Lucchese crime family in 2016

I sometimes wonder about the current status of the Lucchese crime family. A lot of interesting players seem to be on the streets. Is it possible they are stronger now than they were 15 years ago?

What's the story with the guys leftover from the Amuso/Casso era who never ratted, remain alive and are free?

Do Lastorino, Baratta, Zappola and Avellino have any roles to play in the current family structure?

Baratta had a sit down with Crea over a table at Rao's and won.

Surely that means he has some influence.

I imagine what went down with Lastorino's son didn't do him any favors.

Well according to the FBI, the NY mob in general is stronger than it has been in years. I personally take that to mean over anytime since the turn of the century. I don't think any of them are as strong as they were in the 1990s or before. The one exception would probably be the Bonannos. I don't think they're as strong as they were in the early 2000s. That's when they were riding high before the wave of indictments and defections.

maybe not stronger in means of influence and manpower, but surely in consolidated leadership, stable administrations or whatever you wanna call it. More organized in "organized crime". If you look into all the documentarys, they essentially stopped in the mid 90s and concluded the mob was back to street level gang and therefore gone. Disorganized. That, in my opinion, has been obv proven to be wrong.
Feds have only now, after years, figured out the boss for the WS, took them some time.

Mob got more organized = what i think the feds mean with stronger. OFC ivy is absolutely right. No way theyre in the shape of ~ until the mid90s/2000s for bonnanos.

Sal Avellino is retired by choice. The other three, well, not much choice about their current roles.


Fifteen years ago, Moe. More than a lifetime in that world. Let's just say that Bowat's position has been greatly diminished.


Nothing Lastorino did made him many allies (outside of the regime that ended up on the losing side). His son was just the cherry on the cake.

If this were thirty or so years ago, they'd all be lucky to be breathing, forget about shelved or demoted. A couple years back there were people in Camp Brooklyn predicting bloodshed and the war to end all mob wars. And I simply said, Never happen. I'm still waiting .

Go ahead and call Amuso the official boss if you want. I'm not arguing that point anymore. In theory, it's fine. But in practice, when you see how the Bronx/Westchester regime is living compared to the old Brooklyn regime, you might just understand what I'm trying to say.

Moe --- When I say "you," it's directed at all of the guys who think Amuso's still the guy. It's not directed at you personally. And I don't want to derail the thread by going down the rabbit hole with my buddy Ivy.

So, I'll finally say, Hey, the Feebs say Amuso's the boss, so I won't argue. But it's only on paper or in theory. In practice, the Crea faction is shitting all over the old Amuso/Casso guys today. And to a true wiseguy, that's worse than getting whacked.

Okay, call it a two post "comeback."

Pb its great to see you back posting my friend.. Hope u had a good holiday....as far what you said and what ive read to me its clear about whos in charge

Side note and this may be a dumb question but ive never seen an answer... Since Raos was brought up... Was is originally started and owned by Vincent Rao, the Gagliano/Lucchese consigliere? Or is that name just happenstance?

If it is, then id have to think as far mob backed restaurants that its the most successful longest lasting one no? That may be an interesting thread in and of itself but any insight is appreciated

Pb
Correct me if im wrong but arent there a few brooklyn guys and maybe a staten island guy or two that do get along with the bronx and still earn? Im talking lucchese, not west siders.

Generally speaking government and law enforcement officials have become more careful about making those kind of rosey predictions and statements. You saw a lot of them back in the 1990s, how they would have the mob reduced to a street gang, if not completely wiped out, in the next 5 or 10 years. That was 20 years ago.

One of the Brooklyn capos was a young guy around 50 forgot his name he was a weed guy. Half a dozen of cassis guy all killers did get released they got to eat somehow. That one guy conte had a lot of bodies. He's free I believe.

What happened with Lastorino's son?

Lastorinos son tried to kill Ray Argentina at his tire shop and failed.. Then jumped in a cab and I think ended up getting killed by cops cause he got out of the cab and pointed his gun at them. Suicide by cop or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

My bad he tried to shoot Peter Argentina. Ray is his older brother

Does Big John Castelle still run the Bensonhurst crew?

I think he still runs that crew. That guy hector pagan robbed and shot was actually under the castelle brothers... Guess he thought he could do that type of shit since tg always got him passes on everything.. Bet he regrets going to bat for him now.

Not a resurgence, just a slow rebuild since the 1990s.

Froggy Galione

He got out a few months ago i believe, was with George Conte in brooklyn. I cant imagine him getting back into the mix after all these years with so many changes.
Im not sure his family is in brooklyn any longer.

Froggy is a pretty serious player. I doubt he's heading for retirement any time soon.

The choice is probably not his.

They're not just going to completely disband the entire Brooklyn faction, are they?

Not a chance.

Some of these posts are pretty funny though. Especially the ones that give you the impression that Brooklyn has been shelved.

the problem is people exaggerate things

i think most would agree steves most trusted guys would be from the bronx but it is ridiculous to think he woke up one morning and said i am getting rid of the entire Brooklyn faction over a beef that happened 25 years ago. These guys in Brooklyn are kicking up to steve and i am sure steve does not dislike every wiseguy in Brooklyn

i think it is possible infact likely that the guys who tried to kill steve could be shelved but thats what two three guys steve is not going to want to wipe out the whole faction.

At one point crea was amusos acting consig. So they must have been close. And crea must have spent a lot of time in the 80tys around casso and amuso.think it was goia who told the feds about a sneak attack on crea so he wouldn't assume the top spot right?94 after casso flipped.

Yeah, I think that whole Brooklyn Vs. Bronx b.s. is way overblown. Some of those guys have operations in Brooklyn and Bronx. Lubrano has guys in Brooklyn.

I find this to be one of the great " Mob Mysteries";



Someone explain this one to me, cause it really never made any sense...
A while back someone posted a Ney Jersey crime report from 83, it said that Chris Funari was being groomed for boss.

Now I found this interesting, cause the guy was from what, Brooklyn? Right? But the power base was always the Bronx and Harlem, with a strong jersey faction.

Was it like' with the decline of the Pleasant ave drug markets, the Harlem crew lost influence to the Brooklyn crew, if even only temporarily?


Was Funari, like' much more respected and powerful than he's given credit for in history? Cause it seems the elevation of Amuso and Casso mostly had to do with his endorsement.



I just had kind of a flash in my mind, Amuso and Casso were big in drugs right? So a lot of that Harlem influence from narcotics revenues, might have flowed to the Brooklyn guys as the Harlem guys transitioned out of the neighborhood? Could that account for the shift in power? It also just occurred to me that Corralo' for all his union chicanery, did have a narcotics conviction, ( overturned on appeal but still), he might have had more in common with Amuso and Casso than we give credit.

You knowledgable guys help me sort this one out.....

Another question, is Migliore retired?

This might be a ridiculous question, during the Riena era, I've read that they had a monopoly on ice distribution, basically refrigeration, do the Luchesses still have interest here? Are they big in refrigeration supply, or repair, or majority shareholders in some freon company, anything along those lines?



Edit; I suppose this could also extend to air conditioning services, anything there?

Yes for years now.

I'd be curious to know what their sources are.

How could they possibly know that without wire taps staring so? And if so I'd love to hear them.

Very possibly pure speculation.

@ Sonny

I can understand wanting to see a source, here is the thing though, it WAS FURNARIS PROTÉGÉS WHO TOOK OVER, what does that say about his power inside that family?




I mean there were other things in that report a little off, but to call it pure speculation? I mean, this same report named all kinds of zips I never heard of, so they got some good info clearly.




Also Sonny, you don't need a wiretap with it coming literally from the horses mouth, lol. You just read between the lines and draw conclusions.
Gotti knew Casso was going to be a power when he was still a soldier. He didn't need a wiretap, lol.




Sometimes you gotta be able to read what you can't see, like dark matter or some shit, you see the effects of it, not the actual substance.




I just find it a little funny, again this is type of stuff we are supposed to go off, law enforcement shit, until it doesn't fit, then it's like, no it's all made up?





Someone in another thread posted an FBI document saying Tramaunti ran the Bonnanos! The fuckin FBI! But I recognize it for what it is, a report based off an informants slanted perspective, not like an outright lie, but to the best of the persons knowledge, that's what it looked like....

He's on Facebook. Cabrini should have just messaged him.

Neil is on FB? Seriously?

Yes. I was surprised too. Apparently it really is him.

Neil Migliore is on Facebook. He races pigeons nowadays or some shit like that.

wow I thought you guys were trolling, he really is on fb

can't talk shit on Joey M anymore fellas!

An old school guy is on there! lol

Anybody on Facebook is an idiot. You say something about anyone it could bit you on the ass.

A friend of mine from Harlem wanted me to sign on something called LinkedIn. I emailed him what should I post on it that I was a life long thief and the other stuff I did. I told him next time I see him I was going to piss in his pool.

Could be someone who is posting his personal stuff without his consent and under his name. Anyone can start an facebook account. He's to old school to do that. Maybe it's the blond?

He's not too old. I know a guy who recently turned 93 and uses Facebook like there's no tomorrow.

It does look like a legitimate account. He's probably just bored in his old age and wants to communicate with his family. Who the hell knows. I don't really care. I just hope the mob groupies leave him alone.

I don't know seems like him. Seems like it is all pigeon related stuff though.

WasMigliore the guy that they tried to hit through a restaurant window or something at his nieces or someone in his families birthday party?

Was that an Amuso/Casso thing?

Real losers trying to hit someone like that around children.

Yes BlackJack, that was a scumbag move. I found this is from wikipedia:

On April 3, 1992, Migliore was celebrating the birthday of a friend's granddaughter in a Westbury, New York restaurant on Long Island.[2] During the party, a gunman in a passing car fired one or two shotgun blasts through the restaurant window, hitting Migliore in the head and chest. Despite his wounds, Migliore survived.

Vittorio "Vic" Amuso had reportedly ordered the hit on Migliore from his prison cell. He feared that Migliore was planning to remove Amuso as official boss and cut off his cash stream. Some investigators suspected that Lucchese soldier Paolo LoDuca, an Italian cocaine trafficker, was responsible for setting up the hit. The attempt on his life did not sway Migliore away from the crime family though.

I wonder who won in the end.

I always wonder if casso order that shooting without amsuo OK. Isn't that around the time he killed pat testa who was amuso right hand young guy on the street? Cause it was said Neil was active in the family well after that. He's comfortable but I bet he's still consulted on shit or still hangs with other active guys just doesn't have a tittle. He was doing 80 yrs then his conviction was overturned then he plead guilty took 8 yrs. He'd still be in jail if that conviction was flipped.

And when casso flipped and gave the FBI the 30+ murders he did I'm sure he was telling the truth so he might have absolved amuso of a few murders. Cause all his paperwork must have came out in discovery of other luchese guys. Surprised it never hit the net. They say he was kicked out the program cause he was to honest about selling drugs with Sammy the bull. He even told the prosecutor he was gonna kill him so I'm sure he admitted to all the shit that went down well amuso was in jail and casso was on the run. Even ordering the hit of fat Pete's sister.

Exactly, Neil's got more millions then you can count while Vic and Gas rot.

Yeah I am congratulating Neil for his win in the war overall on FB right now actually. I will tell him my pals TommyGambino as well as SonnyBlackstein from the GBB send their regards and had a similar sentiment...

All jokes aside though there probably is a sicko or 2 on here who may be capable of something like that..

There was a guy on another board who wrote a ton of Mobsters...I am sure there have been people on here that are pen pals with some lifers from the mob lol

Mobsters get lonely too.