Danny Greene - Shondor Birns Beef

Who was the $75K in dispute borrowed from in the Gambino Family?

From wiki

Greene had requested Birns for a loan of $75,000. Greene wanted the money to set up a "cheat spot," a speakeasy and gambling house. Therefore, Birns had arranged a loan for Greene through the Gambino family. Somehow later, the money wound up in the hands of Billy Cox, a numbers operator, who used it to purchase narcotics. The police raided his house, arrested him, seized the narcotics and what was left of the $75,000. The Gambino family, from whom Birns had borrowed the loan, wanted their money. Birns pressed Greene but Greene flatly refused to return the money; instead asserting that it wasn't his fault that it got lost.

Soon after Birns gave 25000 $ to an hitman for kill Greene but all attempt was unsuccessfull and Greene made a bomb that killed Birns.

I know the story behind the incident, my question is who in the Gambino Family was it that Birns arranged the loan through. I'm aware Billy Cox was the courier Birns hired to pick up the money from New York for Danny Greene.

The general story seems repeated a lot but there is rarely deeper insight given as to who in the Gambino Family Birns would have associated with through loansharking, being a major national loanshark himself, he surely knew plenty. Moreover, he was more than aligned with the Cleveland Family who at the time was controlled by the Genovese Family.
So I'm just curious who pressed Birns on the original $75,,000 from the Gambino's because it would seem to have been a pure business decision that in turn set off the Greene Wars and the chain of events that lead to some of at the time the highest level informants ever, and the start of a decline of both Cleveland and LA

Allday27 not in the porrello book are listed the soldier name. Maybe some on the forum from Cleveland can answer you.

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Thank you SC. I was about to step out of character. I can't stand that shit.

Thanks you SC.

That's the 2nd straight Cleveland thread that got hi-jacked by some low-budget scumbag.

thank you. I asked a decent question and it turned into a handjob convention.



...any idea in regards to the Gambino loanshark? Question 2: why do they have Tommy Sinito killed in Kill The Irishman when he survived the Greene Wars?

No idea about either, except for there were a few things that were changed for the movie, maybe it just sounded better? Happens a lot in movies that are based on true stories.

wikipedia sucks furio, never copy and paste that garbage bc it will destroy your credibility. what is your question regarding DG and SB?

most likely (but im not 100% certain) the loan came from Joseph "Demus" Covello, made guy in the NJ Gambino's. Demus worked closely with Pittsburgh, Youngstown and West Virginia through Joey Naples and Paul Hankish. Between Hankish, Naples, Frank Unis Jr and Patsy Feruccio, Demus was taking well over $20 million a month in action or laying off to Providence. Also, Peanuts was close to the Fat guy in Harlem from the Genovese's who actually represented Cleveland on the commission. And by the way, Greene was going to get killed by either Jack White or Angelo Lonardo, there was no way that those two were going to ever let Greene live, especially after the Ciasullo bombing

green was going to beef with anybody who had some power. greene thought since John Nardi was on his side that tony milano (nardi's uncle) was going to protect him. milano died in 1978 and was failing by late 1976. greene was a dead man to start with, there was no one incident that caused his death. check this out

http://clevelandmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=1578600D80804596A222593669321019&tier=4&id=DF84DD6073D84C4DB49BA3EDFA0AFEFF

Dino Allday27 post the question and I was curious of know who's the Gambino soldier that give the money that all. I know that wiki sucks but I see it just because i don rber the whole story.

you should try using another source for general information furio. there are many other sites to get information from

Furio please consider what some of us are trying to help you understand. There are very few of us left that will continue to make an effort to help you.

I know and appreciate it. However in the Pennsylvania 1990 crime reported at pag 126 and 130 Joseph Covello is cited for he strong ties with haskin so was the only thing that come closer to the answer.

furio,

i know you are from italy and sometimes it could be confusing for you but i know at least a half dozen of really good posters that have told you to disregard wikipedia over the last several years, and yet you still copy and paste wikipedia information. may i ask why you do that? americanmafia.com has better information than wikipedia and it hasn't been maintained in many years. youre a good kid, just stop using wikipedia

Ok Dino now I find that Joseph Covello was cited in the Pennsylvania 1990 crime report, for sure a better source than wikipedia. Now in the over 200 pagines isn't write that covello was the Gambino guys that give the cash to Bwins that ecc.
But all the men are dead, covello died in 1994. That all.

You'll never find the answer Furio, that info won't be written anywhere

I'm happy to get close to it.

Furio you are "testa dura"! You're on your own. Unfortunately you bring on whatever they say about you :-(

Teng a Cap rott (my head is broken) now understand the lesson thanks for the patience.