Great 90s In-Depth Article on Tanglewood Boys

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/2527/

Thanks, but this has been discussed quite a few times.

Wonder where that kid is today. He certainly didn't get his book deal.

Just put Tanglewood into the search feature. I've posted about the inaccuracies in that article ad nauseam over the years.

Book deal? Now that's funny. They were nobodies with no familial connections to the life. Only geographical. Yet the fucking Goverment let Nick slide on killing at least one drug dealer. The guy was Black, he was a career criminal, and the Feds didn't give a shit, so it was never mentioned. But a lot of people knew about it. That's the fucking Government for you.

\besides some of the inaccuracies PB mentioned a good article about this outta control group of wanna be hoodlums, who were often out of the element when around real gangsters weather wise guys or other gangsters

I just posted about Hippys recent release in the other thread. I've always wondered why he got his button with the Genovese when his father in law was Jerry. Anyway, hopefully he learned his lesson and stays home this time.

As far as I know Hippy's still in a halfway house. He's "working" at the funeral home on Westchester under the el. Don't matter. He's on the shit list in Pelham/New Rochelle for going off half cocked. Not that fucking Darin didn't deserve it. But you have to clear channels first. He'll be doing penance for awhile.

Jesus, still? Didn't he serve a ton of time?

Hence, why you don't go off half-cocked. Good guy, though. Fearless.

always wondered about the name "hippy".. always thought it was strange. anyone have any insight on that?
also this guy obviously wasn't afraid to do work seems like a pretty ruthless guy.. he was a relatively young guy and was under ralphie.. was he an earner? just always wondered how he got his button young with the westside..especially since he seemed a little out of control.. like shooting darin spur of the moment.. that's just something that seems like you don't do when youre with the westside, not without approval

I heard hes home, home not in a halfway house not that it matters, hes not in prison any more lol

That's why I said "last I heard." I also heard that they kept him local. Not sure if it's New York, though. But it's close enough for him to go to "work."

He is still only in his late 40s so yes he is relatively young and he was also very wild before he went away.

For example: he hated Enzo The Baker, who was also his brother-in-law, so much that it forced Jerry Mancuso (who was the father-in-law to both of them) to push for Enzo The Baker to get his button with the Bonannos because he was worried that Hippy would go after him and the Gambino books were closed at the time. Jerry took heat for this and was actually shelved for a short period of time until Wahoo went downtown and helped get his button back.

Yeah? Tell us more...

I don't trust any new accounts with "Bronx knowledge"... Obvious trolls targeting PB until they prove otherwise....

Everything so far that onthefly has said has been pretty spot on

Agree Vknicks.

That's why I said he "proved" himself by mentioning Jerry, Wahoo's lesser known brother. He got offended at my choice of words. But then I explained our troll problem here. Like the scumbag who wished my Father dead on Thanksgiving.

I read that article before.

Mazzarella, flawed though he undoubtedly is, is an intriguing person to listen to.

Wonder what he is up to now.

More crime. He and Nick both. They lied about Anthony, whose conviction was overturned as a result. And the Feds let Nick skate on a murder that no one knew or cared about. Darin was a violent nobody who fell in with a few people because he went to Roosevelt. He had no family in the life and no one to school him. Not only were people killed by these brothers. People were killed as a result of their actions.

That was so wrong. What can possess someone to say such a thing! That's just poor evil! I feel bad that you had to read that nonsense PB. Wishing only the best for your Dad, you and your famiy during this Holiday Season.

Thanks, Beans. But like I said, I knew he'd get bounced. We all know who it was anyway. He must be desperate because the Judge in his case just allowed DNA evidence that was initially thrown out. I won't post it. Because he calls his attorney every time his name is posted, and I don't want to give SC or Geoff any grief. But the minute he's convicted, it's public record. Then I'll post the history of the case everywhere.

PB, is it the guy who hacked your e-mail/account? The one you tried to help out a few times, but it didn't quite work out?

Yes. His trial was put off AGAIN because the DNA evidence was put back into evidence. This lowlife must have left sweat on the rope he tied that poor old lady up with. And they treat people who prey on the elderly almost as bad as they treat rapists and pedophiles in prison. He should should slowly start stretching his asshole now. Ping pong ball. Then a tennis ball. And ultimately a soft ball. Or Bubba will tear him a new one. Better safe than sorry.

slight correction sir, the dna was from the stocking he used to cover his face when they committed the planned home invasion robbery where that poor old lady ended up shot in the leg! either way, that's great news about it being allowed, as that seemed to be the main thing his lawyer had been focusing on over the last 8 years. his goose is now officially cooked!

this song seems appropriate for the next couple of months!

Thank you, Gentlemen. And as far as me being a "troll" and targeting PB, just know that I have no interest in Internet beef or cyber bullying. It is the activity of a trash pale and I'm sure that anyone who grew up around real street guys can attest.

I'm sorry, OTF.

I was drinking. My mistake.

As the great Winston Wolf once said, "let's not start sucking each others dicks quite yet".

You're a funny guy Moe!

pizza or onthefly who would you say was the craziest guy to come out of the bronx and who was the toughest guy

I know I am not from the Bronx and the toughest guy to come from my neck of the woods was the guy who drank his own piss to win a bet, but allow me throw in my two cents here.

It is subjective. Everyone will say the toughest guy is someone different.

Yeah, it's a dick measuring thing and it's all subjective anyway. He's seventy now. But in his prime I'd go with Patsy. Hands like catcher's mitts. A black belt in Judo twenty years before the martial arts became mainstream in New York. Zero fear. For lack of a better word, an animal. And I use that term respectfully.

And Tanglewood wasn't a gang in the traditional sense. There was no structure, and they didn't have the numbers. But out of those kids, and he wasn't always around them. But Al A. was a true tough guy. And they ALL feared him.

Is DeSimmone out and active?

patsy looks like a tough mother fucker

PB, Was Al A.an associate of the Luccheses or Gambinos? And he liked knives right?

The Cuban guy, yeah. But he didn't need those knives. Tough motherfucker.

Damn, I wish I knew what you were talking about, lol.

the cuban guy he was busted with greg depalma and those guys in 2005 i think he is with the luchesese AL ALVAREZ i think was his name was

All good MH, hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving.

I agree with PB, Patsy was one tough cookie. Buster was another tough guy. And I am not sure how old PB is but I'm an 80's baby so he may have more knowledge on the golden days of The Bronx than myself although I have been around some very serious guys in my lifetime.

I do not mean to constantly mention his name but since you asked, I will give you my opinion now that he is gone and I choose to only speak on my own personal experiences therefore I have to say that Wahoo was as tough of a guy that I have ever come across.

Smart too. He lived to be 77 years old and If it wasn't for that rat Walter then he wouldn't have spent a day of his life behind bars and that says a lot for someone who did as many hits as he did.

I personally know a few that the media and books blamed other people for and were completely wrong but those are stories for another day if I choose to share.

Ultimately, he died of a stroke but he had more than one stroke in his lifetime and survived all of them until that last one that did him in, in 2009. He actually lost a lung due to one of the strokes that he survived.

Lastly, I will never forget the time that I was riding along with him and my father back in the 90s, nonchalantly listening to them speak as he turned to my father and said (to keep it brief) "I'm not just a wise guy, I'm a tough guy". Well he sure was.

Very tough. And none of the younger guys would ever mess with him.

He's definitely not in the program anymore...

Yeah, that is taking things way too far. Ball breaking and joking around with each other is one thing, picking on family members is another.

I'm 56, ONF. I grew up at 187th and Hoffman, and we now split our time between Throggs Neck and Delray Beach, Florida. So my feet are still in the neighborhood quite a bit.

No argument on Wahoo. A tough guy and a gentleman both. I don't know if you remember T.V. Sharp bookmaker. His office was following the Kosher Kids and he was laying off into the Islands long before the fucking Internet. Well, either Jamesy or Artie made a 20k mistake in my favor during baseball season one year. Baseball's slow season. Not even a moron makes a mistake like that during the fucking summer when you're just happy to break even.

This was like 25 years ago. I was already in my early 30's, and I took it like they were testing me. I went to the place on Morris Park Avenue. Il G******* and I blew my top. It could've turned into something but it didn't.

Anyway, Wahoo had a longtime friendship with my friend (even though we were from across the street). He told me I was right for being upset. But that neither he nor T.V. were aware of it. And that I'd be within my rights to keep it. I declined. He smiled, gave me a bear hug that I can still feel when it's damp, and gave me the usual "If you ever need anything...."

I never cashed in on that favor. I had my own friends anyway. But that man showed me A LOT that night.

Do you remember the other Al? His father had the place on Central? He was no joke, either. He came within an inch of knocking Willie out. But the tide turned on that one.

He wasn't quite in that leaague. But other than the other Al, no one in Tanglewood could go toe toe with him. He swung like and ape. Hit like one, too.

I grew up in Throggs Neck with family roots from both 116th and Pleasant in Harlem and Parkchester in The Bronx back when they were both Italian filled neighborhoods.

I'm not sure who T.V. is but I knew Sonny (the old man) who was bookmaking under Jerry in his and Wahoos old club under the L near Steves toy store (what a rip off that guy was) before they split up into their own seperate clubs after that little argument they had over the loan but thats another story.

Anyway, my educated guess would be that it was absolutely a test. And to this day I believe that I was also tested by him when he asked me to pick up an envelop and bring it back to him. The envelop wasn't sealed and had every kind of bill there is from hundreds to loose singles in it. Long story short, when I gave it to him, he counted it, smiled and told me to go give it to his "brudder" lol. That guy is legend.

Lol.. yeah the place was a mexican joint after that... now its vacant i think. ... not on that level. (W.M.) but certainly way above most peoples... really strong guy...

By the way, do you remember Rudy Green Eyes? I believe he was from around that area. Great guy.

No family in Parkchester to speak of, although I certainly know the area. Remember Danny Squire and his office at The Riddler's?

Re East Harlem. Same here, on my Dad's side. My grandparents lived at 325 Pleasant for something like fifty years. When they got here, they lived downtown on Baxter for a year or two. Then up to Pleasant for the rest of their lives. My Dad's 86 and still on the Giglio board. But you won't find him on the website lol. Anyway, my Mom's side settled in the Bronx and Yonkers. When they got married, that's when they moved to Belmont. But my grandparents lived well into the '80s, so I was on Pleasant Avenue constantly. My Dad and I had lunch at Andy's almost every Friday for more than twenty years.

Small world.

You mean Rudy S or the Rudy that was around Joe Sass?

Danny L? Ive seen him around but I don't know him personally. Very small world pal

Yes, I believe Rudy S, he was around Arthur Ave all the time.

Pizza, OTF, Bronx and others....at least leave us a glossary in ur will when u pass so that we can decipher all this one day LOL. Lot of great knowledge passing right before our eyes.

Didn't Rudy S have a club upstairs of a building on Webster Avenue by 238th st in the Bronx?

No, Beans. Rudy's club was right on Arthur Avenue (hence, the name "Club Arthur"). Rudy rarely left the neighborhood.

Are you talking about the place by the old Federico's? (Now, that's a dated reference ).

Anyway, if that's the club you mean, it belonged to the Luccheses. It was run by various members of the old Mikey Salerno crew. Hope that helps, buddy .

speaking of those guys you have to throw in several of those guys from that crew in to the mix for toughest guys in the bronx

lol, as usual spot on PB. Thank you

Yeah, but for awhile they were out of control violent, even by mob standards. That's why I laugh every time someone calls the guy in Tuckahoe "white collar." It's true enough today, but they didn't know him thirty years ago.

Do you remember his place on Bronx River Road? I recently posted this. But if they didn't know you, and you walked in there late on a Thursday night, you were taking your life in your hands. I'm embarrassed to say that I saw more than one "civilian" get his ass beat in that place. Of course, no one ever pressed charges. Thankfully, they all calmed down once they got into their forties and beyond.

yeah some of these guys were outta control violent, they were a rough group , and they had quite a few giys around who were not huge earners they were they incise work had to be done lol , are you Talking about the place that Started with a P on Bronx River road

Yes, like the opera.

Have Ron Perlman and Steven Crea ever been in the same place at the same time?

Don't really see the resemblance, Ron Perlman looks like a baboon..

Edit: In that one picture of Crea in his tux they kinda look alike I guess

pizza who was John "Johnny Hooks" Capra with in the 80s was he under mike?

i am interested in him as he was arrested with greg and those guys in 2005

wow you guys got the details of his case

Not that he doesn't deserve it.

No. By the time Hooks got made he was with Joey Dee.

And that '95 indictment was plain silly. Greg and his mouth notwithstanding. If you're interested in Hooks's early years, ask Ivy or one of the researchers to steer you towards one of those legal sites with the indictments and whatnot.

I haven't the foggiest idea, and they're probably pay sites anyway. But if you do go that route, you'll find that Johnny took a couple of big dope pinches as a young guy. That kept him from getting his button for awhile. Not that anyone gave a fuck, but they still did it for show back then. Today they'd make Pablo Escobar if he was half Italian.

Johnny Hooks Capra was arrested with Greg on the Falcone case on 2005 for extortion,

http://www.ipsn.org/indictments/squitieri_gambino/gambino_Squitieri_Indictment_pr.htm

Greg wasn't a very likeable guy in The Bronx. They say your mouth can be your best friend or your worst enemy, well Gregs was the latter.

I couldn't agree with you more PB. One day, leaving the dinner, there was a guy looking through Gregs car window. All Greg had to say was "F those c***suckers, let them write down my mileage". I feel like everyone was a CS to him

These brothers are probably living in Ny again there is no reason for them to be in WPP anymore.