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Why did Gravano rat?

Posted By: blueracing347

Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 02:19 PM

I know the fbi had all the wire taps. But they didnt have too much on him. If he didnt rat, would him, Gotti, and Frank Loc stand a chance. Did they have other witnesses or was it only those tapes? I also recall Gravano saying Gotti wanted him to take the call for it all.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 02:19 PM

The fall not call.
Posted By: Tonytough

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 03:12 PM

-Sammy did not want to go jail
- saw that Gotti would either whack or demote him down the line EVEN if they beat the case
- the tapes buried them and he realised that along with Gotti pinning the motives on him (which was the truth anyway)

So all in all Sammy knew he was done for win or lose and the only way out was turn stoolie

He was caught on tape Yrs later talking to Fat Dom I think it, saying guys he liked- he would just bluff the Feds and say I don't know any info
on him
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 04:04 PM

Sammy used Gotti's bad mouthing as an excuse. He would of turned if Gotti called him the best thing since macoroni. He never did any time and didnt want to spend the rest of his life in prison. He knew they were dead to rights and im sure the governement had much more on gravano than what we read in the papers, same with locascio. Although locascio should have only received 5-10 years not life.

Same goes for leonetti, he would of cooperated no matter what. He didnt want to spend all that time in prison. Prison is not a fun place no matter who you are with behind bars. In all the pics we see of mob guys in prison, smiling and hanging out with a bunch of guys,trust me, they are miserable but just making the best out of a really bad sutuation. Dont believe the smiles in those photo's..
Of course doing a short stint will make things much better.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Belmont
Same goes for leonetti, he would of cooperated no matter what. He didnt want to spend all that time in prison.


Leonetti is the only cooperator who's story I believe. He didn't want his son to get involved in the life, the same way he got involved. He was already doing stuff for his cousin while Phil was in jail.

His son, Phillip jr., finished med school and is now a doctor. The other reason I believe him is that he hasn't been involved in a crime whatsoever since. Unless he's a criminal mastermind and gets away with everything, which I don't believe because like I said he's the only one who's story I truly believe..
Posted By: BobbyPazzo

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 04:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Belmont
Sammy used Gotti's bad mouthing as an excuse. He would of turned if Gotti called him the best thing since macoroni. He never did any time and didnt want to spend the rest of his life in prison. He knew they were dead to rights and im sure the governement had much more on gravano than what we read in the papers, same with locascio. Although locascio should have only received 5-10 years not life.

Same goes for leonetti, he would of cooperated no matter what. He didnt want to spend all that time in prison. Prison is not a fun place no matter who you are with behind bars. In all the pics we see if mob guys in prison, smiling and hanging out with a bunch of guys,trust me, they are miserable but just making the best iut if a really bad sutuation. Dont believe the smiles in those photo's..
Of course doing a short stint will make things much better,

Yea u got guys who will make your time easier because you're tight with them and u can confide in them but at the end of the day there's no pussy, u shit in close wuarters with another man, and the list goes on. It's miserable.
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted By: Belmont
Same goes for leonetti, he would of cooperated no matter what. He didnt want to spend all that time in prison.


Leonetti is the only cooperator who's story I believe. He didn't want his son to get involved in the life, the same way he got involved. He was already doing stuff for his cousin while Phil was in jail.

His son, Phillip jr., finished med school and is now a doctor. The other reason I believe him is that he hasn't been involved in a crime whatsoever since. Unless he's a criminal mastermind and gets away with everything, which I don't believe because like I said he's the only one who's story I truly believe..


Phil would have been passed around like a fifty cent hooker in the joint and he knew it. He would have ratted and used the same story even if he was facing 1/4 of the time.

And how he says he got out for his son bullshit. Had he not gotten busted you think he would have turned just out of the goodness of his heart to save his son? Yeah right. Had he not got caught he would still be at it on the streets and loving it. This guy is 100% full of shit no matter how you cut it.

It's no surprise he hasn't been busted for anything since they let the piece of shit keep like $3 million to start fresh with. Maybe he's just not as dumb as gravano who is a complete fucking moron.
Posted By: JackieAprile

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 08:01 PM

Sammy, while booked in the MCC, talked to a prison shrink. Who diagnosed Sammy with a "pathological fear of prison time". Sammy would've ratted no matter what. The tapes and Gotti's idiotic remarks were just a good excuse and good justification for betraying everything he supposedly believed in.
Posted By: downtown

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 10:41 PM

Just my thoughts but Gravano was just a little bit more shrewd and always knew he could broker a deal with the Feds after he was pinched. He was able to play Tough Guy when he was free and walking around , and always knew he would be able to RAT if and when he was not able to beat the charges. I don't believe that he was ever a tough guy period ! For Christsakes he was a Friggin Hairstylist before he was made.
Posted By: Tonytough

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 10:46 PM

Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted By: Belmont
Same goes for leonetti, he would of cooperated no matter what. He didnt want to spend all that time in prison.


Leonetti is the only cooperator who's story I believe. He didn't want his son to get involved in the life, the same way he got involved. He was already doing stuff for his cousin while Phil was in jail.

His son, Phillip jr., finished med school and is now a doctor. The other reason I believe him is that he hasn't been involved in a crime whatsoever since. Unless he's a criminal mastermind and gets away with everything, which I don't believe because like I said he's the only one who's story I truly believe..


Sorry don't take this personally but u must be very easily led in life- to believe them "lies"

Leonetti's kid was a teen I believe- when Phil flipped. IF he wanted to help his son so much, he wouldn't have been a gangster in the first place

U do realise that by staying alive is the best way to make sure the kid grows up away from
the life

Well how would he do that considering he was a gangster either killing people or being marked for death. Which is why the "I did it for my son" is complete BS.

He didn't want to do 50 yrs in the can- simple as that. Plus someone else will have to come along and take care of his "beautiful girlfriend" whilst he's in the can getting pummelled and choked by some big black guys
Posted By: Tonytough

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 11:05 PM

Originally Posted By: downtown
Just my thoughts but Gravano was just a little bit more shrewd and always knew he could broker a deal with the Feds after he was pinched. He was able to play Tough Guy when he was free and walking around , and always knew he would be able to RAT if and when he was not able to beat the charges. I don't believe that he was ever a tough guy period ! For Christsakes he was a Friggin Hairstylist before he was made.


Most guys that enrol on hairdressing courses are gay. My girlfriend is on a course and 99.9% are female

Now if he wanted to become a barber then fine but he himself said he was cutting woman's hair day and night

It's not common to find a wannabe gangster/ tough guy cutting woman's hair and talking to
them about the weather
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 11:25 PM

I've known a few straight male hairdressers/colorists. They get more ass than a toilet seat.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/05/16 11:45 PM

Gianni Russo from Goodfather 1 worked in a hair saloon to get girls. No one ever called him gay.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/06/16 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: downtown
Just my thoughts but Gravano was just a little bit more shrewd and always knew he could broker a deal with the Feds after he was pinched. He was able to play Tough Guy when he was free and walking around , and always knew he would be able to RAT if and when he was not able to beat the charges. I don't believe that he was ever a tough guy period ! For Christsakes he was a Friggin Hairstylist before he was made.

downtown.
I think you are spot on with this post, Sammy was always
untrustworthy, and gottis biggest mistake was not whacking this snitch.
Posted By: Tonytough

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/06/16 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: helenwheels
I've known a few straight male hairdressers/colorists. They get more ass than a toilet seat.


Of course, the same way I know a few straight priests
Posted By: bronx

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/06/16 01:18 AM

work in a beauty parlor to get girls? if you could not get laid in the 60's 70's 80's there was something wrong with you..
Posted By: BobbyPazzo

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/06/16 04:08 AM

The guys in the street used to clown mike cetta (god rest the dead even though he wasn't my favorite human being) because he owned belleza and cut women's hair. They used to say, " he's no gangster ... He's a beautician." They used to mimick him too. Hilarious.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/06/16 04:09 AM

Thank you everyone for your responses. They should've given the guy the death penalty. Maybe it's better they didnt. In his latest pictures he looks like shit. And he has to watch that nasty dog of a daughter on tv.
Posted By: hoodlum

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/06/16 05:13 AM

Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted By: Belmont
Same goes for leonetti, he would of cooperated no matter what. He didnt want to spend all that time in prison.


Leonetti is the only cooperator who's story I believe. He didn't want his son to get involved in the life, the same way he got involved. He was already doing stuff for his cousin while Phil was in jail.

His son, Phillip jr., finished med school and is now a doctor. The other reason I believe him is that he hasn't been involved in a crime whatsoever since. Unless he's a criminal mastermind and gets away with everything, which I don't believe because like I said he's the only one who's story I truly believe..
I second that.
Posted By: Tonytough

Re: Why did Gravano rat? - 09/06/16 11:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Footreads
Gianni Russo from Goodfather 1 worked in a hair saloon to get girls. No one ever called him gay.


A young Gianni had gay written all over him
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