.

Is it dangerous for you to administer it to a patient? I read that handling it can cause harm to you.

I just wear gloves. Ithe comes in an ampule, cracking it would be the only dangerous part (risk of cutting myself). Those patches aremail for 72hrs, and people suck those things or keep them in their mouth to dissolve them. Fucking nasty. It's a sick world out there.

Since 2005 I've literally lost upwards of 30 friends and that's only the people I knew personally and/or was in contact with regularly, but my town has seen much much more than 30 heroin related deaths than that in more recent years than since 2005, its just beyond epidemic proportions at this point and it got out of control a long time ago even before the Fentanyl really blew up. I was incarcerated with a Dominican guy Jose Casellas from Lawrence Mass that was already here illegally under the guise of being Puerto Rican and he was released early along with countless others due to chemist Annie Dookan messing with drug lab samples from drug cases. He ended up being arrested for running another heroin operation and was caught with 35 pounds of heroin in the house he used for packaging along with a ridiculous amount of fentanyl, which was the purpose of the house, to cut the heroin with Fentanyl and package for sale. I'd say that's definitely deliberate homicide if not 2nd degree murder since at that point in time it was more than well-known how lethal Fentanyl is to addicts injecting it, even snorting it. People are dropping dead from snorting heroin these days, which was unheard of before the Fentanyl hit the scene. BTW it takes a real punk ass ignorant piece of shit to say "let them die." And you work in an ICU...yeah, just the guy for the job.

Excuse me? Where were you when your friends were overdosing? It's 2016, everyone knows drugs are bad for you. It takes a real ignorant person to think that nothing is going to happen to them. If a career criminal gets caught, we say they knew what they were getting themselves into. Have you ever sat in a nicu and heard those poor little babies have that high pitch scream and no matter what you do, you can't console them? Its all because their junkie mother was getting high on one kind of opiate or another during their pregnancy. Have you seen a person who has to have six weeks of iv antibiotics to clear up their endocarditis rt iv drug use, get better and come back in a month for the same thing because they didn't appreciate their second chance at life? Just say no! Im not ignorant. When you play with fire, you get burned. On top of it, most of these people don't have insurance. So, every hard working taxpayer foots the bill for their ignorance.

I agree blue. When I was a young teenager I liked to get high like the next person and I dabbled into pain killers but ALWAYS made sure to do it in moderation because I didn't want to become hooked. I was even offered coke numerous times and I simply said no because it wasn't worth it, much less heroin or crack, etc. Getting a high ain't worth all the bullshit that comes with it. People have to know to say no, so when you snort or shoot some heroin you just screwed yourself for life and that ain't worth the high.

Mind you, when i have a pt who fucked themselves bc of long term drug abuse, I treat them like any other pt. To see someone wi5h multi organ failure and kick them while they are down isn't my thing. Im there to work 12-13hrs and deliver my patients the best care they can possibly receive. They know what they did, its not my job to remind them that this their fault. At the end of the day, it could have been avoided by just saying no.

Many want to quit but physically their body won't let them . Some people are just stronger I suppose and unfortunately many get hooked due to the pharma / Doctor sales culture we have and well some are just young and dumb and some deserve hard consequences , especially those that knowingly hook others, but just let them All die , you got to be one heartless person to say that . That's just not me but everyone is entitled to their opinion

I agree that term was heartless, but I don't think he meant it literally if that makes sense. Like he said above he said he would help them regardless.

While I can agree some got hooked due to ignorance (like a doctor writing pain scripts) or something of the like, I'd say 8 out of 10 get hooked on heavy drugs because they wanted to get a better high and got hooked on that nasty shit. You got to know better, especially those of us that grew up around that shit and seen what others went through. I just refused to "want to get that high" to try anything worse than a pain pill, xanax or grass growing up. I had buddies that snorted and offered me many times, and I simply said no and took their ribbing because I knew I would be better off without it.

do you realize that 56,000 deaths. is as many young people as were killed during the viet nam war. is this a war?

Town in Ohio considering 3 strikes and out policy about Narcan.
Video doesn't mention the 3 and out part ,but proposing that EMS is not gonna dispatch if they've been called about OD to that residence twice , they won't come rescue you the 3rd time.

Very good question,Binnie.

It's true that addictions start with a bad decision. But once that mistake is made, it's hard for a lot of people to get out of it. It's true that some of those people will overdose again and again, but if even just some of them survive to clean up and become productive citizens again, I think it's worth it.

Who among us has never made a bad decision? Granted it might not involve shooting dope but we've all fucked up before, some worse than others. Only difference is this mistake follows you more than most. Now I wouldn't trust a dope fiend with the lint in my pockets, but I understand they're basically zombies and need help. Same as when crack hit, all this tough on crime attitude won't do shit to fix anything.

Anyway, PMac the Dominicans run shit up here because they have two things: The connections in the islands and South America, and the presence on the street here on the East coast. Other groups may have one or the other but not both. This way they get the shit in for the low and can lock up the street trade dealing with black or white folks. I know young boys making a killing off this shit and their plugs are their uncles. Shit is deep.

The stuff is so addicting and the average person can sell their prescription for a good chunk of change .

There is a doctor down here was arrested couple weeks back everybody thinks it's for the murder of his wife . But they don't have that evidence yet .

The reason why he was locked up is because he was prescribing that opiate Pain cream .

But he had A large clientele of police firemen and politicians from this area his office is in Egg Harbor Township, and his residence in Linwood NJ .

From what I hear you have many of those police and politicians retaining attorneys before he got arrested and before it is even hit the news .

So this stuff is going deep in to regular folks and into our public departments .

Dr . Kauffman grew up in Margate NJ

I also have never understood why dealers were mixing it with heroin. I've done both and am sure you could sell fen. On it's own.The rush from Fent is real strong but doesn't last long.Junkies love that rush you get when you shoot so I'm sure they would buy it.
Ive seen Fent.busts on the news in Detroit but I did dope for years and never got Fent and never heard of anybody who had It but I didn't buy in open markets only from people I knew.
It's always a choice to do any drugs and it's bullshit to say that you CAN'T stop.I don't do it anymore but my back is fucked up and I'm in constant pain but that's all just an excuse to be a junkie I choose not to anymore

They do sell fentanyl on its own

I think prince o'd from using fentanyl

I've gotten Fent patches and lollipops. I would usually chew on the patchs though some of them you can squese the jell out cook it up and shoot it.
I've never seen any kinda Fent that's in a powder form like a pill and have no idea how or where people are getting it.
Im sure junkies would buy just injectable Fent not mixed and sold as heroin.
Dilaudid is the same kinda short intense rush as Fent and junkies love Dilaudid some more than heroin

Steer clear of fentanyl. My best friend in Detroit died from it (sold to him as heroin) and he isn't the only person in Detroit I know who died because of it. (Nobody asked to score or buy fentanyl - they wanted heroin - but got fentanyl instead.)

I can't comment on other cities - I wouldn't know. It varies from place to place. Speed is popular in LA, but nowhere to be found in Detroit.

The high from fentanyl is said to be similar to heroin, but much more risky in terms of an overdose. Sad shit. Stick to beer and whisky.