The state of the family

Sorry if this subject has been brought up recently. I'm just curious on the state of the Bonannos & Colombos. I know they are the smaller NY families, that's really why I'm asking.

I find this on Bonanno family

https://www.google.it/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/new-york/nyc-crime/exclusive-mob-boss-rebuilding-left-crime-family-article-1.2499943%3f0p19G=e

 Mob boss rebuilding what's left of Bonanno crime family

JOHN MARZULLI  JAN 18, 2016 4:00 AM

 He's got the worst job in organized crime, but somebody’s gotta do it.

Meet Joseph Cammarano Jr., the top banana on the street for the beleaguered Bonanno crime family — or what’s left of it.

 Cammarano has been anointed acting underboss, a federal prosecutor revealed in Brooklyn Federal Court last week at the arraignment of three Bonanno gangsters, but sources say he wears a second hat as the crime family’s street boss, too.

Cammarano’s promotion has the blessing of the Bonannos’ jailed official boss, Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso, sources said.
 Despite the setbacks the crime family has endured over the last decade, sources say cutting off the heads hasn’t killed the beast.


“It’s clear they’re trying to rebuild,” a law enforcement source told the Daily News.
But, with an FBI target on his back, Cammarano probably doesn’t have much time to make his mark.

 His father, one-time underboss Joseph Cammarano Sr., died in prison in September 2013 while serving time for a gangland murder. The family has had a succession of at least six bosses since Joseph Massino was arrested in 2003 and decided to become the highest-ranking mob rat in history. Ever since then, the family has been infested with informants and cooperators.

Cammarano Jr. “is a unique man,” defense lawyer Elizabeth Macedonio wrote to a judge in a 2007 extortion case. “He is defined by his sense of selflessness, his strong commitment to family and his endless contributions to his country and community.”

Despite the praise, the mobster was convicted of strong-arming a Colombo mob wiseguy. He served out his 27-month sentence in prison.

Known as Joe C. Jr., the 56-year-old Cammarano grew up in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, joined the Navy after graduating from high school and served on a nuclear submarine in an elite patrol unit that conducted classified missions.

His wife, Angela, is the daughter of Bonanno soldier Vito Grimaldi, who owns Grimaldi Bakery in Queens.

While he was in the can on the prior case, Cammarano and his wife “both miss(ed) the mundane aspects of their relationship like sharing tea at the end of the day,” court papers revealed.

The couple lives in a modest home in Glen Cove, L.I. .

Great question. I wish this was just about The Columbo Family. I wonder if there is a Columbo Family anymore. Are they about the size of the Philly Family or DeCalvalcante Family? 30 made members?

I always wondered if The Columbo's would get absorbed by another family or just dissolve and go away....

Both the Colombo and Bonanno families are still very much alive. Each have a functioning hierarchy with a little over 100 total members. The idea that either family is near defunct is simply false.

For the record, the New Jersey and Philadelphia families each have 40-50 total members and a much lower ratio of associates compared to the Colombos and Bonannos according to more recent estimates.

Jerry Capeci had the Columbo's at 75-85 members back in 2011. How many of those were guys like Little Vic doing life in prison? No way there are 100 members.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/10870/

The Colombo Family 2011
75 to 85 members
Boss: Carmine “Junior” Persico, 71
Underboss : John “Jackie” DeRoss, 67
Consigliere: Joel “Joe Waverly” Cacace, 63

I just sent Jerry Capeci an email asking him to write an article on The Columbo's.

I'm aware of that article. Capeci's estimate for the Colombos was relatively low compared to other estimates. Same for the Gambinos. Incidentally, his estimate for the Genovese family was relatively high. The 2004 New Jersey OC report had the Colombos at 112 members (see below). There were also articles in 2009 and 2014 that cited 100 members for the family. Again, it's total members, not just active on the street.

http://mafianj.com/sci2004/colombo.shtml

Both of those families are very active. I'm not sure how they are doing, but I doubt they are doing bad. It's business as usual.

All the families had 100 made men each but the colombos problem is always the same: a boss that doesn't want to retired and a series of acting bosses,street bosses ecc that can't seriously run the family.
The bonanno after Massino flips in 2004 doesn't had a boss until Mancuso and Cammarano as acting boss.

Now both the families are active and trying to rebuild and have more members that went out the jail, can fill the ranks.

Thanks to Pogo the clown

Bonanno family

Administration:
1. Boss: Michael "Mikey Nose" Mancuso/60 (IP/3/12/2019)
-Acting Boss: Joseph “Joe C/Saunders Jr” Cammarano Jr/56
2. Underboss: Joseph “Joe C/Saunders Jr” Cammarano Jr/56
3. Consiglieri: Anthony "Fat Anthony/Mr. Fish" Rabito/81


Capos:
1. Jerome “Jerry” Asaro/57 (IP/8/6/2020)/Michael Padavona - Queens
2. Louis "Louie the Leg-Breaker" Civello Sr/65 – New Jersey
3. Thomas “Tommy D” DiFiore/72 – Brooklyn and Queens
4. Joseph "Joe Desi" DeSimone/82 (IP/10/10/2017)– Brooklyn
5. Anthony “The Hat/Walker/Stutters” Frascone/65 (IP/9/2/2016)/John “Johnny Joe” Spirito Jr/35 (UI) - Bronx, Queens and Long Island
6. Ronald Giallanzo/45 (IP/12/5/2016) - Queens
7. Joseph Grimaldi/46 - Brooklyn and Queens
8. Vito Grimaldi/76 - Brooklyn and Queens
9. Peter Lovaglio/54 (UI)
10. Anthony "Little Anthony" Pipitone/43 (IP/10/9/2017) – Brooklyn, Long Island and Queens
11. John Palazzolo/78 (IP) – The Bronx and Brooklyn
12. Joseph Sabella/50 – Bronx and Brooklyn
13. Nicholas "Nicky Mouth" Santora/73 (UI)/Vito Badamo/53 (UI) – Brooklyn and Long Island
14. John "Johnny Mulberry" Sciremammano/59 – Long Island
15. George Tropiano/66 - Staten Island
16. John "Porky" Zancocchio/58 – Brooklyn, Staten Island and Florida


Soldiers:
Frank Adamo
Ernest Aeillo/36 (UI)/Acting Capo
Sandro Aiosa/71
Alfred Altadonna/64
Vincent "Elmo" Amarante/61 (UI)
Al Armetta/Acting Capo
Vincent Asaro/80
Robert "Bobby HAHA/Big Bobby" Attanasio/69
Vincent "Vinny T.V." Badalamenti/58
Vito Badamo Sr/81
Vito Balsamo/58
Vincent “Vinny” Basciano Jr/34
Antonio Bonventre
Giuseppe "Joe" Bosco
Anthony Calabrese/45
Dino Cammarano
Michael “Mikey Batts” Cardello/70
Ronald “Ronnie Mozzarella” Carlucci/67
Robert Caroleo/71
Vincent Caroleo/Acting Capo
Michael Cassese/47
Salvatore “ToTo” Catalano/74
Joseph Chilli III/59
John Cicala/64
John “Big John” Contello/61
Peter “Petey Boxcars” Cosoleto/66
Frank Coppa Jr.
Perry Criscitelli/64
Vincent D'Antoni/73
Pino D’Aquanno
Louis “Louie Electric” DeCicco/68
Steven DeSimone/43
Michael “Mike Box” DiMaria
Vincent “Vinny Bionics” DiSario/49
Joseph “Joe Shakes” DiStefano/55
Mike Donafevi(sp)
Simone Esposito/37
Vincent “Vinny” Faraci/60
Anthony Fasitta/41/Acting Capo
Anthony "Tony Black" Furino/59
James Galante/71
James Genna/77
Joseph Giddio/88
Anthony "T.G." Graziano/72
Ally Indelicato
Joseph "J.B." Indelicato/801
John Licata/70
Joseph Lino/49
Joseph "Joe Lefty" Loiacono/69
Ronald “Ronnie” Lorenzo/70
Anthony "Elmont" Mannone/71
Salvatore Marchese/80
Bari Mascitti/68
Vincenzo Masi/39/Acting Capo
John “Johnny Boy” Mirabile/55
Salvatore J. “Sally Pens” Morale/71
Natale Mule/45/Acting Capo
Richard "Richie" Musumeci/77
Anthony Navarra/38
Philip Navarra/40
Michael Palmaccio/40 (UI)
Frank “Big Frank” Pastore/41
Vito Pipitone/34
Guiseppe Pizzo/80
Salvatore Ponico
Frank "The Fireman/Big Frank" Porco/82
Michael Primiano/71
Salvatore Puccio/42
Armando “Mondo” Rea/59
Richard “Big Ritchie” Riccardi/63
William "Willie Glasses" Riviello/75
Frank “Frankie Boy” Salerno/41
Joseph "Sammy" Sammartino/60
Anthony “Skinny” Santoro/52 (UI)
Ronald Scala/64
Anthony "Scal" Sclafani/69
Paul “Fat Paulie” Spina/61
Enzo "The Baker" Stagno/50
Joseph "Joe Curly" Taglianetti/74
Arthur "Harvey" Tarzia/50
Joseph Torre/60
Charles "Crazy Charlie" Travella/68
Anthony Vaccaro/51/Acting Capo
Anthony “Fat Sammy” Valenti
Joseph Yannucci
FNU "Mark from Jersey" LNU


Imprisoned Members:
Anthony “Ace/T” Aiello/37 (IP/5/06/2031)
Baldassare “Baldo” Amato/62 (IP/L)
Louis "Louie HAHA" Attanasio/71 (IP/1/23/2018)
Vincent "Vinny Gorgeous" Basciano/56 (IP/L)
Giacomo “Jack” Bonventre/46 (IP/8/1/2026)
Peter ‘Peter Rabbit” Calabrese/65 (IP/2/13/2017)
Fabrizio "The Herder" DeFrancisci/44 (IP)
Anthony “Little Anthony” Donato/56 (IP/8/29/2026)
Gino Galestro/45 (IP/11/10/2023)
Anthony Guarino/58 (IP/6/29/2017)
Anthony “Bruno” Indelicato/67 (IP/9/28/2023)
Robert "Little Robert" Lino/48 (2/2/2028)
Stephen “Stevie Blue” LoCurto/53 (IP/L)
Pasquale “Little Patty/Patty Boy” Maiorino/56 (UI/IP)
Daniel “Dirty Danny/DeDe” Mongelli/47 (IP/12/06/2023)
John Palazzolo/77 (IP)
Thomas "Tommy Karate" Pitera/59 (IP/L)
John “Bazoo” Ragano/53 (IP/10/5/2017)
John “Johnny Joe” Spirito/56 (IP/1/18/2021)
Anthony "Tony Green" Urso/79 (12/05/2021)


Members Who Have Died Since 1998:
Nicholas Accardi (2002)
John “Big Head” Arcaro (2001)
Giuseppe Arcuri (2001)
Joseph Benanti (2007)
Anthony Bonacci (2001)
Joseph “Joe Bananas” Bonanno (2002)
Salvatore “Bill” Bonanno (2007)
Salvatore Bruno (2006)
Salvatore Caccamise (2011)
Antonio Cacciopo (2009)
John Caltagirone (2006)
Joseph "Joe C/Joe Saunders" Cammarano (2013)
Gaspar Cammarata (1999)
William "Cappy" Capparelli (2012)
Vincent “Jimmy Fort Lee” Capasso (1999)
John “Boobie” Cerasani (2007)
Gerard "Jerry" Chilli (2016)
Joseph “Junior” Chilli (2008)
Frank Cotroni (2004)
Patrick "Patty from the Bronx" DeFilippo (2013)
Salvatore "Paintglass" D’Ottavio (1999)
Ralph Dolce (2006)
Alfred "Al Walker" Embarrato (2001)
John “Johnny Green Eyes” Faraci (2011)
Arthur Franconieri (2001)
Emanuel "Manny from the Bronx" Guaragna (2008)
Giovanni Ligammari (1999) (Suicide)
Pietro "Peter" Ligammari (1999) (Suicide)
Anthony Lucido (2010)
Salvatore Maiorino
Thomas Malletti (1999)
Nicholas "Nicky Cigars/Glasses" Marangello (2000)
Louis “Louie Cigars” Mele (2007)
Joseph Messina (2014)
Frank Mistretta
Salvatore “Sal the Ironworker” Montagna (2011) (Killed)
Charles “Crazy Charlie” Musillo (2009)
Vito “Wally” Palazzolo (1999)
Anthony Parisi (1998)
Louis Restivo (2015)
Gerlando “Georgie from Canada” Sciascia (1999) (Killed)
Salvatore “Sally Bross” Scudiero (2006)
Anthony "Little Anthony" Seccafico (2009) (Killed)
Anthony “The Old Man” Spero (2008)
Joseph “Joe T” Taoromina (2001)
Michael "Mike the Butcher" Virtuoso (2012)


Members Who Have Flipped:
Genoroso “Jimmy the General” Barbieri/Soldier/Former Acting Capo
Joseph “Jersey Joe” Bonanno/Soldier/Acting Capo
Paul Cantarella/Soldier
Richard "Shellackhead" Cantarella/Capo/Acting UnderBoss
Dominick Cicale/Soldier/Acting Capo
Frank Coppa/Capo
Joseph "Joey Mook" D'Amico/Soldier
William Dara/Soldier (Dead)
Frank "Curly" Lino/Capo
Michael “Sonny” Maggio/Soldier
Joseph "Big Joey/The Ear" Massino/Boss
Nicholas “P.J” Pisciotti/Soldier/Acting Capo
Peter Rosa/Soldier
James "Jimmy Tag/Big Lou" Tartaglione/Capo
Salvatore "The Chief" Vitale/UnderBoss

Colombo family

Administration:
1. Boss: Carmine "Junior/The Snake" Persico/83 (IP/L)
-Acting Boss: Andrew "Andy Mush" Russo/80
2. UnderBoss: Benjamin "The Little Guy/Claw/Benji" Castellazzo/77
-Acting UnderBoss: Dominic "Donny Shacks" Montemarano/76
3. Consiglieri: ?????
-Acting Consiglieri: Thomas “Tom Mix/Mr. T” Farese/72


Capos:
1. Joseph Amato/56 - Brooklyn
2. Joseph Baudanza/70 - Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island
3. Dennis "Fat/Little/The Beard" DeLucia/72 - Brooklyn and the Bronx
4. Thomas “Tom Mix/Mr. T” Farese/72 – South Florida
5. Ralph Lombardo Sr/84/Luca DiMatteo/70 (IP) – Brooklyn, Queens and Long Island
6.Theodore “Teddy” Persico Sr/78 - Brooklyn
7. Theodore "Teddy/Skinny" Persico Jr/51 (IP/8/21/2020) - Brooklyn
8. Thomas Petrizzo/81 - Brooklyn
9. William “Billy” Russo/53 - Brooklyn
10. Michael Uvino/49/Michael Catapano/51 – Brooklyn and Long Island


Soldiers: (Some of these guys are no longer active)
Sebastian Aloi Jr.
Vincent "Vinny" Aloi/84
Joseph “Chubby” Audino/69
Salvatore “Sally Bread” Cambria
Frank “Campy” Campanella/56 (UI)
Daniel Capaldo/50
Richard “The Jeweller” Capichano/67
Thomas Capelli
Robert “Bobby Bibbs” Cassamassino/69
Alphonse Cirillo/77
Gerard “Jerry Green Eyes” Clamenza/56
James Clamenza
Anthony Colombo/63
Anthony “Funzied” D’Ambrosia
Andre D'Apice/38
Andrew D’Apice/83
Dennis DeLucia/66
Robert “Rob” Donofrio/51
Emanuele “Manny” Favuzza/57
Vincent “Jimmy Gooch” Febbraro/79
Michael “Mikey” Ferrara
Salvatore Fusco Jr/46
Joseph "Joe Smash" Gambale
Joseph "Joe Notch" Iannaci/77
Anthony “Tony Black” Induisi/66
Frank “Chickie” Leto/76
Joseph Lupo/85
John Maggio/50
James Malpeso
Anthony Maltese/87
Salvatore Mangiamelli/79
Vincent "Downtown Vinny" Manzo/73
Craig Marino/46
Victor Orena Jr/53
John Orena
Charles “Charlie Moose” Panarella/92 (UI)
Robert Pate
Thomas Petrizzo/79
Francesco “Frankie P/Cap" Politi/57 (UI)
Salvatore “Sally Pro” Profaci/78
Vincent "Vinny Unions/Buffalo/Three Fingers" Ricciardo/69
Nicky Rizzo/86
John Rossatti
Frank “Frankie the Bug” Sciortino/81
Gus “Buddy” Spatafora/71
James "Jimmy O'Toole" Spitaleri
John S-------
Anthony Stropoli/47
Frank "Frankie BF" Sturiano
Robert Tarantola
Joseph "Joe T" Tomasello/75
Joseph “Joe” Tolino
Frank “Frankie Collision” Tormenia/70
Joseph Zorzi/79
FNU “Sally from Coney Island” LNU
Phil LNU


Possible Members:
Dominick LoGazzo
Angelo Marone
Joey Rago
Lee Vaserta


Imprisoned Members:
Dominick Bretti/76 (IP/L)
Joel "Waverly" Cacace/69 (U/IP/6/24/2020)
Aurelio “Ray” Cagno/67 (IP/L)
Ralph DeLeo/69 (IP/10/2/2025)
Vincent “Chickie” DeMartino/52 (IP/1/01/2025)
John "Jackie" DeRoss/73 (IP/L)
John "Sonny" Franzese/96 (IP/6/25/2017)
Thomas "Tommy Shots/Bop" Gioeli/63 (IP/9/9/2024)
Joseph “Joe Legs” Legrano/66 (IP/12/31/2018)
Angelo Leto (IP)
Joseph “Joe Monte” Monteleone/71 (IP/L)
Victor “Little Vic” Orena/75 (IP/L)
Alphonse "Little Allie Boy" Persico/61 (IP/L)
Anthony "Chucky" Russo/55 (IP/L)
Dino “Little Dino” Saracino/41 (IP/2/06/2052)
Joseph Savarese/50 (IP/2/16/2020)
Illario “Fat Larry” Sessa/46 (IP/6/7/2017)
Michael Sessa/50 (IP/L)
Gregory "Greg" Scarpa Jr/56 (IP/10/17/2035)


Members Who Have Died Since 1998:
Anthony "Abbie Shots/Shatz”" Abbattemarco (2005)
Benedetto "Benny" Aloi (2011)
Pasquale “Patty” Amato (2015)
Robert Barbieri (2002)
Frank “Frankie Camp” Campione (2012)
Peter Campisi (2002)
Joseph "Junior Lollipops" Carna (2012)
Vincent Cascio (2007)
Joseph Colombo Jr. (2014)
William "Wild Bill" Cutolo (1999) (Killed)
Jerome "Gene" D’Agati (2001)
Paul D'Amico (2002)
Leonard Dello (2009)
Robert Falvo (2010)
Edward Fanelli
Richard “Ritchie Nerves” Fusco (2013)
Salvatore Fusco Sr. (2000)
Joseph “Joe Black” Gorgone (2010)
Vincent “Vinny the Sicilian” Gugliaro (2002)
Joseph Juliano Sr. (2002)
Gennaro "Gerry Lang" Langella (2013)
Ernest LaPonzina (2004)
Joseph LaRosa (2006)
Benjamin "Benny" LoCicero (2003)
Frank "Cisco" LoCicero (2011)
Paul Lombardino (1998)
Salvatore "Tutti" Lombardino Jr. (2015)
Albert Maione (2003)
Louis "Bo Bo" Malpeso Sr. (2003)
Ralph Piccirillo (2001)
Philip Rossillo (1998)
Joseph "Joey Flowers" Rotunno (2005)
Anthony Russo Sr. (2010)
Joseph "JoJo" Russo (2007)
Joseph “Joe Lefty” Sangiorgio (2001)
Anthony “Scappy” Scarpati (2002)
Anthony "Tony Ski" Scianna (2009)
John Scimone (2002)
Ralph Scopo Jr. (2013)
Joseph "Joe Yack" Yacovelli (2006)
Robert "Bobby Zam" Zambardi (2014)


Members Who Have Flipped:
Paul “Paulie Guns” Bevacqua/Acting Capo (Dead)
Rocco Cagno/Soldier
Dino “Big Dino” Calabro/Capo
Joseph "Joe Camp" Campanella/Soldier
Joseph “Joey Caves” Competiello/Soldier
Michael "Mikey" Franzese/Soldier/Acting Capo
Reynold "Ren" Maragni/Capo
Salvatore "Big Sal" Miciotta/Soldier/Acting Capo
John Pate/Capo
Alan Quattrache/Soldier
Anthony Russo/Acting Capo
Sebastiano “Sebby” Saracino/Soldier
Greg “The Grim Reaper” Scarpa Sr/Capo (Dead)
Carmine Sessa/Consiglieri
Michael “Mikey” Souza/Soldier

Interesting. Was John Contello demoted? I also wonder about the status of Anthony Calabrese and Vinny TV.

You forgot vinny badalamenti, he is a capo and owns a social club down the street from my old apartment and they are there during the day usually M-F in bensonhurst

Anyone know a guy named Robert "Cousin Bobby" Napolitano ...or Bobby Nap or Nappy as they also call him? I was in Fort Dix with him a few years back. i just cant believe this guy is a wiseguy. the biggest punk anyone has ever seen. The Italians didnt even stay with him. He stayed with rapists and rats. Apparently before I got there he got knocked out by some Albanian junkie and he cried and never did got him back. Then some black guy smacked him. I saw that for myself. And then when he went to the east side of FD...he got beat up again and did nothing. Then it comes out that he use to have sex with some dude here and then he had to check in and went back to the west side. I heard hes out there acting thr part. I just dont understand how his people allow that. There were many other cases of wiseguys getting punked out and even extorted while I was away but Bobby Nap by far takes the cake!

For a New York wiseguy, he ain’t too smart.

By JEANE MACINTOSH

Federal prosecutors have moved to yank the $2.5 million bail of longtime Gambino crime-family associate Robert “Cousin Bobby” Napolitano, saying he “quickly reverted to his criminal ways” days after being sprung from the slammer last week.

In papers filed in Manhattan federal court yesterday, the feds said Napolitano, a longtime enforcer and collector for the mob, ignored a judge’s order and started fraternizing with convicted felons, asking them to help identify anyone cooperating with the government in the case against him.

Napolitano was arrested Sept. 20 on a slew of charges. This in 2011 now Napolitano is free.

Gambino associate, got jammed up in the Trucchio busts in Queens a couple of years ago.

Bobby Napolitano was in the Trucchio crew and was busted in 2011 but now is free.
The other wiseguys busted are still in jail so maybe he stay ed with rats and rapists and the italians isolated him bmaybe because is a rat (why he is free ?) and made sex with other inmates ?

I dont recall hearing he was a rat but he definitely was viewed as a punk and no one spoke to him. And then it came out he was a closet homosexual.

Robert Napolitano from Franklin Square Long Island NY

Columbo Family Strength:

Add up every member in jail for life
Add up every member in jail for 20+ years or more
Add up every member over the age of 70
Add up every semi-retired or Florida member

Subtract that from the total membership.

There ain't much left.

Other families are still very much active. The Bonannos more so then the Colombos. Bonannos have been getting stronger, mainly because many people over look the arrangement made between Giovanni Gambino of the Gambino family, and Vito Grimaldi of the Bonanno family. Anthony Rabito made some sort of arrangement with Ally Shades of the Genovese family back in the 2000's and an arrangement with Lubrano and Santorelli of the Lucchese family.

@Giacomo

Your last post got my attention, exactly what are these arrangements, if you feel like elaborating?

Whats the John Gambino/Grimaldi thing?

Combining all those serving 20 years up to life, maybe a dozen, give or take.



This is where you really get off track. Look at the ages shown on the charts. 70 is prime age as far as the NY mob is concerned. Maybe 80 or above would go more to the point you're trying to make. And for that you can probably add another dozen or so.



This one is harder to tell but the number for semi-retired or otherwise inactive is probably a good chunk of any mob family. But the above 80+ members would figure into that since you're apparently saying they become a non-factor due to age.



Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that half of the family's membership is doing long stretches in prison, is semi-retired or inactive due to age or other reasons, that still leaves about 50 active members on the street. While I don't put a whole lot of stock in associate figures, if we go by the standard member-to-associate ratio we see (1:5) while also assuming only half of them are on the street, that still leaves the Colombos with a total manpower of roughly 300 members and associates.

Beyond all that, look at the cases against the Colombos over the past 15+ years. Have they declined compared to the past? Of course. But they continue to have a functioning hierarchy and ongoing criminal operations in the New York area, as well as Florida to a much lesser extent.

Here is the thing, and I have studied the charts for the last 12 years, time after time I see guys busted in the newspapers as Capos, longtime soldiers, etc. and I look back at the charts and the guys aren't even listed as made members. Never even heard of the before. So you can take the family charts, subtract all the guys in jail or dead, then add about 20 to 30 for the guys that slipped through.

For example, you got two guys that are at least soldiers, maybe higher in news articles recently. They aren't on any old charts (that havent been updated) You have Robert the Old Man DeBello who is a longtime soldier not on the charts and you have Eugene Rooster Onofrio who supposedly made his bones in 72, supposedly inducted after his release from prison in 79 and has went under the radar the past 30 years while not only being a made guy, but was also a major player in the Genovese Family. So the charts aren't really the tip of the iceberg, I would say the made guys unknown to the public are the tip of the iceburg. So there are roughly 20 percent of made guys we don't know about, some are even acting capos. We have to realize that fact and take things in perspective. No one is omnipresent.

Gambino had first picks from Sicilians coming Palermo providence, while the Bonanno family had first picks from Trapani providence. This is an arrangement of recruits. There are a lot of Zips in New York City, who are made but do not belong to one of the Five Families, they belong to Castellammarese, Villabate, Bagheria, or Palermo families, but operate in the states. The recruits can not be made with a family from Sicily. Operation Old Bridge shed some light on the matter, but not the full details of the talks.

The arrangements Rabito made with the other families were really matters of peace and making money in certain neighborhoods without stepping on other families toes.

Does no one remember the party the Bonannos family had less then a year ago.


Inside the Bonanno crime family's Staten Island Christmas party

The Staten Island shindig, at Bocelli Restaurant on Hylan Blvd., was mandatory for crime family members.

BY
John Marzulli
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 6:30 PM

It was a “family” Christmas.

The newly minted Bonanno boss Joseph Cammarano Jr., hosted the crime family's annual Christmas party at an Italian restaurant on Staten Island that was voted one of the best eateries in the city by the Zagat guide.

The six-hour food fest was held from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Dec. 16 at Bocelli Restaurant on Hylan Blvd. under the watchful eyes and cameras of the FBI and the NYPD, according to papers filed in Brooklyn Federal Court.

It was mandatory attendance for the crime family's administration, which included reputed consigliere Anthony Rabito and more than a dozen capos and soldiers, the court filings say.

The Old World-style restaurant is located in a strip mall, but the Zagat guide praised the upscale food at Manhattan prices.

Former boss Joseph Massino used to hold the party in his restaurant, Casablanca, in Queens.

Cammarano, 56, controls the family's "day-to-day criminal activities," according to court papers.

Cammarano's promotion to acting underboss and street boss, exclusively reported Monday in The Daily News, is a sign that the beleaguered family is trying to rebuild after the prosecutions and defections of its members in recent years.

Bocelli's owner did not return a call seeking comment about the Christmas party.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...ticle-1.2503900

@Giacomo

That very interesting, I gotta comb through that Old bridge indictment more closely.


This is still an ongoing thing? It's been 8 years going on 9 right? It would actually kind of explain why the Bonnanos have 17 crews, Gambinos maintain a high number of crews, but, like say the Luchesses and Colombos stay around say, 100 guys and about what 8-10 crews?

I always kinda got the impression these families been doing this since probably the 50s, the Gambinos and Bonnanos I mean....

I ask because of NEW BRIDGE, and the recent deveolopments with the Calabrians in NY. You got any idea how that works currently?

Are these zips working on a specific purpose like moving drugs, or do they just operate like an American wise guy?

I'm willing to bet there's some overlap and some of those are the same crews. I doubt the Bonannos have 17 crews. They were said to have 15 crews at most in the late 1990s/early 2000s before the indictments really started coming down.

Don't listen to Giacamo Vacari, he makes things up, got exposed and ran off the black hand forum

Didn't Cheech get ran off here because he photoshopped pictures of John Gotti's face on to Lexington Steele's body?

@Ivey




You can see how one would get wrong impressions on some of this stuff. To a casual observer, if they were to read a recent article, it looks like the Bonnanos are the the third strongest, at least.

During Massinos height of power, he had 15 functioning crews right? Everyone would agree they haven't gotten stronger since he flipped? Or is this wrong?

On the Colombos,they are primarily in Brooklyn, on Long Island, and maybe Queens? I always wondered, did Gerry Lang have any protégés?

Operation New Bridge was back in 2013 or 2014, it was mainly aimed at the Calabrians on Italy's end, but many routes lead to the Bonanno and Gambino families, so instead of going after them separately, both authorities combined their efforts and resources. I think Scott still posts on here, he would be the best one to answer that for you.
On the Zips, they are into narcotics, smuggling, among other things. Villabate has a strong hold in New York City, made up of three or four families from there, but their number of men of honor seems to be no more than 20.

Yeah some reports had the family with as many as 15 crews. They are definitely not stronger than they were 15-20 years ago. They had 15 members flip, including a boss, underboss, and several captains.

As for the Colombos, they are certainly the most geographically limited family in NY. The vast majority of their presence in Brooklyn, as well as Long Island to a lesser extent.

@Giacomo



That's very interesting stuff, we might need a new thread, which Sicilian families are operative in NY, what territory they operate in, and what their five family allegiances are.

The criminal landscape in NY might be more dynamic than we realize, I think the presence of all these groups probably ENHANCE each other....

The Cottone and Montalto clans are pretty much aligned with the Colombo family through the Profaci-Magliocco family. Antonio Mandala pops up a lot, but he took over the old Cottone clan as far as I can tell. Antonio Cottone was also a member of the Profaci family before he went back to Sicily. He was killed in 1956. The Prizzi Clan is aligned with the Gambino family. Brooklyn-Long Island-Queens is where a majority of them are, while a few are on Staten Island.

Respectfully, I think this discussion on The Columbo's deserves its own post. I have always been interested in The Bonanno's and lately the lack of info on The Columbo's deserves its own thread.

See all these posters quoting this and laughing? Me either.

I Had to google Lexington Steele. You must be a fan of his.

who ran me off?

Should I post the screenshots of you trying to post across the street under a different identity. You were outed right away and you left with your tail between your legs. Anyone here that posts at the other place knows. I can always post the screen shots.

Punk

What do you mean post under a different identity?! Barely anyone uses the same username over there. I wasn't pretending to be someone else.

There is no moral victory gained in you and your Freddy Krueger looking friend getting me booted off that forum because of a petty personal vendetta.

One mob forum is enough for me anyway. Same things posted on both forums.

See if I Care.

Spoken like the fa***t I know you to be. Didn't think I was going to see that post huh? Took a few weeks but someone eventually showed me.
Those dumb fucking Irish still fighting each other over there? St Patricks day. Worst holiday of the year. Every obnoxious pale faced fuck comes out of the wood work. All the Murphy's and O'Hallorans with their phony beer balls crawling from pub to pub like the rats they are.

Cornball.

I hope you guys know each other in the real world and one of you slept with the others wife or something!!!

And if not jeez ... Relax guys it's suppose to be a fun message board!

There has got to be something better to spend your energy and focus on!

Shouldnt you be driving around looking for fetanyl patches?

LOl

No board admin deal with the sick comments above? I thought there are some sort of board rules here.

One stopped posting for some time now. One you will see once a week. One comes and goes, and I think SC is on vacation IRL, so next week it will be dealt with I am sure.

cheech and his big mouth earned a two month vacation. Merry Christmas in jail (to quote Mr. Potter).

It says a lot about the intelligence (or lack thereof) of people like Cheech that they always have to resort to homophobia and racism.

Ironic that he calls the Irish dumb when the Irish successfully integrated into American society as soon as they emigrated while the Italian gangsters he idolizes had to resort to petty crime.

And fanboys like Cheech still make excuses for these dregs of society while making deranged comments about black people.

Definition of irony.

"Pale faced"? We're not all stereotypes, Cheech.

Don't throw insults around just because your girlfriend got tired of your banana nose and greasy skin and wanted a real man.

Sorry, SC, for bringing myself down to Cheech's level. I didn't think he would react to my - clearly humorous original comment - with such sick hatred and xenophobia.

Lol yup you have no life..

And no I'm clean now. Broke my leg and got hooked. No excuses I liked it. But I got through it. A lesser man like yourself would be in the gutter somewhere giving $10 bjs.

remind someone we're not all stereotypes... begin stereotyping very next sentence.

i'm not invested in this dispute between you two, but way to shoot yourself in the foot.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING you say is humorous. When are you going to get that through your head? You come on here antagonizing Cheech, knowing that he will respond. You have caused the members here to resent you. You have posted ANTI-Italian rants. Can't you just act friggin normal for once?

Who do you think were on the wiseguys' payroll, lining their pockets? It certainly wasn't the Chinese!! It was the Irish cops, and corrupt officials. Those are the worst kind. Get your facts straight.

We all come on this forum to read, learn, and share. I cannot say that about Moe. He comes on here to instigate certain members like he just did here with Cheech. Moe posts with the INTENT to stir up trouble.

SC, in all fairness, Moe should get some type of vacation too. This guy has a history of causing trouble.

He certainly isn't a saint and many of his posts can be quite argumentative. But rather than get into a fight between this guy and that guy and their respective friends I am asking all to chill out with the nasty remarks.

This certainly isn't a board for saints but we should show a little respect for other members even if we don't like them or what they're saying.

C'mon guys and gals.... the holiday season is coming up. Let's try to stay in the spirit of the season and be kind to each other.

Yep Moe should have gotten it too with the racist bullshit he just tried to spread. Part of my line up North is Irish so I'm a mutt myself and find this shit sickening. If I had said the same about say Gets or something because of his skin, I'm sure I would be gone myself. To me this is no different than me calling him the N-word on here "just to say it" but I got more class than Moe and I'm definitely not racist like Moe.

PS-Sorry Gets for bringing your name up bro, I just figured it was my best way to explain it. Not trying to throw you in this horrible b.s. either. Just my opinion in this situation...

dixie -

In the future when you see posts that are insulting to you use the "Notify" feature so we moderators can see the offending post and take any needed action. We want all our members happy and it isn't right that some take offense at what others write here.

Not a problem SC and will do. This stuff is getting old with him. Between some of the new trolls and him keeping on with his b.s. it gets old quick.

Many go after Moes, but few go after Crash/Pogo. I have come to appreciate Moe a little more and more. Pogo is a good research, only a fool would say otherwise. But many of the Mafia forums are really a buddy, buddy system with many posters. They go after someone who is not in their circle and let those who are in their circle slide most of the time on some offensive stuff, I say most not all all.
Cheech has been on this road many times before, so it is nothing new to him.
AG, Dix, and I are not above it as well. Just learn from the mistakes. Reading the posts across the street has been most entertaining and enlightening to know who the posters really are, shame I can not post over there, but at least I have access to all threads over there.