Scarfo content at #3 spot?

In "mafia prince", Phil Leonetti speaks about how after Bruno was murdered, Genoveses toyed with the idea of making Scarfo the boss of the borgata. Phil says that Nicky turned it down, stating that Chicken Man deserved it more. Now based on public understanding of Nicky Scarfo, the guy wasn't happy til he was boss. Do you guys think he could really have been content to be Testas consigliere, or was he saying "no" to the top job after Bruno's murder just a way to deflect and/or "bide his time" until such a date when he could whack out Testa and take over?

That's what people say about Nick but his actions were all patients and went by the rules.

You have to remember Phil is trying to make his uncle look like a monster and for him to look like the kid that was forced into the life .

We will never know the real truth unless Nicky jr flips and writes a tell all.

I agree with Serp. For all of Scarfo's faults, it seems he cared about the rules and traditions. Plus, Testa was his friend, wasn't he?

In Mafia Prince Leonetti also says that Scarfo was expecting to be named underboss by Testa and even though he didn't say anything about it, Leonetti says he could tell that he was pretty disappointed that Testa named Casella, a known drug dealer as his UB..

If I recall wasn't Casella given a pass for killing Testa? Why was that?

I wouldnt give Scarfo too much credit. I mean he broke just as many "rules" as he obeyed in the mob. Sure Phil Testa was his friend BUT Nicky obviously forgot about that when he murdered his son for no good reason

Casella was real tight with a Genovese Capo with whom he served Fed time with in the years prior. This same Capo stood up and pleaded for Peter Casella before Scarfo went in to meet with the Chin the same night. The Genovese Capo got Casella the pass, but Chin made him go straight to FL and put on the shelf/told him to retire.

In Mafia Prince Leonetti says that there was a powerful Genovese captain, who isn't named in the book, who Casella met when he was doing time on the drug trafficking charges, who spoke on his behalf and this eventually saved his life..

One of the best parts of the book is when Scarfo and Casella are meeting with Chin, Fat Tony and Bobby Manna at the Triangle social club to discuss the death of Phil Testa. I'll type a little excerpt of it:

..According to Scarfo, who later told Leonetti what happened inside the meeting, Gigante wasted no time with pleasantries and started the meeting by speaking directly to Casella in his rapid-fire New York cadence.
''Listen, we know what happened. Don't lie to us. If you lie to us, we can't help you. Tell us the names of everyone who was involved in this plot.'' Scarfo told Leonetti that Casella answered the question directly.
''It was me. It was my idea. Me, Chickie Narducci, and Rocco Marinucci, and a kid Rocco knows.''
Scarfo said Fat Tony took the cigar out of his mouth and barked, ''This motherless fuck, the kid, does he have a name?'' and Casella responded,''I don't know his name,'' and then hung his head in shame.
Gigante smacked the table, and Casella looked up at him, and then the don spoke, ''You're finished. You are to retire immediately to Florida. You are forbidden from ever returning to Philadelpia. When you leave here, you get on a plane and you go. If you breathe a word of this to anyone, we will kill you, your brother, and your brother-in-law. Do you understand?''
Casella nodded his head and Gigante gestured for one of the Genovese soldiers to escort him out of the club. As Casella attempted to shake Gigante's hand, Gigante stared at him with disgust and spit on the floor in his direction, and Casella was whisked away.
With Casella gone, it was just Little Nicky and the three Genovese leaders. Again Gigante got right to the point.
''Well, Nick, I don't see no one else here, so I guess that makes you the new boss,'' at which point Gigante stood and Scarfo approached the table and kissed Gigante on each cheeck, as Manna and Salerno clapped their hands...

^^Great story Billy! Thank you for answering my question in detail Billy. and thank you too Phl_ Mob. I really appreciate it.

True, but at that point, he was the boss. He could kill his guys, however fucked it might be.

Can anyone tell me whu Casella killed Testa? I mean they were friends and Testa made him underboss? Anyone know the story?

The guys that that think Nick sr killed Salvie for no reason think for one minute that if the Chin's under boss had this done to him and his daughter in front of all New York do you think the result would have been different.. Not !!!

Let alone how much Nick pressed these guys about no dope !!! And Salvie kept doing it !!! That alone has gotten many guys killed .

Salvie should have known every move he made the others would run back and tell Phil or Nick cos they wanted his spot and Sal knew this and still was living on the edge to the point he had a whole other set of people he hung with .

It was so obvious to them knowing Salvie all his life too all of a sudden start hanging with people that he never did or would of before.

This is why everyone says how did Salvie not know he did know and he was rubbing in there face . Theses guys knew all Salvies friends and all of a sudden a year down the road he has a whole new set of friends .
Not street friends ,money friends the kind of people that finance big deals ...

Fear can be a good tactic to keep dissention in the ranks at bay. But when it's the only tool in the shed, 70 years and 1 day is the sentence that a judge will hand down.

Cc: Vic Amuso, Tony Casso, Vinny Basciano, et al.

Salvie a actually sold and did drugs? I thought scarfo made that up as an excuse.

Not sure if it was ever confirmed that he "did" drugs but it was the 80s and not to make a generalization, but most people with money in their 20s/early 30s were doing coke. Salvie also was a major financier for drug gangs in West Philly at the time. One of the Scarfo-backed excuses was that he was going to "organize his own gang."

The drug thing was not made up . It was , I am sure brought to Nick's attention many more times and very often cos of course they all wanted what Salvie had and where he was going.

when all those guys tommy del faffy lawrence and chuckie all beefed on testa to scarfo they were saying he was dealing drugs they could have been lying all had personal to lie

he was involved in backing drug dealers by financing there operations and by all accounts he was making alot of money not sure if he was dealing drugs would not surprise me

Sal was just a kid, Serp. Kids do stupid shit.

no offense serp but your post isnt accurate. Salvie was the most loyal of everyone including phil leonetti and chuckie merlino. He NEVER sold drugs scarfo/chuckie made that up. Salvie was taught by his father so he knew la cosa nostra as well as anyone. By the way salvie asked scarfos permission to end the engagement and scarfo said no problem. So the reality was that scarfo was a paranoid psychopath Who killed salvie out of jealosy AND paranoia

No offense to you buddy, but you are way off on this. Some things you just can't read about.

And to Crash - Phil testa was killed because of Chickie Narducci. He wanted to be boss.

I knew this before reading any books. Narducci banged out my old neighbors father years ago. I heard all about it. And, for the record, I don't live near Serp and never met him. But, I heard a lot of the same shit from my old neighbors that he talks about.

what am i way off about?

Not that I don't believe you....but isnt it possible they were whispering lies in Scarfo's ear to get him out of the way?

I doubt Salvie was directly involved with selling drugs. But he definitely financed dealers, was involved in the shakedown/street tax of dealers and probably got in on the p2p deals occasionally like everyone at that time was doing. I'm sure they were whispering lies about him,

Tommy Del and Faffy supposedly whispered lies all the time to Chuckie. I think Chuckie/Faffy/Tommy Del had more incentive to kill Salvie than Scarfo. Chuckie was running Philly for Scarfo while him and Phil were in AC with Yogi. Coupled with Chuckie becoming a drunk, the thing with his daughter and Salvies rise ON THE STREET in South Philly and DelGourno and Faffy in his ear, that's how it probably all got started.

People put too much emphasis on it was just Scarfo being a psychopath and yeah he had final say but there was a lot more poison in that group than just him.

What happened to Riccobene crew after the war? Were they all dead or were some leftovers of the guys folded into Scarfo crew?

Pedulla and DeLuca both Riccobene guys both flipped. Two I can recall who werent dead or in prison.

Its said that a poor man won't become rich because will be greedy.
I think that Scarfo really respect Phil Testa and if testa wasn't killed, Scarfo will stay ed at his place without do anything. But after taste the favore of power and money he lost his mind and become greedy and paranoic.

There were a bunch of guys leftover from Riccobene's crew/faction after they surrendered. Pedulla and DeLuca seemed to be the two main hit men for the Riccobene's, but after they surrendered to Scarfo, all of the remaining rackets and associates of Riccobene that didn't die or go to jail were just folded into the Scarfo crews (Salvie and Santo Idone were two crews I remember Leonetti mentioning in his book).

There were left overs who simply continued going on about their business under the Scarfo regime. Frank Martines, Riccobene crew member later went on to become underboss during the Stanfa era.


And Salvie Testa was dealing drugs. Thats no lie, I don't believe it's ever been said that he was using them himself, but he was big in the drug game at that point and was funding dealers and reaping the benefits. What Tommy Del & Faffy and those guys were possibly lying about was Testa creating his own family. By all accounts he was too loyal to Scarfo and the Philly mob to do that. And of course guys wanted what he had, and I don't think the thing with Chuckie Merlino & his daughter is the reason Scarfo had Salvie killed. Because while he was in La Tuna, Salvie was explaining that whole situation to him through Bobby Simone & Leonetti, and Scarfo would say not to worry about it and he'll settle things when he gets home. Not to mention Merlino told Scarfo & Leonetti, that he didn't mind if Salvie lived, as long as he gave up everything and stepped down to the rank of soldier. And all the guys who were feeding negative info about Salvie to Scarfo, were under Chuckie Merlino. That shows you his murder was basically about jealousy and money. Leonetti funded the Meth dealers, Caramandi & Charlie White bought the P2P stuff needed to make Meth to the cooks and dealers and in return got the drug profits, they were essentially doing the same thing Salvie was doing before he was killed. And I think Scarfo finally decided to sign off on it because after hearing all those rumors and the article about Salvie being the fastest rising mobster in Philly, he became cautious, and had him killed before Salvie could possibly uproot and challenge Scarfo.


Not to mention Scarfo was reportedly happy when he heard Salvie calling off the wedding to Merlinos daughter, because he feared with marriage, the Merlinos and Testas would become a family within a family, and would be a major threat to his position.

Sinatra ^^^^^ good post ... Salvie was not a known user , don't know who ever herd that.

But right on the money with the backstabbing coming from Chucky's crew .
And yes the little guy loved the double edge sword to make things appear right.

But Serp,..no offense either..but Phil has said in an 60 min.interview that salvie was not dealing drugs..then right after, said (like he was talking 2 his uncle)"..what u wanna kill everybody?"....but u of all(most) posters would know any better or b more topic sensitive 2 this particular subject,& u never know what would b runnin thru those old scarfo guys minds,so i now don't know what 2 believe...

Phil Leonetti is a pathological liar and tries to place all the blame for all the murders on his uncle. He claims Salvie was his best friend and he didnt want him clipped and how he tried to stop it and how he was sad when he died. Bullshit.

According to both Caramandi and Tommy Del, Leonetti would say things like, "I wish we'd hurry up and kill this guy" or something along those lines and "I'm sick of seeing his fucking face".

to be fair caramandi and tommy del arent exactly honest people. Tommy del lied about his nationality to get made and caramandi made a living out of lying. Im not defending leonetti but phil was a lot closer to salvie than those 2 were

No, but there are two informants who were never fond of each other who flipped at different times who both say the same thing about Phil. And this has been discussed on this forum before, Phil Leonetti has proven to be a liar on more than one occasion. And consider how close he was to Scarfo, if he was really so fond of Salvie, and didnt want to see him die, you dont think he couldve stepped in and made a case with his uncle that Chuckie's guys were lying? Yet he did nothing....Some people simply tend to give Phil Leonetti too much credit. As if he was simply a product of his uncle and simply carried out actions when his uncle said so. Phil was a power in his own right due to his killstreak and temper, little of which had much to do with his uncle. Had he wanted to, he couldve had Salvies murder not happen or stalled at least until truths were found out. Yet he simply went along with the plan. And he had his own motives for that, none of which were to help Salvie Testa.

And DelGiorno didn't exactly lie about his nationality to get inducted. He was Italian, and what people tend to not mention is that he grew up around those guys all his life..He wasn't just some stranger who popped up in South Philly all of a sudden and went on to be made. He'd known majority of guys since he was a kid and they knew him. He began working for Frankie Flowers at a very young age, in mob terms. He grew up in the life, some obviously knew he was half Polish. And they let his induction slide anyway.

you misinterpreted my post. I have NEVER given leonetti any credit and im not defending the guy. I never said he was innocent in salvies death. In fact phil admitted he just let it happen so he is just as guilty. My point is you cant trust any of these guys and what they say

I don't easily believe informants. Faced with 45 years, I'd probably provide a sanitized representation of my crimes too. Even with a 5k1 letter from the AUSA. But I believe Leonetti. It is remarkable the power that someone can have over you when they are (essentially) your Father and a domineering personality like Scarfo. I mean look at Calabrese, Gotti, etc. I think that he was too scared to stand up for himself with Salvie.

I really think that where Leonetti went wrong was not whacking out Nicky Scarfo. He could have had it all to himself without having to kill Salvie, Merlino brothers, that North Jersey Capo.

I wasn't saying you personally, I meant in general, individuals on this forum give Leonetti too much credit as if he was somehow forced into mob life, forced to advance and forced to become a killer and live off that reputation. My bad for not clarifying that earlier.

You believe all that and what he says if you want to.

Presented the issue:
Leonetti's credibility.

Described a trend:
Domineering father figures in LCN (or life) having control over their protege's upbringing and actions (or inactions).

Presented evidence to support the trend:
Leonetti's own testimony, other examples in other LCN families.

Made a Conclusion:
I believe that Nicky Scarfo had strong influence over Phil. This may have affected his adherence to Salvie's murder and apprehension to do something about Scarfo.

But thank you for giving me permission to believe what I choose to.

Re Frank Martines underboss: his defense lawyer had this to say.



Though it's a defense lawyer so it must be taken with a grain of salt.

Philip Leonetti Loved the life and could have gotten out anytime before he was made...

He used the mob and loved acting out with the power of LCN behind him.

Chris his cousin got out and don't believe for one minute that Chris was not involved like most here have put him on a pedestal of walking away.

He walked away after he was asked to go to far and his father was calling some deadly shots and it opened his eyes .

Chris was right there with Phil with the power of the mob behind them.

Salvie's murder was justified by there power and beliefs and Phil may of had apprehension just before the murder was planed but after it was justified by him and the rest.

They all made a adult decision and had to live or die with it but Phil.

Agreed. The last thing I want to do is look like Phil's apologist. That being said, I believe him when he talks about his Pontious Pilate hesitation (regretfully) in not stopping Salvie's murder.

Look Phil was as lucky as they come from St. Michael's to the Feds.

Everything he did and everything he wanted he got !!

He never did without and he just always lands on his feet always has.

Now don't get me wrong he had balls for a small dude that was not a fighter ,

Who exactly is defending leonetti? I havent seen one person give him credit/defense/props. He was a killer no doubt about it. He only got out when he was in jail we all realize that. But as bad as leonetti was his uncle was a absolute psychopath. Leonetti may be a liar BUT he has kept out of trouble which is rare for lifelong criminals. So im not defending leonetti in any way, im just stating facts

Was it Leonetti who stole a small fortune from Scarfo after they were both convicted?

This, along with the money the Feds let him keep from his illicit crimes, probably set him up for life.

He wouldn't need to get into crime again.

And aren't their myriad stories about Leonetti getting into it with everyone from high school kids to biker gangs?

Was that Scarfo's fault too? That the guy had a hair trigger temper?

There is something chilling about a guy who can kill without blinking, like Leonetti, who can just stop on a dime like that - when he cooperated.

If anyone wants to see the real Leonetti, see his facial ticks when he got upset with the interviewer's testing questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-z4V08xg8

Blame Scarfo all you guys want but Leonetti loved the trappings that came with being a mobster, and 10 years after ratting still seemed to be making excuses for that lifestyle.

once again NOBODY is defending leonetti. Im starting to get the feeling people are defending scarfo which is insane

JCrusher

It wasn't meant as a rebuke at people defending Leonetti.

It was meant as a rebuke towards people passing the buck to Scarfo for Leonetti's lifestyle.

Leonetti is responsible for his own actions.

who blamed scarfo for leonettis actions? Everyone agrees phil made his own bed. However it probably didnt help that his uncle was a fuckin nutjob

That's not really an excuse when you look at Paul Castellanos kids. Hell even Junior Gotti at one point went to visit his dying father and told him in a video recorded conversation that he was getting out. And I fucking hate Junior Gotti for being another pathological liar, but it is what it is. He had enough and faced his father and got out of the life.


Michael Franzese, faced his father, got out of the life, and took the consequences, which was his father having no association with him for a very long time. And at the behest of his father they rekindled their relationship later on down the line.

You have Nicky Jr. Whom followed his father into the life, but did things how he wanted to do them. By most accounts he never acted like the tough guy, he never threw his weight around, and he took a different path to earn. Did he follow his fathers orders? Yes, but he knew his place and he knew he was no killer.

You have stories of Leonetti showing up to high schools with a gun in his wasteband. Moe linked the 60 minutes interview and his attitude comes through on numerous occasions whenever hes asked something he doesnt want to be asked. The guy killed Falcone and then had a long relationship with Falcones former girlfriend and felt nothing over it. Falcone is another guy Leonetti calls a "friend" and who he once killed with. None of these guys should be excused, especially Phil Leonetti. He did nothing to stop Salvie Testas murder. NOTHING. You have two informants who've stated that he egged it on after a while when they couldn't get to him. He used the feds to steal close to a million dollars from his uncle, to fund his new life. THATS why he's stayed out of trouble, like I said before, most mob informants don't have the priviledge of having uncles who were mob bosses whom they were able to steal from while the latter sat in prison for the rest of his foreseeable life. And he simply put his uncles money into what he knew, construction and concrete and lives off that to this very day.

Phil Leonetti loved the mob life and everything that came with it, he loved the power, he loved the fear he put into people, he loved the feeling of invincibility. And he only gave it up because he couldn't deal with the fate of his life choice like the real gangsters and tough guys do. He turned rat. You can't blame his uncle for this, especially when it's probable he would've turned out like this either way, considering his father was also a low-ranking mobster. Even with his domineering uncle, the path Phil took was his and his alone and it was all his choice. That isn't defending Nicky Scarfo, that's the fact of the matter. Leonetti became just as much, if not more of a nutjob as Nicky Scarfo was. And he loved every second of it.

For the 100th time i never excused leonetti of anything. I have simply stated facts. I Havent given him credit or said he was a good guy. Maybe i need to write in a different language because some arent getting it lol

I WAS guilty of defending Phil, u guy's saw my earlier posts, but i have drove my bus elsewhere,upon multiple hearings & studies into viewing this monster rear it's ugly head..I do respect him (still) 4 going straight & STAYING THAT WAY..& 4 putting his kid on the right track..but..he is what he is,& Serp, I don't doubt ur 1rst hand knowledge 1 iota..we will never know until somebody gives a real tell all after someone @ the top is dead..

Salvie was NO Drug Dealer. He had more money than most of the guys out there and was smarter and had legal businesses as well. He might have backed some guys by loaning them money. And we all know that Scarfo was the one who started the Street Tax on Drug dealers. Basically thats all the same shit. I don't think Scarfo was ever truly against drugs. He just didn't want his guys directly involved in it just like every other boss has said the same thing because they don't want to do that Drug time. And Salvie basically ran the family while Scarfo was in the can. Most guys you talk to, who didn't have a direct beef with Salvie (like the Grandes), will tell you that he was the real deal. His dad taught him well and he used that and his experiences. Thats why it took them so long to whack him. Between guys not wanting to do it and him being to smart. I don't care what people say, Scarfo was jealous and used various excuses as to why he ordered the hit. He had to give a reason so guys didn't start turning against him. Look at Leonetti. If you believe him, he said that himself and others saw Scarfo going downhill and them not knowing who would be killed next. Even if Salvie and Nick's relationship started falling apart (mostly because of Scarfo, Merlino, Grande and other jealous guys talking shit), he would have never have gone after Scarfo job or life. He knew you don't kill a Boss. Look at his father. I am to young to know him but my parents were his age and were from his nieghborhood. He was well liked by all. There is actually this unknown short paperback book called "Good Days of Us" that my mom gave to me that her Girlfriend gave to her. It was written by a lady named Rosina Rucci who was supposedly Testa's go to Girl. When he would break up or cheat or needed a friend...he would go to her. They grew up together. My mom said she never heard of her so doesn't know but she did know his main girlfriend growing up. But she said its an OK read...very quick...one day, two at most. I haven't read it yet as it doesn't sound real interesting and who knows how true but it does have some little stories you wouldn't know about Salvie my mom said. "GOOD DAYS OF US" - Rosina Rucci (if you want to check it out) It is only like 125 pages and has a few pictures of him. Maybe I will try to breeze through it real quick and give you all a little review.

Didn't he whack off his Nephew or something? Or was it Testa's son, I don't remember but they made a huge deal about it in the documentary, how he could kill someone who was like a son to him. And friendship doesn't mean to much in that life.

Scarfo killed Phil Testa's son, Salvatore Testa. As for the reason, it's been a long term subject on this forum, but the general opinion is Scarfo's jealousy of Salvie's rise.

"6000 days of us"

I already discussed that book in the books forum...

Sorry buddy I don't go in there often and bArely on forum at all anymore. Im not a mind readder and I brought it up cause I was speaking on salvie and didn't read it yet n it came to mind. No ones trying to steal your thunder lol. You know how many topic have been discussed at nauseum on here. Im hoping that you are just suggesting i check out your review of the book...cause I also didn't get the 6000 days of us comment either.

Really going to have to disagree with you on Nicky Jr.

Never acted like a tough guy or threw his weight around? You must be kidding.

I think it was Serp or another Philly guy I saw several stories from about the guy throwing his weight around because Daddy was the boss.

He was arrested for assault a few times also. Once on a bar owner of a bar he got kicked out of or something like that...then there was that incident he assaulted a female at the hospital after his brother hung himself

I've never seen any articles which referred to him as such. I don't know personal stories from others, as I wouldn't know either way. I was referring to articles written about the Scarfo family, said articles accuse Mark of being the one who threw around his families mob ties for his benefit. And it's been said on this forum that supposedly he was on edge after visiting his brother, Mark and that she pulled a knife on him, I don't know the full story on the matter. One of those assault incidents was after he and Tommy Scafidi beat Marty Angelina with baseball bats for refusing to associate with the Merlino's, Angelina is another mobster, I wouldn't really refer to him as an innocent. There was another situation of a brawl in an Atlantic City casino, but without knowing the details of that incident, which I don't know if they were ever shared or not, there's no way to tell if he was acting like a "tough guy" in that situation either.

But in his adult life, there aren't many stories of the such, Fresolone cites stories of Scarfo Jr mostly following the orders of his father from prison, before finally realizing that the Philly Mob needed an actual boss on the street in order for them to maintain their place in the world of Organized Crime. Leonetti also cites that Scarfo Jr mostly wanted to be left alone, still in contact with his father, but focusing on doing his business when left to his own devices.

When he got older he seemed to have calmed down...

but in his younger years when his dad was running the philly mob before he got transferred he was alleged to be a real prick throwing around the my dad i the boss card

The father was a Boss !! The kid acted out a little compared to what he could have done.

The same with Chris and Phil , they would hope shit would never get big enough so the old man did not hear so they did not have to act out.

When stuff did reach the old mans ear the shit hit the fan , and yes there were a couple times that stupid shit went to far .
That was mostly due to who was around that herd about what happened and then the guys could not back down , had to look tough !!!

None of the boys were excessive with messing with people.

Now don't get me wrong if you pushed back they would shoot you !!! But that was after the boss found out and felt that his guys (family) were disrespected .

Would you mind explaining the above quote? Expanding on it, maybe? I'd like to know more.

Wasn't it you that said Jr was always whispering in Sr's ear about anyone he didnt like? Trying to get them in trouble?

I did say that and much more of normal things a 17 or 18 year old would do .

I am talking about acting out like a ass or a fool on a consistent basis , look and see what Skinny did in the tristate area .

Now that's excessive I was talking about .

And the kid was forced into trying running a crime family with 90% of the crime family behind bars .

Thanks for the clarification.

I will say about Scarfo Jr...he seemed to really have some good earning power and probably out earned most of the guys in Philly

And most know very little about his rackets , he earned well and lots of guys wanted to be around him, if not for his name , his name is like have a name like Al Capone.

Now I am not saying he was anything like Capone I am talking about a household name

People that don't know anything about OC know that name . He was still able to earn and get into things most times using a alias or associates lot of the time.

This is true with not alot being know about his racket...

Apart from the last one...the texas financial firm bust out...that one did seem like they squeezed too much too soon and flaunted the money too much...and that Sal Pellulo seemed too loud and not the best choice of partner

^^^^ Greed. ^^^^

I have no Thunder,just check out the book or take our posters's word's..it ain't no big deal, but i do believe that salvie was ready 2 86 maria merlino cause of this hidden princess...he loved her forthright,they basically changed each other 's diapers when it come's 2 friendship

And mayby Serp w/ asertain,..he remembers w/ i said that Salvie was at I have no Thunder,just check out the book or take our posters's word's..it ain't no big deal, but i do believe that salvie was ready 2 86 maria merlino cause of this hidden princess...he loved her forthright,they basically changed each other 's diapers when it come's 2 friendship...Maybe Serp.. w/my old posts did confirm..when I said Salvie was @ 10th & Bigler when the bomb went off on dad, he was w/ an old girlfriend..word on my street was that he was seeing a lifelong girl ,,..now,,who do u suppose that is other than Rosina??..I believe YES..& according 2 other sources..go figure young men.

And mayby Serp w/ asertain,..he remembers w/ i said that Salvie was at

Have you read the book hoodlum? Any mob info or just stuff about her and Salvie's relationship?

Read my earlier posts ,of course i have read the book,that how this thread came about.Not to b harsh ,I understand ur new 2 the forum.

I read Somewheres that Jerry Blavat had to talk to the old man about the young guys' shennanigans @ Memories..

^^^^^ They were young Italians down the beach on vacation and they were made guys and cousins or associates .

Im guessing it's a little different then New York cos of Nick making tons of young guys and when you are that age you have a large crew hanging around and your blood family has been in or around the life for Years.

It was a time and a place that was very unusual for the mafia , Those years !!!

Did U used 2 go 2 Memories w/the old crew/young guy's on occasion, Serp??..or at least c them there?..did u know Jerry Blavat?

Yes I did go many times but never with Philly guys .(trust me problems) I was on the older side of the guys and did not enjoy clubs. But the AC guys we hit many local spots five nights a week for many years .

Memories would be two or three times a summer that's it for me and as far as Blavat he and I did not know each other but we know each other when we would see each other or be introduced but not friendly or a friend.

I understand my friend, Im sure u did not want 2 get in the middle of anything,let alone personal neighborhood shit..I respect ur close timber of the wood shall we say..I in a weird way,i wish that I could have been there also..to have seen Ducktown rise..& then be in the shadows in 70s & 80s..I was 2 young 2 enjoy ..i can only listen 2 relatives..now in my age ..i dont have much famiglia.

Im high will I make it o. Spirit airlines no WiFi. But got season 3 deadwood.

What r u wasted?