How guards assault inmates w/no consequences

How U.S. prison guards continue assaulting inmates without consequences http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/how-guards-go-on-assaulting-inmates-without-consequences

This is all too real. I've come across some cool CO's while I was incarcerated but the majority are on some real bullshit because they got picked on in high school. I don't want you to get it fucked up and think I don't realize i was in prison and a certain amount of my rights don't exist anymore, but I've seen guards provoke, harass, and brutally beat guys. Then they'll send them to lockup to heal. Once they do, they face a street charge or some other bullshit. Passaic county jail is the worst for this. Lawsuit after lawsuit. I learned from older heads not to feed into any of their shit. You can say all you want to me but as long as you don't touch me or fucked with my family/girl at visit, then you can talk that good shit all you want. Anyone here that is familiar with yardville knows Davino. I saw him setup two guys with shanks in their rooms and tell them they have five minutes tonfind it. After five minutes they were in cuffs on the way to lockup. They have a wild amount of power and they abuse it. Like I said, I've met some good guys. Guys that I know from the street and some that I didn't. Some looked out for me (I would never ask for shit) if they did I would make sure they knew it was appreciated. Ill tell you one thing though, I've heard of multiple cases where guys have caught a CO in the streets and got some get back.

You have to understand what kind of person would choose to work in a fuckin prison; someone without any other options.
Most CO's are total white trash and lack intellect.
The abuse on inmates is no laughing matter and very real.

+1 - Well said Belmont

Was Peter Gotti ever charged with trying to whack a warden who gave John a hard time at Marion?

I read a thread on this over decades ago on another forum.....

Well in Junior's book he claims the guards would spread eagle his father naked etc

lewis kasman told the feds while junior gotti was in prison that junior, gene and peter planned to kill some warden i think it was the warden at the prison junior was at and jerry capeci for articles he wrote about the gottis

But i think even the feds have admitted they know kasman was a bullshitter was that true not likely but you never know with that family.

If you're in prison, you're in there for good reason, generally. The punishment has evolved from extremely harsh 200years ago through to comparatively comfortable. You get to speak to your buddies most of the time, shoot pool etc. fuck that, you go to jail, the CO's should tear a hole in your ass. When you thought about committing the crime you got caught for, you obviously weighed up the pros/cons and thought the time would be a reasonable risk...simply because you know usually you usually get treated ok if you keep your head down. if it where a hellhole most would think twice, especially in societies where we have luxuries everywhere (compared to harsh prisons in underdeveloped countries).

The punishment shouldn't be prison, it should happen IN prison...at whatever scale it may be

I believe in not doing the crime if you can't do the time as much as the next guy. But that being said, guards are supposed to be the zoo keepers, not the zoo animals.

I know a bunch of CO's in Hudson and they actually make good money and have good pensions , they all check out after 20-25.

and it's not just inmates . You wouldn't believe the amount and size of employee on employee lawsuits .

So other than physical abuse do the hacks mess with u commonly with things like, spitting on ya food if your in solitary (no chow time), tearing up your mail in front of u, putting u in a cell with a bigger known asss lover....

I think the whole Justice system is unfair....

What I'd like to know is how come if you off a cop or somebody with the last name "Kennedy" you will rot in jail till the day you die.

What makes the life of a cop or a politician worth more than yours or mine?

Think of all the inmates that made bail since Sirhan Sirhan was locked up . And you just shoot at a cop (even if you just graze him) forget it pal, they throw the key away.

As far as I'm concerned I can take care of myself. I have no use for cops or pussy ass CO's. Lets talk about that sheriff in Arizona Joe Arpaio. So he one of us (Italian) who gives a shit, the man should be made to spend an hour or so with a very angry Gasspipe (if he were still free).

They don't just pull movies like the "Shawshank Redemption" out of thin air. Read John Jail Journal or some of the other things that somehow find their way beyond the walls.

Whatever happened to "temper justice with mercy".....???

Sal

Salvi.

Cops have been murdered by mobsters who got off scot free so it goes both ways.

And that's precisely why we, at least here in the US, need to go back to a harsher prison system. I'm talking hard labor. I don't believe guards should be abusing prisoners but what prison has become is a joke. Criminals truly need to fear prison and they dont.

Because the state allesys pumps up and relishes one of their own, it is what it is , lol

A CO job in a F'd up prison is rough. All day every day your in some shit. There are a lot of suicides in jail . Not having direct exposure to that allows us reg folks like us to shrug it off but seeing stuff like that , dealing directly with the body stays in their mind . COs have a for real messed up job and the top rule I've been told is never do something dirty for a prisoner as you are owned after that, obviously not everyone follows this, lol. The amount of lawsuits even amongst employees make that job a shake down attempt from all angles. All those guys looking for the quick pension settlement every second . It's just bad all around for everyone there

Skinny J had a lot of respect when he was in Hudson

Before we abolished the death penalty here in NY. I was out on bail and had to appear in court here in Brooklyn. They had people their taking names of people against the death penalty. Some girl wanted me to sign the petition. So I did and then I told her why I signed it. It would give people doing life a chance to kill some guards.

This is a good example of how criminals (including murderers) and liberals have always been bedfellows. Abolish the death penalty? I've learned to never underestimate the stupidity of many New Yorkers.

Guards are fucked up. I got put in a holding cell recently. I am an old man it was in the summer no air. No water they had a fountain where people were pissing in. The guards were drinking bottled water I asked one for a bottle they looked at me if I was asking for all their money. So many people no where to sit. All those bad guys saw I was struggling they moved so I could sit. Take those bad street guys over any cop any day.

I never like cops because all of them are like that. Never met a good cop. My ex son in law was a cop. He was a stupid prick. He was Russian born the fucking idiot lived her for 25 yeas. He loves Putin like he was his father.

In California CO's top out at 70k/year, with full medical benefits and pension. I know so many people out here that never had a desire to be in law enforcement and then became prison guards because there is literally nothing else out there. I know some people with college degrees that got into corrections. In Sacramento you have all of the state offices so most people try to get on there, but outside of Sac town, if you don't have an education and/or a business acumen, corrections, or law enforcement in general, is bout the only thing going. Paints an ugly picture for the future. The police state is looming.

Unbelievable that there is such a thing as prison stocks..

I'm with you Pal.

"Attica, Attica, Attica"......

Sal

You're confusing low level yards with regular and max security prison. There are no pool tables. And there is punishment "in" prison. The atmosphere you're referring to is typically the case with white collar criminals, wall street types, and some mobsters. But I have a feeling you're not referring to them when you say you want prisons to be tougher.

Ah, and look who starts the partisan bickering on this thread. I imagine you're usually the one that starts it, despite also being the one that complains about it. The lady doth protest too much methinks - WS

I love the "prison should be tougher" crowd, as if that's a true cause for deterrence. There are plenty of countries with penal systems much more harsh than the US and guess what, people still get locked up. Nobody is gonna consider how bad prison is before they commit a crime because no one thinks they're gonna get caught.

Take a look at Joe Arpaio.. Guy has made a storied career out of being tough on crime and making prisons tougher, but those prisons are still overcrowded, cause on the street no one thinks twice about Joe Arpaio and whatever the fuck he's doing in the can.. Don't get me wrong, I don't think prisons should be country clubs, but you guys kill me with the "we need to make prisons tougher" talk.

And for the rich prisoners, prisons are exactly that. Country clubs. As Bob Dylan said, steal a little they throw you in jail. Steal a lot, they make you king. But, yet, I get the feeling these "make prisons tougher" people are not referring to the wall street crooks on their minimum security siestas.

Co-sign.

Without Mentioning names, somebody very , very close to me has done time in the Florida prison system. It wouldn't matter which one because they are constantly moving you around.

Hows this, just one tiny example of the disrespect with which they treat you and your family....

Your Mother (who is a little scared to drive the backwoods of FL alone) hooks up with a few other people who drive 6 hours to visit you. Only to find out that they can't because the place is on "lock down" for some gang shit you had nothing to do with, or your in the hole because you caught your celly stealing from you and had a small fight.

Now they tell your Mother NOTHING all they tell her is she can't see you.. You could be dying from a shank wound but she will never know. So she turns around drives back the six hours to civilization and waits for you to write to her about it.

Sal

All cops are like that? You know how absurd that sounds? Here's a suggestion - rather than blame law enforcement as the bad guys, try not doing those things that get you put behind bars to begin with. And I have to sympathize with prison guards. I have a friend who is one. They have to work with the dregs of society every day.



Nice try but I haven't started anything here. Unlike the organized crime-related thread YOU hijacked with your BS liberal politics, this thread has nothing to do with organized crime. And Footreads mentioned people who were trying to get others to sign a petition against the death penalty. Probably wasn't conservatives doing that. So run along before YOU screw up ANOTHER thread with your crap.

Most police I have encountered (including multiple family members) have a mentality of I am right you are wrong no matter what and have no problem violating your rights of you don't comply (which you may not obligated to). I don't have a problem with all police because I see they are a necessity for order but they enforce laws that are sometimes passed to appease speial interest groups or passed to create revenue for the state.

Again I am not saying all police officers as individuals are bad.

99.9% of the time, if someone isn't doing something they shouldn't be, cops won't even be an issue. And, if anything, people tend to exacerbate the situation by arguing with or getting an attitude with the officer. It's gotten to the point (and we see it on these forums too) where law enforcement and prison guards are looked at as more the bad guys than, well, the actual bad guys. Look how many cases we've seen in just the past few years with some black thug who gets shot and the officer(s) are the ones blamed. Of course, in most of those the officers are later vindicated.

That said, I certainly don't think all cops are perfect or don't do things worthy of being fired or even brought up on charges. For example, one thing that has always pissed me off is how quick some cops are to shoot a dog they perceive as a "threat." In too many of these cases the worst they may have suffered was a bite (big deal) and it's almost like they were looking for something to shoot. But I obviously hold animals to a lower standard than people, who should know how to behave with a police officer. And I don't think many appreciate just how hard of a job that can be.

Nobody forces anybody to be a cop. Its one of the few jobs that you get without a college degree.

You can start young and if you pass all the tests make detective some day along with some good jack and great benefits.

You also get to go to the front of the line at night clubs, fairs and other events. You almost NEVER pay for a meal, and for comedy's sake all the free doughnuts you can handle.

You NEVER get traffic or speeding tickets off duty the minute you flash that badge. And by chance you should shoot and kill some innocent bystander every cop that was there will lie through his teeth to IA for you.

Most cops only hang with other cops. They go the to gun ranges together and shoot free tax payer amo.

And if God forbid one does honestly get killer in the line of fire they get a huge funeral with a 21 gun salute.

What about the poor bastard that dies falling off a roof while working for a roof company, does he get a 21 gun salute?

Then you have the PBA always calling and asking for money for cops.

Like I said, I'm armed and don't need any cops to protect me.

Sal

Your concern for the dog is touching Ivey, lol

Wait there was one cop I liked. It was my handy man he was an ex cop retired big guy he was on the tactical patrol force they rode horses.

We used to talk while he fixed things. He was in the riots in Harlem on his horse. We would not let the rioters past Lexington ave.

Any way I actually talked to him back then. From talking about it he remember me. I liked him because he was prompt and he knew I was not full of shit when I talked about things that happened in my neighborhood.

He died a few years ago from cancer. I bought replacement windows from his son.

I think he's referring to criminals who get "convicted" of murdering a cop, he's not talking about criminals that have beaten the rap

There's a lot of different opinions about this. There is no wrong or right. A lot of this depends on where you're from, your exposer to police (obviously not all have dealt with corrections officers) , your race or ethnicity, and your upbringing. I'm not saying fuck all cops or CO's. My cousin and my daughters godfather is a Paterson cop. He's honest, reasonable, and works with his mind not his impulse. But, as I said before, these guys are usually real jerkoffs. They abuse their power not to teach an inmate a lesson or to rehabilitate but for their own entertainment. Is anyone here familiar with Omar Broadway? Look that up because I'm not going to sit here and explain. Now those were hardened gangbangers in a real fucked up spot in the jersey prison system. Do they belong locked down and deserve minimal movement and freedom? Probably. But to make inmates go through gladiator wars like a fucking sons of anarchy scene or Not allowing inmates to shower or have a reasonable amount of exercise time. This isn't marion. Most of these guys are going home eventually. Is this mental torture and barbaric treatment going to make these men better people when they touch the streets? Some of you say it will make them think twice before they commit a crime again but you are so far off. It only makes a man hateful, resentful, and revengeful. Abuse on top of time to think about it will only fuel a fire that will be felt by all of society. Some of you need to think outside the box a little. If you live in happy and quiet suburbia where cops dont deal with much and people don't deal with discrimination, profiling, and overall mistreatment fro LE then maybe you should stay away from this thread. Everything isn't for everybody. People throw their two cents in when they should shut up and read/listen/watch. You were given two eyes, two ears, and one mouth for a reason. Some people can't help but talk about shit they have no idea about. I respect 97% of posters on here but sometimes SOME of you need to pick your times to open your mouths. It stops you from sounding intelligent and shows a real ignorant side.

@BobbyPazzo
+100 on that


It's always the people completely removed from the environment that got the biggest mouths. They love to complain about stuff that doesn't really affect them at all, not cause they care, but it makes them feel some kind of superior......
BUT THEY STILL WANNA TALK CRIME THOUGH, LOL

I love the quote in Boss of Bosses, where Joe Gallo,says basically he can respect any man, that conducts himself like a man, be it gangster, cop, whatever....

Bobby,

All I can say is this certain person made parole and when he hit the streets he had so much hate and venom for anybody in law enforcement that it totally consumed him for awhile.

I'll tell you this, whenever I watch "cops" type reality shows I allways root for the criminal.......

Salvi

Without question one of the most ignorant posts I've ever read...Do us a favor Sal and go back to jail.

The dog is innocent. The criminals, that so many on these forums worship or seem to have a bleeding heart for, aren't.

you were the first person to make a reference to any political identity on this thread. Anyone can review and see for themselves.

I'm as pro cop/co/le as any criminal will ever be. They are a necessityin our society, and in my opinion should be given greater rights. Stop and frisk in NYC? Absolutely. Carding in Toronto? I'm the biggest supporter.

However, prison guards are a different breed. There's something about dealing with literal maniacs 24/7 that drives you a little off the wall. The lack of accountability and the jurisdiction they have over themselves is grotesque. Even here in soft little baby Canada

The topic of the thread is how guards assault inmates and get away with it, yet somehow the safety of the guards became the topic.

How'd you know skinny Joey had a lot of respect in Hudson"?

Good post BP and I agree

One of my friends was a Paterson cop and my lord , glad your friend was a good one as some in that dept just 15 years ago would do whatever they wanted to, while others like your boy were just good people .

I agree anyone saying all cops , COs , prisoners, even liberals , conservatives etc. are jerk offs etc IMO are extremely dumb . No intelligent person judges an entire group based on a handful of expierences. So please if ur beefing over liberal , conservative bullshit take it to a Fox or MSNBC MB.

Being a criminal or standard LE ( CO's , highway cop etc.) generally speaking is a tough job and it doesn't take long to take your everyday bullshit and become a jerk off

A good friend worked in a F'd up prison and when ever we in JC he always gets shout outs from guys that were locked up as he was able to keep cool. He used to always say the only difference between me and you is you got caught and pepes respected him for that , as anyone that has a lot of cop friends know they break the law as much as anyone , drunk driving , very aggressive driving in general ( actually crazy lol) on the road and even a more risky stuff.

A lot of cops today in the Hudson, Essex, Passaic area are actually pretty scared doing their job , whether it be lawsuits or gangs looking to light them up. I have tinted windows and they all tell me if you get pulled over , immediately roll all your windows down.

Not all can handle the daily stress and some in LE end up acting like criminals themselves. Some are just born assholes, some can't handle the stress and some it just rubs off on em, like BP said it could be for 10 different reasons.

Scum. Pure scum. Ivy and whoever else you are out of line, per the usual. You want nazi camp life? Already being exploited for profit. No one is living large like that anymore, people are suffering trust me. Being locked up sucks, and you are forced to work for pennies already. Guards in Yardville are terrible, constantly harassing a bunch of scared vulnerable kids. Guards in Craf are literally the worst. Guards in Camden county really not that bad. If I ever saw "Mrs. Mack" from Craf on the street I'd spit in her face. hit that bitch with my car or something.

The "scum" are the criminals who have been convicted and are behind bars. And the fact you speak more harshly of correction officers than the criminals tells me all I need to know about you. You say they are "suffering" as if they don't deserve it.

A Nazi camp? Could you be any more dramatic? No, I don't think prisoners should be put into gas chambers. But I don't think that should get to spend all their time playing cards, lifting weights, watching TV, and bullshitting with their fellow lowlifes either. Hard labor and they shouldn't even get pennies. Some classes and counseling for those who are trying to better themselves but just eating, sleeping, and hard labor for the rest.

That was the topic of the thread, until you hijacked it.

The OP asked how prison guards assault inmates and get away with it. Then, you changed the subject to the inmates' guilt and the heroism of the guards. You could start your own thread and talk about how great prison guards are and how "scummy" convicts are. That wasn't the topic here. We're talking about crooked and abusive guards, because they obviously do exist. If you don't want to discuss that, why bother responding at all?

Pretty simple debate if ya's ask me...If you're convicted of a crime and go to prison thinking your bad azz, then take your punishment like a man...If you can't take it like a man, then don't return !!

It's crazy how people take a thread and make it something else. Seems they have tunnel vision and live in a bubble. Ivey, I have steered clear of confrontation with you on many issues because I try to respect everyone's opinion and I keep in mind not everyone is familiar with how things REALLY are. I have said already that I have family and friends in law enforcement and even corrections although not many in the latter. You speak as if ALL inmates are animals and deserve harsh conditions and treatment. You can go to prison or jail for a lot of things. There is a reason you are classified once you are incarcerated. The point of this thread is the abuse of power and the physical abuse issued by CO's and it happens more times than not. I've witnessed it. I've seen it happen whether it was provoked or not. You have corrections officers in gangs, that sell drugs that they bring into the prison, that engage in sexual activity, and they feel they have the right to do so. There are most definetly guys who have integrity and handle themselves the way they SWORE they would. I understand there are sick fucks behind the wall and it is not an easy job. But, if they cannot handle the conditions inside an institution for which they knew they would be subjected to and that the job would entail then they should find a different line of work. There are rules. You are basically saying that they should not follow the rules that they have been instructed to follow because they are dealing with bad people and it is a difficult job doing so. Well then that means that THEY are breaking the law. You know what you sign up for when you get into corrections. There is zero excuse for abuse and barbaric treatment of inmates. NO MATTER WHAT THEY HAVE DONE! You have a code and rules as a corrections officer that you are expected to follow and they often do not abide by those rules. You can feel things should be different and these guys should be able to beat on , deprive of basic human needs, or whatever you feel is right. But, the fact of the matter is, that isn't the way it is. They do what they want and they are wrong for it. This isn't rocket science.

i don't even enjoy this shit anymore. There's becoming less and less threads without any bullshit involved. Everyone is a saint but they sit and talk about OC all fucking day. Get the fuck outta here.

I'll answer you both here. First, nobody highjacked this thread. Because you were guilty of that in the other thread, OakAsFan, you seem to want to now pin that on me but it won't work. I simply addressed the falsehood some were saying in this thread that all cops and corrections officers were bad, scum, etc. And that simply isn't true. And I pointed out that it's telling how these types of people are often more critical of those that are in law enforcement or corrections than actual criminals. It's a trait, for lack of a better word, that I've often seen on these forums. A certain type that roots for the bad guys and worships gangsters come on these forums with everyone else.

Anyway, nobody is saying all cops are CO's are perfect. There are definitely some bad ones. And nobody is excusing mistreatment of prisoners. But, in the whole, let's not lose sight of the overall reality of things here. Too many do that too easily and, when I point it out, they get all offended.



Nobody claimed to be a saint. And one doesn't have to have a bleeding heart for criminals or root for mobsters to study and discuss organized crime.

Ivy advocates cruel and unusual punishment.

I thought you were a stickler for the Constitution, Ivy? Or is that only when it benefits your argument?

I know what you mean i feel like every thread just turns into petty arguing and bullshit i am losing interest in the site because of it.

Meh, easy to clamor for harsher prisons when one hasn't ever set a foot in any jail to visit, much less serve time in one, and the point about cruel and unusual punishment that was just brought up is pretty valid imo.

Lastly, support for the DP isn't some conservative core belief.

Hell I am close to a white guy, and as a kid we were always stopped and frisked. This nothing new. Buildings used heating oil, and they had water pipes. That is where we hid weapons even money until we needed them.

It's what he does. Constantly push his conservative moral agenda. This thread like you said is about guards who abuse inmates. As a person who was verbally and physically abused by NJ prison guards, I come here and share my thoughts, and try to stop ivy from his usual derail. What I get is him responding " the fact that you speak more harshly of the guards tells me all I need to know." Well you dont know me or what I have been through,andeverything you think you know about prison is probably things youve read or saw on TV or movies. Also I hope someone stabs your friend who is a CO. I seriously mean that. Fuck that guy and his life. Have a nice day

bingo. They just dont get it. People like ivy. Biggest hypocrite

I am a stickler for the Constitution. So I would ask you where I have ever advocated for cruel and unusual punishment but I know you couldn't answer the question. And hard labor is not cruel and unusual punishment.



I assume you're referring to me and, if so, you're talking out of your ass. I worked in the courts for a long time and know people who work in corrections. That you think cruel and unusual punishment applies to anything here shows you're as clueless as mightyhealthy is.



Do I push a conservative moral agenda or simply a moral agenda? Not that you have any understanding of morals judging by your post above. In fact, you're a perfect example of what I've been talking about in this thread. You're criminal in nature and so you either sympathize with criminals if not an ex-con yourself. Now, a truly changed and repentant ex-con I have all the sympathy in the world for. But not a bitter ex-con who spends more time blaming the guards than looking in the mirror, or just some schmuck who can't tell the bad guys from the good ones, and wishes some innocent person he doesn't even know to get stabbed. All you've shown is you're a piece of shit.

The reason some of you guys are all butt hurt is because what I'm saying hits close to home and you can't handle it. The truth hurts.

Ivy League, you had to have been a cop. Only cops are this stubborn and self righteous. They must teach you guys at the academy how to effectively troll on the internet and make peoples' blood curl.

Or, having a kid in one. The guy in California who pushed for non violent drug offenders to be released was a former right wing Republican who supported the death penalty. Until his kid got caught selling drugs. you'd be surprised what happens to your convictions on national and global issues when you finally have skin in the game. Seeing that kid you played catch with and taught how fish wearing that orange jump suit. Going to visit him and seeing bruises on his face that he doesn't want to talk about. You know he's being violated sexually but you just block out the thought. Like the thought of dying. You now it'll happen, but you dont' think about it. You'd do anything to either get your kid out of there, or lobby to make the system more lenient. It's not liberalism. It's love and survival.

Never been a cop. Was a juvenile probation officer. And it never ceases to amaze me how anyone who actually has a sense of morality is automatically labeled self righteous.

And it's pretty rich you calling anyone else a troll. Ever since you were shown to be completely ignorant of history on that last thread, thereafter turning it into your own personal liberal politics soapbox, you've had a stick up your ass.

Here's an idea. Rather than carry a grudge, why don't you think before you make a fool of yourself by making one stupid post after another on this board. Just a thought.

When you commit a crime and get caught, you are to be punished. I cleaned up my act after spending a couple of weeks in jail. My dad was a c.o. in the county I was in jail. I had to sit in protective custody for that reason. After five days, I signed papers and took my chances in gen-pop. I found out that blacks were the most racist of the group's there. I realized that jail sucks and everyone is innocent. If you fuck up enough to land in a bad prison and the guards beat you up, sorry about your luck. To the assholes that plead down from the death penalty for life, I would much rather die. Its ok for the guards to get beat up by the prisoners? A prisoner is a A prisoner is A prisoner. As my dad always said: dont do stupid shit. What about the chain gangs and hard labor camps, go be a dumbass in Russia and see what happens. Ivy is agreed with.

It might help a little to show the CO's a little respect, even if you don't really feel it. Remember they too are locked in prison every day- even though they get to go home at night. They too have shitty work conditions and the worry of getting attacked. No kid says that when he grows up he wants to become a prison guard.

nah I spent whole seasons locked behind wall in yardville, 23/1 and getting jerked for rec. Getting jerked for showers. Guards constantly talking shit. Fuck you and your punk ass friend who signed up for his job now he needs sympathy for dealing with low lifes? He is a low life

The truth doesnt hurt me, guards did. For that I hold a grudge. I jave seen them abuse countless people and get away with it. That is what this thread is supposed to be about but you have completely derailed it by blindly defending these scum.

lol @ people complaining about the gaurds in jail!!!

you are IN JAIL.

Yeah you're in jail. And you're serving your sentence.

Are the beatings from guards part of the sentence? There are lots of people in jail that aren't in for violent crimes. Is it ok to beat them, because they're prisoners? Some guy who passed bad checks, or sold some weed?

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

Like Bobby P says, there are a few COs I,d LOVE to run into at a McDonalds or a desolate parking lot one day......

Yep