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Try telling that to Montreal.

Say you're a South Philly guy running a sports book. It's halfway through the football season and you're making bank--but you're taking a chunk of your weekly profit and sending it to a guy who might be in Lewisburg by next fall. Don't you start talking to your peers about a change in management? Or, if nothing else, aren't you tempted to stop kicking up? What if someone like Phil Narducci says "kick half as much up to me, its new management"?

I agree that the days of a Scarfo-style bloodletting are past, but it's hard to dismiss the money factor in all of this. Say you're a South Philly guy running a sports book. It's halfway through the football season and you're making bank--but you're taking a chunk of your weekly profit and sending it to a guy who might be in Lewisburg by next fall. Don't you start talking to your peers about a change in management? Or, if nothing else, aren't you tempted to stop kicking up? What if someone like Phil Narducci says "kick half as much up to me, its new management"?

I would love to hear the tapes Rubeo recorded with Joey and trying to bring up the question of hits. You know damn well Rubeo's handlers were pushing him to catch Joey talking about something more serious than fraud and gambling debts. Also interested to know how much Sirkin was kicking up to Joey to hang around him

Given Joey's past I would think there is little to nothing of meat on those tapes besides chicken shit charges. Joey is shrewd and has been for a long time, even when Ron Previte was on tape Joey told him to stay away from drugs and barely talked about a hijacked trailer load of baby formula or ceiling fans. Even after he got out Gambino New Jersey made guy Nicky Skins tried to trap Joey on tape, but Joey said he wasn't in that life anymore and didn't get Joey saying shit, so it is hard for me to believe that a Genovese associate would get Joey on anything but a minor beef. Joey won't talk serious crime to a Gambino soldier. Joey doesn't care which 5 families you belong to much less his own Family. Only possible way you can catch Joey talking serious charges is if you get a long time Capo from Philly or the 5 Families that is wired up. Only way he will get caught. Joey knows the life, he is too smart in his 50 some odd years to get caught up any other way. That or 1 of his longtime inner circle flips. Only way to catch Skinny Joey.

Try telling that to Montreal.

Merlino is going away, no doubt. I'd imagine he'll cop a plea.

Can't see anything changing. Merlino wants the crown and the boys should be happy that he's the lightning rod.
Why change that and become the focus for the Feds.

If anyone was going to move aside Skinny Joey, they had plenty of chances while he was away for 14 years and none had the balls.

Someone might want to be acting boss. Probably George.

One thing you can give Skinny Joey and his inner circle, they are loyal to each other. They don't rat. And none have tried to dethrone Joey.

No doubt some in NY would take a chance knowing Skinny keeps his mouth shut and took a chance , and no doubt he got tight with some that he knew since kids in north jersey .

But why was a boss out there alone working like a skipper , something is not right
There is something going on .

He will not be seen in Philly unless it's at a party or a private affair surrounded by bodyguards he will on occasion drive around down here but will not move around Philly like before.

He goes away for a long bid someone is going to step up and I have no proof but Georgie even though he was around Philly and is same age as Skinny he also spent more time with all the Scarfo gang and spent lots of time down here more then any one his age for years.

I just guessing that that move Skinny did with NY and took a pinch is under mining some of the skippers in this area and something has to give.

And nobody in NY is a true friend of any of Philly guys it's all what can u do for me .

These other guys are getting up there in years and they are not going to sit as status quo .

Mikeyballs211...watch out for dear old faffy, he's going to take over philly

This case Joey is currently fighting is incredibly weak. I don't see him getting a lot of time for that one. When they indict him for Gino, it's over.

No doubt some in NY would take a chance knowing Skinny keeps his mouth shut and took a chance , and no doubt he got tight with some that he knew since kids in north jersey .

But why was a boss out there alone working like a skipper , something is not right
There is something going on .

He will not be seen in Philly unless it's at a party or a private affair surrounded by bodyguards he will on occasion drive around down here but will not move around Philly like before.

He goes away for a long bid someone is going to step up and I have no proof but Georgie even though he was around Philly and is same age as Skinny he also spent more time with all the Scarfo gang and spent lots of time down here more then any one his age for years.

I just guessing that that move Skinny did with NY and took a pinch is under mining some of the skippers in this area and something has to give.

And nobody in NY is a true friend of any of Philly guys it's all what can u do for me .

These other guys are getting up there in years and they are not going to sit as status quo .

Faffy has been free from a halfway house for some time. And apparently Borgesi has a strong following. He might be in a good position to take the throne.

Exactly what I was thinking when this whole thing came out. He's the only Philly guy charged if I'm not mistaken. It just doesn't seem right that a boss from Philly, who spends the majority of his time in Florida, would be caught up in a case with a bunch of NY associates, and low ranking guys. Surely if he was so respected by NY, they'd acknowledge the fact that he's a boss and would have little issue with him sending someone else on his behalf, like Georgie or Steve Mazzone. Yet he's supposedly on wiretape conversating with Rubeo himself, with no "buffers", as my man Willie Cicci would say. That part just doesn't make any sense.


Those don't seem like boss moves, it sounds like a guy desperate to earn.

a lot of those philly guys were surpised according to georgre A that joey had his own scams going on they did not know about it and were pissed they were not getting anything and this fundraising thing was not popular move by merlino. I agree with blackjack its typical merlino just him being greedy. Like back in the 90s with bobby lusi he was taking 10k a month and made capo someone who everyone knew was not capable to be capo but he did anyway because he is greedy. He bet into johnny changs book one of his own guys he is just greedy.Even with that scam they had going on he tried to get out of paying 7k to New York just merlino being merlino really.

Also if someone like parello vouches for someone he is not going to question. Will be interesting to see if joey takes it to trial

Exactly what I was thinking when this whole thing came out. He's the only Philly guy charged if I'm not mistaken. It just doesn't seem right that a boss from Philly, who spends the majority of his time in Florida, would be caught up in a case with a bunch of NY associates, and low ranking guys. Surely if he was so respected by NY, they'd acknowledge the fact that he's a boss and would have little issue with him sending someone else on his behalf, like Georgie or Steve Mazzone. Yet he's supposedly on wiretape conversating with Rubeo himself, with no "buffers", as my man Willie Cicci would say. That part just doesn't make any sense.Serp, u say u have no proof about georgy always being down there, but there is that group photo of the scafo men on the beach all in a huddle & young george is on Ligambi's right w/ the baseball cap.That guy was destined 4 baldness since he was a child , never leaves home without one.


Those don't seem like boss moves, it sounds like a guy desperate to earn.

No doubt some in NY would take a chance knowing Skinny keeps his mouth shut and took a chance , and no doubt he got tight with some that he knew since kids in north jersey .

But why was a boss out there alone working like a skipper , something is not right
There is something going on .

He will not be seen in Philly unless it's at a party or a private affair surrounded by bodyguards he will on occasion drive around down here but will not move around Philly like before.

He goes away for a long bid someone is going to step up and I have no proof but Georgie even though he was around Philly and is same age as Skinny he also spent more time with all the Scarfo gang and spent lots of time down here more then any one his age for years.

I just guessing that that move Skinny did with NY and took a pinch is under mining some of the skippers in this area and something has to give.

And nobody in NY is a true friend of any of Philly guys it's all what can u do for me .

These other guys are getting up there in years and they are not going to sit as status quo .

Hood I would not doubt if there many pictures or even video cos he was always down here around Jr. they all kissed up to Jr.

Most of the guys that had teen boys and cousins and even friends of friends were here but they were teens and it was not at the very end that they were getting old enough to drive and you all know the history after Nick sr. was locked up the last time and all those so called friends and friends of friends turned on Jr.

Nick never thought they would try to take out his kid or he would have made him and they would all be dead.

But that's not how it went and now you have grown men answering to a guy that was18 when they went away and the guys that were 17 and 18 when Skinny and them started scamming I am sure they are so so tired of being the bottom feeders.

It's just all getting old and so are they something has to give if it has not already .

Because Skinny will not has not chilled around Philly at all and I am not believing the bullshit he staying out of trouble in Florida .

There is crazy money coming in that family now so it's not like there is not a reason to be active and eager to move up .

Everyone talks about the north jersey book of the Luke's can you imagine the books in the tri-state area that the Philly family controls and who is getting all that money .

It's not just book they are sill sharing down anyone doing anything illegal just like always .
There area is huge and very lucrative and trust me nobody that is doing good is not kicking up they are keeping up .

"i wonder why he did'nt try 2 proceed w/ his son,,he was in his mid twenties around 85 or so @ the peak of his dad's power."

Because less than a year later, "someone" walked into Dante & Luigi's and shot Nicky Junior six times, then walked out the door. And never paid the consequences for shooting the boss' son.

Maybe the reason the capo mike lance is been free so long hes probaly a bookie thats runs a tight ship doesnt get into the shake downs or loans just makes a comfortable living. Seems the fbi always flip these guys who are violent or owe everybody money so he probaly just lets them go.

Maybe the reason the capo mike lance is been free so long hes probaly a bookie thats runs a tight ship doesnt get into the shake downs or loans just makes a comfortable living. Seems the fbi always flip these guys who are violent or owe everybody money so he probaly just lets them go.

He did not see it coming , they were all smiling in his face and plotting behind his back.
As much as they hung with Jr. and kissed his ass it did not matter cos when Chuckie was knock down Nick did not protect himself from a uprising and of course he never would thought that the entire family would be locked up all at once.

Trust me Skinny story is a perfect storm he should be dead ten times over but he he was helped by every possible entity weather law enforcement or stupid gangsters or bad shots he is still there.

I still say Phil should have come out and killed him and I don't doubt that he had to hold himself back.

Nicodemo and Grande were both also under Lancellotti when the Borgata bust happened; obviously those guys are not strangers to violence or intimidation. Same for Canalichio. Lance also has a nephew in the life (though not in Philly), and the guy has a mean-mug that says he's not just taking bets….

Remember that Mikey Lance was really sick for about a year with the cancer. But yes, in general he keeps a low profile, but I notice he isn't the only one who's been low-key. Marty Angelina was a real fan of the drunken bar brawl for years, but notice that this time around since everyone got back out on the street, he's been a complete cipher. No Margate drama, no SP gossip, nothing. Out of the life? His little brother is in real estate, maybe he decided to go that route once George Borgesi got out and started making noise about what he was owed...

I still say Phil should have come out and killed him and I don't doubt that he had to hold himself back.

Narducci? Would Merlino's guys just let that happen? Who's backing Narducci? What kind of pull does he have?

No...he meant Leonetti..alot of scarf dudes wanted 2 whack that little purse snatcher back in the day..fuckin' punk that he was.

No doubt Lance keeps a low profile but he is huge and is probably the biggest with Georgie as far as crew and cash flow.

Guys the Feds can no longer get away with a guy like Scarppa !!

Lance is using his head and has had luck on his side .

Look at Skinny as far as luck , no one has more lives then Skinny but like I said he has not walked around south Philly in over twenty years other then special occasions with guys around him .

I totally think if he lived in the old neighborhood he would be gone .

Can we ban Moe yet? Or are we just gonna let this board go to shit with relentless trolling?

Guys the Feds can no longer get away with a guy like Scarppa !!

Lance is using his head and has had luck on his side .

Look at Skinny as far as luck , no one has more lives then Skinny but like I said he has not walked around south Philly in over twenty years other then special occasions with guys around him .

I totally think if he lived in the old neighborhood he would be gone .

Lance looks like a rat.

Right .

Mikey Lance was also arrested back in 2004 for punching a guy in front of a cop at Chickie's and Pete's in South Philly:

https://mycitypaper.com/articles/2004-07-22/cb4.shtml

When Martines came out, he put a .22 to the back of Veasey’s head and said, “Bye-bye, John.” Then he pulled the trigger three times. Veasey jumped up and grabbed his head. His hand was full of blood; he felt like he’d been hit with a sledgehammer. Veasey stared at Martines and yelled, “Yo, Frank. You just fucking shot me?” One bullet had hit the back of Veasey’s head and broken into fragments; a second exited through his forehead. A third had bounced off his head and into his neck. Martines told Veasey why he’d shot him: “You talk too much.”

Pagano grabbed Veasey from behind and told Martines to shoot again. Martines shot Veasey in the chest, piercing a new $3,800 leather jacket and depositing a bullet in Veasey’s ribs. But instead of going down, Veasey grabbed Martines and shoved him against the wall. “You’re fucking dead,” Martines told him. “I ain’t dead yet,” Veasey replied. The mobsters yanked down the sleeves of Veasey’s jacket to trap his arms by his side so Martines could pistol-whip him; he was out of bullets. But Veasey wiggled his left arm free, and every time Martines hit him with the gun, Veasey slugged him in the eye.

Veasey knocked Martines to the ground, but Pagano jumped him, yanked his head back, and told Martines to “cut his fucking throat.” Martines whipped out a knife, but Veasey kicked him with both feet and slid out of Pagano’s grip. The knife landed on the floor; Veasey and Martines scrambled for it. Veasey got there first. When Martines grabbed him in a headlock, Veasey stabbed him near the eye.

Martines, bleeding heavily, pleaded with Veasey not to kill him. He said he’d unlock the door if Veasey dropped the knife. Veasey buried the knife in a couch—where the cops later found it. Martines unlocked the door, and Veasey ran down the stairs. “If you go to the cops, we’ll kill your family,” Pagano yelled after him.

This is the same board where a lot of people swore up and down Nicodemo would become a rat. He got that hot wife, a couple of young kids, etc. These guys aren't like us. I don't think there is any chance Lancellotti is a rat/informant, what are they going to keep him on the street forever? They would have used him in trials already, they would've used him to close unsolved murders. What are they waiting to use him on some gambling case?

Mark Rosetti is a present time Greg Scarpa

Dude, hes never been accused by any of his confidants as being a rat. The Nicky Stefanelli tapes CLEARLY show that Lancelotti is respected by NY and NJ mob guys. So what are you basing your opinion on?