Alite V Gotti Versions

Guys, I know a bit about both from various 2nd (possibly 3rd) hand sources, read all the books and the info on here as well. I know they are both basically scumbags, but since their fall out, Alite always seems to have come across a bit more honest about the situation and, in a way, regretful about his past - Gotti seems like he wants to give some ambiguous impression that you don't want to fuck with him still since he's a "mean dude" (not my opinion at all, just my observation).

What's your opinion of them now, based on what theyve both said after it all?

To help, heres a Gotti interview with his lawyer (I wouldnt trust either with even the steam off my piss by the way)

http://youtu.be/MIly1bArKh8

Heres Alite, I know its longer but you dont have to watch it all. Any person without knowledge of the situation would surely think Alite is more truthful?

http://youtu.be/0Gu9tJE4BD4

They're both violent men with drug dealing pasts. They've also both given information to Team America. You can't codemn one and praise the other (usually the Gotti supporters). Not when they're basically the same guy. My two cents.

I see Alite does talks with kids as well, surely he's the better man? You listen to him and it all sound genuine to me. Listen to Gotti and I get a feeling theres a bit more he's not letting on about

I totally understand your point though PB

At what point do we, as a society, offer redemption to a previously violent drug dealing man? In these to cases, if you were on the jury, what would you do?

i dont believe anything alite says but then again junior is a bullshitter

alite is scum and lies alot that i dont like. Junior is scum aswell and lies

this is a pointless because both are lying its impossible to know the truth so many things contradict what they both say

Two, not "to"...spellcheck mofo!

I disagree gangster...Ive listened to a few of his interviews and I think Alite is trying his best now. Im not interested really in what he might be lying about when it comes to previous crimes now, I trust law enforcement to have done that job. All we need to consider is the implications of him being in our society now, to me theres nothing that makes me worried

Gangster, think about it....when was the last time you felt the need and went to a school and try to help kids? Just saying

true he could being doing that for publicity though. I dont know really you cant forget what he did in the past and recently he got in trouble for threatening people over the internet ridiculous stuff i dont understand why he gets involved

same goes for junior though both did some real bad things

are you talking to me

Gangster, No! I think I had spelt "two"wrong but you posted just at the same time

Mofo in a sarcastic way to myself

ok understood

Alite is doing his best? Gotti jr isnt?
Every time Alite is interviewed he somehow has to mention jr gotti. Why ? Move on.
To me Alite was a much bigger rat, he actuallly took the stand amd testified. Gotti gave a proffer but went to trial and didnt cooperate to anywhere near the degree of Alite. In fact, when he didnt sign an agreement, he was sent to solitary and was stuck there a long time. Most men woukd have broke after 5 minutes of that. I really think Jr opted not to cooperate because of his children.
I know some of the guys i like on this board will disagree but i see Alite being much worse and his past crimes being much more sadistic in nature.
Alite also had a bunch of kids while not married and lost contact with, while Gotti jr took care of his kids from jump. I do see Alite now has a relationship, not judging him, just stating.
Alite could be a changed man and i give him credit if he did. That said, i think gotti is the lesser of the 2 evils.

agree

Agree Belmont.

Jnr gave a proffer. But he also rolled the dice facing life four times.

Alite couldn't play ball for Team A fast enough trial one.

I don't know how you can compare the two.
But I've said my piece before.

Hello Sonny..he talked before his first trial before he got bail,,think this.if found guilty..you really think he takes 20 plus after trying to flip. ? never..he would have been on his 20th trial testifying..my opinion..he said if i lose i flip..

A Joey Massino special. Allowing someone to flip after the fact set a terrible precedent. And that's a plausible scenario where Junior is concerned.

What makes it plausible is that Danny Marino and the Corozzos all believed it. And the poor guy just dropped dead, so I'll post it. So did Tony Megale. Plausible enough for them, plausible enough for me.

@bronx.
Maybe. But the guy did 10years and though sat for a proffer, decided to roll the dice four times.

Whether he was planning to flip if convicted who knows.

Same could be said of anybody. That they'll flip if convicted. Who knows.

Still think Alite's twice the scumbag. But that's just me.

PB: couldn't agree more letting fat Joey flip post conviction. Why would anyone do so beforehand now? But The Feds wanted a boss as a trophy. Hope it bites them in the ass.

Alite is no changed man. All that motivational speaker crap is a scam. If he was a changed man he would not be pushing a book full of lies. He contradicts himself in almost every interview.

JG minds his own business and takes care of his family. Alite is an insignificant insect to him.
And he's even said it-- in his book and interviews. The number one reason why he would never flip is his kids. To make his sons change their last names like the son of Mikey Scars?
JG wouldn't do that.

And Alite? Yea, he bitches and complains in every interview and to make himself 'relevant' he trashes the Gotti family.

He even put their name on the cover of his book instead of his own. JG's picture is bigger than his on it.

He got chased in 1991. Was involved only in minor drug dealing and home invasions, low level stuff after. He got sued for child support. He was no big multi-millionaire.

If he was a changed man he would admit in interviews how he testified in two separate trials to beating his wife and smacking around multiple women. The NY tabloids even wrote about it back then.

And then... GA ignored it for his book... and even wrote that Alite was there to comfort and defend a woman when she was abused... and presented him as "a good-bad-guy"...

Which was a lie.

Alite is no changed man. He's a super-rat.
A low level nobody who lied through his teeth and in desperation to convict JG rogue agents put him on the witness stand as 'the star witness' -- at the expense of the taxpayers -- where he lied through his teeth... and the jurors even said on television after that he had zero credibility.

Videos of it are on YouTube.

Yet GA propped him up in his book full of lies.
Alite is no changed man. Just a guy always complaining about the Gottis.

JG moved on a long time ago.

Alite should have too.

Alite got chased in 1991?

Then you better ask Junior why Alite was around Zef to help straighten things out whenever there was a problem with the Albanians in the Bronx. Especially after that kid got killed on Arthur Avenue. He was at Cafe Dion on Morris Park and Bronxdale with Zef all the time. That place is long gone now. But it was an Albanian place that played Italian music and catered to a mostly Italian crowd back then. Wahoo had a place just up the block. And prior to Scores, Alite was hanging out at Craig and Willie's strip joint on Boston and Conner whenever he was in the Bronx. Those were both post 1991, by the way. Maybe he and Junior fell out by then. But Alite was still running errands for at least SOME of the Gambinos post 1991. Fact.

I have no beef with you, buddy. I understand your position. And I wouldn't piss on John Alite to put out a fire. He's the scum of the earth, and when he was active he was a fucking nobody. His claim about being sent to retire Old Man Joe in Astoria was so ridiculous that it was worth the price of the book just for the comedy. I'm just saying, I can see that you're an educated white collar friend of the Gottis. And that's fine. But there are clearly things that you don't know. And that stuff may sell to people who've never laid eyes on a wiseguy in their lives. But not to people who grew up in that environment and knew some of the guys from that era. I'm older than both Junior and Alite by a few years. And I'm not even a Queens guy. I'm a Bronx guy with East Harlem roots, so I don't have a dog in this fight. I just try to keep things objective.

All that said, I wish Junior luck. I agree with Belmont that he's the lesser of two evils. I hope he sticks to his original plan and heads to Ocala. New York isn't the same anymore. He's in his fifties now. He should take his money and go live the quiet life. It's hard to believe. But he's now older than his father was when they pulled him out of the Ravenite for the last time. He should bear that in mind, count his blessings, and go enjoy the years that his father lost out on.

I'm going to ask JG about this. Interesting stuff, thanks for posting it.

From what I understand though, having spoken to people who knew Alite, and actually grew up with him-- about all that Albanian stuff-- back in the 80s he used to actually tell people that he was part-Italian, on his mother's side, to fit in. But, this long-running lie was exposed by Joe O'Kane in 1991, just before Alite was chased by JG.

Can you provide a time period on Alite's misadventures in The Bronx? Narrow down the date at all?

JG (and others) have told me that in 2003 just before Alite went "on the run" he showed up on property owned by JG where a tire shop was housed, looking for Johnny Ruggiero. Apparently Alite heard that the Gambinos were having problems with the Albanians in The Bronx, the Rudaj people, and Alite was trying to set a meeting with Ruggiero to discuss it.

NOTE-- this is the time period that Alite claims the Gottis/Gambinos wanted to kill him, part of the reason he says he went "on the run".

So, apparently, Alite showed up at this tire shop-- and again, this is backed by multiple parties, not just JG, who was in prison at the time-- looking to meet with Ruggiero. Who was not there, so, Alite passed a message to him through a third party who was that Alite could be of assistance with the Albanian "problem" and for Ruggiero to tell the alleged acting boss who Ruggiero was friends with, Arnold Squitieri, that Alite's cousin knew the Rudaj people and Alite was offering to find information on them, like, where they hung out, who their girlfriends were, etc, so, the Gambinos could kill them. Alite was trying to get back in their good graces, willing to be their spy.
Basically an informant against his beloved Albanians who he claims he is so loyal to.

But, his offer was quickly rebuffed by Ruggiero who did not trust him as by that point the Gambinos believed Alite was a longtime informant and wanted nothing to do with him.

This is also backed up by prison tapes made at Ray Brook in 2003 where JG is told that Alite was on his property and JG says he hasn't seen this Alite since 1991 and says not to let Alite anywhere near his property. Excerpts from this conversation, transcribed by the FBI are in JG's book.

From what I am told when Ruggiero rebuffed him, Alite then tried to approach Richard Gotti with the same offer but he didn't want anything to do with Alite either.

Again, this is Alite appearing at a tire shop where he believed friends of JG hung out, which, he most likely would not have done if he really believed they wanted to kill him. He would not have been trying to set meetings with them.

But again can you provide a time period when Alite was allegedly at these places? I would like to look into it. Also Alite was in prison between 96-99, during which the Scores indictment took place, so, what time period do you mean by "prior to Scores"?

If you can tell me where your info comes from (court documents, first hand, etc) I would like to know, even if in private message or email. Not trying to be aggressive or belligerent, just curious.

Also-- during the 2009 Gotti trial Alite testified under direct that he discussed the Albanian problem with Richard Gotti Sr., when Alite was trying to get transferred to the Lucchese group. He said he was trying to switch families but the Gottis wouldn't let him, part of the reason being that they had an Albanian problem and they thought Alite could be helpful with it. Alite said all this happened between 2000-2001, however, that Gotti had a sit down with Joe Defede over him during this time. That Defede, the former acting Lucchese boss wanted Alite to switch over to his people.

But this lie was exposed (the next day, I think) under cross by Charles Carnesi when he pointed out that Defede was in prison between 98-02 so the meeting could not have happened, especially since Defede went into Witness Protection in 02 before he was released.
Defede I think then actually testified against Richard Gotti in early 2003. Something Alite would have known if he really was the big shot he claims he was. But, not only was this meeting not possible, when Carnesi asked Alite if he even knew that Defede was in prison he said no, he thought he was in "the hospital".

I have read the transcripts and can provide the exact pages on this part of his testimony. His lies are so crazy.
Anastasia, surprisingly though, who claims to have read the same transcripts and says that they are why he believes John Alite's story is truthful, Anastasia didn't include this Defede nonsense in his book. He washed over it on page 198 with some cover-up, that he wanted to get transferred but the Gottis wouldn't release him so he tried to make the best of a bad situation and started using Ronnie Trucchio and Charles Carneglia as buffers with JG.

I do believe that he had some kind of secret relationship with Trucchio, though. Trucchio actually made Alite godfather to his daughter (which Alite never mentions) and from what I'm told he had a soft spot for Alite and used to talk to him on the sneak when he wasn't supposed to. Would secretly help him with problems if and when he could and Alite was full of them.

Part of the reason Trucchio got caught up in that Tampa indictment, which, from the evidence I've seen, he really had nothing to do with what was going on down there and got screwed over and caught a life sentence just because he would talk to Alite when he wasn't supposed to. The rats down there testified that Alite reported to Trucchio in New York. And Trucchio got life for it. On top of that he's also doing 20 years from a separate case.

Yet Alite has the gall to call Trucchio a rat. To say that Trucchio ratted him out. He's despicable. If either Trucchio or JG ratted Alite out he would have never have been released. He'd be the one doing life instead.

you have it right..he was not chased in 91

When I say 'chased' I mean that he was no longer under the flag of the Gambinos.

He was still a criminal. Still involved in scams and nonsense. Some people still spoke to him but he was no longer a Gambino associate. No longer had the backing and protection. I think Mikey Scars even mentioned in his debriefings that JG had chased some guy named Alite in 91, right after Gravano turned.

In the phone calls from Brazil where Alite spoke to Joseph Corozzo and his private investigator Larry Frost-- in recorded phone calls-- Alite described being scared of coming into Queens.

From what I understand from speaking to people who were around, Alite was a total asshole when he was under JG's flag from 89-91, flaunting it, doing crazy shit and dropping the John Gotti name all over the place, and when he got chased Alite was scared some of the people he pissed off were going to hurt him.

The following is a link to a transcript excerpt from the Brazil phone conversations where Alite describes being scared to come into Queens, during the same conversations that Alite now claims he learned his "bosses" in the Gambino family were ratting him out. During these same conversations Alite actually admits to himself being a longtime informant.

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If anyone here speaks to Alite please tell him he's welcome to comment on these transcripts at any time. He commented on other areas of that Facebook page, random comments, spewing venom, but, didn't go anywhere near these excerpts.

Thank you for explaining what chased means .

If he wasn't chased by the Gambinos post '91, then what was he doing with Zef after Tore had that problem in '93? Do you even know the events I'm talking about? And what was he doing at Pretty Woman after that?

Hi, I'm John Alite. The Gambinos chased me in '91. So, naturally, I started hanging around Tore's best friend. The one Albanian who was universally feared by the rest of them back then, and I became a regular at Greg DePalma's strip joint (which didn't even open until '92). Please.

Now, I know you're trying to write for a living and I respect that. You obviously had a hand in ghostwriting that book. But I can see from your web link pictures that you're still a young guy. So don't turn me into an Alite supporter. The guy's a scumbag and a lowlife. But those Brazil tapes are from years later and he was still doing things with Zef after '91. I went so far as to wish Junior well and I meant it. But he's either lying about, or ignorant to, the time frame.

Now I'm done. Unless you want to continue arguing with me about Morris Park, Arthur Avenue, Louie, Wahoo and Tore (who also stood tall like a man but walked away from the life without any silly publicity). Because if you get into the Bronx stuff with me you'll be completely out of your depth.

Good luck to you, too. I hope you do well with your writing career. And I mean that, too.

I know. But what's the sense?

Why argue with the blind who don't want to see? I'm done.

Didn't Phil Leonetti do the same?

True enough, Beans. I forgot about Leonetti. But you know I don't pay any attention to places outside my comfort zone. I developed a passing interest in Merlino for awhile because when we're in Florida he lives close by. That's about it.

All that business about Alite being chased is all nonsense. I agree that Alite is a liar and scum, but Junior is really no different. We got two self-obsessed rats who are both desperately trying to control the narrative. Their online beef is so embarrassing that I cringe every time I hear about it. I feel like I'm watching two roided up homosexuals going at it on Springer because one of them thinks he's bi.

Its highly plausible that Alite was hanging around Zef post 91 despite being chased out of Queens. Zef was a bronx guy and we all know shit gets done on the sneak all day long when there is money involved. Perhaps Zef and Tore used Alite and never told Jr. That would be likely.
My impression of the actual story is that Alite was chased from queens because the queens crew felt Alite was a loose cannon,not trust worthy, and eventually going to get arrested for some low life cowboy shit that may cause him to cooperate.
That said, the bronx guys knew Alite was albanian and could maybe use him on the sneak for certain things. Thats my impression although my good frind PB would know much more.
Alite does attempt to make it sound as though every LCN family in NYC and Philly were fighting over him in order to take full advantage of his criminal genious. Lol.. its absurd.

That's a plausible scenario, Belmont. You and I see eye to eye on just about everything. But there was more than one Gambino crew in the Bronx back then. Braciole, Greg, Wahoo, Tore was already acting. They all knew the guy was around.

How could Alite have been off the record when four skippers and God knows how many soldiers and associates knew? There would have been internal strife between the Bronx and Queens and we would have heard about it. Although, to be fair, fucking Greg sold Tore right down the river later on in the '90s. But that's neither here nor there.

And again, Alite's a fucking degenerate and violent piece of garbage. And I'll go so far as to say that Junior's version holds more water. But he's off about the time frame. It's been over twenty years. Maybe he's honestly confusing the years. But I remember them vividly because of the thing with Patsy Junior. I was on Arthur the morning it happened. I was at Gino's bullshitting with Hot Dog.

I didn't see it happen. But I saw the aftermath. Both that day, where I can still hear Riggy and his sister wailing. And later on that year, when it all came to a head. It was huge. Gambinos, Westside, an Albanian shooter with a rabbi. And Alite was part of it. Too many people were involved for it to have been a secret.

Come on man, don't pollute this forum your Gotti loving, bullshit.

I don't want to get your blood pressure up PB. But, you've alluded to a few things that have happened with Tore.

Is this all the same thing? I'm from philly help me out here. What the hell are you guys taking about? What happened? Or, can someone provide a link to a news story?

Just curious about this.

There was an article about Alite in a crime magazine over here in Holland called KOUD BLOED (Cold Blood)

It says in the article that when he was on the lam in Amsterdam that he was using coke quite a bit and in every interview Alite says he never used drugs..

That whole Twitter war between these two guys is pretty pathetic, it was also mentioned in the article and it made fun of the current state of the once mighty American mafia..

Here's our friend talking about Gotti Senior, Joe Watts, Frank Sinatra and John Riggi..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LahHblX0IfA&feature=youtu.be

Alite was around too many Gambinos. If he had truly been chased then that wouldn't have happened and we wouldn't even be arguing about this. He was very close to the Trucchios as well. And didn't the guy share a cell with Genie Gotti sometime in the late nineties? There's too many things that make me question Junior's tale. Not saying Junior is an all around liar, but he's not being totally truthful.

Not 'arguing' with you.
And no, I have no idea what you're referring to by the events of 93.
I'm not up to date on Alite's alleged activities in the Bronx so I'm asking questions because I'd like to know more.
You never said what time frame you meant by "prior to Scores."

I had no hand in writing JG's book.

I'll pm you, Nicky Whip. And then you can keep that dialogue open so you can pm me whenever you want. Because my pm is locked when other people make first contact.

pizza how many crews do the gambino family have in the bronx? has been it reduced over the years

The only real crew and presence the gambinos have in the Bronx and westchester is Louis ricco , he has been a huge presence since the year dot , he is in his 80s but is still considered a powerhouse, then u have what was the locascio crew . Think that's about it

their a couple of mooks who make a bunch of money telling fairy tales

Alite was around in Queens with John after 91,92,93+..especially in Howard Beach..

Correct. All I'm arguing is the time frame. Because I couldn't give a loose bowel movement about either of these guys.

No surveillance was presented of them together post-1991 at the Gotti trial.
If Alite was around him after 91 they would have presented pictures.
Also, Carnesi introduced into evidence a letter Alite wrote in 1993 trying to ingratiate himself with Gotti, saying that he missed him, etc.

Still didn't say what time period you were referring to by "prior to Scores".

92 through 95. Prior to Scores, they got their feet wet with Pretty Woman. A lower end topless joint here in the Bronx. Scores also led to Junior's falling out with Tore. Or didn't he mention that in the book?

I'm doing some last minute shopping for tomorrow. But I'll go more in depth later on from home.

Whether he was with Junior or not after '91 doesn't really matter. You said he was chased, and we're telling you that's bullshit. You do know what 'chased' means right?

I could still hear Lenny saying "Tell him to get under the table and suck on my prick"

Show me proof that he wasn't chased and I'll agree with you. All the evidence I've seen shows that Alite was no longer around after 91.

Still involved in crime? Yes.
But not under the Gambino flag.

As to strip club stuff in Bronx... I don't remember reading that in Alite's book. Seems like something he would have mentioned. Don't remember reading about that in trial transcripts or court documents either.

Show me proof and I'll agree that he wasn't chased but the evidence I've seen points in the other direction.

**Also: him not showing up on surveillance with JG after 1991 matters, a lot. JG was under constant surveillance through the 90s and even if they were no longer friends, they would have appeared on surveillance together somewhere.
Like: the funeral for JG's grandfather, Sr.'s father in 1992 which was packed with mobsters from across the city. Alite was not there.

First off, it's Thanksgiving. I have too much on my plate today to worry about providing proof. The burden of proof falls upon you because of your blind denial and the fact that, judging from your book links, you were still a kid when it all went down. But just keep in mind that right after Gotti and Frankie were sentenced, they went to great lengths to avoid surveillance.

However, being that you seem to be a genuinely nice guy, and my pal Dan asked me to give you a break awhile back, I will. You just have to do me one favor. Just ask Junior if he regrets throwing in with Greg and Craig, in favor of Tore and Richie. He'll know what I mean, even if he claims ignorance. If he can give me a simple "Yes, I regret that," you have my word that I'll never post about the subject matter again.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Isn't the goal to avoid surveillance and NOT be seen? There aren't many surveillance photo's of Junior Gotti post-91 anyways, other than those of him coming out of court, and those are press shots, not surveillance photos.

off topic but speaking of Morris Park, one of the DEA's favorite wiseguys( a joke) with the luccheses is coming home soon

How about that guy with the Genovese that went away for the shooting in Morris Park back in the 90s, he just came home. The Bronx is long gone from its golden days but the shadows are still occupied.

Yes he is also home im like 90 percent sure i know who u r talking about

pizza i have a question is Andrew "Andy Campo" Campos and richie martino still involved in the life because i have heard locasico is no longer involved but i was wondering about these two are they both no longer in the life

Halfway house. I posted particulars in the other thread.

Tore is OUT. By his own will. Richie's in the process. And Andy will eventually go the same route. Bet on it.

is the old lacasico crew finished then? is there just one crew left in the bronx?

No and no. But they're still number three in the Bronx. Although, they're still number two overall, and doing very well these days.

pizza the westside are in front of the lucheses right? and by how much are the westside ahead? lucheses have lot of top guys based in the bronx as do the westside so interested


i know the gambinos are doing well overall interesting to know they are doing ok in the bronx still

Yes the westside is ahead

The Bronx really seems like the "last borough" in a way. Not counting SI because they should just join Jersey and get it over with. I'm there a lot and I hate it, lol.

Then again, Jersey sucks too.

Just kidding! *ducks*

i thought there was still a big mob presnse in brooklyn with the gambinos and colombos

queens with the bonannos and the gambinos

though from what i hear your right it does seem the bronx is the last borough to hold on to its mob ties

Honestly, I wasn't talking about the Mob. I meant just the old white European neighborhoods and not as affected by gentrification.

In the Bronx the Westside and the Luccheses overlap and partner so much that they may as well be the same family. But overall, the Luccheses are still third.

The drop-off from the Westside to the Gambinos would be negligible if not for the waterfront and the laborers. But the drop-off from the Gambinos to the Luccheses is much greater. That's big-picture wise.

The Bronx is unique. Not too many rats here, either. Not a boast. Just a historical fact.

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
Although, there's no need to 'give me a break.' If you're not trolling and genuinely believe me to be wrong, please continue. If I'm wrong then I'd appreciate you or anyone else correcting me so I can be right. But-- I won't be convinced without proof. I'm sure you understand. And the proof I've seen points to Alite not being on record after 91, and, if he really had an interest in a strip club in the Bronx then why did he leave that out of his book? For sure he would have mentioned it.

I'm 30 and my age has nothing to do with it. Neither does yours. What would count is if you were in the life and have firsthand knowledge. I'm here under my own name and anyone can look me up, the same can't be said for you. No disrespect but you could be a teenager in Ohio, just one with an uncle in New York who tells him stories.

It's all good though, let's just agree to disagree for now. I have a lot on my plate also and need to focus. The Internet can be a huge distraction.

As for the other stuff-- I'll ask him. As long as he's not breaking confidences I don't see why he wouldn't answer. Whether the answer he gives is something to be put on the Internet is another question. I don't recall him talking about The Bronx in his book. His book focused more on his own trials more than anything else. He doesn't have absolution for his crimes and couldn't dive into the deep end with the street stuff even if he wanted to. The government would love to indict him again. They tried to flip more people against him, including his cousin, after his 4th mistrial even. They tried to put a whole new case on him.

One more thing-- No one calls him 'Junior.' That's like an insult. It's just John.

Happy Thanksgiving man. My best to you.

"No disrespect but you could be a teenager in Ohio, just one with an uncle in New York who tells him stories."
Now that doesn't make any sense.....everybody knows they have awful pizza in the Midwest

OK, I swore I wouldn't post here anymore but I've had more homeade than I probably should have. My old man always taught me before you make assumptions do your home work. if you took ten minutes to research who you are talking about then you would know he isn't an internet kid from Ohio as you put it. you re a cornball dick rider. wanna be writer. i know you don't have a real job cause if you did you wouldn't have time to put up these corny websites. you know who does things like that? internet kids from ohio.trust me my friend, you'd shit your pants you knew who you were talking to. ask junior

Yeah, anyone who has talked to PB and isn't a complete moron knows he is who he says he is. That's it...

And cheech, I hope you don't stick to your promise of not posting anymore. That would be a shame, man.

Chris Diaz knows this. He came on in 2013 to promote his "novel"about a gangster who does 6 years and comes back to Queens but doesnt want to return to crime even though his friends try to lure him.
When no one responded he followed it up with a whole new thread this time giving the book away for free.
See what happens when you do your homework. Right chris diaz? You lackey.

All the best to you MH.

No doubt. Hope up 95 a bit is treating you well

Disrespecting the most trusted, respected guy on this board isn't a smart thing to do when you're trying to promote your writing

For my two cents, I'm a cheech fan. His absence mirrors mine in limited posting these days on this board. Though he's more missed than yours.

And if it wasn't for PB. We both wouldn't even check in.

Hey PB, first and foremost, I hope that you had a very Happy Thanksgiving and I also salute you for all that you provide to this site.

I know that guys like Enzo, not "The Baker" but the other Enzo who was big in the doormans union (32B32J) back in the 80s and 90s, and was also in Wahoo and Jerrys crew moved upstate to Rockland but are guys like that even still operating these days or do they just hang it up once their capos and most of their crew is either dead or away?

If you're not willing to discuss him or anyone else that are still around than I completely understand but anything that you can provide is greatly appreciated. Salute.

Thank you, ONTHEFLY. In mentioning BOTH Mancusos, you just proved yourself to me. No offense, but we get a lot of banned members who continually sneak back here just to stalk and troll.

I'm exhausted, and I'm probably going to sleep after this short post. I'm sure you know that Wahoo passed away a few years ago. That a Jersey guy with close ties to the Sicilians absorbed part of that crew speaks volumes .

And a few of those 32B&J guys lucked out because they absorbed 32E, which is the Bronx/Westchester buildings local. But they also have most of the golf course workers in the private clubs from Westchester on up the line in New York. So if you had the right business agent or Rabbi, you could semi-retire upstate and work part-time as a golf course starter without going over your maximum allowable income. Full pension, lower cost of living, and a tit job telling golfers when to tee off. Nice work if you can get it.

Lol. Why waste your time? SC, please ban this account and his IP.

Sonny, I'll say the same thing I said to Cheech. Please don't leave. There are too many annoying posters here, lol.

Cheers MH. Youre a good guy, genuinely value your contributions.


@melanzana: best to take the cock out of your mouth before you speak, cant understand the stuttering.

I'm not quite sure what you meant by stating that I've "proved" myself to you but either way I am not a "troll". I respect your knowledge and I am just genuinely curious if you have any information more than myself on the state of the Gambinos in The Bronx since the skippers that we once knew of are no longer around.

As far as the Enzo that I've mentioned, he is not in the union anymore. He had a brother Michael who passed away in the late 90's an moved to Rockland in the mid 2000's but I am not sure if he is even still active as well as other guys from the few Gambino crews in the Bronx.

Lastly, I know that part of that crew was absorbed by Joe from Queens but did not know that a Jersey guy absorbed part as well. However, since areas of NJ and Rockland County are neighbors it does make sense and maybe that is were the power of that crew has located. Thank you for your input on that as well as the 32BJ situation. Take care.

Anytime, ONTHEFLY. And I decidedly said that you're not a troll. It was meant as a compliment. Just a couple of posts up some asshole attacked my sick, elderly father. Just to give you an example. But I won't respond. He'll be gone in a minute anyway. Welcome aboard .

He's gone.

Just to clarify-- I wasn't trying to insult anyone with the Ohio comment or make assumptions about anyone. Was just pointing out that I'm not an anonymous person on the Internet and someone can look me up. Same can't be said for anonymous users. You could be talking to just about anyone, good or bad.
And why would I shit my pants? Lol.
PS the offer still stands. Yes I wrote a novel 2.5 years ago and I'll send a free copy to anyone if they're willing to provide honest feedback.
I sent it two two people on here that I messaged with privately if I remember correct. One loved it and the l other I never heard back from. Perhaps he hated it.
I could care less. That's part of it. Ok now back to real life. To my real job... Writing, producing, which, yes I get paid for.
Happy Thanksgiving.

I apologize for misunderstanding your comment. Some people are just low lives and don't even deserve the time of day. They are probably some young wannabe neighborhood punks who couldn't even shine those brothers shoes, especially Wahoo. Tough son of a B lol. I wish nothing less than health and happiness for your father. Thanks for the welcome.

So I guess, we were sitting in my store JG & Alite bullshiting in 92 up to 93 didn't happen..lmfao. Like you said his name is John not junior. No one called him Junior.

Thank you.

Forget the fact that some people come here with a clear agenda. There are some people who refuse to believe anything if you can't provide a picture or a link. Well, you can't link a memory. These posters have the mindset that if the Feds didn't issue a press release, that it didn't happen.

Some people are so naive that they wouldn't believe a certified document if it was in front of their face. But if they were really around any wise guy(s) in their lifetime then they would know that asking for proof is almost the same as calling someone a liar and that is very disrespectfull to a man.

Anyway, I hope that you and every other genuinely nice human being on this site enjoyed their Thanksgiving yesterday. Salute.