Bergen County

I am a long time reader of this board and finally decided to sign up and post. I was wondering what is the situation with bergen county? Who is in charge? I live here and notice that basically every place in the county is under construction. Is that the main source of income for the rackets? Aside from the bookmaking, since everyone I know has a bookie or knows a bookie. I would assume a ton of money is made in drugs - mainly heroin and coke. If you read the local papers the heroin epidemic is at an all time high now. Between people I know and things I've heard, heroin use is nuts here, mainly among high school kids because their parents cut them off and heroin is much cheaper than oxy or other pain pills.

Thanks in advance for the responses and I look forward to talking more to everyone in the future.

Just because heroin is big in your county, or drugs period, it doesn't mean it's LCN related. For instance, I'm from Long Island, in both counties, Nassau & Suffolk, heroin is an epidemic out here, yet Italian Organized Crime Groups control pretty much none of it. Thats not to say there aren't some guys still dabbling in the drug game, but this isn't the French Connection here. The Heroin dealers here, and the big money guys are all black and Hispanic, and Caucasian.

Same can be said for construction, a lot of those COULD be perfectly legal, state supervised construction firms. Dunno though, I know nothing of Bergen County, just speaking from experience as related to where I live.

Very interesting. This article says that the heroin and cocaine in America are mostly being brought in from south/central America and Mexico:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-dark-net-might-be-changing-drug-smuggling-routes-2015-6

Because there are a lot of Colombians and Mexicans here now I would assume the mafia has been cut out of moving weight. Might be wrong...

LCN is basically done with heroin. Its all about mexico. Its a dirty business and lcn is not interested( for the most part ) with crimes that carry such harsh sentences. Its all about gambling, shy, and construction. At least here.
Allthough, you have associates screwing around with pills amd weed.

Oxycontin is becoming more popular however

Good luck filling an oxy script anywhere......

I had a serious shoulder infection and had a hell of a time filling percocet 5/325's. I went to four places and all of them were out of stock (the script was for only 16 pills!!!)

Good luck filling any blues (pure 30 mil oxy with no tylenol in them) these are the ones the kids like to snort, shoot or chase the dragon off tin foil.

The DEA really scared the shit out of all the doctors and pharmacies with all kinds of fines, throwing doctors in jail etc.

There was a time when I really thought that Nixon was a good prez. until I found out that HE created the fucking DEA.

You have no idea the shit those bastards have pulled down here in South Fl., Yeah I know the place was raining blues (oxys) but I also know people who are in serious pain and cannot get their meds ANYWHERE.

The Oxy days are over forever. Some of the people buying the H are former pain patients who just cannot get through a day they are in so much pain. Are they gonna pay 30-35$ for one blue on the street or go and find a couple of dimes in the hood????

Sal

$5M Worth Of Heroin Seized In Bergen County
Connecticut man arrested after three-week long investigation yields 1.1 million decks of heroin worth $3.5 and $5 million, police said.
By DANIEL HUBBARD (Patch Staff)
September 9, 2015
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$5M Worth Of Heroin Seized In Bergen County
A Connecticut man was arrested in Teaneck Friday after authorities seized 22 kilograms of heroin, about 1.1 million decks, worth between $3.5 and $5 million, New Jersey State Police said.

Miguel Armenta-Villa, 25 of Bakersfield, Connecticut, was arrested at 620 Bryant Ave. after authorities searched and found 22 kilograms of heroin at the residence, police said. The heroin is equivalent to 1.1 million decks of heroin. A deck is considered a single dose of heroin.

“It’s definitely one of the biggest ones in the state this year,” state police Sgt. Jeff Flynn said. ”When you’re talking about 1.1 million doses, there’s a high probability that someone’s life could be saved as a result of the investigation.”

Detectives from the state police Trafficking North Unit and members of the New York Drug Enforcement Fast Force Group arrested Armenta-Villa after a three-week long investigation, authorities said.


The state Division of Criminal Justice in the Office of the Attorney General will prosecute the case, police said.

I also live in Bergen County and I always thought there was something REALLY fishy going on with all the major construction jobs. It seems like the start the jobs with an army of workers, then it dwindles down to a few, then none but, all the equipment just sits on the site.....My assumption is that regardless whether anyone is on the site, they are charging the state as if the job is happening, non-stop as in, it took 300 days to complete......Look at the Route 17/Route 4 fiasco from 10-15 years ago. They dragged their ass it seems and THEN, they offer to bring in all their workers so that they can supposedly finish it 2 years ahead of schedule AND, that earned them a huge bonus in the millions....They got paid to do the job and it seems like they held back on purpose, just to get the payoff.

Here is the truth: Where ever there is large amounts of money circulating, there is also someone on the take, with corrupt nonsense happening.....NYC takes the cake but, NJ is a close second.

Also, I was talking to someone on the waterfront on the border of Bayonne and Jersey City and I asked him which one of the 5 families controls that spot? He said that it was the Irish who controlled that spot and not any of the 5 families....I was baffled by that. I believed that to be Manna and Fiumara's old area....Maybe the guy was wrong, who knows.

That sort of highway construction is not done on a time and materials basis, the state DOT pays by ton of asphalt paved, yard of dirt moved, foot of pipe put in place, yards of concrete poured, and so on. And usually there's a bonus/penalty clause. So there's big time incentive to get it done. Get it done sooner-more money. Take too long-less money. Working on existing highways like that in an urban area is a nightmare of scheduling and logistics.

I don't live in NYC but the Dominicans run 75 percent of heroin and coke in the whole northeast Washington heights and the Bronx there center of the pipe line all over new England in every city n town. The mob guy in Boston was working with Dominicans. Mexicans probaly work with them in the northeast only. The other 25 just divie it up of other little island country's down there.

Blows my mind what they do wish all the proceeds of the drug money in d.r. and how the hell is the US letting so much in from that little country.

And we're do they find large doses of fetalnal to cutt the dope that kills everyone around here. I seen a fetalnal patch when my pops was dying of cancer.

In most cases its not just heroin that kills. If an addict is experienced there going to know better than to do a lot of something they got from a brand new source. The'll try a little and see how strong it is.

Most OD's are from stupid people who just got out of prison and now they are detoxed, their resistance to the drug has gone WAY down. So whats the first thing these assholes do? the minute they get out of jail clean as a whistle they go score and cook up the biggest shot of H trying to get off real good (oops DEAD)

The other way is by mixing H with xanax or coke. Thats another good way to kill yourself.

Now Keith Richards is no hero of mine but here is a guy who did heroin everyday for over 40 years. I know he looks like hes 92 but hes still very much alive. I read in Rolling Stone where he said he was always very careful not to get too "greedy" when it came to fooling with dope.

Sal

Like I said, I live in Long Island, and my insurance covers my pain meds. I get a monthly supply of blues, 180 of them. All for my back pains. They aren't hard to find as long as you can prove to the pharmacies that you have legit health issues. Places like CVS, you can forget about, mom and pop drug stores get them, Walgreens too, you just have to be specific with the script. I know for me, my insurance doesn't cover the generics, only the real deal. So I have to be specific with Walgreens as far as my script goes.

And blues aren't oxys, the 30 mg's are Roxicodones. Their somewhat the same but Roxies are unequivocally stronger. And South Florida was known as pain pill capital at one point, so I can see the DEA restrictions essentially killing the practice down there.

Dude some how the Dominicans control the blues around new England alot are fake a concoction of dope methdone and who knows what. The little barber shops all over you buy 100 for half the mili give or take a few dollars. Sorry to get off the subject of Bergen county isn't it also very waspy like old money. But when it comes to drugs the mafia couldn't touch the prices them dudes get maybe in the marijuana shit cause the lcn has the means to get it transported.

Dunno about that. I get my blues straight from the pharmacy, not any Dominicans.

Your total right Sinatra. Legit. But so many kids bought them when these docs whernt scared the dea would raid there clinic and take there license. Then over night I'm seeing grayish blues. A pill print is the way. Just like the pill companies and Dr. Flooded America with the oc80 and 40 the Dominicans didn't have thous. Even in the rap music they glorify percs. Was reading lil als book the bosses back in the days wouldn't let them dilute medicine.

Sicilian Gambino's moving H with that Sicilian connection, you had that massive coke conspiracy with Gambino/N'Drangheta

Tg there's 22 yr old kids in a section 8 apartment movine 50 bricks a month. Them guys in queens had a direct partner in Costa Rica sending it there crates of avacardos or some shit. No small feat is that the word I'm looking for. Just lcn around here can't compare but they got all the good quesi legit rackets. The 5 families and the school bus union should be a 500 page book by sabb. That shit must still be in there grips. Another one sbarros pizza I been meaning to bring this up for ever kicking up to the westside till alittle while ago 10yrs+ I see them pizza place every mall around and airports.

Maybe Vito rizzutto had the final say on drugs up in Montreal but 6 7 hours south. It's a minority thing.

I'd be surprised if LCN was involved heavily in drugs, with the exception of pot. Look how the FEDS go after those guys for video poker machines, booking etc. If they were importing & sellings massive amounts of dope & coke, the Feds would be all over them but hey, that's just my opinion.

Where I'm from, if you're looking for heroin or coke you go to the Puerto Ricans. I'm not in Puerto Rico either, I'm in Massachusetts.

Lol I'm only laughing because this thread started up and here is something interesting that just happened in Bergen County.

At least $3.5M in heroin seized at N.J. house, authorities say | NJ.com


http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2015/...ost_shared-news


This guy they arrested is from out here in CA. Bakersfield is known for its bikers and gangbangers. Fresno same thing.

Edit: Another article says he's from Bakersfield, CN ??





(If this has already been posted I apologize)

SinatraClub,

I a genuinely happy that you don't have to live in pain and are able to get your meds.

The problem with South Florida was that there was a "pain clinic" on every single street corner. The place was just raining "roxies" (you are correct).

What took it all down was what ALWAYS does.....greedy and stupid people "burned it down". I was in three really bad car accidents in my life, one involved a fatality (none were my fault though)

Anyway I was going to pain clinics for awhile and what I saw just blew my mind. Most of the plates on the cars were from Georgia, Tennessee, No Carolina. The Docs would write you ANYTHING you asked for as long as you had a valid MRI that showed any kind of damage (no matter how small) In my case it was a bunch of messed up discs in my neck and back.

Many of the people didn't even take the drugs. They would sell the entire scripts off and just save a couple of pills to pass the urine tests. I knew one woman who was going to three different Dr.'s and filling scripts all over town. Shewas pulling down 5 to 8 grand a month.

I can promise you LCN was involved with the whole pain clinic thing here.

Once I was waiting to see the Dr. which used to take all of 10 minutes then you would get your scripts. While I was waiting a very typical NY Italian young man comes out to a PACKED waiting room and hollers...."I got Gucci, Fendi and Coach purses and sunglasses for sale in the back room. Needless to say a bunch of the woman and trannies that were waiting for the Doc all ran back and came out with new handbags......

You'd see people come in with wheelchairs then after they got their scripts jump up out of the wheelchair, fold them up and throw them in the trunk. People were getting off right in the parking lots!!! used needles laying around short pieces of straws and little pieces of tin foil for those who were smoking them.

So because of the above greedy stupid assholes the DEA just closed this place up tighter than a ducks ass. There are only a very few "regulars" from the old days that are still getting filled at Wallgreens. The Mom and Pop places are scared to death to carry anything narcotic at all.

The DEA scared everybody so bad that I couldn't fill 16 perc 5/325's the other day. And the script was a month old so they could see I obviously didn't "have to have them". Its always good to keep a few of those around for the occasional backache, but all that tylenol really upsets my stomach. That shit is poison.

Sal

There have been examples of the LCN moving heroin in recent years. Just not as often as cases of them moving cocaine or marijuana. And they typically don't control the supply of heroin like they used to. In short, the mob hasn't been pushed out of the drug trade but it has been marginalized. But as I've said, the mob - especially the NY families - are very diversified and narcotics is but one of their rackets. Diversification and sophistication is the key to the mob's staying power, not being at the top of the drug trade.

To pmac, as far as the Northeast drug trade goes, as far north as the Philadelphia/South Jersey region, the Mexicans are now the top drug traffickers. They've also continued to expand into the New York/North Jersey and New England areas. The Colombians, at least the last reports I saw, we're still the top suppliers there. For years the Dominicans were the main mid-level distributors for the Colombians and they have increasingly been supplied by the Mexicans.

To ItalianIrishMix, the Bayonne/Jersey City waterfront is ILA Local 1588 which has traditionally been Genovese territory.

Damn, that blows. I'm genuinely sorry to hear that because I know how it is. Amazed Perc 5/325s still work for you though. The tylenol just makes my skin itch. But yeah, I saw a program about the pain clinics in Southern Florida once on NatGeo, DEA did you guys filthy. I can bet LCN had it's grubs in that whole thing, only thing that really leads a doctor to filling scripts like that is free money basically.

Salvi you are right on and there were some OC elements in some of those clinics back in the day because as you know you could hit every clinic from i95 across aligator alley and back up teh state and clean up take them up north or wherever and make a fortune and then there was insurance fraud on top of that with the "doctors" at these pain clinics...destroyed families and lives in the mid-late 2000s with these pills and pain clinics..sad stories i had it happen in my house and never knew what was going on or how easy it was to get the stuff...bad shit...and soooo much money being made over it and all the "patients" had tp know were the key words the docs were looking for like "back" pain or something similar...still today in s florida you got people breaking into or robbing publixes, 7-elevns to get the money for their fix

Sinatra,

perc 5's don't do shit.

We live under the illusion of freedom. Yeah, so they let you go out and vote once and awhile. But you get pulled over for a routine traffic stop and some asshole cop thinks he has PC to search your car. If they find just one of those perc 5's laying around you might very well wind up in handcuffs if its not in the original bottle with your name on it.

Thank heavens its never happened to me, but I've personally seen it happen to others.

My brother in law is doing 25 years for selling 50 vicodin. Hes in Hardee State Correctional in central Fl. He was a "three striker". Nothing violent EVER. He cashed a couple of stolen checks, got caught with some minor drugs, then they nailed hi on the vikes.

Please believe me when I tell you this. He was a meek little guy. Never been in a fight in his whole life. If you gave him a gun I don't think he'd be smart enough to know how to put the bullets into it. One time I told him if he came near my house I would personally break his legs. He called my Mother in law crying scared to death.

My point is HES NOT A DANGEROUS GUY. Just a real screw up. but he didn't deserve 25 years in jail. I think he should have done a little time (a few years) to scare him strait. The state of Florida and the DEA took his entire life from him.

You could go out , get drunk and kill a whole family and plead it out to vehicular homicide and still not get 25 years.

He had no money, got a shitty PDA and the dope signed whatever they put in front of him. Now his life is basically over.

Sal

Sal,

meaning no disrespect....if that had been your bro-in-law's first offense...I'd buy that he was just a troubled guy who should maybe do a short stretch.
He doesn't have a history of violence but how many times is the state supposed to let him commit crimes only to be released to commit more?

I'm far from a street guy, but I came of age at the dawn of the crack era. Dudes ruined their futures to stand on the corner for basically "sneaker money". I knew of people who made the choice to enter that life and when you do that you accept the legal consequences that come with it. That life is a maze that maybe 15% of guys ever make it out of. Your bro-in-law knew full well what the risks were when he decided to transport.

Fuck that. No one should ever do 25 years for 50 vicodin.

Agree with you, MH.

BUT the mandatory minimums of that state(FL) and for that kind of crime are what they are

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/inde...s/0893.135.html

He wasn't a "dealer". He didn't have the brains to be a drug dealer.

Basically heres what happened. Some undercover DEA guys sent him into a house to sell 50 vikes. When he came out with the money (his cut was probably no ore than 20 bucks) they busted him.

Like I said hes stupid, but harmless.

He signed a bunch of papers that I'm sure he had no idea of what they were. They said he had a really bad PDA.

We have had a couple of lawyers look into his case. All of them said that he signed things that cannot ever be reversed or overturned.

I guess rule number one...don't sell drugs and if you do rule number two if you ever get popped NEVER sign anything.

Please people, I was glad at first when they locked him up because it stopped him from coming around always asking for favors. But hes done 13 years now and as the years pass I get madder and madder that they gave him such heavy time.

In prison he seems like a changed guy. I think hes more than paid for what hes done.

All of you out there with kids, put yourself in my Mother in Laws place. My Father in Law dropped dead of a heart attack two months after they popped him.

Any country that can lock you up for 25 years for 50 pills......Like I said before "The illusion of freedom".

sal

Although I am a big believer in the old saying "don't do the crime if you can't do the time", I also believe the punishment must fit the crime. I don't think that punishment fits a small time dealer. There are child molesters who got less time than that.

and its such an epidemic in this country and at the end of the day if he was strung out on oxies he will still be strung out ons omething in prison so it is not doing him any good staying in there...prison industry is such a big buiness in this country people dont care about rehabbing and just lable someone a druggie and throw them away.....there are people with long rap sheets who dont get that time, but like you said bad lawyers dont help either

fake blues are for sure in the mix these days.. several years ago before they blew up like crazy my buddy bought 600 fake ones.. got burned super bad.. got took for like 8 grand. crazy part was they looked honestly perfect.. they were the (M) brand.. the only give away was after like 30 mins they started falling to pieces.. the tops of all of them were falling off if that makes sense.. and they had absolutely 0 opiates in them.. ive seen another batch of 300 fake oc 80s, right after they got taken off the market and reformulated.. anyways the fake 80s were also dead on.. the time release coating was done perfectly and peeled off exactly like the real ones.. the color was a tiny bit off but unless you had a real one next to it you couldn't tell..only way we figured out was we got some mega junkie to roast some on foil and he knew instantly they were wack..
talk about tons of money to be made with fakes.. they sell the presses for every blue brand and for bars online.. crazy. recently the 2mg Xanax bars are by far the most faked pill on the street.. probably due to their rise in popularity since every talentless rapper talks about popping bars and sipping lean.. and it shows.. guys sound like they got 50 marbles in their mouth while theyre trying to speak.. fucking cant understand anything they say since theyre on the verge of unconsciousness.

accetturo jr is big into the blues down in florida.. and when I say big into them I mean ingesting fist fulls.

Mike cetta and Gianni Iacovo (snitch) both were heavy into pills and they're both dead now found by their kids in their bathrooms with a needle in their arm. If you don't know who they are... Operation heat. Cetta was married to the perna daughter. So Ralph the fathers grand daughter found him. Shit is for real out here. I've lost 8 friends in the last ten months. One two weeks ago. Someone else said it earlier... The pills are top dollar... U can go to paterson or newark and get 4 dollar bags of dope. The transition is fast and deadly.

http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2013/...burglaries.html

Yup that's him. He was bad. His wife owns Napoli pizzeria in Lodi and he took money from the business and put it on the street for joe p. When they got knocked Joey told him to fuck off. He was trying to setup everyone and their mother at one point. I used to like Gianni. I know his kids. He was bad with pills and was kicking bad during the arraignment. He just lost control and in turn lost everything... His family, his name, and his life ultimately.

I'd like to learn how to Peel off the coating on the OP 80's. I heard it involves some sort of burning on the pill though. Never figured it was worth the risk. I get those and the blue 30's from the pharmacy. The worst part of it all is, some people just don't understand that O refuse to sell them because I need them for my health. Lost a lot of so-called "friends" due to that.

Cheese grater.

I've heard that works. Never got the chance to try, lol.

yeah from what ive heard breaking down the op's is a fucking science experiment.. I couldn't tell you first hand cause I personally don't mess with the things.. know way too many people out of control on opiates. things are no joke.
ha funny about your "friends" getting pissed at you for not giving away or selling some of your script.. I know people who all get scripts and its a love hate relationship between them all depending on what time of the month it is.. wont speak for 3 weeks then once they know its their friends fill day they all the sudden want to hangout.

My buddy would put the OPs in the microwave for 60 seconds and he said that would get the coating off.. I mean hey its worth the try i guess.

I think the Colombians use the Dominican Republic as a staging area, a lot like the mob wanted to do with Cuba, I think they used to use Jamaica as well, y the shower posse was so powerful...

Man, you guys need to be careful with those pills. Too dangerous. Too addictive. Stick to booze and weed forget about those pills.

My Dad cut and smashed up a couple time release 30 mg morphine pills for my Mom as he didn't know any better and she was seriously f'd up for a day or two. (She had cancer, used the pills for pain. It hurt to swallow pills cuz of the throat soars from chemo.) Luckily, I was there to take care of her that morning before he gave her another smashed up pill.

I bit into a time released oxy about 10 years ago and was hugging the friggin toilet for 2 straight days. It was fuckin aweful.

that was back when the legit ones were still around.. the one you had the "time release" was nothing more than a latex like coating over the pill.. I know people who would just suck on them or run them under the sink for a few seconds and the time release would be completely removed.. that's why they were so fucking dangerous cause the time release was so easy to bypass.. that's why people loved them too. once you got the coat off you could shoot them, snort them or smoke them.. that's why they ended up reformulating them to what they are now.. now theyre stamped op instead of oc and theyre literally impossible to get through the time release.. its build into the pill now..need a pair of pliers just to break one in half.. pretty soon every pill is going to be like that so its pretty much "abuse proof". I always think about how much money the company must have lost since they reformulated the pills. crazy.

ive seen people do exactly what youre talking about.. people with little to no tolerance chew up a oc thinking it cant be that crazy its just 1 little pill and theyre face turns green after 30 mins and the only reason they can stay awake is cause theyre throwing up every 10 mins.. Can you fucking believe they used to make a 160mg oxycontin???? that would literally kill most people.. that's more than 5 30mg blues in 1 pill! so nuts.

Yea, my tolerance is pretty high, due to my pains I've been prescribed opiates since I was about 15 years old. Started with just regular ol' perc 5's. There was a point where two of those would have me feeling great. Then over time, they just wouldnt affect me anymore, so my docs kept raising doses and experimenting, and this continued for years until they put me on the combo of OP 80's and Blue 30's. Its to the point now where a perc 5 , offers me zero relief.

yeah I feel for people who actually have legitimate pain issues and really need pain management.. these people are put through hell because of all the fucking junkies who act injured just so they can get loaded out of their minds..ruining it for people who really need it daily to have a somewhat productive life cause of the pain..
like I said I don't take any of this stuff cause ive seen the affects first hand.. it ruins lives.. but I understand that there is people out there who are in real pain and don't abuse the shit.
I know someone who got 4 scripts last week.. 120 blues each one! that's fucking 480 blues in 4 days and theyre already gone.. its been like a week...I cant stand the person they sit there all day and act like they take that many cause they have "pain" when the kid has never had anything wrong with him in his life. he fucking has a fake mri for god sake.. I saw him the other day and within a 5 hour period he already took 24 blues in that time period.. talk about someone in need of serious help.
sorry for the rant

I've had a bad back since I was 16, I've gone to the hospital in an ambulance because of it. On my 30th birthday I injured it more and couldn't properly walk for almost 12 months. Now, 5 years later I still have back pain and I know it will never be normal, but now it's as normal as it gets. I would say it took years to get how I am now. My experience about the opiates was, they actually kept the pain alive. As long as I took the strong medication, I had pain. As soon as I started cutting it down and eventually stopped it completely, my body and my back somehow readjusted and the pain went. My physiotherapist said to me, if your body can't feel the pain, how can it fix it? I know it doesn't apply to everyone, but to me it actually was so. Mine was/is nerve pain.