Scarfo whacked Salvie for Leonetti's sake

This has never been touched upon, I keep hearing Scarfo was afraid Salvie would
take over etc but having heard Phillip say "my uncle said if I'm dead u gotta keep this thing going", everyone assumed Scarfo was afraid of Salvie's power. Personally I think he knew Salvie wouldn't make a move on Scarfo himself BUT...

without Scarfo around (dead), he knew Salvie was going to be a threat to Phillip taking over. Not saying Salvie would make a move on Phillip either, just that with his status and following, there would be a strong case for Salvie taking over the family instead of Phil. And why did Scarfo want Phil to continue? Money. Apart from the LCN aspect, running a family guaranteed a steady income for he entire "personal family" therefore IF Phillip does well so do Scarfo's immediate family

Same way the Snake ordered Wild Bill's murder. Nothing to do with the beef they squashed, more so to do with keeping the money flowing Persico side (albeit different circumstances somewhat)

If you said that why Leonetti flips instead do his time and take over the family once out ?
Maybe Leonetti make kill salvie for the money or maybe not.
Personally I think that Leonetti was sincere when flips about grow his son out of the life ecc
Leonetti was lcn until the bones and dont will be afraid of Skinny Joey.

Thought this was common news . There is no doubt that Phil in the beginning when he first starts feeling that Nick was going to possibly make a move on Salvie that he was generally sick but as time went on and everyone was in Phil ear that he did start seeing exactly the way Nick and others were seeing it all money and power.

Possibly, but I think Scarfo was a me first guy. This was probably a tertiary justification

Hmm from what I read on here, seems that Phil despite what he said in his book (didn't want Salvie dead) in reality wanted Salvie to go. BUT I've not heard anyone really mention that it was Scarfo's motive in wanting him dead- to protect his nephew (future) whereas most say he done it for Scarfo himself

On another note, all this whacking anyone that poses a treat.... I think Nicky crow touched on this when he said Scarfo liked to say "more Indians and less Chiefs" meaning he wanted more soldiers less capos... But in that sense, he might as well whack all the top guys because sooner or later they will rise and rise (had they not gone jail)

Tommy del was given the power then Faffy buried him and Faffy was the main guy according to the Crow. Because Scarfo liked to
stay in Atlantic city so most of day to day Faffy was in charge

I get what you are saying but after the murder a lot of here say came out and trust me they had every reason or excuse possible .

I have posted what I herd and I herd a lot of here say and it came mostly from girlfriends of these guys they told them almost everything it was common for everyone to know a lot of details without having any proof trust me the neighborhood knows all .

Not believing this theory at all.

It is well known that egotistical Scarfo didnt like any threats to his throne. And the timing of the hit coming after the article calling Salvie the up and coming don or whatever they called him really put a hair up Scarfo's ass.

That seals it to me, that Scarfo did it for his own selfish reasons.

And I always maintained this hit was a mistake. He was 100 percent loyal to Scarfo and was on the front lines for him during the war. He promised to look out for Salvie if anything happened to his father, and instead had him killed.

Such is life in the mob.

Refresh my memory Serp, I might have missed what u said (hearsay) around neighbourhood although I do recall u saying Salvie had a "beauty" he was openly dating and that contributed to his whacking.

Guys sorry I have a hell of a time putting words on paper.

Yes it was Chuckey with the daughter and the way Salvie would hang out like he was single and Nicks greed and ego etc. but I am talking about Phil the way he was totally against it and then kinda if not all in for it.

People in his ear then dollar signs.

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Thanks Serp, in that case he buried himself. Forget Scarfo or anyone with a motive for his killing, dating an under boss's daughter (on verge of marrying her) then openly dating other broads..... He was one step away from slapping Chuckie himself or beating up on the daughter (openly)

He shud have thought with his head and not his trousers before getting involved with both chuck's girl & the broad on side

Tony I would guess if the father was just a regular guy or just a associate but he was not he was the underboss and Chucky was not only disgraced but had guys coming to him everyday telling him something else and the guys that were telling him this just wanted to get on his good side.

The guys in that life and the life is full of treachery death and deceit !!!!

OK, my comments disappeared but anyway, I agree with what Blackjack said

Plus Chuck was a very spiteful guy.

I keep hearing "but Salvie's dad asked Scarfo to watch over him"

Yeh sure, Scarfo did. But that doesn't give Salvie a pass to piss on their legs which is what he did

He didn't piss on anyones leg actually. He was respectful about the entire thing according to Leonetti in his book.

He called Scarfo when he was in prison in Texas and Scarfo granted him permission to not go through with the wedding. Scarfo told him something like "You're young and these things happen...dont worry about it I will talk to Chuckie and smooth it over" Something like that...

Then he got out of prison and went right in Merlino's ear telling him the kid embarrassed him and made a mockery out of his daughter...meanwhile poor Salvie thinks he had a pass.

Scarfo was far too bloodthirsty to be a Boss.

He would mother fuck guys after they did favors for him...after a hit he would say to Leonetti " Oh he kills one guy and thinks hes Al Capone.

Another time a guy gives him 200k from a score and he turns to Leonetti and says "Guy makes a score and thinks hes rockefeller all of a sudden"

I mean christ!

Just reading old thread ...

Yeah Blackjack all true , but Nick was under thr impression that he would die in the street or in the joint .

And he was setting things up for Phil and Nicky jr. and Mark the entire time and yes again he was most things that you said "but" he was trying to build a dynasty left to Phil Nicky and Mark without a doubt !

There was never a time that he did not think that they all would follow in the life !

This was what everybody in the neighborhood and area thought.

And I am sure more would have followed Salvie if the rats did not kill the mob .

Yes totally Serp, everyone likes to focus on the one reason being Scarfo's ego

I'm sure that played a part but everything added up- with the ego, chuckie's daughter, dynasty for Phil/ Nicky jr etc

However blackjack, when u say "Salvie didn't piss on anyone's leg", I'll have to
remind u the minute he broke off the engagement and openly seeing other broads was a slap in the face

Can I come round, sleep with your daughter then say sorry I've respectfully had enough of boning her for the past few months.... good bye no hard feelings

Whilst 99% of fathers would be angry and forget about it, u don't do that to a guy like Chuckie. He was very spiteful and that's where Joey inherited it from (when he made Scarfo pay)

Because Phil didn't think he was going to jail

Once he got the 45 yrs he didn't want to do the time. The money in his eyes would have been pointless

Also u have to be very naive to believe he wanted out for his son. I don't mean that in a bad way because I like u as a poster. But Phil wasn't cut out for prison

He didn't do any heavy stretches before that conviction whereas scarfo has done few yrs here and there (that's not to say they won't flip either) look at Natale

Salvie had a Ventnor girl that every local guy that was from 20-35 wanted and he was openly taking her places where the Merlino family cousins and uncles great aunts great uncles all frequented!!!!

He did not seam to have a worry in the world , and this was before Nick gave him the okay to hang himself !!!!

Nick was like that !

He would let you hang yourselves with blessings!

It's the treachery of that life ...

You have to believe me when I tell you everything fell in Phil's lap !!!

Now he would kill you so he got his hands dirty but he was and is a pretty boy !

And he is around and very happy to see old friends.

Serp are u saying uve seen Leonetti around and hanging in Ducktown recently? Thats suprising to me even if Nicky is gone no?

Ventnor,Margate would b the zones 4 Phil, Mikey...Ducktown is more or less dead,am i correct in that assumption Serp??

Yes Mikey ,
The Friday after his death is the first . The people he was with is the more interesting thing .

Ducktown is gone other then the restaurants and Italian bakeries . st. Michael's the Church is closed and I just herd that Star of the Sea Church down in The Chelsea section was sold.

I don't think he is hanging in those towns (to many young bucks looking to get in the mob around there)but he is dropping in some old friends places of business.

Skinny was Salvie's gofer I think.

If he was a little older and/or nobody went to prison would Skinny have aligned himself with Salvie and went to war with Scarfo like he eventually did with Stanfa.

Possibilities.

Serp -

I respect you immensely as a poster - your cliffhanger of Phil hanging with unnamed individuals is very interesting. R u able to shed any more light on?

I can say one that he was with and last time he was in this place (and the person)he wrote or had his book written.

He was with his wife who he calls "Maria" in that book ,and also James Leonard , I am pretty sure and along with the timing that it possibly a second book or other form of media since his uncle has passed and Jr. Is done for thirty years .

I have posted him possibly doing something else" before " but the timing and the things he has said about after his uncle dies just has me thinking more to it !!!

serp, the philly stuff you post is great. i do not understand why chuckie did not realize maria was better off not marrying sal with all the poon coming at him in south philly,he was likely going to be fucking up and laying other chicks

Because they all did it ! But he was a underboss of a major crime family and at that time there were still crime families all over and the eyes were on him and Nick .

Don't get me wrong that killing the guy was the way to go , but knowing Nick he spoke to another figure head in a other family and or set up Salvie or Sal was doing what was put on the street what they said he was doing .

But they did make sure that they had a case on him so not to look bad. Nick was a stickler with that life so I am sure it was true or he made it true !!!

Co-signed 100%

These anecdotes from Leonetti show the personality of Scarfo perfectly.

^^^^^^^ Not just Nick ! If you ever befriend one or more of these guys most are the same personality and behavior pattern .

Now there are exceptions to the rule but for the most part they are that !

Mooks I would imagine, 4 the most part w/ the xception of a few..dem,dese dose etc..I know Tory Scafidi def is 'cause I had a run-in w/ him back in mid 80s..

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