The mob's most heinous crimes?

Whats the worst crime or mob story you have ever heard take place?

Portella Della Ginestra, Falcone, maybe Carlo Tresca, any kind of child porn (Demeo), Michele Sindonas banking empire, half the shit the corleonesi pulled lol...

One of the most long lasting things they've done in Italy, is illegally dumping toxic waste poisoning the soil and water. Who knows how many cancers they've given the people in those areas.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/euro...a-a-943630.html

Excellent point, forgot about that, it's a Casalesi racket I think...

William action Jackson

Dom, I haven't heard of William Action Jackson so I looked him up. What a way to go. Sounds like the worst torture ever inflicted on anyone. Sick fucks involved.

Here is a write up on the torture inflicted for others to see:

http://whackedonehundredyearsmurderand.blogspot.com/2012/07/jackson-william.html

They did the same type of thing here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringwood_Mines_landfill_site

the shooting of pete chidoes sister was bad


if we are taking about the mafia in italy well that could go on quite a awhile they have killed from little kids and women to judges politicians law enforcement

Yeah Patricia capozallo was a bad one , Mary Bari was another one that was really bad . Then there was the Barstow and kubecka killings , the list goes on and on

colombos who killed that nun in a hit gone wrong and the colomobos who killed that proscuters father carmine perisco ordered it from prison but the guys killed the wrong guy. Joe sodanos father you had that excop who was killed because he was fucking a mobsters exwife in the 90s

recently you that gambino soldier using a 15year old as a prostitute disgusting he was with danny m i think it was thomas something cant remember his second name


defo the mob have done some bad things esp 80s and 90s

Matteo Sparanza, 17-year old kid killed in the crossfires during The Colombo War in the early 90's.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news...rticle-1.701696

Numerous mobsters threatening to kill jury members e.g. Gotti trials.

The Gotti family making John Favara's life a living hell and then conspiring to murder him. I wonder what that man's family think about Vic Gotti's endless pontificating and mythologising of her father?

Murder of Everett Hatcher and other law enforcement.

Anthony Casso talking about burying a kid alive with a shovel with a gleam in his eye; reminiscing about torturing Jimmy Hydell with a gleam in his eye.

Jimmy Hydell raped and killed a girl, didn't he?

Whitey Bulger re: Debra Davis.

Sal Avellino re: Mobro 4000

Johnny Dio acid attack on Victor Riesel.

Paul Castellano ordering murder of daughter's boyfriend.

Merlino faction putting innocents lives at risk with brazen attack on Schuylkill expressway.

Di Bernardo's distribution of child porn.

Roy De Meo's murder of Dominick Ragucci.

Nino Gaggi's attempted murder of cop and murder of kid who broke his nose in a streetfight.

re: Action Jackson. What they did to that man is like something Ted Bundy would have done.

The Nicky Guido hit.

The "wrong" Nicky Guido. He was an innocent young guy killed on Christmas Day with his family inside the house to hear the shots. That's fucking horrifying. People should think about that the next time they watch a movie that humanizes some of these assholes.

The mafia in USA is nothing compared to the Sicilian Mafia,the things they did back in 1980s.And today as someone stated above toxic waste dumping and that murder of 3 year old kid by 'Ndrangheta.

Thomas orefice

those fuckin animals from Brooklyn should have got the death penalty for that alone PB

the "mafia cops" were the ones who killed him right?


them two are a fucking disgrace killing an innocent guy



joey medilsh when he whacked the wrong guy


mikey nose killed his own wife



nicky corezzo and mikey yannoti people forget this when they killed robert arena he was not alone he was with this innocent kid not involved in the mob complete legit well what does mikey yannoti do he kills both of them


when carmine galante got killed everyone in the restaurant with him got whacked even the innocent people but people who glorify the life forget that



charles carnlegia and bobby boriello killed a guard during a robbery they shot him dead kevin McHaon testified about it one of the murders he got convicted of


charles carneliga also killed an innocent court house offical in the 70s him and his brother johnny carneliga



casso killed his neighbors daughters exboyfriend. Thats how crazy he was the neighbor complained to casso that his duaghters exboyfriend was annoying her so what does casso do the sick fuck he has him killed thinking he is doing a "neighborhood favor"

Joey testa and George zappola murdered the wrong guido

This was truly tragic. Here is a Newspaper article about how the city made a pay out to Guido's mom:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...ticle-1.2098449

Anthony Casso is a recurring theme in this. He killed the architect who built his house..

Based on the erroneous information given to Casso by Eppolito and Caraccapa. They're just as culpable.

"To protect and serve." Scumbags.

Those guys were the worst. At least with a gangster, you know what to expect.

If you want to be a cop, be a cop. But be an honest cop. If you want to be a crook, be a crook and don't ever give up your friends. But pick a fucking side and stick with it. Dirty cops are every bit as vile as wiseguys who rat.

Agreed.

I'd say they are worse than rats, even. The worst of the worst.

I never knew how many mobsters committed rape until only a few nights ago. I did a quick google search and found about 30 members who have been convicted of rape. So fucking weird. What I find strange is how some people still associate with these individuals after they are aware of their previous crimes. I know most mobsters are pieces of shits but I thought at least a few of the 'decent' ones wouldn't want to be around someone as scummy as a rapist.

one of the top lucheses in the 80s was a rapist i think it was christy tix

i think its just one of those things which people leave out when they glorify the life

Yeah Christy Tick, Bugsy Siegal, Paul Vario, Dominick Trinchera, Carmine Lombardozzi, Sonny Franzese, and about 20 others.

Im not suprised that professional criminals have commited rape, Im more suprised that people still do business with them after they have been convicted.

Toto Riina after 1992 with the belief that they can bend the Italian government began a war that led to the near extinction of the Sicilian Mafia.

Ordered to put bombs on trains, blew away the gerorgofili and because of the bomb, many paintings in the Uffizi were damaged, and others destroyed forever (in Casal di prince in an event called the Uffizi to Casale, there were half destroyed painting which I made the photo, then shortly I will upload)

Even he ordered to leave syringes infected with the HIV virus on the beaches of the Romagna Coast.

They will not be so terrible crimes, but basically they are criminals and you expect the worst, and only when the crime affects the culture and has the ambition to govern a state that commits his greatest crime.

i always wonder if toto riina had not been arrested and they carried on there "war against the state" he could have won i mean the country was falling apart

after riina died though it carried on brusca kidnapping and killing that rats son.

The coreslini was not the same after brusca flipped provensco was a business man but he did not control it only corlone was his before riina he ran everything



the Sicilian mob would have never have been destroyed and never will its part of the culture and it has a huge recruitment pool

DiBernardo distributed child porn?

Didn't know that, but something like that couldn't be common knowledge could it?

I mean other people in LCN must have been appalled by it and surely try to do something about it..

DiBernardo's Star Distributors was investigated for it's involvement in the trade back in the 1980's. I'm not sure what became of it and obviously DiBernardo was killed by Gotti's regime before any charges could be brought. Star Distributors did a lot of business in "legal" porn that I always found it surprising if they really risked being involved in the child porn trade.

DeMeo's involvement is more certain and is covered in the book Murder Machine. DeMeo had been dealing in porn for some time but got involved in also trafficking in child/beastiality porn. Gaggi reportedly blew up when he found out about it. DeMeo's explanation was that was the way the industry was going and they couldn't stay competitive if they weren't involved.

That said, I think DeMeo was certainly an exception to the rule. Mob guys will be involved in a lot of heinous crimes but some things, like child porn or aiding terrorists for profit, just aren't in the average American mafioso's DNA.

Did Gotti care about DB's dealing on kiddy porn? Although Gotti was a extreme criminal he always struck me as a mobster that had slightly more morals then the average wiseguy.

i think gotti would have done what he did with drugs turn a blind eye and pretend he did no know just like paul. Paul always said how he disliked drugs but he was taking money of the zips for years he even helped the zips set up with angelo bruno and part of the reason paul wanted carmine galatne killed was because he was taking too much of a cut of the drugs game. Plus roy demeo was making huge amounts of money from drugs paul just turned a blind eye

gotti was the same he was taking drug money of john gambino his own crew were dealing no way he did not know he personally was not involved but most of his crew was rampino, gene, peter and richie dealt cocaine for awhile in the 70s, ruggerio, cardeneli,willie boy, johnny carneliga and charles carneliga. Mark g paid john tens of thousands on a monthly basis and everyone knew he was a heroin dealer

most of the money charles made in the 80s was from the weed racket him and johnny had going on but when johnny went away for the herion racket it all collapsed the drugs got seized and charles blamed peter zuccaro he demanded 30k or else he would kill him peter paid



though i think if john knew for certain and it was common knowledge within the family john or paul would have had whoever was involved in kiddie porn killed but if they had there suspicious they would turn a blind eye or tell themselves they dont know as a way to justify there actions

In my opinion though, drug consumption isn't immoral. So dealing in drugs isn't a bad thing I think, its the violence associated with it that is considered immoral.

You would judge someone who dealt in alcohol during prohibition as a gangster or a thug because they had to use violence for business, but when it became legal again and the violence stopped whoever sold alchohol was just a regular guy running a business.

Consenting adults should be allowed to consume whatever drug they want as long as does not affect other people. Making drugs illegal does not stop someone buying drugs, if someone wanted to buy cocaine or heroin they could even though it is illegal. Making drugs illegal just causes violence.

To be honest, I don't think alcohol prohibition was a morally wrong or restrictive law. I mean, come on, what a "big loss" for a person, not to be able to drink alcohol. An reasonable person would just shrugged off and moved on with his/her life without noticing. I agree that it was a stupid and ineffective law though, but NOT because of the "freedom" factor, but because of the impossibility to make it work. However, as ineffective and destined to fail this law may have been, it still had a reason: the problem of too many people drinking themselves almost to death and not working was really there as far as I know. I mean, it's not like they introduced prohibition just for fun of "depriving people of freedom".



It DOES affect other people. What do you think the relatives of an addict dead from a heroin overdose feel? Their feelings should always be taken into consideration.


You have some point here, but still I think "freedom" is not (or shouldn't be) a factor in this matter. The difficulty to enforce the laws and remove drugs from the streets is.

I think the freedom factor is the main factor. If you don't own your own body, than who does? Telling people what not to consume is ridiculous especially if it means locking someone in a cage when they don't comply. Horrible.

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It DOES affect other people. What do you think the relatives of an addict dead from a heroin overdose feel? Their feelings should always be taken into consideration.

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Ok fair enough, it is sad for families whos relatives become drug addicts, but it is also sad that families have realtives who are alcoholics, or for those who develop lung cancer from smoking. The point is however that making drugs illegal does not stop people from getting them, those people who died from drug overdoses were able to do so even though it was against the law. If all drugs became legal tomorrow there would be the same amount of drug users that there are today, the difference however is that the would be less drug gangs on the streets and less kids being killed because they can no longer earn money by being dealers.

Additonally, regulating drugs prevents kids from being able to buy drugs in the first place. Its extremely difficult for kids to buy alcohol if they are under the age of 21, but it is much easier for a kid to buy drugs because it is illegal and dealers are already breaking the law so why would they bother to have an age restriction.

About drugs, it also depends on the kind of drug. For example, I don't know about marijuana, as far as I know there haven't been any deadly overdoses, but legalizing such a deadly thing as heroin imho is like legalizing murder for hire. I mean, you are right that it seems impossible to remove drugs from the streets; but for that matter it's impossible to eliminate crime as an existing phenomenon either, but that doesn't mean we don't have to fight it.

About alcohol prohibition, I think it also depends on the historical period. There is no prohibition today, but people don't drink as much as before and during the 20s.

ok people are getting my point wrong

i was saying that in mob terms in the 70s and 80s you were not supposed to deal drugs but everyone did or turned a blind eye


marijuana should be legal without a doubt smoking is worse for you than marijuana no one has ever died of it


other drugs like heroin coke true addicts are going to buy if its legal or illegal but the problem is that you still have on your conscience if you made it legal that people will die and there familys devastated because of you even if it is not you would still feel responsible.

i would personally keep it illegal because i feel that if it is legal it would encourage people to try drugs


the prohibition was a joke everyone ignored it most places sold alcohol and no one cared it was ridiculous it was ignored by everyone the prohibition made the mob into a powerful organization

Back to the thread anyway.

That kiddie porn is news to me. When did dealing in child porn become ok in LCN? Not to mention the amount of rapists I said who became made men. If I was an authority figure in the mob I would have killed someone who did either of those things.

Ever hear of Frank De Simone?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_DeSimone

You're giving them way, way too much credit. Rape isn't a sexual crime. It's a violent crime perpetrated by people who need to be in control. And that fits the wiseguy persona to a tee.

As far as porn goes, they'll turn a blind eye to anything. Fat Tony and Matty both made the bulk of their fortunes shaking down gay bars on the West Side of Manhattan back in the day. And with that came a lot of other freaky shit that you'd be shocked by. And these were Westsiders, the cream of the crop!

It's a money game, Buddy. It always has been. Now, some wiseguys certainly have more "morals" than others. But you shouldn't be shocked by anything they do.

The DeMeo involvement in child porn is disgusting. Roy DeMeo and his crew in general seem like very sick fucks. I believe they killed a few women and other people who were not involved in the mob. Killing other criminals is one thing, killing some 19 year old girl because she was in the wrong place is really evil.
Tommy Karate Pitera is another one that seems like a sick fuck. He did torture some of his victims before killing. I am not a big Philip Carlo fan, but read the book he wrote about Pitera, the killing of that guy Stern is fucked up.
The Campisis (Genovese associates) in Newark, NJ kidnapped an innocent guy out of a store parking lot, murdered him and buried him in an unmarked grave in a swamp in the early 70s. All because they thought he MIGHT be able to testify against them in a robbery case.(he wasn't testifying) It's in the book Deal by Harvey Aronson.

agree

The story about Nino Gaggi killing that kid who broke his nose (after Gaggi took a swing at him with a hammer) always struck me as petty. A fight's a fight, killing a kid just because you lost is just pathetic.

charles carneliga is a nutjob as well killed an innocent court house offical in the 70s and a guard in the 90s during a robbery

who was that polish guy who was doing hits for mob in new york and jeresy richie something i know he made up alot but apparently he fed a guy to rats. He would kill guys for fun he would kill homeless people to train himself

he killed nobody with roy

who richie k i thought he was a demeo associate

charles never met demeo the guard was charles and bobby boreillo and the court house offical was charles and maybe johnny carneliga

So would it be fair/accurate to say that about 50% of guys in LCN have commited rape in their life?

Morals ?? Killing his innocent neighbor, openly cheating on his wife, selling junk etc...Moral less !!

& who in their right mind was going to get in the way of Paul & his monies?

Like previously mentioned I think the most savage examples of mob violence come from Italy. For instance the recent story of the slain 'Ndrangheta clan leader who was ambushed in a car with his grandson and girlfriend, they shot dead everyone including the 3 year old boy.

The Honored Society of Calabria my ass. Hope they enjoy their remaining time on earth because they're going to fry for eternity.

Was Castellano's daughter's boyfriend in the life or a civillian?

Book knowledge and movie bullshit. Richard Kuklinski never even knew Roy DeMeo. And DeMeo didn't know him. There's even doubt that he killed for the mob, the guy was a straight serial killer. And that movie The Iceman is 100 percent Hollywood bullshit.

never even saw the film

i thought he used to spend time around roy did not know if he killed for him. I just thought they had a friendly relationship never read.

To be honest i know little about richie k all i know is an article i read. I just heard he was a hitman for the decavs and spent time around roy and that he killed homeless guys for fun

There's serious doubts he was even mob affiliated. Like I said, the guy was a straight up serial killer. All that mob stuff didn't come until he himself was telling "his" story for book authors and HBO.


Read this.... http://swallowingthecamel.me/2013/07/17/the-iceman-lieth/

I think Kuklinski told a lot of bullshit but he made money somehow.He had a nice home and didn't go to work every morning like the average man.If he infact made his money in porn like is thought along with his "contract" killings.If he was in porn enough to make that kind of money he had to of come in contact with the mob I would think.But I couldn't even read the book by Carlo in was such horseshit

The guy wasn't exactly living lavish. As the article explains, 6 out of the 8 murders attributed to him, were business partners. Quite obvious how he made money, considering that. But he wasn't a mob hit man. He worked with nor for any mob guys or families.