Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?

I remember George Anastasia stating about a year ago how Philly could have an internal war do to jail releases and the fact that 3 different factions had to get along and, divide the ever shrinking piece of the pie. I expected their to be fireworks in the papers but nothing :o( No stabbings, shootings, fighting, what gives?

Has philly resorted to the ways of the docile one?

Expected Philip Narducci to claim the top spot eventually.

Nobody wants to go to prison. Better to make 50k on the streets than die in prison

Isn't the 80s the men that get long prison terms for the scarfo thrist of blood,understand that they will have a share of the pie for his loyality, so better count the money that the bulletts.

Maybe the money they pull in isn't really worth dying for.

Philly is pretty much done. All they have left is a couple books and maybe a little bit of loan sharking. No one is going to war over it. The feds may try to indict Joey for some old crimes, but it will take years to build and by that time no one is gonna care.

Just Like Unc Always Would Say Make Money Not Headlines.!!!!! Listen Phil N will not be taken the top spot anytime soon.. You have Chickie C. Hes the Oldest of all of them so if anything Its his Spot by rights.. So Look Out Philly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

theres no way it will stay quiet for too long. eventually someone will get robbed or there will be a beef over money. its inevitable in south philly. theres just not enough $ for everybody. even still these guys haven't come this far to broker compromises and divi up street $. you can't tell me all parties involved haven't ran this very scenerio in there heads and amongst confidants and cohorts. they've all had pleanty of time to think on it.

Chickie Chang IS NOT going to be boss, not in this day and age. He's 80+ years old..The days of the old guys reigning supreme as boss are over and have been since the 80's. If you notice guys took the reigns around the ages of 50-65, when you look at Philly. That stopped once Nicky Scarfo came along. Then Joey Merlino. It's been that way in most of the other places as well, with rare exceptions. I even doubt if Chickie wants that title. He's perfectly fine with his acting UB position, in which he just mostly aides his son, Johnny who handles the daily activity of an actual underboss.

As others have mentioned though, odds are the money isn't worth fighting over. Considering you hear stories of guys like George Borgesi, who was upset of his lack of earning and business opportunities, who was said to be raising a fuss about it. Instead of it going to the streets, or the "mattresses". He simply got his own group of guys around him and is loansharking and booking for union guys. And there hasn't been word of anybody being forced to kick up anything. They're all scraping the bottom of the barrel, so why go to war over that, with no real gain at stake?

Bodies are going to drop in Philly!

Are you by any chance close to the Changs? How would you know if he's fine with that position? Assuming he even has that position. I love it when posters around here can actually understand the current feelings of alleged underbosses lol. Maybe he only took it because they wanted him to have it. Do you realize how sad Philly has become? We might as well talk about them in the past tense. The only reason we're not seeing any fights or shootings is because there's nothing left. What are you gonna fight over? A book? smh

Pretty sure that's what I just said. And no, I'm not close to the Changs or anyone else in Philadelphia. But when the likes of George Anastasia reports that 80+ year old Chickie was given the UB spot in NAME only, simply because of his years as a stand up guy, and that is in turn co-signed by other mob reporters who deal with Philadelphia, and you have yet to hear otherwise from the Philly natives on here, or any reporter stating different, that's pretty much all you can go on.

He's an advisor, that's it. The guys 80+ years old, again, you're telling me he desires a boss position, for what? What would be the benefits of that for him? Other than a target on his back?

I love it when some noob signs up with Soprano character's name and thinks he's more in the know than anyone else. All we have to go on are FBI reports and news articles. News articles state Chickie is comfortable where he is.

When did I claim to know more than anyone else? I'm not the one who claims to know the mindstate of Chickie Chang.

And when did I say Chickie wanted the boss position? You sound like you have a head problem. Wanna keep assuming about what other people think?

I ain't no noob my friend.

As far as my name goes, didn't you name yourself after a rat's book? Good luck with that. Smh

You shouldn't be shaking your head so much. Your hairpiece may fall off.

true the philly mob is really a bookmaking and loansahrking operation but it is still making money 2011 indicments showed that and the borgta indicment in 2007 showed decent bit of money.

There is also 30+made guys on the streets and mob reporters and FBI still go after them so i would not say they are dead


why are they not fighting?

well from what i read i am not claiming to know anything other than what i read but alot of guys dont get on and if not for steve mazzone there would be bodies on the streets.

Also who is going to fight for the top?

joey and those guys are running things the scarfo guys did 25 years they are in there 50s prob enjoying there freedom why would they want to risk going back to prison honestly and they are already making money philip is doing very well since he got out.

why would philip get the top spot is that from leonettis book a guy who has not spoken to any of these guys in 30 years why and how would philip get the top spot joey and all those guys he would have to fight plus most of the scarfo guys he does not get along with i dont think he would be able to do it but someone on other site not saying it is fact but said he was close with the 10th and oregon gang



at the end of the day when there is no more mob reports or FBI updates or indictments then there is no philly mob until then i will believe what i read

i think when joey and all those guys get hit with the rico and they will it might be a few years but the feds will get him they were embarrassed last time they wont let that happen again and this time for life that will be the beginning of the end

also stop having a go at over people and dont state facts if you have nothing to back anything up for example i always say the Detroit mob is an active family because of scott etc others who are very knowledgeable some know more than me disagree

i respect there opinions and i offer up reasons for why i believe what i do dont just state something with nothing to back up what your saying

Yet, you just tried to claim what I was saying about Chickie, and him being comfortable with his current position was unfounded...Lol, okay.

Fact is, FBI reports and news articles claim him to be UB in title only, a position which they claim, he's happy with because he deals mostly with his son only. Recent articles have him attempting to bridge the gap between the Merlino & Borgesi, simply by giving suggestions. Until they report otherwise, or report that he has some newfound desire to run things, maybe you'll have a point.

Even if someone did report that he was happy with his position then that sill leaves a lot of questions. I find it amazing that you can read a report about someone's state of mind and then run with it like it's gospel. What do you do when posters with "inside" knowledge tell you something? Sal Polisi's lack of credibility doesn't bother you? Maybe we should take those "reports" with a grain of salt, instead of passing them off as facts.

I am no expert but I do live in Philly and it is funny that people think that it is dead. Even if it is a gambling operation at this point it is pretty lucrative otherwise the Genovese would not have conspired to have the leadership killed and put puppets in place before Merlino and Co went away. Again, I can't remember which family from NY had a wire room in South Philly and Uncle Joe reached out to the Gambinos for assistance. The pie is not as large as it once was but there is plenty of activity. I think the more knowledgeable posters from Philly could help explain like VegasMikey, Serp or Stevie. But anyone with any connection to South Philly knows these guys operate.

Sinatra,
You have no idea if Chickie has no desire to be boss and to come and out categorically state he wont be and has no desire to be is simply wrong.

Moreso when you're called out about it you insult the guy who called you out. Cifaretto never said Chickie had desires to be boss, you're the only one who stated his intentions. You then call the guy a noob and insult his moniker.

Put simply, you're wrong on all counts here.

Well said, my friend. I was a little surprised when he decided to resort to petty insults, but I guess some people feel it helps their argument.

The restuarant business is more profitable then bookmaking these days. You dont go to jail for running a profitable restuarant either so it is a good deal all around. Too bad some people didnt figure this out 25 years ago. These guys are still as dangerous as ever though would not want to cross them they are still capable of violence.

Read the articles, read the reports. I'm not stating he has no desire to be boss, the articles and reports do, and like I said, I doubt he even wants the spot, which means in my opinion, based off of those articles and my knowledge of Philly LCN in the past and where it is now, as incomplete as that current knowledge may be. And just look at the landscape, what mobster do you know in the past 30 years who came home, whether it was Philadelphia or elsewhere, where he was 80+ years old, fresh out of prison and appointed boss? He was given the spot he has for a reason. In fact, just to put an end to this, from guys like George Anastasia & Scott Burnstein there was speculation that Chickie would be named Acting Boss when he came home, out of respect. He wasn't. He got his sons position, in name only. Now if it was speculated by the likes of those guys that he would've been named acting boss out of respect, and it turns out he got his son's spot, in title. Doesn't that say he didn't want the position?

He's an advisor, all the articles have stated that he and those around him are comfortable with where he is now.

"Insulted" please. I simply used his exact analogy that he used when trying to tell me I'm wrong for stating the obvious. And you can't tell me I'm wrong for stating the obvious either. When there's an article, FBI report, a member who for a fact states Chickie Ciangalini is boss of the Philadelphia LCN, come back and say "I told you so.." prove me wrong. Until then, I don't know what to tell you, buddy.

Read my posts, what I said was when you read reports and articles, and the Philly natives on this forum and others like it, co-sign that information, odd's are thats the way it is, NOT JUST the articles. Nobody Chickie Chang wants to be boss. NOBODY is saying that he's in the running. NOBODY. The evidence just isn't there.

Nobody insulted you, like I said, I used the same exact analogy you used when you stated "I love it when guys assume yada yada yada..." I'm not assuming anything, people on this forum will tell I contribute a lot with these discussions. Especially Philly, I'm not from there, nor I have ever claimed to be. But I read, I research things and use some of that in what I say on here, if someone from Philly who actually knows these guys tells me I'm wrong, I'm always the first to accept it. This isn't coming out of nowhere, he's been home for about a year and a half, and there's nothing out there, from natives on here, or Anastasia or any other writer, or the feds themselves, that Chickie Chang is going to be boss in the near future or at all. Nothing. Ask Serp, HandsomeStevie, NickyWhip, any of them, don't take my word for it, if it's clearly so troubling for you that I say Chickie Chang becoming boss is unlikely, very unlikely. Maybe one of their words would do better for you.

Chickie Chang becoming boss is NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! Period.

I find it hilarious that you think that I think Chickie will become boss someday. I've never said it or even hinted that. So, you not only claim to know the mindset of Chickie Chang, you claim to know the mindset of other posters, myself lol. You got called out because you have no idea what you're talking about, not because I or anyone else believe some neanderthal who spent over 30 years incarcerated and can hardly walk will become boss. You wanna tell me what I think about the future of the Gambino family? I'd love to hear this.

Then you are so insecure that you feel the need to tell me you 'contribute' a lot. You got called out because you were wrong. If I were you, I'd swallow my pride and try to have a little more respect for my fellow man next time. I never called you names and I never passed off something I could never be sure of as a fact. Your arrogance has messed you up bad. I can't help but wonder how old you are.

I would be astounded if that ever happened. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the claim that he's the underboss, and a 'happy' underboss lol.

Thanks for the responses.....There may not be a war in philly but I think I hit on a warring topic.

Are there even 3 factions within like Anastasia said? If war was to break out, which faction would reign supreme? Does anyone in philly's administration have any connection to NY in 2015 or, are they all alone since the Natale/Merlino vs. Stanfa days?

If these guys have smartened up some, there will be no war. Just concentrate on making money not headlines.

http://aboutthemafia.com/tag/phil-narducci

Philly Mafia remains splintered but adds some new blood

The Philadelphia mafia remains at least by traditional mob standards to be a dysfunctional family as various factions try and coexist on the streets. According to sources this hasn’t stopped the Philly mob from adding to its ranks with a recent making ceremony led by alleged boss Joseph “Skinny Joey” Merlino. At least three new members were inducted into themafia in Philadelphia, according to sources one of which was somehow related to Phil Narducci. With the current instability within the family the move to induct one of Narducci’s guys seems to be a sort of good will gesture to keep things peaceful. Even with the addition of some new blood the family remains fractured into various factions representing two different eras of the crime family’s history according to Scott Burnstein and his Gangsterreport.

The Scrafo era mobsters from the 1980’s are separated into two faction, one led by Phil Narducci and another by Joseph “Joey Pung” Pungitore. The Merlino faction from the 90’s which was once whole has now been split into two camps, one backing alleged family boss Joey Merlino and another backing former Merlino consigliereGeorge Borgesi. Recent tensions between Borgesi and former underboss Marty Angelina caused a break in the Merlino faction according to reports. Sources confirm that Merlino tried to mediate the dispute unsuccessfully among the childhood friends after Borgesi requested permission to kill Angelina for moving in on his rackets while he was in prison. Borgesi is believed to now be establishing a power base mostly backed by non-made guys outside of South Philly.

Things remain quiet overall as the factions have peacefully co-existed so far with acting boss Steven Mazzoneas a sort of intermediary between the key players in Merlino and Narducci who have never seen eye to eye. The feds maintain that Merlino is currently the official boss of the family with Mazzone serving as acting boss handling day to day operations whileJohn “Johnny Chang” Ciancagliniserves as underboss. Former acting boss Joseph Ligambi and veteran mobster Joseph “Chickie” Ciangcaglini both serve as dual consigliere’s. Although it seems with the various factions that have developed the Philly mafia may not be fully functioning along the lines of the traditional mafia structure.

Merlino remains in Florida, where he has lived since his release from prison in 2011 but has made several trips back to Philadelphia and the Jersey Shore in the last few months now that he is off parole and has no limitations. Although some believe he is being influenced by some of his key people to spend more time in Philly overseeing things on the streets. It seems the mob in the City of Brotherly Love is a powder keg which could explode at any time and with the history of this Cosa Nostra family it would be a surprise to no one if things eventually became violent.

Wow, 4 factions! Thanks Furio!

Does anyone know anything about who these guys in Borgesi's crew are? Perhaps the same group of guys often seen around his brother in South Philly or a different crew?

I don't believe in the 4 factions thing...no matter how you cut it all crews is giving joey his cut...borgessi was told to go and earn and thats what he's doing. Borgessi probally got kicked down to captin and now he's starting his own crew...in a couple of years someone in his crew will get made

I heard the Salvo brothers were seen with Borgesi a few times and might be working with him

I think that are 4 factions only in the name;IMO there the guys that fight with Joey against Stanfa and the Scarfo Era old boys that made many y in jail and want a promotion for keep the mouth shut.Skinny stay in Boca and don't want some get angry in Philly with the risk of made the end of bruno and testa.

Good point , And it my just be starting to develop with just about everyone back on the street and several new guys and several guys Around .

Eventually that's what you will see someone getting close to a family in NY like Skinny has made a point of lately himself .

Skinny has been busy trying to do the right thing to watch his back he has been networking a bit lately .
Wonder if that has anything to do with watching his back .

Joey spends most of his time in South Florida. Granted, he's been to Philly twice this fall, but the guy that truly seems to be pulling the strings is Stevie. If there are any strings left to pull that is. It's so watered down. I wouldn't be surprised if it's every man for himself at this point. The country is certainly big enough, and that could explain why we're not seeing any violence.

Anyone have any idea who those new guys might be?

Thoughts of philly being finished is premature...we wouldn't know what thier really up to until the next indictment

Most depend if nicodemo will continue to don't flip or if get 50 y and will think to his beautiful wife that must grow their 3 sons alone ...

According to this week's Gang Land:

"The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.

A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante."

They have a full administration and 4 active crews. How are they not active? From everything I've read, there is still a lot of gambling and loan sharking money to be made. Those poker machines alone made millions for a couple of guys.

No doubt Ted , I just thought the different heads or skippers or other would have pushed back more obvious than it's been .

There is something up other then a Standard New York style family . But this is not uncommon it was not till Bruno that the family had structure similar to New York .

If you look at Philly before Bruno/ Scarfo it was all separate families or each crew had their own boss or head up family divided mostly by Sicilian Calabrese .

It is a wait and see type of thing . Obvious Skinny is at the top of his.

Who is Merlino closer with between the two of them ( Borgesi / Angelina. ? Was Borgesi made By Stanfa ? When was Angelina made?
Borgesi was around Scarfo and crew ( in few pictures ) so is the old Scarfo guys somewhat closer to him then Merlino ?

S-mob 12 Georgie was on Georgia ave in front of the office toward the end way more then Skinny was .
I don't know if that helps - toward the end Skinny had just about embarrassed every one that had his back .
Georgie was around Nick jr and his crowd ...but always with Scarf guys .....

Borgesi was made by Merlino. I think the only ones that were made by Sanfa were Merlino and Michael Ciangalini, both in 1989 I think. Merlino/Stanfa made Johnny Ciangalini, Borgesi, Angelina and Lancalotti and others. And Merlino's crew were basically descendants of the Scarfo guys so there is probably a lot of pics of them together from the 1980s.

"He told me he was the `coon-see' (consigliere)," Aponick said. He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case.

Borgesi is the only one of seven defendants in that case still in jail.

"He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."


Maybe this is why Borgesi is so pissed. When Merlino took over it was suppose to be the three of them on top. Now it's Merlino, Mazzone and Johnny Ciancaglini. And isn't Ciancaglini running Delaware County now (Borgesi's old territory)?

Johnny Chang is supposedly the guy in Delaware County now. So you could have a point.

Who made Merlino? Was it Stanfa?

Who was he made with...what year?

I used to know but cant remember

I don't know how accurate this is:

The older Sicilian Don was incensed at their disrespectful behaviour calling them “cuckolds” disgusted at their lavish nights out and ostentatious clothes. Tension began to rise in the Philadelphia underworld between the two rival factions. However Stanfa believed that he could placate the young mobsters and keep a closer eye on them by initiating them into the crime family. He also thought they would be easier to kill as members of the mafia because one of the rules is that you have to attend a meeting when your boss demands it. Joey Merlino and his best friend Michael Ciancaglini were inducted into the Philadelphia Mafia by John Stanfa at a making ceremony in September 1992.
https://globalmafianews.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/the-life-and-crimes-of-joey-merlino/

Sounds about right

I thought it was Stanfa

Can someone post the articles from gangland on here or no?

... ...the riccobene faction,the north jersey faction,& old man rugnetta w/ his crew....

"They're fighting over coffins or prison cells."

That's one of Ol' Georgie's favorite lines, according to him Maria Merlino said that on a taped telephone conversation..

Kinda feel sorry for the woman how Salvie Testa ditched her not long before they were supposed to get married.
I also always wondered how she looked..

She looks like Joey with long hair, same body type as well.

Haha, now I'm picturing a transvestite, that doesn't do her any good LOL

Delaware county? So who are the hardened corner guys that one report a few weeks back suggested Borgesi had with him?

I think it's referring to his old business partners.

I think they are probably more concerned with making money than with starting a war. I don't think mob wars are how the mob earns money.

I thought Johnny Chang was made before all of them ,By Scarfo.... ?

Wonder how much Uncle Joe was making as acting boss and how much he was putting to the side for the 3 of them. (Joey , Georgie , Stevie ) if that was the situation they made . 25% ea? .

Skinnys sister was cute !!! Not a supermodel . But for Salvie to put a ring on her finger she must of been something. The girls he had down here were drop dead gorgeous so she must of had something to her .
She was able to catch her self a second millionaire and this one married her !!!

She also had her nails in a couple Philadelphia Flyers back in the day ...

i doubt they were getting anything esp geogre and stev. Geogre had his own rackets his loansharking operation he ran through his brother and lou moncellao. Steve why would he get any money. Joey might have got some but no way 25 percent remember the entire merlino crew was convicted in 2001 ligambi had stanio mousie Joe “Crutch” Curro he had a strong organization and he was the top guy why would he need to kick up 25 percent to merlino what could merlino

now dont get me wrong i think joey was getting some envelopes but they were too keep him happy joey had no idea about the day to day he was getting moved around different prisons constantly through the 2000s how would he even know what 25 percent

now when marty angelini got released i think the only reason he got made underboss was out of respect for merlino but i dont think marty really knew any of the big things that was stanio mousie and ligambi and he was not making big money i mean marty was the underboss and he was scamming geogres guys for 2k spitting on cops fighting with his wife i doubt ligambi would be around someone like that

when steve got out he prob got a piece of the pie johnny chang was always a earner he could set up his own things.

i do always wonder if ligambi and those guys had not been busted in 2011 things could have got interesting with merlino and his guys all getting out would ligambi have been willing to give up the top spot to steve and joey


what the fuck does that loser who was ratting on geogre in the can know i mean the guy was looking for a way out of the can he was a jail house informer they can never be trusted and what the fuck does geogre know he and ligambi were beefing him and marty were beefing only thing he knew on the streets was from lou moncellao

I thought Johnny Chang was made before all of them ,By Scarfo.... ? [/quote]

I thought the same thing. Johnny was one of last guys made by Scarfo.

Maybe cause he was just acting boss. Ligambi i think knew his place in that aspect and Joey was the BOSS even tho he was doing a 12year bid. They gave him that seat he obviously had to kick to them . ( or to someone) . I think Ligambi was going to become underboss or maybe even under that when Joey was released ( I think the tapes show that in Jersey. )
Ligambi had a nice little crew around him, I think that was one of the best things to happen he did alot of good for philly lcn.
Marty I've heard was really name only in underboss. ( I think him getting beat up at the bar by "neighborhood guys " says it all. (Name only ) .
What is the guess on Ligambi clearing on average in those 10-12 years ? Curious

That's all BS, gangster report. All signs point to Ligambi faithfully serving in Merlino and Co's absence. Merlino clearly has an iron grip on the family. You really think Ligambi's crew would of tried to challenge Merlino's crew? They started a war to get on top, they'd fight another one to stay there. Even if there wasn't an indictment in 2011, I think Mazzone and Chang would of taken the #2 and #3 spots until Ligambi died/retired.

I thought Johnny Chang wasn't made yet because he was still serving a prison sentence.

Here's an interesting newspaper quote from Johnny Chang's lawyer in 1989:

"Much has been mentioned about his father," who is in prison on a 1982 federal racketeering conviction, Nastasi said. Nastasi referred to a letter to the judge from Ciancaglini's father in behalf of his son in which the father accepted responsibility for his own crimes.

Nastasi noted that while other Ciancaglini sons had been "initiated and made members" of the Nicodemo Scarfo crime family, John Ciancaglini had not.

"There are sons younger and older who are involved in a much more serious way. That should weigh in his favor," Nastasi told Gawthrop.

I think that article is flat out wrong. Here's whats actually documented through law enforcement and our current knowledge of things. Mikey Chang was made in the early 90's alongside Merlino by John Stanfa. Joey Ciancaglini was made around this same time period, but prior to Mikey & Joey Merlino being made, he too was made by Stanfa and then promptly promoted to Underboss. And I think there's only three Chang brothers. So if both of these guys weren't inducted until the 90's, then whom are these "other" Ciancaglini sons who had been "initiated & made members"? John Ciancaglini was one of the last guys inducted by Scarfo, while I could be off on that, I'm 90% certain of that to be the case.

I've posted this before - and I could be wrong as well - but I'm nearly certain that Johnny Chang was inducted by Merlino once he came home from prison in 1995, not by Scarfo. According to the Pennsylvania Crime Commission, there were 42 guys inducted by Testa/Scarfo/Piccolo from the time Testa took over in April 1980 until the last making ceremony conducted by Piccolo in 1990 (which was recorded by George Fresolone).

I uploaded a screenshot of those 42 names:





Obviously the list was put together with the help of cooperating witnesses, ie. Caramandi, DelGiorno, Merlino, and Leonetti. There was also a newspaper article that I've posted before from when Johnny Chang was coming home from prison in 1995 and the reporter contemplated which faction of the splintered crime family he would return to. He was named as a "mob associate" in this article.

http://articles.philly.com/1995-01-06/news/25712825_1_john-stanfa-joseph-skinny-joey-merlino-mob

Nice list K1ng!

Speakin' of salvie & women,my wife was just reading a book called 6000 days of us about rosina rucci & her life & love w/salvie ,i glanced through it & could'nt stop..weird but interesting..tells of thier childhood together,lovers as teens & so forth,she claims that thier love was so deep that he occasionally "visits" her in her sleep...made me also wonder if this chick could be one of the reasons he dropped maria..i dont know,just thought i'd throw that out there.

Its a book about a girl that was in love with Sal Testa? Crazy stuff.

she grew up with him,first as children and became best friends plutonically,then as teens, fell in love ,lived 3 houses down from the testa's on porter st.,,both mothers were good friend's ,she knew his whole family & vice versa..wife found it online for like $3.00.

6000 Days of Us by Rosina Rucci,google her name ,you'll have many results.

Marty Angelina is Skinny's daughters God Father, for what it's worth.....

http://articles.philly.com/1996-11-18/ne...s-mob-underboss

Is the article right about Ciancaglini's height being 6 ft. 1?

Someone here said he was well under that.

Johnny Chang is 6'1 at least

Good find, my man. I am proven wrong. And now that I think about it, I think he may have been made by Natale exactly, I think I recall reading that somewhere. I think. Not too sure on that.

Recent Gangland article by George Anastasia/Jerry Capeci, titled "Who's The Big Joe?" goes into the current boss situation and what I was saying about Chickie Chang on the first page. The article itself specifically states "..Joseph "Chickie" Ciancaglini, after doing a 25-year bit for racketeering, who says he's enjoying his freedom and is not interested in the old life". Like I said, Chickie is fine where he's at. They also confirm Scotts articles on Philly, and are essentially saying the same things he's said months ago in regards to Borgesi & Angelina and Borgesi making noise.

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A pretty reliable source on the other forums, claim one of the Baldino's whom Phil Narducci is supposedly "at war" with..Keep in mind "at war" being a figure of speech. But anyway, the guy gets stabbed at a party for Johnny Garbarino, leader of the 10th & O crew, who's close to Phil. Garbarino has supposedly been recruited by Borgesi in the past, and supposedly all of the mob guys wanted him with them, he basically told them to go fuck themselves and stayed around Phil, that explains his relationship with the 10th & O crew.


Again, not my info, just sharing what's already been said elsewhere.

I also heard a similar story that SinatraClub is talking about. Seems like some old bullshit getting ready to start up. I was told that this Narducci kids nephew started up some shit at a strip club. Was told this kid robbed Narducci of a club and restaurant. They say the kid is on steroids and is not liked at all. Anyway I hear he definitely got tuned up for spitting towards his uncle. SinatraClub mentioned anouter forum about this but I could not find it?

Wait... a non made guy that is in the 10th and O gang took a club and bar from Narducci??

And this guy is supposed to take on Merlino and company for the top spot?

hahaha

this is exactly what dude on real deal said that sinatra is talking about...


This happened last week..Garbs had his Christmas party and there was about 50 or so people there his whole crew and Phil narducci was there and a friend of mine who was with Philip and Johnny Garbs..so after the party they all go to a strip club. Garb,s his crew, Phil and bunch others..After a while Garbs leaves with a bunch of guys and Phil and a crew stay behind partying..so who walks in the door?Philips nephew who he is at war with..some time passes by the nephew is getting ready to leave and what happens next?the nephew gets stabbed in the neck with a broken bottle..not a very serious cut but hit with it none the less..so now things are getting very very interesting..I know some of you are going to ask who did the stabbing,im not saying for obvious reasons..it will come out and let it be more open and then i will fill in the blanks..

and another post said...

Garbs is Johnny garbarino one of the leaders of the 10th and O crew..still has a ton of guys around him and he is very close to Phil..he hates most of the mob guys there and they stay out of his way.
I also heard Borghesi tried kissing up to him and tried to recruit him not long ago..trust me,they all want him on there side..he has told them to go fuck themselves and they do nothing..Phil is his guy..
Garbs knows that the nephew and screwed Philip over and knows the whole story..

Dunno about the part of a club and restaurant being taken over from Narducci, or where it came from. But the rest is pretty accurate as far as what that poster on RD said. And it's supposedly one of the Baldino's whom is being spoken about, and as we've learned one of them were recently made. So, who knows what will or already has gone down.

Word on the street is that this Baldino kid is no good and is hanging around Johnny Chang. All the other guys dislike this kid but for some reason Johnny Chang thinks the world of this kid. They also said that this Baldinos mother who is Narducci's sister tried desparately to put her brother back in jail. Even the Baldino kids father has been seen meeting with various law enforcement. This can get very interesting! Joe the boss Merlino has also warned Chang to stay away from this kid but I guess the $$$ outways morals.

You talk about Frank Baldino Baldino or Joseph or someone else?
For the latest news Frank Baldino was inducted into the family he became a soldier.

Anyone hear which strip club in Philly this went down at? I am going to bet either Delilahs or Cheerleaders. I always see Philly guys at those places when I go to them after seeing either my Mets, Knicks, Devils, or college hoops in the South Philadelphia Sports Complex....

Don't see how Merlino could tell Johnny Chang to stay away from Baldino, when Merlino reportedly signed off for him to be inducted. Interesting, to say the least.

its joey merlino nothing ever makes sense with the guy i dont think he cares about the the induction cermonary he will let anyone in if he knows he will make $$$ bobby lusi a perfect example a low level guy who was seen as a joke within in New England couldent earn joey let him in because he promised 10k a month

Take the baldino guys father was the man john veasey killed in front a dinner? Read somewhere they all close to Chang like next door neighbors or so. Anyway if the guy is really a inducted member he probaly wouldn't get stabbed and when there's a mother made guy there right? It's a bad look if so. Don't all the members have to go and avenge this. The guy couldn't have been that hated if they inducted him recently isn't it one guy says no and it can't happen.

Philadelphia Family is one of the family that the youngest members if Frank Baldino 28 years, Andrew Micali 31years, Vincent Procopio 50 have been inducted there are few.
In the same way as Dominic Grande only 35 years.
There are also Douglas Rubino 37 years, Joseph Baldino Jr 31 years and others do you think in the other families of the American mafia there are as polling?
And there he had some new members in the Philadelphia family or other.

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All we have are rumors. Do we even know which Baldino got stabbed? I know one of them is made, but I always thought it was the older one, not Frank. Hell, they could both be made for all we know.

My guess is that the the guy who got stabbed wasn't made. That would be a surprising move, but then again, nothing surprises me when it comes to Philly lol.

None of them borgata guys r made not micali not Rubino not procopio neither baldino they r just card players who knew nicodemo. Yes they got jammed up with them that doesn't mean they're made. These guys aren't even close 2 being made. Joey b is the closest outta the group and hes not made just hangs around Chang I do enjoy reading this forum but some of the shit u guys come up with I don't know where u get it from.

Does Johnny Chang have a big crew?

How do we know you aren't the bullshitter?

Unless we get a real mobster to post on this forum and verify his account somehow, most - if not everything - we hear has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Mikio I don't know where you hear these stories. Word on the street is that Joseph Baldino is a rat and nobody likes him. So why would you think that he is inducted. If they start inducting guys like this than Philly really is a disgrace. Guys are also laughing about Johnny Chang running out of the strip club and leaving Baldino alone to get beat up. Where did these guys come from. Guess this is just another segment in the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

johnny chang left baldino? that does not sound like him i know he was not the most violent guys but it would suprise me if he "ran" he is the acting underboss not denying what your saying though you could be right. I know louie turra in the 90s tried to kill joey merlino he and his guys they did not care about the mob but even for philly mob this sounds weird then again these same guys battered marty angleini last year and joey and those guys did nothing

This happened outside Cheerleaders. And keep in mind, I don't think this Phillyguy user is the same individual I'm talking about who's giving us this information on RD. He didn't even mention Johnny Chang being there, nor which Baldino it was, yet. Phillyguy could be right for all we know, but I'm going by what the source over on RD is saying for now.


As far as what pmac said and the whole "standing up for another made guy" thing, as we've seen from Bent Finger Lou first assaulting Angelina, and then wanting him murdered, all under the advisement of George Borgesi, shows that that's an out of date idea, at least in Philly anyway. And if Phil Narducci hates the Baldino kid, it doesn't matter if Narducci is also made or not, he isn't going to go out of his way to help the kid, especially since it's a nephew whom supposedly screwed Narducci over, bad.

I cant remember, did Bent Finger Lou ever actually have Marty assaulted? Lou is a black belt would probably whoop martys ass lol

I'm not sure, I could've been wrong on that. I know Monacello wanted him assaulted, and it was supposedly in the plans according to his testimony after everything was relayed to Georgie Boy.

no lou monacello did not have him assaulted. He paid two guys orginally money to kill marty then changed his mind and said he wanted him beaten feds arrested him before he could give the order

Monacello, who was targeted in the “Operation Delco Nostra” investigation, has agreed to testify for the government in the current federal case. He was recorded telling informant Frank “Frankie the Fixer” DiGiacomo that Angelina was the “most hated mother­f----- in the mob” and offering $2,000 to have him “beat up really bad.”



but marty was beaten up the 10th and Oregon apparently this year i cant find the link but there was a picture of him he was all cut up.

Joeys guys go way back with the 10 and oregon been beefing for years
since 90s when joey merlino tried to use the street tax on louie turra he said no he wont pay joey he had a crew of guys was making 1mil a month in coke deals so joey decided he would scam him his own way he got johnny chang to borrow 10k of louie turra saying it was for a loansharking operation and johnny and joey split the money and never paid the turras back. Then louie turra got beaten up by joey merlino and his guys in a nightclub. Louie started to plot to kill joey plots to throw grenades into joeys house with his pregnant wife he was preparing for war the feds raided a room full of machine guns they were planning on using. Ralph natale and rocco turra managed to get a peace treaty but louie turra and anthony turra ignored the treaty were trying to kill merlino. The feds busted the turras and others on murder and drug charges louie turra killed himself rocco turra a street legend flipped and anthony turra was killed in 1998 on orders of joey merlino.

That picture of Marty's scratched up face was the result of a domestic dispute or some shit. His woman fucked him up. Not 10th and O.

Marty was beat up by 10th and O crew back in 2006-2007ish at a strip club though . Word was that Uncle Joe just made the 10th and O crew guys involved simply apologize.

yearh thats what i heard he got beaten up in a strip club i think i got the dates mixed up

No Fear
Recent incidents raise a question: Is anybody scared of Philly's mob?
by Brendan McGarvey and Gabriele J. Valentine



It doesn't seem as if the local mob can even buy a little respect these days. Earlier this year, Marty Angelina, acting underboss of Philadelphia's La Cosa Nostra, was beaten up by a member of the notorious 10th and O Gang.

Bad move, right? You'd never know it from the punishment doled out for the January incident at Delilah's. According to mob watchers, the 10th and O guy was merely forced to apologize a couple of weeks ago. Which, says one Mafia expert, means that "They let him get away with it. I mean, he had to say, 'I'm sorry, Marty.' That's it! I'm sorry? Ten years ago, the Mob would have wiped out 10th and O for putting their hands on a made guy."

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Then again, the 10th and O boys are not your average criminals. They're South Philly guys from around 10th and Oregon avenues; many are Italian-American and all are involved in drug trafficking. The gang has existed for almost 40 years and has included several generations of local families. Today, it's splintered into two smaller crews that cooperate with one another and operate in South Philadelphia and South Jersey, often working hand-in-glove with other organized-crime groups, including the Mafia. But just as often, they've been willing to wage war with their underworld neighbors.

In August 1999, a member of the 10th and O gang tried to kill the reputed leader of the local Pagan biker gang, Steven "Gorilla" Mondevergine. Gorilla was shot nine times but survived and several years later, he wounded a 10th and O guy during a daylight shooting on a South Philly street corner.

Four years earlier, 10th and O crew boss Louis "Louie" Turra was furious with the Mafia and refused to pay the mob a street tax to operate his multimillion-dollar drug ring. The mob sent a few leg breakers to viciously beat him so, infuriated and humiliated, Turra plotted to kill mob leader Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino. But Turra chose the wrong hit man for the job: the gunman was an FBI informant.

In 1997, Turra and 14 other gang members, including his father, Anthony, were indicted on federal racketeering charges. Louie committed suicide in jail while awaiting trial and two months later, in March 1998, Anthony Turra was gunned down outside his South Philadelphia row house. The police said the mob did it and showed up at Merlino's clubhouse to "interview" the mob boss and two of his associates. One of the reputed mob associates taken in for questioning that day was Angelina, who was never charged although some organized crime investigators believed he played a role.

Continuing down the mob's Rodney Dangerfield path, a certain mobster was thrown out of his house by his wife last week after she read a City Paper account of an unsavory late-night party [Underworld, "It Isn't Real!," Brendan McGarvey and Gabriele Valentine, June 21, 2007].

In February, Angelina was headed back to prison for parole violations when fellow wise guys threw him a going-back-to-jail party at an Old City nightclub. During the private soiree, a beautiful woman wearing a dog collar and leash crawled along the bar and proceeded to paw at one mobster's private parts while others cheered her on. Although no names were mentioned, one CP-reading wife presumed that it was her husband holding the leash that night and promptly kicked the Mafioso to the curb for acting like a dog.

On top of all that, it seems that even neighborhood dirtbags seem to be losing their fear of the mob. In the last month, someone has broken into the corner store at Ninth and Moore not once, but twice. The store has been a mob hangout for decades, according to numerous law enforcement and mob sources, but many neighbors seem to appreciate the presence of a group of seemingly polite young and middle-aged men who sit on the corner benches and play cards inside the store. More than a few have told CP that, over the years, the mobsters, associates and wannabes who hang there keep the neighborhood safe. They say local hoodlums and drug dealers give the quiet neighborhood a wide berth. But someone isn'tso impressed.

While locals blame a bold, drug-addicted neighborhood teen for the break-ins, at least one mob watcher has a different spin. He thinks the feds are breaking in to plant electronic listening devices to spy on the men who allegedly use the store to run gambling and loan-sharking operations.

"Of course they want to make it look like it's a neighbor burglary," the mob insider says. "That way, nobody suspects the FBI."

That shitty movie, "10th & Wolf" is supposedly based on the 10th & O crew.

Giovanni Ribisi as joey..very shitty indeed.

Seems like Baldino's father went to the cops about the strip club fight. Somebody saw a lot of cops at his house a few hours after the fight. I guess the apple does not fall far from the tree. People are saying that this Joey Baldino pals around with a cop and a guy that testified against his Uncle and does business with Santo Procopio another guy that testified against his uncle. My friend told me that his uncle is foaming from the mouth. Guess we will see what happens. I would not want to be in their shoes right now. His uncle is a very serious no nonsense guy

I know that Skinny joe had only 2 daughter. Any Merlino to gave the rein if soon or later will go in prison again ?

who is the witness he is hanging around with? i am thinking of all the guys who testified against narducci that are still alive leonetti gino tommy del the crow

I really doubt any of those guys would be back in Philly hanging out with known mob associates.

thats what i am thinking maybe its a low level bookie who flipped someone like that i dont know

From what I was told Baldino had his friend Anthony Faz and Santo Procopio testify against his Uncle Philip in order to put him back in jail and take over his restaurant and club. His mother also testified as well. Long story short I heard that besides that he made his friend Danny who is a cop go to houses to try and recover video surveillance of an assault on one of the witnesses. Besides that they have been calling his Probation officer to try and have him arrested. Bonafide rats. Narducci don'y even want to hear this kids name. He despises him and Johnny Chang to no end

And Johnny Chang loves the kid? I don't know guy, but this story sounds very strange to me. Something doesn't add up.

not denying your story in fact i believe the guy got stabbed and i dont know why you would lie so i believe everything your saying but like the guy above said there is a whole in your story why would johnny chang the acting underboss of the entire mob hang around with two known rats and guys like joey merlino and steve mazzone think about that i know they are all greedy but not that greedy i mean looking at gino getting hit in 2012 he was a known rat guys like nicdemeo were not standing for that

So Johnny Chang is hanging out with known rats and stoolies? Chickie Ciangaglini's son? Idk man, doesn't sound like something a made guy like Johnny Chang would want to associate himself with, it naturally makes him look just as bad as this Baldino kid.


Like I said before, the source on RD hasn't mentioned any of this. But he also said he wouldn't go into detail until the details popped up somewhere else first. And speaking of Nicodemo, over on RD some are saying that he had this guy with him when he was on the street, DePena. I don't know if it's the Mikey Penknife guy, as I don't think it is. But supposedly this DePena guy jumped ship and is now around Narducci. The source said he'd try to confirm it, but hasn't yet spoken on what he found out or if he heard anything at all like that.

Johnny Chang has been on vacations with guys like Virgil Mariutti who testified in a case against the Philadelpha Housing Authority.This guy was even at his 50th surprise party! So why would you be shocked if he's hanging with this Baldino kid. Money makes people do stupid things. One guy I know said that Johnny Chang woud go in business with Sammy the Bull Gravano if he could make money. This is one of his own people telling me this. This thing is all about money nothing else matters. Thats why they don't get any respect from anybody

your saying the Procopio's who have owned that lets say "store" on that corner for 100 years are ratting out Phil Narducci? they been involved with them people forever
you also said a while ago that Phil is not involved in that life, so why/how could any of this matter to him? if hes not involved its none of his concern, no

Phil Narducci is definitely involved in "that life"...

I don't believe a word of this. The Italians in South Philly despise rats. Johnny Chang would've been shelved immediately. Yet, he's still close to Joey and Stevie. You honestly think those guys would be cool with Johnny if he's doing the things you say he's doing?

Just because someone has Philly in their name doesn't mean they are telling the truth.

Which is what I alluded to the first time. Again, the information I first gave in this thread was from a user on RD, and I don't believe this guy is that same person. That individual didn't mention Johnny Chang in this incident at all, nor any of the other things about the guy who got stabbed, ratting anyone out. But this guy could also be telling the truth, some of what he says matches up with what was said on RD, some of it simply doesn't.

I don't know if any of the men are are hanging with rats . But there was a big party and a couple of the wife's are hanging with woman rats...one wrote a book and she was at the party.

Dont know if its just networking for legitimate business, quite a few are running some pretty good business.

Not going to say who but there only a few ladys that have wrote a book and was involved in crime.But they all seam to know each other.

Well whaddya know, the guy may be telling the truth after all.

He was in prison on his 50th birthday.

He may have meant the birthday party that was thrown for Johnny Chang earlier this year. The one where he had that ugly ass cake.

johnny chang is 58 but like sintra said johnny chang had a massive party this year

i dont see why he would lie i do believe what he is saying but i will not take it as fact till i hear and find out more

I doubt Billy Bones (Depena) jumped ship to Narducci as somebody claimed on here earlier. He has been allowed to have a big book and loan sharking operation for years with a friendly agreement with Nicodemo and I doubt that was changed since Nicodemo went in.

I also don't know if it was mentioned on here before but I seen a few posts about somebody claiming to be Johnny Changs wife supposedly posting on here, I can confirm due to activity I seen on Facebook during that time that it was in fact her and a good friend of hers using that account.

Baldino's Father has ZERO to do with the Mob, he has a legit job and its not the mob

the guy never said baldinos father was in the mob he said he was a legit guy who went to law enforcment about philip

Who was the baldino veasey killed and said he felt real sorry about later on? Of subject I was behind some dude at CVS with a cookies tavern hoodie on said something about Oregon on 10th way the fuck up here in mass. Looked like a dude that could handle himself.

really i thought it was some freak the whole time

That poster is pretty reliable. But again, like I said, he couldn't confirm it or say it wasn't true. Just that he'd respond about it when he had more information. If what you say is true, all well.

And not dismissing you, just a real question, how does facebook activity translate to someones activity on this forum itself? The Kathy Chang account also had a similar one on The Real Deal forums, which was also banned for the same thing, having multiple accounts. And both the "BIGMOMMA" account and the Kathy Chang account had the same ip, while claiming to be different people. But if it was her and a friend of hers, that would explain it. I just don't know how someone who supposedly is involved with these people in real life, would particularly know about the numerous Cosa Nostra sites on the web. Do wiseguys really talk about us and the things we say? Lol.

Did it look like this one?

I know the poster you are talking about, and he has been spot on for almost everything he has said, and has spoken of incidents long before they hit ganglandnews or the paper

There are certain people I trust their info in a certain area, and he is one of those guys when it comes to the Philly circle

hmmm, woman rats huh

BC??

think he was a relative of some kind of the ones mentioned here

May i but in & ask, what is this RD (real Deal?),a site or something??

Correct. Another mob forum.

Yeah. Handsome Stevie and George Borgesi are always talking about how funny that Moe kid is.

And Lou Monacello says he doesn't think he's that funny.

And Borgesi shouts shut the fuck up Fagfinger. Who asked you?

And Marty Angelina says guys don't shoot me but I kinda agree with Lou. Moe is just a little smartass. He gets on my nerves.

to be honest the philly mob is such a circus i wouldent even be surprised


you have these guys on tape talking about this site johnny chang and steve mazzone

Yep that hoodie but lite blue.

DePena is definitely still with Nicodemo. The person who made the claim was thinking of someone else and made a mistake.

Billy Bones Depena's son is doing craigslist robberies out in the South Jersey suburbs...

http://www.southjerseylocalnews.com/arti...80826181879.txt

Salvatore, what would you like to be when you grow up? "Racketeer" Very good, Salvatore.

What about you, Carmine? "Bookmaker" Excellent choice, Carmine.

What would you like to be when you grow up, Vito? "Legbreaker" Good boy Vito.

What about you, Vic? "Craigslist robberies". Go to the principals office right now! *spanks him on the butt* Wait till your parents find out what you said!

Got to call bullshit on phillyguy39, he said a year ago the Narducci brothers aren't involved anymore and are legit, now he's talking this nonsense?

Since u seem to know so much name 1 thing they're involved in. None of the scarfo guys are doing anything u guys go by that dumb ass chart. Get your heads outta your asses and u all think fuckin micali and Rubino are made

Never even heard of Rubino, and it's common knowledge on here that Micali isn't made.

LMAO

These guys are learning, bodies never go away, look at the family secrets trial, decades old murders sending away a bunch of 80 year olds who thought they made it free and clear away for there golden years.

Johnny Chang was indicted in 1986 at the age of 31 by NJ State Police in Operation Tiger Shark as a Soldier

http://articles.philly.com/1986-11-04/news/26093312_1_indictments-scarfo-family-mob-figures

Does anyone here ever know of what happened to Uncle Joe Ligambi with this indictment he received from the 80s w/ Yogi Merlino:

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1985/Two-In...9cc101fca60caba

My wife's brother in law Tommy Lafferty(now deceased) had the same exact fuckin' piece.

I think the charges were dropped..

Sorry men do you have a list of the 3 recent made in philly ?

heres some pics you guys might like a made guy hanging with a gov't informant

Good pics. Thanks

who is that?

Why is Johnny Chang hanging around with Screech from Saved By The Bell?

who's the rat?

His name is Virgil Mariutti and he testified against the Philadelphia Housing Authority. This is one of Chang's best friends.

http://articles.philly.com/1992-11-07/news/26009647_1_pha-contractors-sentencing

But the judge, saying it was "one of the most difficult sentences I have had to impose," still sentenced Mariutti to eight months in prison for his crimes.

All to avoid 8 months in prison?

What a pussy.

It looks like the bottom photo was taken at Steve's joint...You could see the pic of him with his gorilla arms, above the stoolies head.

It is pretty strange he's hanging around this guy.

for what it's worth that woman in the pic is Maria Testa (Salvie's sister) and her husband. Virgil Marriutti is the guy who ran Virgilio's and who it was named for. Maria Testa Muzio also testified against the entire Scarfo family in the Testa murder trial so that's two I guess. I wouldn't really classify Virgil Mariutti as a rat but I get what you're getting at. They killed Frank Sindone at Mariutti's house also.

You were right Phillyguy.



My how Philly LCN has fallen.

More recent pics of Chickie Chang

Wonder if there are any recent pics of Joey Chang about?

Must be an interesting dynamic.

His brother and father socialising with the guys who left him a vegetable.

Wonder if he has a miserable life, or if he's doing okay?

As long as you can make money they don't care if your a rat, junkie, fag, child molestor etc........ Even Marty Angelini backed up from these guys. He's been saying that they are all a bunch of mutts. I guess where there is smoke there is fire. LCN is a thing of the past. Wake up people.

I'm honestly stunned by this. Never in a million years did I think there was any truth to these stories. South Philly guys are usually very anti-rat, especially the mob guys.

However, Johnny never really struck me as a hoodlum. He's not the type of guy who will go after you with a baseball bat. Didn't it come out during the trial the he was the only guy in that crew who didn't have a girlfriend on the side?

I wonder what Joey is thinking. Or Stevie.

the philly LCN has been a thing of the past since scarfo and his guys were busted. Stanfa organization had some strength but even that mob was mess ended up in a war.

Since merlino and natale took over in 1995 this family has become a joke. In north jersey there was paedophile casale.

philly mob has been the most dysfunctional family since the 90s the whole thing is a circus which makes it interesting for to watch

ummm he only got 8 months because he informed.

It would have been longer.

nice chang pics

What about Frank Gambino who was a member? He was also a homosexual and a pedophile. He had young kids in prison while he was doing his sentence. These guys don't look into their people background like years ago. Literally they hung a help wanted sign in the window. Bottom of the barrel scavengers.

Does Steven Mazzone in this picture remind any of you of anyone?

He actually has his own name written on his jacket in case he forgets.

They call him Simple Stevie.

is that uncle Junior Soprano on the far right?

Is that Mikey Chang?

Yes it is.

Yeah, but that's not the issue. The issue is Joey's outfit. If I didn't know who that was, I'd think this guy was a backup dancer for Weird Al Yankovic.

Lol

It was the 80s. Nothing fashion-related made sense in the 80s.

That thing was sweet. That was when he was still a member of color me bad but he got to big for his britches or wat ever the fuck that word is.

Hey that could probaly be the photo from the day them two were inducted. Looks like nino brown suits 92ish. Am I my brother keeper. Who the lady his mom or joes.

seriously he was a fruit? ahahah wow...
have to admit i remember that virgils story in the news back in the day, surprised the "acting underboss" hangs out with him, fuckin crazy

He's FLAMING!



Frank Gambino's soldiers.

I've always said the Merlino crew aren't really LCN. more a street gang of friends.

Chang being friends with a known rat is really unexpected, and he's literally top 3-5 in that family, what a joke they are. No wonder Narducci can't stand him.

Virgil Mariutti's kid Joseph owns a barbershop down in South Philly on Moyamensing jointly with Frank Narducci's Jr's son also named Frank Narducci. So this isn't just Johnny Chang. Might not be much to this?

i am getting confused I thought the narduccis hated this guy. If they did then why is franks son doing business with him. The johnny chang thing really did surprise me

This Joe Mariutti kid is an asshole from what I hear but he's not a rat like his father. Narducci's son has been friends with this kid for many years and is no part of LCN

If Philly was old school this wouldn't happen but Philly isn't. Loosely connected guys running sports book, loaning and a little extortion.

Looks like Merlino raided MC Hammer's wardrobe.

On another side note does anyone think that the Rocco Maniscalco murder in 2011 was a mob hit or unrelated? Sure seemed like a mob hit to me and it was confirmed from a family member that he was getting leaned on by Borgesi from jail and pushing back (he was a bookie as well as a tow truck operator). For whatever reason it didn't seemed to get picked up by the Feds to closely or get as much press as the DiPietro fiasco but just seemed like an obvious connection was there and the more likely explanation based on the available theories... Anyone have any thoughts or tidbits on this?

Wasn't he in trouble with multiple people? That may be why the mob connection isn't as harped on.

Who knows?...Maybe The Sins of the ForeFathers and all.


On a real side note: @Moe..

Are your friends going to be upset with you for posting a picture of them at one of your Saturday night "Sleepover" parties?

I think that hit occurred on Ligambi's watch in 2009, rather than 2011. It's difficult to say what happened exactly, but I think there's certainly a good chance that this had something to do with those guys. Would we know who whacked out Gino DiPietro if Nicodemo had not been caught red handed? People would speculate, but we wouldn't really be nowhere close to any answer.

Mikey Chang won't be anyway because he's dead.

"About Nuts"


Me:"What do you call nuts on a wall?"

Moe: Walnuts..

Me: "Ding..Ding..Ding..Give this man a cee-gar."

Me:"What do you call nuts on your chest?"

Moe: Chestnuts!

Me: "Right again, Moe."

Me: "What do you call nuts on your chin?"

Moe: " I don't know, Chin-nuts?"

Me: "Nah, a Dick in your mouth Biatch!


*Moe thinks to himself*... "Dam, he figured me all out."



Sorry for the trolling!


Come on, who loves ya Kid!

What do you call your nuts?

Acorn nuts.

What do I call mine?

Coconuts.

What do I love?

Cashew nuts.

Seems like something that could have been mob related

On a side note...Rocco was the grandson of Harry Riccobene

this is what scott had to say about the rocco maniscalco hit in 2010

Rocco Maniscalco (June 10, 2010) – South Philly auto bodyshop owner, reputed drug dealer and bookie was shot to death as he walked home after leaving a local bar down the block from his rowhouse where he had just watched a playoff hockey game, possibly killed for repeatedly rebuffing mafia shakedown attempts. FBI files indicate that imprisoned then-consigliere George (Georgie Boy) Borgesi had sent strong-arms to squeeze Maniscalco and extort money from his gambling and narcotics businesses in the months leading up to his slaying. Maniscalco, 38, was the grandson of legendary Philadelphia mobster Harry (the Hunchback) Riccobene.







its hard to know it could have been mob related it could have also been drug related. I personally think it had nothing to do with the mob why kill someone you are trying to shake down it makes no sense

they'll probably be the first family to videotape a hit and post it on social media

Thanks that's all helpful... Isn't that the whole point of shakedowns? If you don't pay then you die (i.e. Frankie Flowers)? Or else why would people pay?

What GR is implying is that if you are trying to shake someone down and you kill them, you'll never receive any money from that person.

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-a...tml?printView=y

Good article from 2001 Philly Mob Trial

I've only seen Phil narducci mentioned as hating Chang and that guy, not heard anything about Frank

It seems like there is more written about Philly than any other family.

Thanks, Dante. Hope you had a nice Christmas, bud.

LOL. Is this the one who ended up beating the shit out of him?

Marty has to be the biggest joke in the Philly mob.

They are easily the most covered family by a local press.

New York has a population of 8.5 mil. Philadelphia has a population of 1.5 mil.

Yet there are more posters from Philly than there are from NY.

The mob gets f*** all coverage in the NY press yet seems to get year round coverage in Philly press.

And for what? They have no pedigree.

More recent war? More flamboyant gangsters?

I think the purpose of killing somebody who doesn't pay is to scare the next person who is extorted into paying.(thinking they might get killed because the last person didn't pay and look what happened to them.

But that might scare people into the arms of the Feds.

It's a delicate balance.

They want to keep these guys under their thumb.

I think more might go the Feds now than in the past. Agreed on the delicate balance.
I guess if they want to continue your illegal business I guess that person has a choice.

What is interesting to me is how many people are interested in Philly, and actually seem more interested in Philly than NY. Philly is such a mess compared to NY. Even the Colombos destroy them on every level.

Merlino's suit would be the exact suit from The Mask with Jim Carey if it were yellow!

Phil & Frank aren't even on speaking terms supposedly. And maybe that's why. Its been known Phil & Frank haven't gotten along for quite some time. Thats why it's always suspected, and you hear of four Scarfo era factions. Two of them are supposedly headed by Frank and Phil. Frank is supposedly the one more "mob-connected". Phil considers himself independent.

They are a VERY interesting family. The more I learn about them the more I want to know. They really are a unique breed in Philly.

The Philly fam is so popular because of all the publicity they've caused. From Bruno's murder to multiple mob wars to Scarfo intentionally having people killed in public to the flashiness/high profile of Scarfo and Merlino and they are still one of the most active Mafia families in the country. Plus all the guys are so intertwined you'd think the family's history was a novel.

Yea I totally agree Ted, even as someone thats from outside Philly thats basically why they fascinate me..altho their dysfunction and lack of secrecy is sometimes comical..its like other than Ligambi and maybe 3 or 4 others theyve learned nothing from the past and the fact that its supposed to be a SECRET Society

on this board they are popular but they are never on the news or papers here anymore at all here in philly...the links posted here, yeah back in those days they were huge cuz joey was all over loving the spotlight

That's just a national trend. The Mafia isn't covered that much anywhere compared to the past. However, until very recently David S and George A were still all over these guys. Their 2011-13 trial was also extensively covered by the press.

Philly is not covered much by the local media here anymore either. Back in the 90s the local news and newspapers seemed to do a new story every week on Merlino, he was the most popular celebrity in the city. The trial in 2000 was a media circus everyday but once Ligambi took over it all went away, the 2 trials with Ligambi got no coverage at all aside from a few stories with Borgesi's family. The whole Merlino crew are all out now but despite them all over facebook they aren't covered like before. Perhaps because they are older and not the young hip guys like they were in the 90s, still surprising to me since news seems to be all celebrity gossip these days and these and their associates still seem to be living it up.

A very reliable source on the Real Deal Forum just posted that Phil Narducci and Johnny Chang's feud has reached an all time high and that there will be violence soon. Poster stated that Phil Narducci has the entire 10th and O crew behind him ready and willing to shoot 100% loyal to Narducci. Also said that Borgesi has been talking shit about 10th and O and he's hated by them as well...

The Ligambi trial was being covered everyday on sites like BigTrial.net. Don't know how you can say they got no coverage at all. The Nicky Skins tapes were being used in articles. Damn near everything about that trial was covered by Philly media.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

With the amount of attention Philly media gives these mutts is it any wonder guys are attracted to that kind of lifestyle?

I wonder if this circus could start getting bloody

10th and orgeon are hardcore gangsters they don't scare from anyone

Thats somewhat the gist of it . He confirms that Steve doesn't take Narducci seriously, because Phil is basically alone on an Island with the 10th & Oregon guys, and nobody whos truly LCN will back him. And that the Philly LCN top brass are taking Johns side. Except the issue of him hanging out with Mariutti & Maria Testa, he says guys like Steve and Georgie Boy can't understand it. He said either someone is going to end up getting pinched or things MAY get somewhat physical. He also says that the Philly LCN never learn from there mistakes, so it's not known if things will actually reach the point of a "war". He says other Scarfo guys like Joe Pung respect Mazzone to a degree and will associate with him and Joey Merlino by extension. But that they really arent fond of Joey. Phil was one of those guys at one point, but after the whole Garbarino/Baldino situation, things got hot. Steve is now talking down on everyone affiliated with Narducci. Georgie Boy has entered the picture because he too is disrespecting Phil and the 10th & O guys. As he and the Philly LCN administration feel that like his brother, Frank, Phil should fall in line. Frank Narducci came home and basically "went with the flow". Phil on the other hand, called Merlino, Mazzone & Co, jokes basically, and said he didn't want anything to do with them. Thats really why they don't like Phil. The 10th & O guys are 100% behind Phil, because they look up to him. And Phil is putting them into the mood by basically shitting on the whole Philly Mob. Oh and lastly, Garbarino is threatening to break faces if anyone steps out of line with Phil. But he also says Phil really backed himself into a corner, because of his disrespect of the rules, pretty much the entire Philly Mob dislike him.


And everything Philly boy said was true.

what's the size of the 10th & 0 Crew these days?

Surely this is on course to be the most commented on & viewed thread for this section in the site's history?

You can't call testas sister a rat. The prosecutors called to the stand and asked her if people attended her brothers funeral. What's she gonna take the fifth. She grew up with all these people I'm guessing she's related to some of them. She was the bosses daughter. The rat label is way off base. IMO.

I agree 100% with Pmac, the code of the streets is that women and children can't/don't involved. She was basically called into court to talk about what she experienced after her brother was rubbed out

Pmac - Dante no doubt , but out of the guys mouths them selves they did have a problem with it and of course all there girl friends chimed in .

But that was all uncalled for of course .

Because she's the bosses daughter, that doesn't change the fact that she testified, in detail. And yes, she couldve taken the fifth had she actually wanted to, or just not shown up. They themselves referred to her as a rat, and she said a lot more than just answering if guys came to her brothers funeral, she testified about a lot more than "did they come to your brothers funeral or no?"...That whole, women and children are off limits is a myth. Debunked by the Luccheses, debunked by the 'Ndrangheta, and debunked by the Bruno-Scarfo family itself.

Online thought GA's website that's all. Remember the 2000 trial? That was on every local TV news everyday, Angelo Lutz who was out on bail was interviewed everyday before entering court and coming out after each day ended. The daily news dedicated a full page and sometimes 2 throughout. This past trial and eveb the retrial of Ligambi and Borgesi very rarely made local news let alone being one of the lead stories like the Merlino and crew was.

Listen I know the story 100%. I go to Stogie Joes and hear the talk and know all the players. Whoever hands these guys money that is who they are friends with. No loyalty or honor left. They hate Narducci because he has no time for them at all and he knows what they are about. All jealousy. Pung is another guy who stays to himself and they hate him because he hangs around Nicky Whip which they all say is a rat. Now I hear Marty A wants no part of them either. I guess there numbers are plummetting now. So now they will have to recruit more misfits to take these guys spots.

I wonder why frank narducci followed those guys and philip did not

Philip is a hard core gangster looks like leonettis prediction that philip is a real gangster is right I can see him and the 10th getting violent with the Philly mob wonder who Frank narducci would back. Also George is with Steve. I can see things getting violent and would the Philly mob win? I mean they don't have that many shooters any more Dom grande and few others and the 10th and oregon they are full of killers them vs the Philly mob. I can imagine guys like borgesi taking part in hits when they are in there 50s

Phil Leonetti said that Phil Narducci was the one to watch and the real gangster in that city and in the same paragraph said he always though that Frank Narducci Jr was always just "along for the ride". That would explain Frank's complacency in falling in line upon his release.

How is Stogie Joes? I'm going to find myself in South Philly in a few weeks and was thinking of trying it out? How is the food? The atmosphere?

Yo Philly mob is stronger then ever. There is alot more to it then the guys you read about. Anybody that fucks with these guys is crazy there is hundreds of young guys in area that want to be involved and are ready to kill to get there name out there. I know about 100 personally and some are sharper then ypu think. When Staino gets out the power will be sky high. The jealous people will say different but we all know how that is. If your not a hardcore gangster be fucking careful

A. I am not surprised. Look at the amount of traction they get on this website. B. Find it perverse; it's 2015.

Lol. Watch out guys!

if your not a hardcore gangster be fucking careful


"I know 100 personally"

onfirms you are a bullshitter

"jealous people will say different"

what the fuck is wrong with you I don't know or ever heard of anyone who is jealous of the mob

hundreds of people in the philly mob ready to kill I don't know where people get this from. There is just over 30 made guys left in the entire family not hundreds of young guys ready to kill there is not that recruitment pool anymore. Plus most mob guys don't want violence anymore

its why I stand by what I said earlier that the 10th and Oregon would give that family a run for its money your forgetting how violent these guys no one wants confrontation with them they beat up the underboss marty angelini a few years back no one did anything ligambi asked for a apology a fucking apology in scarfos day they would have never dared and even if they were dumb enough they would have been whacked


face the facts people this is a family in decline I think if the feds can bring In a couple of big indictments that will be the end of these guys

People expecting a war in 2015, over scraps?

Stogie Joe's is coincidently the same building that the former main Scarfo mob clubhouse occupied back in the 80s on Camac and Moore (the same one Nicky Crow always talked about and hung out at in his book Blood & Honor). Obviously, the former pluming supply store turned mob clubhouse is now renovated and serves as the location for Stogie Joe's but it got me wondering whether there was still some sort of connection and/or ownership that is mob connected still after Phillyguy mentioned that they all seem to hang out there? Anyone know anything about this potential connection?

Correction there is thousands of wannabes trying to get connected in area not hundreds. 100 is ballpark figure. We all know some. When I speak of Philly I am including 10th and Oregon if you feel they are a separte group then would have to disagree. Also the Casinos are still mobbed up as fuck but those guys keep a low profile. Construction is still mobbed up too. Shit there is hundreds of lawyers running around area that are gangsters too the list goes on and on. Still a good amount of mobster cops too. Just because Ron Previte didnt get a chance to meet them doesnt mean they dont exist

I tend to agree with Italy here. I've got a few reasons to believe that they have their hands in some unions and construction and I know that there's one made guy who is a lawyer down there. I also agree that there are a ton of young guys who aspire to be connected/associated/potentially a part of or made into the organization. I also think that while 10th & O are probably tough guys and loyal to Phil and Garbs I don't think that their numbers, resources, and strength is comparable to the Philly Mob and I think yeah the 10th & O guys would go head to head with the mob guys any day and wouldn't think twice about going out and shooting if Phil/Garbs told them to, but I don't think that necessarily means that the Philly Mob guys could make their match let alone squash them out.

10th and Oregon is the Philly Mob how it is structured who the fuck knows or cares

italy100 is fucking delusional and a true fan boy. The fact that PHL_Mob agrees with him is worrying.

Unions, construction, casino's, cops They're basically a gambling operation with small loans.

We will agree to disagree that is ok. That is a serious name you are using that is for sure. Cheers

Everyone just have a look at italy100 early posts on the forum, he's a troll.

Yes I am a troll Mr Gambino good observation. Definetely not a real life gangster but have seen a couple around mostly in Casinos and would never cross that line and dabble with those "GUYS" the consequences are to severe

I agree with tommy gambino gambling and loansharking and poker machines that's it

If there is any sort of violence it won't be over money it will be over jealousy and hatred philip narducci and the 10th and orgeon if they get into any sort of violence with the mob it will.be over hatred not money in fact this whole incident I have not heard the $ once




Also to say the 10th and orgeon are the same as the Philly mob is completely false. They have been beefing with then since the beginning of there existence and not only that there a gang not a mob. The turras ran it for awhile and they hated the mob never wanted anything to do with rocco turra was a street legend stayed away louie turra and anthony turra were plotting to kill joey merlino.

They are all mafioso no doubt about it

italy100 is right, there are 100s of people affiliated with them. For you people not in South Philly it would be hard for you to understand that it's more like a small town community rather than a city. The Philly LCN has many of hanger ons that work 9-5 jobs and do just a little bit on the side just to be a part of the lifestyle. Aside from Steve Mazzone, Johnny Chang and Mike Lancelotti the rest of the mob guys are always seen out around here with a group of guys, many have their own social clubs and you can find them often at Stoggie Joe's which seems to be their place.

Yeah I'm not agreeing with everything Italy is saying Tommy. I was just piggy backing off of his comment (whether Italy is being serious or not I don't know) and saying that the Philly mob is in fact stronger than many know and have way more people "with" them then any chart or list has. Believe it or not there's much more secrecy than you'd know. Many made guys that no one has ever heard of on here and you won't find anything on Philly.com or any news archives, etc. And yes, as controversial or hard to believe as it might be, I truly do feel as though they have a degree of involvement in unions and construction. I don't know about corrupt cops, but that's just because I personally don't have anything to back that claim so I'm here nor there on that one.

Is Stogie's owned by someone connected or in the family? It's an open restaurant so obviously not really a clubhouse or whatever but seems to be a meeting place from what I've seen personally as well as on here from others. That pic I posted of Chickie Chang yesterday was right outside of Stogie Joe's. Also as I mentioned above, it used to be the building where the Scarfo Mob had their de-facto headquarters, which was referred to by Nicky Crow as the Camac & Moore Clubhouse. Anyone else have any info on Stogie Joe's? It's peaked my interest a bit. Also, where's this bar that Stevie and Georgie are opening going to be if anyone knows or has any relevant info on that? Finally, does anyone know where any of these active hangouts/clubhouses/social clubs are nowadays? Besides the Broadway Theatrical Club and Jesters hangout? I know there's another one right off of Broad on Bigler and then there's also another on or around 17th & Snyder that looks like it could be? Any input or info would be great!

I don't think guys like Ciancaglini, Mazzone, Lancellotti and Merlino have the stomach for violence anymore.

I dunno... just a feeling from looking at their social media stuff. Like they have grown too accustomed to the good life.

These guys probably have hangers on and saps who part fund their lifestyles; just like Merlino.

Please, reliable Philly guys over on RD, claim the Philly LCN is a mess. These are reliable posters whose been around on these forums for years and personally know a couple of these guys. 10th & O IS NOT LCN and you lost all believability with that comment. 10th & O guys have been beefing with made members of Bruno-Scarfo Mob since the beginning of it's existence. They aren't some Philly LCN hanger one. You don't have to be from Philly to know that.


And having a bunch of hanger ons doesn't make you viable or powerful. You just said it, they have guys affiliated with them who work regular 9 to 5 jobs and do minor shit on the side, just to belong. Now how many of those "thousands" of guys are capable of killing someone and then not ratting out his superiors and friends ?

And they also don't have any union or construction infiltration. This was confirmed by recent articles by George A and Scott. Borgesi loans and is a book maker for various union and construction workers, IN HIS AREA. Thats it. How you can jump to a conclusion like they have their hands in construction and unions, is questionable.

And the Camac & Moore joint, wasn't Scarfo mobs HQ. It was Nicky Crows and Charlie Whites Clubhouse. Chucky Merlino also had a place on Camac & Moore and Tommy Del & Faffy had one direct ly around the corner. Scarfo mob HQ was Scarf Inc, in Atlantic City. Nicky nor Phil met guys on Camac & Moore, guys went to AC to meet with them. AC was Scarfo mob HQ.

Ive lived 12 blocks from there my whole life and cant name one"Tent and O" crew since Genie Wilson and The Hendri's..people on here talk as if they are the Sixth fuckin family lmao

Nicky whip did rat right? cant remember, thought was the brother?

wow, Marty back away from them too? geez that says alot about them these days hahah

Nicky Whip didn't rat. It was his brother, the one who died a while back. Unless he testified in a situation I don't know of. Yeah, it was his brother, Eugene aka Gino. He even testified against Nicky Whip.

Anybody know Scarfo's grandson? Heard the guy is a serious high roller and has been seen in AC occasionally. Always with a big crowd too guy is kind of scary

get outta here, please..there are some relatives in my local but they sure as hell aint got anything in the unions...just stop...do they get relatives in apprenticeships? yes, do the relatives work steady, some do, yes...do they control them or got hands in them, no cmon man its 2016...and 1000 guys in the area, dude south philly is a shit hole and its about 35% white now, i live here LMFAO

I LIVE HERE my whole life, and your dreaming man, or stuck in 1984..small town community, its fuckin ghetto...my hood is somewhat decent, then u have little fucking asia/vietnam, from 4th too like 12th from south too oregon, and then what from 9th - 13th is not even italian anymore...

there was one person who was "made" in my local and he got booted out for his stealing and shit, and he never did a thing about it, so what power do they have in unions? i can tell u stories my man

Everbody is in the suburbs cuz you know that

I typed construction not unions someone else typed unions alot of guys own or work construction union or not

The Philly family is hardly even a family anymore. It's become an absolute joke. If you think those guys still control unions or have any say in what's going on with the casinos in AC then you need a lobotomy. The Ligambi case (which took 12 years to build) should've told you everything you needed to know about the sad state of Philly. Even their own boss doesn't wanna live there anymore, let alone meet with these clowns. We are living in an era where people are posting on internet forums about who hates who, and how everything is about to go haywire. Two weeks later, they will repeat the same story, only this time it's really on!

LMAO. Everyone is in the suburbs. So they're recruits basically consist of guys who never had to work for shit a day in there lives? Not saying that's the all that's in the suburbs. But the children whom usually live in those places, are reaping the benefits of their parents hard work. What you're saying is, there aren't any typical blue collar guys who have even walked real streets around these made guys?


And Lol! @ Scarfos grandson. Whose Scarfos grandson? Who's his father? Chris? The one who changed his name and moved far away from his dad and brothers because he wanted nothing to do with that life and hated those guys? Is it Mark? The kid was brain dead , and I dont believe he had any children. Or is it Nicky Jr? Whom pretty much all of those in charge of Philly LCN nowadays hates and by extension, it would be extremely unlikely for them to deal with his kid. Scarfo had no daughters, so whose this "high roller grandson"? Or does he even exist?

I don't understand why people think there isn't any money to be made. From one article:
The defense has argued that the machines are "nickel and dime" propositions and scoffed at the idea that Ligambi and his associates were lining their pockets with profits. But some law enforcement experts have said that machines in good locations can generate profits of $500 to $1,000-a-week.

Remember these guys had over 90 of these machines. $500X52 weeksX90 machines=$2,340,000 a year (minus the vendor's cut). Didn't that one gambling bust in 2007 take in $60 million in bets in over a year? That's at least $3,000,000 in profit. Add loan sharking, extortion and minor drug trafficking and these guys are pulling in more money the most.

Scarfo has a grandson that hangs out in AC and is a high roller. Not sure his name didnt ask him but it is true sorry if it gets you mad never said he was mobbed up

Who's his father. Which one of Scarfos sons? And the "always has a lot of guys around him", isn't implying that he's some mob associated heavyweight ? Lol. Sorry man, but reliable Philly posters are debunking your claims.

I think what the poster on RD could also be implying that the Philly Mob is an absolutely mess because of the factions and what sounds to me like petty bickering among many of the higher ups. Secondly, the Scott article about Borgesi hanging with Union guys is not what I meant. I'm not sure what union you're in SOPhilly but there's more than one and I believe that there's potentially some influence in at least two of the locals. Yes, not like Scarfo controlling local 54 or the roofers in the 80s. 100% agree and I wouldn't even call it controlling them just simply influence and they work together on stuff via their own construction firms etc. I'm not saying this is written in stone I just have reason to believe through some things I've seen, relationships I've observed and things I've found out via research so I'm not making a baseless claim, but simply coming to a hypothesis based on reasonable indications. Third, suburbs are mostly Delco. Delco isn't that far from the same kind of place South Philly is. Not talking the Main Line suburbs. Most of these Delco people and Washington Township people are south philly Italians who have family in the old neighborhood but want to get out of the hood... Slight step up but again not the Main Line or Chester County, etc. Finally, Nicky Whip most definitely did NOt rat. He served his 25 years in the can and even told his brother Gino, who did rat, to fuck himself when he tried to make a deal for him before testifying. He's back out on the street and I heard at first upon his release that the guys were skeptical about him especially Ligambi, but he seems to be back in the fold and associates with everyone and has lined up behind Joe Punge.

Most likely Chris' son if there's any truth to any of this. Mark obviously didn't have any kids and Nicky I think only has two young kids who were born in the 2000's so can't be more than 10-15 years old tops. Chris is the oldest and thus would have the oldest children and I believe he has done pretty well for himself in the real estate and insurance businesses around the Atlantic City area.

@Sinatra: Gino Milano died recently? I didn't know that... Not that it really matters, but I wonder what happened because he would be in his mid-50s/early 60s tops if he were around today so must have been some sort of disease or illness?

No, they're saying Philly is a mess because they aren't respected anymore. Thats exactly what was said. It isnt guys petty bickering, they simply aren't respected. Guys are talking down on them and have no fear of them whatsoever, because according those reliable sources, the Philly mob is a shell of itself. Underbosses being the best friends of informants and going on vacations together. A kid like Baldino having Johnny Chang side with him, over the real gangster. And again, according to those reliable sources, the Baldino kid DID do wrong, and deserves everything hes getting from Narducci. Former made men, backing away and opting to do their own thing.

Thats why theyre saying Philly is a mess. And the Scott and George A article may not have been what you meant. But thats the only two articles that mentioned a made member having anything to do with construction and unions. And you even said yourself on the last page that you have no proof to back up this claim of yours, so how can you assume they have their hands in construction and unions? Not saying there's no merit in what you say, I'm just legit wondering how you reached that conclusion.

And I remember hearing Gino died a few years ago. I could be mistaken though, as I'm not finding anything that confirms it.

Looks like the one who just got arrested recently dont know much about him but he does exist unless people are lying. High roller

Who just got arrested recently? There hasn't been any Philly guys recently arrested, except for Frank Narducci.

Stogies is Passyunk and Moore, was the old hang out where the kitchen is now located or the yoga place?

Yes, the Camac & Moore clubhouse was the one that Crow and Charlie White hung out at. Chucky Merlino's place was down the street a few blocks and was a completely difference clubhouse/building on Sartain & Moore Streets. And yeah the Scarfo HQ was obviously in AC, I meant the de-facto HQ in Philly for the Scarfo guys that were in Philly was Camac & Moore, which is now Stogie Joe's.

The scarfo that was in the paper maybe it was couple years ago looks like him maybe his kid someone said he has a yacht ask around

No not the yoga place, but the yoga place is across the street on the same side of the street as the building/former clubhouse's entrance, which was on the corner of Camac & Moore and is now the back side of Stogies and is now the kitchen and kitchen/back entrance. The front of Stogies is on Passyunk Avenue and now the front entrance of that building/restaurant post-recent renovations.

Scarfo Jr was arrested years ago. He was sentenced in AC about a year ago to 30 years for a white collar extortion scheme. HE had a yacht, which was named "Priceless". And you're saying it looks like him, yet Nicky Jr has no adult children. Perhaps Nicky Jr IS who youre talking about.

Unless he got out not him another one looks like him

Yea, okay.

My mistake your right probably was JR. you seem to know your shit so will go with what you say. Didnt come from a reliable source

I don't know anything..I just know a lot of that sounds like Jr. Scarfo. He lived in AC, according to law, was richer than most wise guys from his area and day, owned a yacht. And had a crew of wannabes who wanted to be around him. Thats all I'm saying.

Chris Jr and Michael Ferry. Are one of these the grandkids you're talking about? They both appear to be legitimate, Michael has a linkedin account, which promotes him and his brothers rehab business, which they just started last year. Chris Jr, is said to be active in his fathers insurance business down in Florida, where his father mostly stays, and the Jersey shore. I asked around, no one can confirm either guys "high roller" status though. And Chris Jr does kind of look like Nicky Jr. My apologies.

No wasnt them never heard of them this was another guy and I was fed bad info. Never heard or seen the two you are talking about and my quess is they are straight as a arrow. No need to apologize all in fun

Gino Milano died? Didnt he just testify in the first Ligambi trial i thought? I could be wrong..

He was scheduled to. I dont think he ever did. And like I said before, I could be wrong on the death aspect.

Oh yea didn't read that until after I posted. I'm gonna look into it a little more and if I find confirmation that hes dead ill post what i find

"Chris Scarfo Jr., 27, of Lower Alloways Creek, was arrested and charged with loitering with the intent to
commit a controlled dangerous substance offense. He was served with a summons complaint and released
pending a court appearance."

http://www.salemcountyprosecutor.org/wp-content/uploads/News/2007/20071003.pdf?600bc9

Same Chris Scarfo?

Probably not, because they're last name isn't Scarfo, it's Ferry. Could be though, I'm hearing now that Chris distancing himself from his father may have been exaggerated.

Chris Scarfo never left the area, he has always been around AC, south jersey and south philly.

Eugene Milano isn't dead. And, he has been around philly a hell of a lot more than anyone thinks. He and his brother have a relationship.

That's why they are probably accusing him of being a rat. I know ligambi said the whip was a rat because he was hanging around with his brother.

I understand why the whip hangs around with him it is his brother rat or no rat

That was the story people said on here a few years ago about Milano, Ligambi wouldn't welcome him back because he was still in contact with his brother, I don't understand it though, didn't his brother rat on him? I doubt Punge would associate with him if that was true though.

Dom Grande did the right thing and refused to speak to his dad, I'm sure the whole family didnt speak to him after he ratted?

Surely blood family means more than crime family.

Dom Grande is a moron.

Gino testified against his brother. When he made the deal it included the whip but Nicky refused to accept it and join his brother in the program the whip wouldn't rat. I don't find it hard to believe they are brothers and I don't think the whip was annoyed I don't think he was angry as time went on. Remember when this went down guys like the whip and gino were very young in there 20a

Gino was never loyal to LCN he was loyal to testa and when testa got killed he not happy. Joey pung prob understands why the whip speaks with his brother plus joey pung was close to the whip and gino they were very friendly.

Joe grande and Dom grande did refuse to speak to Wayne after he flipped I don't agree with that.Tony scadfi is another one I don't think was annoyed when his brother flipped

It is his brother family is family

The Scafidis pretty much disowned Horse head after he flipped. At least that's what was commonly said on these forums a few years ago. Same for the Grandes.

Theyre all second and third generation wise guys. Its hard to believe that they wouldn't be affected by family members turning states or federal witnesses.

I agree with Ted. Think there's plenty of money to be made down there its a huge city. Loansharking extortion gambling all the types high stakes games. Do they run the strip clubs like they do around new england? Putting there trash dumpster at restaurants and clubs. All the scams they do all over the east coast. The NYC families had there claws in the unions since the beginning of time that's why it's so hard for them to clean them up. I bet they have a snow plow racket to. Like the philly guy who had all the car contracts with the city I'm sure someone took his spot. Bet people still putting their crumply 1 dollar bills into them machines at the bars. There gonna have a vote on who replaces chip Kelly on new years eve.

You think that if you want to.

I agree with you. It is usually the same people saying over and over there is nothing there, there is no money.

You can give them examples like you did...you can quote figures, it doesn't matter...apparently they dont need to back up their claims.

Some of the guys were into real estate on top of what you were talking about. Years back Nicodemos operations in AC were pulling in a nice income,

And Of course those machines are profitable.

As far as fighting over the rackets, lucrative or not...wiseguys are always trying to get over and sneak someones racket...make more money.

Now, if you are comparing what they make to NY...well obviously not the type of money they bring it, but its apples and oranges

The size of the area is huge ! The income in these areas is huge !
They operate from Delaware to New York state line the Poconos to Pittsburgh to Maryland .

They have been operating in the same places for years . Yes when Nickywent away lots of connections were broken and Skinny did not know the Business side of it , it took years and years of meeting old and new connections to go the family.

I am not saying they are killing it , but they are making money ... And if you don't think so step on one of there rackets and test the water. Then let us know ...

And yes Pmac they do operate in the strip clubs and everything attached . They are in AC and Nick jr had one here before he was pinched , it was on the same block as one that was connected to Philly .

Nobody is denying that there's money out there. But when you have made guys being captured on wiretaps, threatening to kill someone over 500 bucks, it doesn't exactly paint the picture of them raking in the dough. And that Borgata bust, there hasn't been one remotely like it since. Is this not proof that things aren't all well and that they aren't earning like they used to.

What people are denying, however, including me, is the union and construction infiltration. However, I'm waiting and hoping for someone to prove me wrong on that. Or at least bring up valid information that would cause me to reconsider it as a possibility.

That was just one gambling ring though. Look at Licata's north Jersey crew. He's been running gambling and loan sharking operations up there uninterrupted (except the 2011 indictment, which he beat) for 20 years. There is also the Deleware County gambling operation that was run by Borgesi and now by Ciancaglini. According to Scott, Borgesi has already started up another gambling operation. Same with Phil Narducci.

People around this are can make pretty good money running a "small time" book making operation.

I work hard for my money. It would be nice to have a few runners to deal with, wear sweatpants and get up at fuck all time of day AND still make ) $50-$100k a year cash tax free. That translates to a damn good legitimate salary. Don't knock these guys and their "gambling".

It's illegal and it's not as innocent as you make it sound when it is intertwined with other illegal activities such as extortion, loansharking, assault, blackmail, conspiracy, tax evasion and murder.

They are either in the mafia or pay off the mafia.

Why should other people work hard, pay taxes and contribute to society in this case?

I'm just giving a "for instance" and demonstrate that one small operation can net that. Live in a $250k row home and have a union job where you work 6 months and volunteer for layoffs and collect unemployment through the winter and you're doing pretty good. Very common around here to have a job and a hustle.

As for wire taps and $500 bets, get 3-4 guys into you for only $500 and it starts to add up. Ask any hardworking guy or girl on here if they wouldn't want an extra $1-2000 a month tax free? Must be some well of people on this board.

They must have the parking lot racket to. Dumb shit like who can snow plow this lot or that one. Tow truck contracts. That like all the small shit that guys up around new England been doing for ever. No huge money but its steady and cash.

Its very common for people in NY to have a 9 to 5 while still having a little hustle on the side. Youre not introducing anything new or unheard of. $1-2,000, thats what the government pays some people on disability. Youre not exactly living large with that.



And I for sure am not what you call "well off". But its obvious these guys arent making the money they were in the 70s and 80s. Compared to those guys, a lot of these guys are brokesters. Your own local journalists say it all the time. And that's what we're saying, nobody is denying they might be making money, but it's chump change compared to what it used to be. I won't go far as to say it isnt enough to war over. As I don't doubt for a second a lot of these guys would kill for a bigger piece of that smaller pie.

You can compare old days to current situations and they were much better.

Consider the large difference of economy between here and nyc, where i think you said you are near or in. You most certainly can get a rowhouse On a good block for under $250k. If you're bringing home $3000 -$4000 a month legit l, which is what a union trade guy makes and grabbing an extra $1500 -$2000 cash a month you're paying your mortgage and living large. Nyc cost of living is much much different.

Thats true.

Nicky is correct. It is all about economies of scale. Leonetti said in his book that when his uncle did that one bid he put away 3 mil for him in a little over a year. Some guys in New York were probably making that a month but in Philly that's a shit ton of money, especially back then. I live in Philly (well South Jeresey now) and New Yorkers are buying properties up like crazy in the city because it is so much more affordable. My one buddy who still lives in NY calls it the 6th bourough. I have a lot of friends in south philly and there is real money to be made by a guy who would want to hustle, maybe not NY money but not bull shit money either

Happy to hear Philly is looked at as a good investment fo NY hope it is true got a little worried that Philly was going down hill. Dont spend much time in Philly hang out in AC but all four of grandparents came from Italy and settled in S.Philly. Now that there is casinos in Philly would like to move back

You are a little right !!! Someone is blowing it up ....

And Nicky son Chris did not Disown His father . He got away from the life . Chris found himself getting involved a little to much .and like many father son the banged heads . Chris had him self a good girl and A decent head on his shoulders and knew if he wanted any kind of life he had to change his name in order to get into business and make a life for himself .
He is involved in his fathers life and talks about the old days every time the boys are out having and good time .

That's right....Scoops has been an earner for years

I almost forgot about him. But he is quiet and low key so he is often overlooked

In Fresolones book, Scoops isn't painted in a great light. Maybe he's such a earner because he's so cheap. Lol...Fresolone claims he always had a problem kicking up and feigned being broke but always wanted what was owed to him. He caught a lucky break when Patty Specs died. At least according to Fresolone. Had it not been for that Specs probably would've had him killed. He wasn't very fond to Tony Piccolo either. He survived a war of attrition. And the way he shitted on the guys that Patty & Tony had made, was some asshole shit.

Oh, and here's some new info, which was probably what Phillyguy was referring to earlier on about the stuff with Johnny Chang. Apparently, a day or so after the Baldino kid gets sliced on the neck, he's in a diner with one of his buddies and Johnny Chang is there sitting at another table, but they're all pretty close to each other. Johnny Garbs walks in and walks up to the Baldino kid and says that what happened last night (the bottle incident) is over, and that if goes running his mouth to anybody, he's going to smash his face in and the face of anyone else who feels they want to get involved..Garbs then asks the kid who's with Baldino if he's with him, the kid says "well he's my friend", and Garbs says "well you're getting a beating too"...Mind you, Johnny Chang was in the vicinity the whole time and didn't do shit. The source says that the word is that Johnny Chang was once a helluva tough guy, but now he no longer has the stomach for violence. And that people outside of Philly LCN or on the fringes, really can't understand how an underboss, capo, soldier or whatever can go against a lifelong friend and made guy (Phil Narducci) and defend his jerkoff nephew. He says this is why current Philly LCN is a mess, nobody fears them. And the younger 10th & O guys, now have a more fearsome rep than Philly's Cosa Nostra family does.

Who in the Philly Mafia is considered a lifelong friend of Phil N? By all accounts Phil has hated all of them since Merlino took over.

So Punge is running the Scarfo crew, independent of the family? Didn't Merlino rob his mums house?

That's what they say !!

I don't know the politics between chang, narducci and the 10th and O guys...maybe theres some facts thats being left out but its bolony that the phil mob is scared of the 10th and O guys, you will know if its serious if merlino have to come back to philly or if chang pays merlino another visit in florida...if merlino gets involvled its a guanratee that heads will roll...and theres always young guys ready to make thier bones and will do what thier told

I think people just have to accept that mafia killings are never going to be ubiquitous anymore.

It's 2016. You can't piss on a phonebox without being captured by CCTV. The technology makes it too hard to make people go away or do a clean killing.

Merlino was in Philly yesterday for a New Years Eve celebration with the whole crew. And nobody is saying Philly LCN is afraid of 10th & O. They're saying that no one is afraid of Philly LCN.

And I doubt "heads will roll" because Joey is involved. "Heads weren't rolling" when he was actually active. Some of us tend to give Joey Merlino too much credit.


All of this is coming from reliable sources, guys who have been proven legit in the past. There's two of them on that forum. And they're both saying the same things in regards to the current landscape.

Yea it's not like they just blow people away in broad daylight during RICO trials anymore lol what?

Got a point there, Vegas. That actually did happen and it wasn't even that long ago. If someone had the balls to make that call, I'm sure it'd be done. But like whats being said, those in charge apparently dont have the stomach for that anymore.

Just because some rat says it in a book doesnt make it true...Scoops is wideley respected

Besides, lots of these guys cry broke so they dont have to kick up as much

its an age old trick

And who the fuck is this Garbs? I never heard of him before recently

10th an O leader? Anyone seen a picture of this guy?

What did you want chang to do get up in the middle of a diner and stab the guy ala Scarfo in the 80s?

Who knows, this Garbs could have problems down the line

Old gambling article on Garbs

Luck has run out for a regional sports-betting ring that once netted an average of $60,000 in illegal wagers per day, authorities said yesterday.

Seven men - five from South Jersey and two from South Philadelphia - were indicted Tuesday by a Mercer County grand jury on multiple counts of promoting gambling, said John Hagerty, a spokesman for the New Jersey Attorney General's Office.

Betting on sports other than horse racing is illegal in New Jersey.

The gambling operation was allegedly run out of a "wire room" in an auto-detailing shop in South Philadelphia, Hagerty said, and accepted wagers on any sporting event imaginable.

John B. Garbarino Jr., 35, of Franklinville, Gloucester County, was identified as the alleged leader of the ring. He set up the bookmaking operation in the 2800 block of South 28th Street in Philadelphia, Hagerty said.

Felix Ezzio, of the 1300 block of South 10th Street, Philadelphia, allegedly ran the day-to-day operations of the wire room, where wagers were fielded and tracked through a sophisticated network of telephone lines and code names.

The indictment states that the operation flourished between July and December 2003, taking individual sports wagers of as much as $1,000 and raking in more than $60,000 in bets daily.

On Dec. 18, state police detectives raided the wire room and several houses in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Authorities seized gambling books and records, betting slips, and $96,000 in cash.

Also charged in the indictment were Joseph "Frogs" Guiffre, 28, of Emily Street, Philadelphia, an alleged wire room employee and debt collector; Michael Knobbs, 32, of Clayton, Gloucester County, an alleged gambling agent, wire room employee, and gambling debt collector; Abraxas "Rex" Bragg, of Bridgeton, Cumberland County, an alleged New Jersey agent for the gambling operation; Mark Crecelius, 43, of Turnersville, Gloucester County, an alleged New Jersey agent for the gambling operation; and Antonio "Tone" Capetillo, of Glassboro, an alleged New Jersey agent for the gambling operation.

The case will be tried in Superior Court in Gloucester County.

Nobody is scared of the mafia in general anymore, its not just philly, you go to the bloods, crips or latin kings and tell them they have to pay taxes and watch what would happen.and a gangster is a gangster until the day they die, there's old men that will take your head off if you give them a reason to, and guys are probally already coming up missing you just won't hear about it until the next indictment...if garb is disrespecting made guys the way people says that he is something might happen down the line, violence is how you protect your business without that everybody would take your rackets from you

Exactly !!!

Big NYE pre mummers party, joey, uncle joe, wagners, grande, niccodemo wife,they get after it all night and this morning for the parade which is 2nd to none

thats what i said, ive lived down here my whole life, this thread makes tent and O sound like the purple gang from harlem back in the 70s and not one name besides "Garbs" havent heard a peep about 10 and O since Genie Wilson and the Henri's

Can somebody create a Wikipedia page on the 10th and O gang so people can begin using it as a reliable source?

Wikipedia isn't a reliable source though...Lets make this clear, nobody is calling 10th & O the Mayfield Road Mob. Although they too consisted of a few people, but had a lot of clout through the midwest, like Vegas. As far as I know, 10th & O is a drug crew and always have been...Not one name except for Garbs have you heard about. Yet this whole thing is mainly about Narducci & Garbarino. Since at least as early as 2014, reports have circulated that Narducci has some hanger ons who are 10th & O guys, who operate in his rackets. Thats not to say Narducci has an army behind him. But he has young men willing to die for him, who are around him. Simple as that, nothing more, nothing less. Thats it. Thats all thats being said, the few guys who around Narducci, mainly Garbarino, are punking known button men. Thats all there is to it.

Now theres some feeling going on around this forum, by SOME, I was guilty of it myself at one point, that Joey Merlino is some Michael Corleone and that Philly is quietly regrouping into the biggest, most money earning, toughest mob family on the East Coast. So it's understandable that some may not want to hear that they truly may just be a fractured bunch with a couple of guys loyal to the overall scheme and agenda of Cosa Nostra, and on the other hand, guys whom are old and young, who have their crews and just want to make money, be left alone , and dont give a shit as to what happens to Joey and his men.

And once a gangster always a gangster, is true, but then its not. Its a reason why you hear of some mob guys who are high ranking, doing the work themselves, because as wiretaps have proved, some of them actually do believe that a lack of action, makes them soft. I don't know about that. And while Joey was gangster in his life, he wasn't the only one. He lost a war against a real mob boss, and luckily came out on top in the end due to attrition. And we have yet to see if there are anymore Nicodemos left, or a guy like Grande is even willing to take a risk again of killing a guy.

I didn't say Scoops wasnt respected. I just said what Fresolone said, and here we go with this "he's a rat, he's lying". I don't know if he was lying, but I will say this, it's possible, very possible that at that point in time, Scoops wasn't that respected by the guys in his family. He wasn't made until '86 when most of the Scarfo guys were going away, he was suspected of being a snitch by some Jersey Genovese guys. And Specs pulled some strings and had him made anyway. There's evidence from Stanfa wiretaps that Piccolo nor Stanfa liked him very much. So you can't say Fresolone is lying as Scoops is one of the guys whom both Piccolo & Stanfa says had no stomach for the war or the worser things that come with mob life. So there's that.


He's an earner no doubt. But Fresolones claims aren't exactly "unfounded".

[quote=SinatraClub]Wikipedia isn't a reliable source though...

That Wikipedia comment was 100 % joke... everyone knows it's not reliable

The Boys??..R U 1of the boys???? hmmmm...By the way Serp,Happy new year,I bet your now not wearing t-shirts & shorts like last week down there!

I know it was, but if you're the same Delco guy from RD, that response was a joke too as I had included "...But you are right? Because, you know, "you're in the streets"?

That murmur parade or whatever it's called made the front page of every newspaper and tmz for that joke they made of Bruce Jenner. Guess you can't make jokes of anybody anymore.

I just left there about 40 mins ago. Seen both John Jr. And John Sr. and a 3rd younger guy I didn't recognize.

Photo on RD of what appears to be Joey Merlino, and maybe Ray Wags with Joe Ligambi at a NYE party. Wags in his black leather coat, so is some big dude next to him who's barely in the picture, looking like they're straight out of casting for the Sopranos.

I saw that pic too, Uncle Joe had on a sharp suit I must say

Can someone post here please?

Yup, Slim was in Philly for the Mummer's Parade. There are pics out there too.

Whoever took that pic should upgrade their phone.

That...and it is blurry cuz it looks like they were trying to sneak it real fast and take it without consent lmao

Haha makes sense. Looks like they're having fun.

Just sent you a PM blackjack.

Oh boy, are you with the FBI? lol

Haha yeah, Agent Harris here.

Wags looks badass

Wags looks like Bobby Baccalieri...

http://gangsterreport.com/skinny-joey-do...ragile-balance/

Scott's article on the Philly mob. Not much news more of a overview of the situation. It didn't mention the stabbing but did say tensions wwre rising with Johnny chang and Philip and that philip is no longer kicking up to Steve mazzone any sort of trbute which he apparently was earlier out of respect

I don'y know where people get their stories from. First of all I know Narducci and he has never kicked up any money to anybody and never would. The guy is no part of these guys and is doing all legitimate business out here. Please get your stories straight. Ask around on the streets of Philly and you will find out for yourselves.

Your saying narducci is a legit guy really come on I don't think he is with the mob he apparently kicked a little up to Steve awhile back out of respect for the guy because philip respected him. Your telling me you don't think philip doesn't have a book or shy going on is that what your telling me even though he spends all his time with the 10th and oregon. People who are knowledgablen about Philly I have read seem to have a different opinion not said he was ever part of Merlino and those guys but he is hardly a legit business man

That is not wags in that pic.

Def not wags ... You're right

That's Ligambi's son in that picture.

yeah the guy smoking is Uncle Joe's son Joseph Jr

Thanks for posting BJ.

I said maybe, It looked like him but I wasnt sure. Everyone else just sort of ran with it.


And as far as Phil being legitimate, the more I think about it, the more I think it may be possible. Listen, him having guys from 10th & Oregon around him doesn't mean much. Those guys could be legitimate too for all we've know. The fact is, all this stuff could be very personal as opposed to business related. What that means, and what it means when some guys say "Phil has young guys that will kill for him". All that means, is that some of these guys wont hesitate to go back to their criminal ways for something they feel is right. Again, I dont know, but it could be true as far as Phil being legit.

This thread is going to "Explode" in: 10,9,8,7,6,5.....

He's about as legit as Joey

. Yes !!!

Two new pictures posted on RD..One is of the Jesters Mummers crew, Merlino is in the picture with his Mummers Gear. And another picture from the NYE party. Turns out Ray Wags was there, hes in this photo, and theres a couple others I couldnt recognize.

[quote=SinatraClub] And another picture from the NYE party. Turns out Ray Wags was there, hes in this photo, and theres a couple others I couldnt recognize.[/quot.

Johnny Chang was there too. I also was sent a pic of merlino and Ligambi at the Jesters club

The New Year's Eve party was right across the street from Merlino's old home. As far as that gangster report article not only were both Wagner brothers where there, But also George and Anthony Borgesi and a few of the guys in their crew so it don't seem like Georgie Boy is as much on the outs as was stated.

@Sinatra and flaming: Can you post?

no problem

Just because someone comes to a big event like a NYE party together does not really mean someone isnt on the outs...its like that in the mob...two people or crews will have beef but be at a funeral together or something and still say hello and act cordial

apparently geogre and steve mazzone are friendly not everyone hates geogre. Its more marty and joey who are beefing with geogre. Narducci also hates borgesi

Yeah wasnt sure why people were saying Wags

This is Wags...

I dont get why people like describe pictures they have but wont share them like they are bragging...haha i saw it you didnt!

Might be some stuff here that wasnt seen there and vice versa

I think it should be okay to share pictures between forums if they have not been seen...we all like to share and talk about the mob

Unless of course someone had asked that they not be shared, then thats different.

Eho is the guy in the previous picture blackjack in the lower right hand corner?

Not really sure...maybe one of the Philly posters here knows

He was in a picture with joey in florida that somebody posted i believe

My thanks again BJ


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Great pics. Very interesting.



Lucky would be turning in his grave.

its anthony mazzone JR... anthony mazzones son

Is Anthony not involved in the life?

no he works at a car dealership

hes only like 23

I should have been more clear, I meant the father.

I wasn't trying to be a jerkoff. But I can't post any pics I get. I wish I could.

Donnie Brasco of the online mob world huh?

hopefully the bosses had a meet and nixed the order

Any pics of these guy's girls? Anyone sporting any hot young chicks?

Joey and Stevie get all the pussy.

Not hard to believe I guess. Any pics of their latest & greatest or any of the other guys latest ?

I have seen some pics in the rare photo thread but didn't know if they are recent or old and if they were wives or side pieces.

I heard before that he was on the fringes. Anthony Mazzone Sr might have been involved with small stuff back in the 90s but now it seems he is not involved at all.. Although i am not 100% sure he is not involved, I dont think he is..

Ive got some pics to share with everyone but cant post until tomorrow. Got some with merlino, chang, wags, nicodemo, Steve & sonny mazzone & Dom grande.. Will share tomorrow i promise!

I don't know how you gathered this information, or who exactly it is you're talking about, but you should stop assuming things... I for one, couldn't post the picture. I tried, but I don't know how to post pics on this forum. I also didn't have any pictures, I simply saw them elsewhere. Perhaps Flamingo kid had the same problem or didn't feel posting pictures he was sent.



Also, on a somewhat related note, all of the Scarfo guys who have come home, except for maybe Narducci, have been and still are kicking up to Stevie Mazzone. None of those guys are willing to risk going back to prison for a body or anything else for that matter, so a war is unlikely. And the Narducci/Baldino stuff is expected to blow over at some point. In the words of Christopher Moltasanti, unless it's defcom six, nothings happenin'.

These philly guys are great they really don't care about much besides themselves and having fun, salute them I can't wait to see more pcs and where the hell is a pic of Borgesi, he's really being old school !!

Borgesi being old school is like saying Linda Lovelace is a virgin! He is and will always be the most hated guy in Philly. All he does is starts trouble with everyone. He tried to have a Christmas party and about 3 people showed up. He's another punk that picks the weak people to go and bother. He would never mess with anybody who has a chance He constantly picks on the weak. What kind of gangster is that. The REAL old school guys are turning over in their graves about some of the punks out there now claiming to be LCN. The administration out there now coud not run a little league team. Keep up the good work Philly LCN

Lol, I wonder how Borgesi felt after that turn out.

Wasn't Dom Grande part of the 10th and O crew a few years back? DiPena too?

DiPena had been with Nicodemo for the past twenty years

HandsomeStevie, where are those pics at bro??

this guy seems to be knowledgeable about the mob but you have to be careful as he is biased towards the narduccis constantly defending for example them both being legit which other knowledable posters contradict them not saying he is lying or is bullshitting about that and most of what he is saying and don't blame him but it is not hard to tell he is friendly with the narduccis so he will be telling things from there point of view you always need to look at things from both sides before making a opinion. There has been some things he has said that have been contradicted by others in the past so I do take things he says with interest but not as facts Just my point of view people might disagree

Actually as far as RD & Black Hand goes. The reliable guys aren't denying that Narducci may be legit,they're not saying he's completely clean either. Only on here is supposed knowledgeable guys saying he isn't. But if he isn't, what could he possibly be in? I don't believe he's into drugs. He may just be doing some shy and bookmaking and the club thing, which is completely legit by the way.

What I meant by old school is he isn't in any of these pics that are all over the Internet, and I don't k ow any of these guys but if he does pick in the weak like u said I have 0 respect, but for what Borgesi has been through and never ratted does seem old school to me, plus he's not running to the FBI like Bent Finger Lou did just cause he is beefing with his old friends, which I don't even believe to be true...but tell me more phillyGuy about them, I am intrested. Thanks

I def do not think Narducci is legit. Probably has some money on the street and getting money through interests in the club maybe?

Also, I thought he owned Phillips Steaks?

I think there was a picture of the Baldinos outside Phillips steaks on one of their facebook pages

@HandsomeStevie:

Talk to me goose...

Paging Handsome...

Actually he sold his share of the steak joint to his sister and her sons one of which is Joe who we are talking about and is supposedly at odds with Phil.

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Isn't that Joey Chang, back centre?

Also is that Mousey's kid. Mike Massimino? If so is he involved?

Have Merlino and Mazzone been in the same photo since Merlino's release? Mazzone always seems to be with his brother and Grande.

Mikey Emma is Mousie's nephew I believe

If you're referring to the first photo Johnny Chang is top left wearing glasses and the guy in the top center who is also wearing glasses is his brother in law

Ahh, silly me, they look blood related or is it just me, maybe just the glasses

This was back in 2009 between Mikey Emma and Joseph Baldino at the Melrose (not sure who the other group was though):

A feud between two groups of Melrose Diner patrons early Friday resulted in injuries and two arrests.

Michael Emma and Joseph Baldino, both 24 and from the 1300 block of Geary Street, were charged with two counts each of conspiracy, possession of an instrument of crime, simple assault, recklessly endangering another person and conspiracy to commit aggravated assault.

The victim who suffered a forking received a large scrape to his back, while the another victim sustained contusions and cuts to his head. Neither required hospital treatment and police said they do not know what ignited the brawl.

The victims, a 24- and 25-year-old, were having a meal inside the establishment at 1501 Snyder Ave. when they became involved in a physical altercation with a group of about four other men at another table. According to investigators, Baldino was spotted striking the younger victim in the head with a metal napkin dispenser, while Emma was seen stabbing the second victim in the back with a fork, Detective Danielle Tolliver of South Detectives said.

Mchael emma? thought his second name was massimino

Emma could be a middle name or maybe he took his wife name. It happens sometimes, but it's rare.



And is Joey Chang disowned by the rest of his family or something?

My bad guys I have been working so much the last couple days and never got to it. But looks like somebody else actually got some on the photos i was going to share. Also i was gonna black out the people that arent involved in the life and i didnt feel like doing it the last couple days. But I am off tomorrow & promise tomorrow when I wake up I will post whatever pics i still have that havent been shared yet.

And i know I have been slacking lately but hopefully tomorrow i can dig up some good shit and redeem myself lol

Anyone else think Mazzone's brother looks like the retard out of Of Mice and Men?

All good pal.



Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14uWPEYJT8s

A shootout is a fucking shootout!

Great scene that

Was in s philly this afternoon at corner of 11th and jackson its like a block north of 10th and wolf and it seems that this is the new hangout for the s philly guys, saw georgie and anthony borgesi hangingout outside and then about 10 other dudes cominga nd going and watching tv and just hanging out at this blacked out empty corner store, georgie was definitely the ringleader and he looked good, but if anyone in the area check it out 11th and jackson across from epiphany of our lord parish

Blacked out storefronts. Gotta love how Philly seems like they never came out of the 80s & 90s, in the terms of wiseguys and their ways.

Do these guys ever get pissed off when they see you loitering around their clubs and hangouts? lol.

It's not philly its george borgesi...he's a walking indictment

He's a part of the Philly family. Hes one of the guys who represent that aspect and time period of Philadelphia.

What is he doing that's so ridiculous? He's standing outside of his social club talking with his brother... Social clubs aren't bad as long as they don't do business in them... Look at John Gotti he's NYC

Who said what they were doing was ridiculous? I don't recall anyone saying that? The point of my post was I actually admire the fact they refuse to change with the times. And that blacked out social clubs are still a thing to Philly LCN guys. And the blacked out windows is a big implication that they may be doing business in there.

Or they're playing hide the sausage.

I was under the impression you guys were saying by him walking around and having a social club that they were being careless by saying they're a walking indictment and haven't learned from their mistakes or whatever? Maybe I misunderstood. Agree that Georgie has a temper and has done some stupid or questionable stuff and brought questionable people around but wouldn't say he's not capable or not legit...

This thread is hilarious.

Some guy is stalking a supposed wiseguy social club with a lot of comings and goings, parked across the street like a fed peering through blacked out windows? How exciting.

You can see them watching tv and all with blacked out windows? Or did Georgie Boy tell you?

Then Sinatra who must be in on the joke or perhaps trolling like this guy is saying some business is being conducted because of blacked out windows lol

For a place you cant even see in, you guys seem to have a good indication of what is going on lol

LMAO thanks for that

Chickie is looking good for his age.. Ha I've yet to see a photo of him without sunglasses. Things are permanently on his face... Debbie is looking fucking hot also. Anyone else think she's good looking???
Funny to in the bar pic with grande .. Someone got their blackberry burner on top of their iPhone

Well in the past it's been known that Georgie Borgesi likes playing hide the salami!!! There was talk that he got caught in bed with a guy. Maybe this is why the windows are blacked out?

Lol...are you serious?

I actually said "the blacked out windows is a big implication that they may be doing business in there."

Fact is, You yourself have zero clue what's going on in there. And blacked out windows, for mob social clubs. The past has proven that in most cases business was being discussed or held inside the social club itself. For example, The Triangle Club. A known meeting spot for various Cosa Nostra figures around the country and according to Leonetti, which I don't particularly believe, was a place where murders were committed. The Gemini Lounge, where multiple people were taken and murdered in an apartment right next door. Where payoffs were dropped off at, where guns were stored, where DeMeo met and discussed various going on's with their own rackets, informants, and court cases, with crooked cops. The Ravenite, which had two small windows not even big enough for an air conditioner unit, where for a fact business was discussed, Gotti met with his guys to give orders, accept his kick ups and were payoffs where dropped off to. Gregory Scarpa killed multiple people inside his social club, Wimpy Boys. The three capos murder went down in a social club. Mimi Scialo (?), killed in a social club. The list goes on.


And that's not to say any of that is going on inside Borgesi's spot. And I definitely am not saying Borgesi is killing people in there. But if you refuse to acknowledge history, in regards to mob social clubs, and just don't think it's a possibility that they might be discussing and conducting rackets in there, you're a fool. Or maybe you believe it's just a design choice.

Also is it not possible Mulberry just happened to see guys enter, in which they had to open an entrance door and caught a glimpse of guys watching TV inside? Something which commonly occurred when the cameras and reporters followed Gotti back to the Ravenite.

If the war don't start when faffy gets out it will never start, he might feel entitled the the big chair

Handsome stevie do u have any other pics from thr nye party not shared a already? If u do and can post thatd be appreciated buddy

Big fella Faffy was true to Scarf till the end . This will be interesting where he settles in with .(if at all)

faffy is very treacherous alot of balls a true scarfo gangster. He beefed on all of them testa chuckie even tommy del at the end

@Serp: Agreed- what do you think smart money says Faffy is going to do? Team up with Joe Punge? I wonder what his relationship is with Phil Narducci? Didn't he also get along with Joey? I specifically remember the story about him pulling Joey out of a potential Riccobene ambush at the hotel bar down by the stadiums during the Riccobene war and saved his life as a result. I also believe that Faffy's son, of the same name, was friends with and hung out with Joey in the 80s and 90s. All that could've just been because Chuckie was Underboss and Joey's dad at the time he saved him and what not, or maybe they were legit friends and actually got along. Thoughts?

Lets say just for shits and giggles he goes with merlino will would you put the guy, you already have 2 of every position...although he can send ligambi to florida to look after the rackets over there in a semi retirement capacity

UPDATE GUYS!!

So I was near Phillips steaks and I saw an Italian looking guy get into a Cadillac...and get this...it had TINTED WINDOWS!...

Obviously Narducci related...and most likely conducting serious mob business right in the Caddy with the blacked out windows.

You are welcome for the intel guys.

Hopefully that's sarcasm about the tinted windows(cause of the borgesi hangout post from the other day)cause for the 500th time Philip and his brother have nothing to do with the steak shop. Seems his sister and nephew burned both Narducci's and this is one of several reasons why they don't bother with them.

Faffy is nothing but a double crosser. He's another guy that will beef on his friend in a minute. He is known to be a double crosser. Joey Merlino hates his guts because of all he did to his father. So he will not be with Joey who he nicknamed the punk.

I call B.S. I've never heard of a gangster farting on his friends. Depending on the severity of such an act, that may get you whacked or shelved at the least.....

That's a good point and makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks!

he beefed on them to scarfo he would betray anyone. Cant be trusted he screwed over chuckie him and tommy del. He was chuckies guy and he fucked chuckie over.

If he goes back it wont be to the merlino mob

Nicky Crow and Leonetti attest to Faffys double crossing. He did it to Salvy, got in Nickys ear and began telling him how Salvy was going to break off and start his own family, and how he was selling drugs and was in an alliance with the blacks. And it was mostly bullshit. He did it to Nicky Crow and Charlie White, the same shit, luckily for some reason, Scarfo really was fond of the Crow and allowed him to be directly under him, instead of Tommy Del & Faffy. He did it to Chuckie Merlino and was telling Scarfo how all he did was stay in the house in bathrobes, drinking all day. Who knows where Faffy will stand when he comes home, but it probably won't be with Merlino & Co.

I got some recent pics of Dame cannalichio or however the fuck you spell it.. if people want to see them ill post them up..

also who is the younger guy in probably late 20s early 30s whos name is frank narducci??? whos son is he?

crazy too like someone else on here said ive seen a bunch of pics with chang and other made guys/ relatives of made guys hanging around mariutti or whatever. the guy who was getting the housing authority kick backs and who testified..
really strange I thought philly wouldn't be caught dead doing that considering theyre a pretty violent bunch and have had a decent amount of hits in the 2000s

I walked by here real early the other morning and was surprised to see people inside there, I didn't get a good look, but glimpsed some table and chairs. I thought the place was still empty.

Dsbaloo love to see recent pics of Dame if u can post em buddy

Hes odd looking in some of the other pics he looks jacked and then tiny ass legs

Joe is a good kid. Him and Frank own Hairs to You and Joe owns a piece of TMT Pharmacy. He is a good kid with a beautiful wife and kids. None of yous know nothing about him or nothing so shut your mouths. Yous gonna go after a good kid bc of they parents? Frank too. He is really good people so fuck all
of yous.

ok..just read this old reel for the first time..still waiting for phil narducci and garbs to ride down passyunk with cowboy hats and a horse and start firing away...wow, what a bunch of bullshit was on this thread 3 years ago, insanity...10th and 0 was looked upon like the world chapter of the hells angels by some guys..there were like 10000000 inaccuracies posted.. funny stuff with a half hour to kill at the doctors

Ignoring the fact that some 10 and O guys join lcn, if a war were to happen, how would they know who to trust.

I think all of the Merlino haters should stand up and give him a slow clap...he has righted the ship and philly lcn is back on the map, the longest reigning don tody, facts!

When Merlino was released from parole people on here said he better stay in Florida because if he comes back to Philly he will be killed...I guess they didn't kill him fast enough for one person's liking and he said to me the funniest line ever that I will never forget "wait until faffy come home"! 😂

Yup, bf, not saying anyone should clap, but people called it wrong..I think somewhere in this real someone said faffy and joey hated each other too, haha, nope..then they lump all these guys together, phil, whip, grande, pung...like it’s a fantasy wiseguys draft or something

Looks like Phil Narducci was pumping a ton of iron all those years away at college:

https://www.facebook.com/626587127687564/videos/197544550948156/

Wow!!!!

looks like they fell inline. or reached out and said im retired i just did a quarter century, those guys just did there time if they want to be left alone let em. but ive got to think 1 of those scarfo guys is active. like wants to be a capo and politic up and down the east coast with other mob guys. read somewhere in the mid 80tys some guys went in a hotel to kill a young merlino and the guy faffy saved his life somehow. i doubt you forget that ever. one head scratcher is when merlino at the xmis party at pats in the bronx he says to the genovese guys this is the boss in philly lancelotti. is he just saying im in florida and hes in charge of philly day to day or is he the boss and merlinos just introducing him to the guys in the bronx cause that old school protocol. like when scafo introduce testa to some of the nyc bosses cause they didnt know him as well as scarfo who new the nyc bosses real good cause of the a.c. casino connection.

Yeah some Riccobene guys cornered Joey in the Holiday Inn bar by the Stadiums where there was a popular sports bar there and they had him, but Faffy had someone run out and get a gun and bring it back to him and he basically told the Riccobene guys that they (Faffy & Joey) were either leaving unhurt, or they were all going to die - and Faffy left with Joey alive and saved his life. I'd agree that Joey probably remembers that day. Just another one of Joey's nine lives....

Regarding, Mikey Lance in NYC. I think Joey said this is main guy in Philly (i.e. This is my Street Boss since I'm in Florida). Sounds like he's grooming Dom Grande for an eventual Admin spot considering he's quick elevation to Capo and Joey bringing Dom with he and Lance to meet the NY guys....

The name of that sports bar at the Holiday Inn was called Legends. The NJ State Trooper who ran the gambling operation that supposedly kicked up to Staino that was busted under “Operation Slap Shot” back in 2006 worked there prior to being a state trooper in Jersey and that’s where he allegedly became friendly with Tocchet and the South Philly LCN Guys....

https://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases07/pr20070803a.html

This is a brilliant story is there any more on this out there?

think merlino is getting sentenced today sept 21.

Funny how the Feds stole every lotto and the cash and then the business in the Italian community . Then they go after bookmakers and put them in jail steal there cash and then fine them and then the government decides they can be bookmakers and steal the cash and the business.

Does anyone else think this way ....I see them all as racketeers but worse when hiding behind a office.

Merlino's sentence date was pushed back to the 17th of next month

It's sad what thier doing to him because it means they can take the rights from anyone of us, there's evidence that clears his name but they still won't release him. Like Joey the clown, he got convicted because somebody said his voice sounds like the voice they heard on the phone some 20+ years ago

Forget that video...I scrolled around & caught the pics of skinny's daughter on the beach & the other one..whoa..I didn't know he produced such good looking offspring..I mean she is smokin...that's as far as i'll go w/that.

Skinny’s youngest daughter is dating a professional baseball player...

https://packerparkliving.com/tag/south-philly-packer-park/

An listing from a few years ago showing some of Joeys former South Philly home.

Interesting page. It says that joe Baldino is believed to be the person who smashed out Dom Grande’s windows. Is there any evidence of this?

Yep !

Isn't he the same one that got into an altercation with narducci?

If asking me I don’t know cos actually it was told to me and he used “Baldino” only and I did not elaborate with with asking first name.

Pretty sure there is a couple young Baldinos around S.P. other then Joe- Frank.


I never ask anything after someone speaks about that shit I always feel like I am being tested it’s always been like that never want to have a guy think you are looking ! !