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Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased

Posted By: Regoparker100

Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/24/16 07:55 PM

Are there any LCN higher-ups (bosses, underbosses and consiglieres) who got a pass but were demoted to soldier, stripped of their button or got shelved permanently?
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/24/16 08:25 PM

Joe Bonanno, Gaspar Digregorio., Frank Costello (retired), Joseph Magliocco, Vic Orena, Al D'Arco (demoted before flipped), Joseph Biondo, James Failla, Nicholas Marangello, Sal Vitale, Antonio Pollina (Philly), Ronald Turchi.

Probably not a complete list.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/24/16 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Regoparker100
Are there any LCN higher-ups (bosses, underbosses and consiglieres) who got a pass but were demoted to soldier, stripped of their button or got shelved permanently?


Apparently there is no such thing as stripping a made man from his button. According to Michael DiLeonardo even cooperating witnesses like himself and Gravano, remain a made man until they die. The Family can't make any new soldier until the stool pigeon dies..

In the Philly mob, underboss Chuckie Merlino got demoted to soldier by Scarfo for his alcoholism and Phil Testa's underboss Peter Casella got shelved and casted out to Florida by Chin Gigante for blowing up Testa..

You also have former Bonanno consigliere Anthony Graziano who got shelved for his daughter's participation on the TV show Mob Wives..

Very famous examples are the retirements of Joe Bonanno and Frank Castello, but I don't think they were officially shelved or demoted. They were however told explicitly to retire from the rackets or face certain death..
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 12:26 PM

The first scampia feud started because the di lauro sons demoted all the old capizona and replaced them with young boys.
Posted By: MobMan

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 04:34 PM

Didn't Sonny Franzese get demoted ?
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 04:59 PM

Did gotti shelve ruggerio?
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Did gotti shelve ruggerio?

Yes but Ruggerio was never admin. Only captain and think only acting at that.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 08:29 PM

Ray patrarca Jr. Probably the last boss other then nick scarfo alive picked by the commission in NYC. Guy just kinda retired he stills goes to all the wakes n weddings but is in real estate. He poped up on some guys do not associate list. Did his time and fell back.
Posted By: Regoparker100

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 08:59 PM

What about Bill Bonanno?
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 09:37 PM

Originally Posted By: MobMan
Didn't Sonny Franzese get demoted ?


He got demoted a few times, but then was always promoted again. That's what happens when you outlive every single living person on the planet.
Posted By: gangstereport

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 10:00 PM

tony zerelli Detroit mob underboss was shelved in 2002 after being convicted on rico charges which he was originally indicted for in the gametax bust. His top associate on the street jerome the blade who was alledgly running his loansharking operation was shot gunned to death weeks after his conviction
Posted By: Beenaround

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 10:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Regoparker100
What about Bill Bonanno?

He was a real joke..
Posted By: Beenaround

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/25/16 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
Originally Posted By: MobMan
Didn't Sonny Franzese get demoted ?


He got demoted a few times, but then was always promoted again. That's what happens when you outlive every single living person on the planet.

LOL...ain't that the truth..He just keeps on going
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/26/16 01:42 PM

If the colombos would had more men like Sonny Franzese the family won't be so disfunzional.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/26/16 06:00 PM

tony accardo got demoted but it worked out for him in the end

sam giancana got demoted and he ended up dead
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/26/16 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
tony accardo got demoted but it worked out for him in the end


When did Batters get demoted?
Posted By: Regoparker100

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/26/16 07:38 PM

What about Fat Tony Salerno? Didn't the Chin demote him to soldier in 1981 after Funzi died? And what was his rank after the front boss scam was exposed in 1987?
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/26/16 07:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Regoparker100
What about Fat Tony Salerno? Didn't the Chin demote him to soldier in 1981 after Funzi died? And what was his rank after the front boss scam was exposed in 1987?


Good question. I read this in Five Families and meant to bring it up, but I put it on the backburner. You could say that I shelved it.
Posted By: Regoparker100

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/26/16 07:46 PM

What about Louis Manna? Why was he demoted from consigliere in 1991?
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/26/16 07:55 PM

He got caught talking on a wiretap about whacking a rival mobster from another family roughly during that time period. In fact he might even have been in jail already by 1991.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Regoparker100
What about Fat Tony Salerno? Didn't the Chin demote him to soldier in 1981 after Funzi died? And what was his rank after the front boss scam was exposed in 1987?


He was temporarilly demoted to soldier after his stroke. He was effectively acting boss once he recovered from his stroke and up to the time of his indictment in the Commission case. From that point, technically speaking, he wasn't in a position to be acting boss and I imagine he was a soldier following his conviction and everybody knew he'd never get out.
Posted By: Regoparker100

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 01:40 AM

I guess there was a dispute between Gotti and Manna over the control of Atlantic City and other rackets controlled by the Philly mob in the surrounding area, and that's how he got caught talking on a wiretap about whacking him and his brother Gene.
Posted By: SinatraClub

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 01:53 AM

Don't think there was such dispute, might've been an excuse used later on though. Chin wanted him dead for the Castellano murder and put that plan back into motion after Gotti was released from prison after winning the Giacalone case, and Manna was heard on wiretap talking about it. Manna was demoted, Chin then saved face after Gotti was alerted by the FBI, and during a Commission meeting in relation to a beef with Anthony Casso & Anthony Ruggiero, Chin lied and said Manna was acting on his own.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 07:37 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
tony accardo got demoted but it worked out for him in the end

sam giancana got demoted and he ended up dead


Tony tried to retire, and it was Paul and Gus who persuaded him not to.

Sam was told to stop being too greedy.
Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 11:23 AM

Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
He got demoted a few times, but then was always promoted again. That's what happens when you outlive every single living person on the planet.


Until Little Nicky gets released in 2033. 103 is possible!
I am surprised that Sonny Franzese is still kicking. Larger humans usually don't live as long as smaller ones. More work for the heart.

Antonio Pollina was 100 when he died.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 01:36 PM

I don't see Sonny Franzese in a hospice to play congo maybe he thinked that is better to stay active. For scarfo maybe will be out at 90 y like Furnari.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 02:30 PM

Kinda surprised Massino is still kicking considering his health problems and how little effort he was putting into improving his lifestyle.
Posted By: americafyeah

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 03:54 PM

how about Johnny Torrio?
Posted By: baldo

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 04:16 PM

Never heard of Jimmy Brown getting shelved. what's the story there?
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: baldo
Never heard of Jimmy Brown getting shelved. what's the story there?


CliffsNotes version: Castellano loyalist.
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/27/16 04:43 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
Ray patrarca Jr. Probably the last boss other then nick scarfo alive picked by the commission in NYC. Guy just kinda retired he stills goes to all the wakes n weddings but is in real estate. He poped up on some guys do not associate list. Did his time and fell back.

That's a good point about him being the last Commission-appointed boss, but I've always heard that Patriarca Jr was forced out as opposed to just falling back.
Posted By: dsd

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/29/16 01:42 PM

Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
Don't think there was such dispute, might've been an excuse used later on though. Chin wanted him dead for the Castellano murder and put that plan back into motion after Gotti was released from prison after winning the Giacalone case, and Manna was heard on wiretap talking about it. Manna was demoted, Chin then saved face after Gotti was alerted by the FBI, and during a Commission meeting in relation to a beef with Anthony Casso & Anthony Ruggiero, Chin lied and said Manna was acting on his own.




What was the beef between Casso and Ruggiero about?
Ruggiero getting Casso shot? or Heroin deal gone bad?
Posted By: Regoparker100

Re: Mob higher-ups who got shelved/demoted/chased - 02/29/16 02:56 PM

What's the case with Vinny Gorgeous? Why was he demoted?
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