Pretty Good Philly Mob Newsclip

Pretty good Philly Mob Newsclip I haven't seen before. (Note:its a Few Years Old)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-Nm_LLOK0

1:10

Guy can hardly breathe.. Get that man a cannoli, STAT!

0:45

Shut up you morally bankrupted old fart.

Speaking of mob lawyers, isn't Santaguida representing that Philly chef that got caught sending child porn?

to be fair ed jacobs has a point in that the whole case is bullshit what a waste of the tax payers money i mean what happened there was little everdince in the first and second trial against joe i mean lou and that guy who was geogre borgesi celly was the case and that guy who wore a wire on lou thats all they had. some wiretaps of book making and a diner with some guys from New york

look at the results a 11 year long rico millons spent building the case and millions proscuting it and what result ligambi beat the case. Geogre borgesi beat the case. scoops beat the case. Stanio who everyone said was dead only got 5 years and that was because a FBI agent wore a wire.

Most plead out and a few guys like mousie and eric got long sentences


but was it really worth it a medium sized book making ring poker machines low level drugs and shake down a bookie that was at the end of the day the case there is tons of major crimanls and they focus on a mob family which is really dead just a bunch of bookies. It was a waste of time the whole case next time the feds should only indict if they have a case i mean what a waste of tax payers money

Morally bankrupt for being a criminal defense attorney? BTW, one of the best in tri state area.

Your mad at him for representing friggen uncle joe ligambi? Perhaps Italians shoulden't get defense attorneys, they should just got locked up like in communist countries. Video Poker Joe, what an enemy of society.

Well, GR, they are still dropping bodies. That's what the feds want.

completly agree


ed jacobs is one of the best lawyers


and like i said before a bunch of bookmakers, loansharks and poker machines the other guy is making them out to be something like the cartel

That's being pretty obtuse in fairness. It's not just about video poker. The guy is/was the defacto head of a criminal organization. Why is the lawyer (who isn't even Italian-American) using the Italian card? Most Italian-Americans would be disgusted by reprobates like Ligambi using their ethnicity to cry injustice.

Don't complain about the American justice system. There is nothing wrong with it.

In the United Kingdom and Ireland custodial sentences are a joke.

Edit: So if someone like say Di Pietro is murdered the order for that doesn't come down from Ligambi? If drugs are sold by soldiers that doesn't come down from Ligambi?

What does the cartel have to do with it? That's a strawman right there.

You're wrong about the American justice system. It's completely fucked up.

Maybe not in this case, but in general? We have the highest incarceration rates in the world.

And ed jacobs said that because he's a defense lawyer, that's what they do.

Typical moe tilden, in between fart jokes he wants to jump up on his morality soap box to preach at us mere mortals, and also go on and on about the justice system of a country he doesnt even live in.

Seriously moe, [DELETED]

A foreigner, badmouthing a country and a justice system he doesn't understand, while worshipping neighborhoods in America he has A, never been to and b, will never go to.

The fact that Jacobs was able to get Ligambi out on that case is a miracle. RICO is stacked against the defense. YOu shoulden't be insulting the man as morally obtuse because he was doing his job to represent his client. That is how it works in this country, you get hired to defend someone, you defend them.

As far as the Italian thing, he was summarizing the defenses and defendants feelings. Cutler wasn't Italian either, do you have a problem with him too?

Seriously, another foreign America basher who worships our culture so bad he dreams he could live in Yonkers for one day.

Dellacroce -

That was a terrible thing to say (in your reply, above). Absolutely terrible and shit like that will not be tolerated here. Don't EVER say anything like that to a member here again. You will not be warned again!

FWIW - I'm really surprised at you.

Moe- thats pretty silly to give Jacobs shit for being an advocate for his client thats his job, and like previously stated every criminal defendant is entitled to be represented??..Dellacroce is right calling a criminal atty morally bankrupt for doing his job is fuckin idiotic

And where do u see Ligambi bitching hes getting harassed because hes Italian?..jacobs brought it up and hes not wrongbthe FBI has had a hard on for the Mafia since fuckin Apalachin and now especially in Philly they are the least of their concerns..speakin as someone whos from and lives here youre way off no ones saying Ligambi or the wiseguys arent crooks but the amount of govt resources wasted on gambling and joker poker machines is horse shit..the feds need to go after the drug orgs in North Philly and Kensington

I'm sorry but I have to agree with Moe here, at least when it comes to criminal defense attorneys.

When you think about it, it really takes an incredibly amoral person to be a criminal defense attorney. We're not talking about Perry Mason or Matlock here, where all their clients are innocent. This is the real world where the vast majority of clients a criminal defense attorney will represent are guilty as hell. And the criminal defense attorney KNOWS it. Murder, robbery, rape, doesn't matter. They'll do everything they can to get the scumbag off or at least with little punishment as possible. How anyone can do that for a living and then look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me. But I suppose they buy into the same cop out many here do - that they're just doing their job or performing a valuable service in our criminal justice system. Something tells me that excuse isn't going to hold up when they meet their Maker. You show me a typical criminal defense attorney and I'll show you someone going straight to hell.

And don't even get me started on those clowns they interviewed towards the end. How do we know these guys are in the mob? Why don't they go after the murderers and not Ligambi who is just a numbers writer? Are you kidding me?

gino was not a sanctioned by ligambi and there is some ties to joey merlino but thats it.


Drugs they deal on an a extreme low scale if that


my point is there is alot worse than the philly mob of today well ligambis mob joey merlinos mob is a bit different



they are being unfairly targeted compared to some of these groups 11 years millions spent on that



now with joey m its a bit differant he asks for attention

someone has to reprsent a crimnal. I dont mind most defense lawyers they are making a living yes dealing with criminals but so what did they commit the crime?



the ones i dislike are the ones who get to close like bruce cutler or the ones who transfer messages to other criminals the ones who are basically criminals themselves.



but i respect your opinion on that we have different ideas on life

Moe Tilden= Most, annoying foreign troll here who wouldn't last a single day here in Jersey by himself, would be crying to go back to his parents basement in Ireland

Don't start this shit with making flaming statements about other members here. Suspensions will start again.

But when somebody trolls every thread, makes unfunny jokes, and is never serious, it gets annoying.

If you have issues with another member's posting style you have two options. You can ignore them or if you are seriously annoyed by something they've done you can notify a moderator. Making flaming statements about the other guy is NOT an option.

Have fun, laugh, joke around but don't make any personal attacks. We don't want anarchy here and it won't be tolerated.

1. I never said there is anything wrong with the American
justice system. In fact I said the opposite.

2. I have never, ever, badmouthed America on this forum. I respect other countries.

3. The insulation prevalent in the mafia protects cowards like Ligambi from being punished for involvement in murders, extortion, loansharking and various other criminal acts. So RICO is quite necessary to combat the organizational and hierarchical aspect of the mob; because the deck was actually historically stacked against the feds.

4. I agree everyone has a right to fair representation. That is what is great about America. Unfortunately it also means morally unscrupulous lawyers like Jacobs can get pedophiles off, or mobsters off with the blood money they pay him from illegally gained assets.

5. I have a problem with people like Ligambi crying racism or social injustice, yes. They don't speak for the Italian-American community. They are criminals and a drain on society.

6. Again. Show me where I have bashed America? I bashed a bloodsucking lawyer and I bashed a career criminal. What is wrong with either of those things.

I don't know why people are taking my opinions so seriously. I am entitled to my opinion and I respect everyone else's.

I have no idea what's so polarizing about what I am saying to begin with.

At 2:01 isn't that ardie Bucco's wife in the Soprano's?

Charmaine is hotter than that.

First, I think you're forgetting several murders. The 1999 murder of Ronnie Turchi, for example, of which Ligambi later said "We banged out Ronnie to teach Ralph (Natale) a lesson." There was also the murder of Long John Martorano in 2002, Johnny Gongs Casasanto in 2003, and Rocco Maniscalco in 2010.

Second, this stuff about Ligambi, etc being "unfairly targeted" is nonsense. That thinking may be the result of the greater media exposure that comes with the Italian mob (the public still eats it up) but anyone who follows the wider world of OC knows law enforcement goes after other groups too, sometimes making them an even higher priority.

rocco Maniscalco there is a high chance was not mob related infact there is info which shows it could have been drug related. Even if it was mob related from what i have read it was to do with geogre borgesi (nothing to do with being harrys grand kid) but even the ties to the mob are weak not kicking up street tax i dont think ligambi who at that time knew the indciments were coming down was planning to defend himself by saying the mob is not violent would sanction it



ronnie turchi i agree that it was prob ligambi but that was 16 years ago alot of those guys were killers back in the day plus we only have pete the crumbs word who i dont trust



raymond murder once again i read he butted heads with ligambi but also read in one of geogres books that he was trying to get back in the meth business and that some sources say that ligambi had nothing to do with it. Once again 13 years ago


then johnny gongs i dont even think ligambi had him done it all ties to joey merlino with johnny fucking joeys wife yes they may have killed him because of the raymond hit but i think it was all merlino











i agree they should be targeted but the resources they put into the philly mob is in my opinion ridiculous when there is more violent groups out there i mean the whole mob is a small bookmaking operation 11 years and thats what they produce in my opinion that says it all





if the feds bring a case with murders or violent crimes fine charge them but dont waste the tax payers money on a bullshit case lou moncellao that guy who was geogres bitch in the can and the guy who wore a wire on lou that was the feds 11 year investigation two trials worth of tax payers hmmmmmmmm they should have never indicted him if they had no case




and yes they do take down other oc groups but if they had put a little bit more of the money they put into ligambi trials into weakening other oc groups it would made alot more of a difference two trials what a waste of time and money

That's the whole point of RICO. As a leader in the organization, Ligambi is guilty of those crimes his organization commits, whether he was directly involved (he was, at least in some, and there's no statute of limitations on murder) or not. Gambling may be the main racket of the Philly mob but it still maintains its position through threats, intimidation, assault, and murder.

true i respect your opinion on this subject and yearh i know how the rico law works. I still personally think they wasted tax payers money in putting ligambi on trial. Same goes for joey scoops why he was even on trial is beyond me all there was that tape and the only thing he said which was bad was that the induction cermonary with big lou apart from that nothing.

Waste of taxpayers money?

What do you suggest they do, give them free rein and allow them to become as powerful as they were in the Bruno era?

It is not a waste of taxpayers money. They have brought the organization to its knees.

They spend whatever is in their means, and in my opinion it is worth its weight in gold.

And like Ivy says, I don't buy the "harmless old bookmaker giving people an outlet to bet on games" trope that is trotted out.

An endeavour that functions and thrives on the implicit threat of violence and extortion.

Exactly . why not just let the mafia control all the unions again so when hard working men retire, they have no money in their pension funds.
Also, whats better than finally saving all your hard earned money to open a business and then have a few mob guys throw a bomb through your window because you wont pay them protection money.

Did you watch the video you post or did you just post it to make fun of the fat guy (a guy who had just seen his son get convicted on a fed case, real classy of you btw).

The taxpayers of Pennsylvania in that video (one of whom wasn't italian) who actually live in Philadelphia are saying stop waisting our money on bullshit cases. The amount of money wasted prosecuting ligambi on that case was a joke.

Murders? AS far as I know, there was no murder count in that indictment. It was joker poker book and shy (for staino). That's it. IF you lived in the New Jersey philadelphia area you would be aware that alot more grevious issues exist beyond small time gambling and loan sharking. And alot less resources are used for those issues. Murders hapeen every day in North philly. Drugs everywhere. Guys are making millions.

So prosecute the ligambi organization? Of course, but, bring a real fucking case, don't waste everyones time and money with a re-trial, and stop pretending you are prosecuting the chin or john gotti.

Finally, you really have no idea what is wrong and right about the criminal justice system in America, and until you start paying taxes in my country, you have no place to say so.

You don't see me talking about the problems existing in whatever shit hole euro country you live in.

Read Crash's comment above and you might get an understanding of why I have little sympathy for the "fat guy" or his son.

I don't mock productive members of society.

And if Ligambi or Staino weren't high ranking members of a notorious criminal organization then I would maybe have a sliver more sympathy for them, but we aren't talking about underdogs here.

Maybe people would be less pissed off if the feds would just turn a blind eye and focus their energies on people with darker skin tones?

Keep pretending the mob aren't some of the main purveyors and main profiteers of drugs.

And what does my shit hole euro country have to do with anything?

This is about a mob related case pertaining to two states. I am not making some grandiose societal judgement about the entire country.

And people have just brought up murders Ligambi was complicit in.

Just because everyone knows he did it or was involved in it somehow but it can't be proven beyond reasonable doubt or because of some technicality bullsh*t they should just leave him alone and have a "hard on" for him? Please.

Try using that justification when child rapists or less glamorous criminals get off on similar technicalities.

Moe, Ivy, Crash all raise valid points.

And there they will meet Joseph Smith, who will fit them with an orange jump suit and some special magic underwear.

Do you live in about 1965, moe? That hasn't been true in many decades. Philly's best racket in 00s was fucking slot machines in italian bars. Despite all the allegations in your posts, the feds never charged conduct other than that. So in the end, we spent tens of millions of dollars for a few chickenshit convinctions on slot machines.

If you think this is about anything else than prosecutors getting their "case" and moving on to white shoe law firms or politics- I got a bridge to sell you. I went to school with these people, I know what they are all about.

Pretty childish ideas about civics and the nature of government. Go read about the doe prosecutions in Wisconsin and tell me that everything the government charges is moral, fair and wonderful.

Somehow I think you will change your tone fast if the arbitrary and vicious IRS claims you underpaid, when the federal thugs attempt to use civil asset forfeiture on your rental property because you had a bad tenant selling drugs or the EPA thinks you are building on a dry land near a "navigable water" and takes your property.

Most of these prosecutors and bureaucrats are out for number one. Without defense attorneys, everyone is facing the all powerful, thug government alone.

Don't waste your time Nicky. Not only does this fucking Eurotrash clown spout garbage, but he shows no grasp of history. Questions about Frank Martines from the Stanfa crew. Numerous books have been written about the issue, infinite internet resources from that era. Top it off with the fact the TOPIC HAS BEEN DISCUSSED 100 TIMES on this site.

He wants pretend to be a smart guy, mouths off like an educated derelict, and yet asks the dumbest fucking questions.

Moe, go buy a few books. YOu can use your welfare check. The goodfella tapes and the last gangster, both by George Anastasia. In those books you will learn all you ever wanted to know about the philly family and Frank Martines. You'll also learn about the 1999 drug case the feds tried to pin on Joey Merlino. Ron previte tried probably 50 times to get joey to approve a drug deal, but he refused to do so because its a "bad pinch". BUt ye, the LCN controls drugs in Philly.

Grow up.

You will have to excuse my ignorance RE: Frank Martines. I simply have a passing interest in organized crime. I am not absolutely obsessed with them, like you are; I don't go to their hangouts to stalk them. I don't have posters of John Gotti & Joey Merlino in my bedroom, I don't make comments lauding criminals and I don't make asinine quack comments about the federal government.

It's no coincidence that the guy making the best argument (Ivy) comes across eloquently and respectfully while quacks like you resort to derogatory comments about what country "I come from" or Ivy's "religion".

Let's all shed a tear for the persecution of the Italian-American mobster at the hands of the "thug government".

And people are accusing me of denigrating America.

People can't even respect their own government and institutions..

Then don't open your mouth. Because it is prosperous beyond belief to say the philly mafia are "main purveyors and main profiteers of drugs".

Passing interest vs. Quack

Quack: 383 posts on organized crime site. Quack has a job. Quack has had sex with an actual female in his life.

Passing interest: 1894 posts on gangster web site. Passing interest lives in mom's basement. Passing interest is on welfare. Passing interest is a virgin.

Oh look. The quack is projecting.

If you have to brag about having sex with a woman on an internet forum to insult someone then it's a dead giveaway that you probably haven't.

Enjoy staring at Joey Merlino's six-pack ceiling poster.

OK, ItalianForever is the first casualty here. He had been warned against flaming in the past but he either has a learning disability or he doesn't care. Regardless, he is now banned from posting here.

STOP THE DAMNED PERSONAL ATTACKS, GUYS!!

Moe, don't get caught up in this shit.

Lol how can you assume he's on welfare because he doesn't share your opinion that its a "waste of taxpayer dollars" to prosecute Joe Ligambi and the Philly administration. Was Gino DiPietro not a medium scale drug dealer? Would his murder not most likely have an association with the drugs and the market they've created? The simple possibility that Ligambi MAY have known, and ignored, if not signed off on, the plans of a murder isn't enough for it to be a "good" use of taxpayer dollars in his prosecution? And is it not possible that the reason he may have signed off on the murder is because of the drug market? He's taken part in and has oversaw acts of violence such as assaults and murder in the past, should he not be prosecuted for those crimes like every other violent criminal should? Sure he's slowed down with age, hasn't committed a murder in years, should it be left up to god for him to judged for his immoral acts?


I'm not saying he did any of the things, but the DiPietro murder, as well as past history is enough to prove that simply ruling out the possibility that Ligambi & the rest of the Philly Mob, in some way has tried to earn through the drug market in the past decade, may not be logical.


And at the end of it all, while being an illegal activity thats "harmless", bookmaking and bullying your way into the video poker market is still illegal. It's a bullshit offense, just like most of our drug laws, but you do the crime, you should be able to do the time without crying wolf.

How did they bring the organization to it's knees? The only significant players that they put away for any real time were Anthony Staino and Joseph Massimino. Eric Esposito, Marty Angelina, and Big Lou in North Jersey received minor sentences - and all except Esposito are home now, and he will be released in May. I'm not saying they shouldn't go after these guys (they are criminals at the end of the day), but the fact that they spent millions of dollars of the taxpayers money and 10+ years on this case to only put a few mob soldiers in prison for a handful of years wasn't worth the time or money.

Philly now has more guys on the streets than they have had at any point since late in the Scarfo regime. I'm not saying they are anything even close to the Bruno or Scarfo era's regarding their power/strength, but they have more numbers on the street (with Esposito and Faffy coming home in 2016) than at any point in the last 20+ years.

did you see the trial



if they are going to indict them bring fucking everdince



now what you are doing is twisiting my words i said that i think they should not borther indicting these guys on bullshit charges spending millions



brought what fucking orgainization its knees I AM TALKING ABOUT THE 2011 INDICMENT



ok who did they bring down


stanio and mousie and couple of low level thugs the rest was millions trying to beat ligambi and scoops on bullshit whole thing was embarrassing and a wast of tax payers money if they want to indict them bring a case they did it for the headlines


epecially after the first trial the feds should have rested



i dont know what your smoking completly twisting my words but i am done on this topic the mods are getting annoyed

thank you someone with some common sense that is exactly what i am trying to say

rapist and child molesters get slaps on the wrist

we have a corrupt justice system

pyramid schemes hurt the country more than a broke drug dealer which most dealers are

You might have an argument if criminal defense attorneys ONLY took on defendants they truly believed were innocent or had been charged unfairly somehow. But that's not the case. Most will take anyone, regardless of the crime, if they can shell out the bucks. They pretty much have to because, as I said, the vast majority charged are guilty as hell. I've worked in the CJ system and know whereof I speak.

35 made men (including Ligambi and Chang, Sr.) on the street with Esposito, Fazzini and Faffy all getting out in less than 9 months. It's amazing how deep this family currently is.

Ted - unless Big Lou is in a halfway house, I'm almost positive that he is out of prison. I remember seeing an article about it awhile back but I can't remember from where. I also checked the BOP website just to double check, and it says that he was released in April.

SC why do you protect the trolls here at all costs? Isn't it clear that people are sick of them ruining every topic? I guess it's not

Also Dame Canalichio got 11 years in that case

Thats Dante Canalicho, dames brother. hes been on a list of associates before but i never heard of him being involved really..

Moe was raising valid points in this thread, respectfully, surprisingly. But was just met with personal attacks. That's why SC banned those guys.

Valid points my ass. To even humor the notion that the fbi spending my tax dollars chasing uncle Joe is appropriate is absolutely ludicrous. There are much worse things going on that they could devote the budget and resources towards prosecuting.how would someone know though when they live in a foreign country and just piece together their opinion on our justice system based on articles and archives and their own sense of morality. The money the Feds waste on these guys is a joke, plain and simple.

It's asinine to say that it's a waste of money and resources.

You do realise that when the mafia infiltrated every union it passed on higher costs to the consumer i.e. you, right?

Not to mention the money from people's pension funds that were wiped out.

Funny how when the mafia rip everyone else off, your main concern is what the feds are doing with "your money".

As I said, wilfully obtuse.

How anyone can carry such a blissfully ignorant attitude in these times is beyond me.

i am not saying they should not have spent money trying to get them but the amount of money in two trials they spent a complete waste of time


(also the "union" stuff in philly died 30 years ago it is a bookmaking operation now most groups in philly have alot more power )

On the surface, some of the recent mob trials may have come across as a waste of money but they still go after the mob for one, simple reason: under no circumstances do they want them regaining the same type of power that they had prior to the eighties, when the government really started putting the pressure on. As soon as they show signs of slacking off, the mob rebuilds its power. Because of attrition, it may not necessarily be as an exclusively Italian/Sicilian entity like in the "old days", but its potential for resurrection would still be high if government pressure significantly slackened.

It would be a larger waste of money to go after violent, loosely organized street gangs, where putting one away simply leads to three taking their place. They are a largely localized element of the criminal society that never had near the stranglehold on certain aspects of the national economy that the mob did in its heyday and preventing that from ever occurring again is high on their priority list. Of course, some simple old-timer gamblers may get swept up with the bigger fish, but its simply guilt by association in those cases, as sad as it is to say.

you are the ignorant one. There are worse things going on they need to pursue. You would not know that though

It's not like Scotland or wherever you live. People walk around philly like zombies all hooked on drugs. People get killed every day. Black on black crime is astronomical. Insurance fraud and identity theft makes everything expensive. I don't want my tax dollars paying for the Feds to bust gamblers and protect loan shark "victims". Pull your head out of your ass it is 2015

What do black people have to do with anything? People of every ethnicity deal drugs and it's pretty naive to pretend the mafia haven't and don't.

Insurance fraud and identity theft? You mean the very same lucrative cyber crime Scarfo, Pelullo and LoCascio engaged in?

Loansharking and extortion are serious crimes. It doesn't matter what segment of society they are targeting.

scarfo and locasico were both new york we are talking philly

therr is alot more violent groups than the mob in philly put it like that esp in todays mob

gambling is there biggest racket and there is nothing wrong with that. Drus they deal low scale nothing really.

Loansharking is not practical and is wrong but its hard for alot of people to get loans else where and is much differance banks take peoples homes mob you end up with a beating both just as bad as each other


extoration? of what other crimanls


the philly mob cant be compared to the more violent groups in todays mob 30 years ago yes but now




accept it the philly mob is dying really thats my opinion its 2015 people

I can't believe this is even an issue. Local, state, and federal law enforcement investigates and prosecutes both the LCN and other OC groups in Philadelphia. It's not like they're ignoring everyone else and blowing all their time, money, and manpower on the mob. The mob is still committing crimes up to and including murder. They deserve to be put away like the rest of the crooks.