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Posted By: abc123

Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 10:56 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/...igan-republican

PSNI: Provisional IRA leadership did not sanction Kevin McGuigan murder
Head of Police Service of Northern Ireland says PIRA still exists as organisation and individual members were involved in killing of former republican prisoner.

The Provisional IRA still exists as an organisation but its leadership did not sanction the murder of former republican prisoner Kevin McGuigan, according to Northern Ireland’s chief constable.

The head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, George Hamilton, confirmed that individual PIRA members were involved in killing McGuigan.

Hamilton’s confirmation on Saturday that “some PIRA organisational infrastructure continues to exist” will pile further pressure on unionist politicians to pull out of the power-sharing devolved government with Sinn Féin.

In 2005 the PIRA announced publicly through former prisoner Séanna Walsh that it was disbanding its military structures. It was assumed that the organisation had gone out of existence – something which appeared at odds with the chief constable’s assessment.

“We assess that in common with the majority of Northern Ireland paramilitary groups from the period of the conflict, some of the PIRA structure from the 1990s remains broadly in place, although its purpose has radically changed since this period,” Hamilton said.

With the Northern Ireland executive in danger of collapse over allegations the PIRA is still active and killing people, the chief constable held a press conference at PSNI headquarters in Belfast to outline police thinking on the McGuigan murder.

The ex-IRA assassin’s family and republican sources in Belfast insist the PIRA leadership in the city gave the go-ahead to kill McGuigan. PIRA members believed McGuigan was responsible for murdering Gerard “Jock” Davison in May. They killed McGuigan 11 days ago in revenge for the Davison murder.

The PSNI chief constable insisted the PIRA’s organisational structure was there primarily for “promoting a peaceful political republican agenda”.

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However, he said: “Some current Provisional IRA and former members continue to engage in a range of criminal activity and occasional violence in the interest of personal gain or personal agendas.”

Hamilton declined to answer questions if any senior PIRA members connected to the McGuigan murder had links to Sinn Féin’s leadership. He also refused to discuss if any of individual PIRA members with knowledge of the killing once held senior command positions in the organisation.

He said: “We have no information to suggest that violence, as seen in the murder of Kevin McGuigan, was sanctioned or directed at a senior level in the republican movement.”

The chief constable rejected suggestions that the PSNI had come under political pressure in determining that the PIRA leadership did not sanction or organise the killing in the Short Strand district on 12 August.

Gregory Campbell, the Democratic Unionist MP for East Derry,has warned that “there can be no question of devolution continuing” if there is a proven link between McGuigan’s murder and any reconstituted PIRA command structure.

But Sinn Féin president, Gerry Adams, denied the PIRA had been behind the killing and instead chose to attack those who suggested the organisation had carried out McGuigan’s murder. Adams criticised those who had “opportunistically and cynically seized” on the murder to “undermine Sinn Féin’s mandate and the peace process”.

During the chief constable’s press conference, he attempted to link the murder to a group called Action Against Drugs, which he said not only included PIRA members but also ordinary criminals and dissident republicans opposed to the peace process. However a source close to the New IRA told the Guardian that anti-ceasefire republicans played no part in killing Kevin McGuigan.

One man with one-time close links to PIRA and Sinn Féin has been remanded in custody over the possession of a Glock automatic pistol that was discovered at a house in west Belfast during police searches connected to the McGuigan murder investigation.
Posted By: British

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 04:37 PM

Why do we have 3 constant threads on an organised crime forum which seems to pay tribute to terrorists?


Truly pathetic!
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: British
Why do we have 3 constant threads on an organised crime forum which seems to pay tribute to terrorists?


Truly pathetic!


This is what Irish Catholics have to put up with from Protestant loyalists in Ireland. In the year 2015.

Posted By: British

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 05:31 PM

Are you suffering from mental health problems?


Yet again we can all post crap to suit our point of view, firstly there is no such thing as 'catholics' you mean Roman Catholics?

The FACT that the republican movement killed many Roman Catholics seems to be lost on the rabid nuts who really have no idea of the real history they profess to love!

Including the fact that the Irish state shot 77 IRA men during the civil war compared to the 24 shot by the British, so yet again the truth is something different to the republican lies.....

Also there is no such country as Ireland, the 1921 partition led to the free state and NORTHERN IRELAND

Yet again I suggest if there is any admin on this page they deal with the promotion of terrorism on here and we just stick to organised crime posts ???

Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 05:39 PM

Saying those threads pay tribute to terrorists is like saying the rest of the threads here pay tribute to organized criminals. abc123 could probably pursue legal action for what you're saying. So shut up.

The LVF, UVF, UDA and other Protestant loyalist terrorist organizations have killed many Protestants. What on earth are you babbling about?

It's one country, the island of Ireland.

Again, before you start falsely saying that people are sympathizing with terrorists and cause trouble for yourself, I would, kindly, ask you to refrain from making an ass out of yourself any more than you already have.

At least the provisional IRA target drug dealers and not children, like Protestant terrorist organizations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_brothers%27_killings

Protestant loyalists burn three children to death.

Edit: Just looked through the threads you refer to and they also have posts about loyalist terrorists and terror groups.
Posted By: British

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 05:53 PM

All terrorists are scum, all terrorists are cowards, all terrorists kill and murder innocent people.

Those who try and make them out to be otherwise are filth.


This has NOTHING to do with an organised crime forum.


Simple enough for you!!!!!!!!
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted By: British
Why do we have 3 constant threads on an organised crime forum which seems to pay tribute to terrorists?


Truly pathetic!


This is what Irish Catholics have to put up with from Protestant loyalists in Ireland. In the year 2015.





lol clap
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 05:57 PM

Quote:
British


I completely agree with you RE: terrorists.

And come to think of it this thread is unnecessary - but the fact is they resemble an organised crime faction more so than a terrorist group these days.

And the other threads you refer to deal with Irish organized crime, not terrorism, so it's hard to decipher what you are so crotchety about.

And I reiterate again, how is anyone glorifying crime or terrorism of any kind on this forum?
Posted By: Dwalin2011

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: British

This has NOTHING to do with an organised crime forum.

But in Ireland many terrorists and former terrorists have gone into drug business, they interact with gangsters, kill them or take contracts from them, or put out contracts to gangsters to kill other gangsters etc. I mean, all those terrorist organizations are part of the organized crime scene. Pat Nee from the Boston Irish mob had contact with the IRA too I think.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 06:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Originally Posted By: British

This has NOTHING to do with an organised crime forum.

But in Ireland many terrorists and former terrorists have gone into drug business, they interact with gangsters, kill them or take contracts from them, or put out contracts to gangsters to kill other gangsters etc. I mean, all those terrorist organizations are part of the organized crime scene. Pat Nee from the Boston Irish mob had contact with the IRA too I think.


Precisely.

Eastern European gangs are of more concern to them than the British monarchy these days.
Posted By: British

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 06:39 PM

I would rather not have these arguments as I enjoy this forum, could I ask that people understand there are people who don't need this to be honest.

If you must could I respectfully ask that it's just kept on the Irish thread although not sure why there are 3 when it's just all the same stuff.

Again could I ask that you delete this thread and post it in the Irish thread ?

I would be grateful
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 07:03 PM

Former leader of the Protestant terrorist group the U.D.A., James "Doris Day" Gray, left his son to die in agony in Bangkok, Thailand after bringing him to a drugs and hookers party with transsexual Thai prostitutes.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/imported/coward-gray-cowered-as-son-died-in-agony-28219468.html

These are the kinds of people making lives hell for law abiding Irish Catholics and Protestants.
Posted By: British

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 08:35 PM

Lot of sick fucks on all sides, Gerry Adams covered up for child abuse by his brother on his niece


Can point score against each other all day long, this is pointless though!
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 08:54 PM

You know what I find ironic about the prevalence of hate crimes towards the Polish community and the Chinese community in the North of Ireland? The people responsible for the hate crimes are overwhelmingly Protestant and/or Loyalist.

It's not even their country and they are telling other ethnic groups to get out.

The idiots can't even get the Irish flag right. They burn more Italy and Ivory Coast flags on the 12th of July than they do Irish ones.

Idiots...
Posted By: British

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 08:56 PM

If you say so!



Dear oh dear.....
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 08:57 PM

You don't even live on the island of Ireland. I have done. I am in a more authoritative position than you are.
Posted By: British

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 09:08 PM

I come from generations of Ulster folk, lost 3 members of my family to sectarian murderous terrorist scum.

Known lots of others who were murdered, so please do not lecture me!!!!
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 09:21 PM

What do you have to say about three children burned to death for no other reason other than they were Catholic - even though their mother converted to Protestantism to try and avoid the sectarianism and racism?

What do you have to say about the defenceless unarmed men, women and children shot down by British armed forces on Bloody Sunday?

Don't lecture me, British.

Most Irish people just want to get on with their lives. It's the other side who can't and won't let it go.

Hence the 12th July parades, burning effigies and Irish flags on bonfires, marching through Catholic neighborhoods singing sectarian songs, intimidating schoolchildren and writing "Kill All Taigs" on their children's foreheads (seriously).

http://www.thejournal.ie/psni-investigating-girl-with-kill-all-taigs-paint-1570811-Jul2014/

Hate breeding hate.
Posted By: Dwalin2011

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 09:37 PM

Loyalist terrorists or IRA terrorists, what's the difference from the moral point of view? I mean, when the Colombo war between Persico and Orena broke out, who would you people be rooting for? It's scumbags against scumbags. The martyrs and heroes in this story are the killed civilians, both Protestants and Catholics.

I understand that for whoever lives or lived in Britain or Ireland it may also be a political matter, but morally I fail to see any difference between all those terrorist groups, no matter what political ideology they use to cover up their crimes.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 09:41 PM

I think Dwalin should have the final word as neither of us can put it any better than that TBH.
Posted By: Fleming_Ave

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
I think Dwalin should have the final word as neither of us can put it any better than that TBH.


I agree. Both sides in Northern Ireland have dirty hands.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/23/15 10:09 PM

I see what you did there.
Posted By: abc123

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/25/15 02:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Quote:
British


I completely agree with you RE: terrorists.

And come to think of it this thread is unnecessary - but the fact is they resemble an organised crime faction more so than a terrorist group these days.

And the other threads you refer to deal with Irish organized crime, not terrorism, so it's hard to decipher what you are so crotchety about.

And I reiterate again, how is anyone glorifying crime or terrorism of any kind on this forum?


Some person on this thread who never reads the Irish OC ? but is never off the Irish threads WHAT A JOKE.

THERE is a number of threads on shooting hits taking place in Canada they are never on the same thread about Canada are they ?

Any posts from Ireland is from the MSM and are what is in the news at the time.
Posted By: rockstar_man45

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/25/15 10:07 PM

There's a reason why the Pope didn't visit the U.S. until the sixties.

Did you know official Catholic doctrine towards Protestants described them as heretics and therefore should be burned at the stake until 1959?

Of course the Church hadn't been practicing that policy for years but it was still there nonetheless.

Anti-Catholic sentiment in the United States and England stems from years of threats and abuse from the Church and majority Catholic countries. Think of Spain trying to invade England in 1588, or King Louis XIV revoking the Edict of Nantes putting thousands of Huguenot Protestants at risk. Many immigrants to the United States were persecuted Protestants from Germany.

Obviously both sides have committed atrocities towards the other. No one side is innocent, but anti Catholic sentiment is not without its roots from very bloody times.

Moe you have to realize that much.
Posted By: sbhc

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/25/15 10:09 PM

Is there any truth to the rumour that Loyalist and Republican gangs are working with each other in the fuel laundering rackets in Northern Ireland?

Also what's the current status of the RIRA in the south, are they still extorting Dublin drug gangs or did that all stop when Alan Ryan was killed?
Posted By: abc123

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 08/28/15 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: sbhc
Is there any truth to the rumour that Loyalist and Republican gangs are working with each other in the fuel laundering rackets in Northern Ireland?

Also what's the current status of the RIRA in the south, are they still extorting Dublin drug gangs or did that all stop when Alan Ryan was killed?


http://www.herald.ie/news/suspect-in-bmx...s-31481164.html

Suspect in BMX shooting paying 'protection money' to dissidents.
Posted By: abc123

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 09/02/15 02:20 PM

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gar...a-31496291.html

Gardai are following the 'money trail' linked to IRA.

Garda Commissioner Noirín O'Sullivan has assured the Government the force will continue to "follow the money trail" linked to former Provisional IRA members who are involved in criminality.

Ms O'Sullivan was called to Government Buildings to brief Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Tánaiste Joan Burton amid growing concern over claims from the PSNI that the PIRA still exists.
Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald and Foreign Affairs Minister Charlie Flanagan also attended the meeting, ahead of their crunch talks with the Secretary of State to Northern Ireland, Theresa Villiers.
Ms O'Sullivan and Ms Fitzgerald also met on Monday to discuss the fallout from the Provo controversy ahead of the meeting with the Taoiseach.
Well-placed sources said the Commissioner yesterday briefed Mr Kenny and his Cabinet colleagues on ongoing Garda operations relating to former members of the terrorist organisation.
It was pointed out that the Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB) have a number of cases before the Special Criminal Courts involving former members of the Provisional IRA.
"We outlined the success we had with CAB in targeting people who had associations with PIRA and who, since the peace process, are involved in criminality - there have been significant successes in this area," a source told the Irish Independent.
The source added: "These guys have been involved in criminality for a long time. They are well used to channelling funds through different accounts, different companies and different fronts. The difficulty is following that money trail."
An Garda Síochána's work on cracking down on dissident republicans was also highlighted during the meeting.
Discussions between gardaí and the PSNI on the murder of Kevin McGuigan in Belfast was also raised.
After the meeting, Mr Kenny said it was clear from the PSNI's views that IRA members remained involved in criminality - but not terrorist activity.
He also attacked Sinn Féin by referring to the use of "safe houses" by members of the republican movement to cover up sexual abuse.
Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams hit back at the Taoiseach and warned him not to "play politics" with the murders of Mr McGuigan and Gerard 'Jock' Davison.
Mr Flanagan raised the possibility of bringing back the Independent Monitoring Commission to Northern Ireland after meeting with Ms Villiers, who also supported the proposal.
Irish Independent
Posted By: abc123

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 09/02/15 02:25 PM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cab...ity-351162.html

CAB to give overview of republican criminal activity.

The Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB) is to supply an updated analysis of republican criminal activity to the high-level Garda assessment on the status of the Provisional IRA.

CAB will provide a report on organised crime gangs operated by members and associates of the IRA and an assessment of where the tens of millions of euro earned by it is going.

The development comes as Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald again questioned where the profits earned by republican gangs end up.

Last week, she requested a “fresh assessment” by gardaí into the status of IRA activities following PSNI statements that members were suspected of involvement in the murder of former IRA prisoner John McGuigan.

Security sources said CAB assessments to date have not found evidence of the IRA’s continuing existence as a criminal organisation. CAB has targeted current and former IRA figures, some of whom head organised gangs earning tens of millions of euro from fuel laundering and cigarette smuggling.

Agency experts attempt to follow the “money trail”, much of which goes abroad.

They try to estimate how much goes to the crime gang, how much goes to dissident republicans and, if any, how much goes to the IRA.

Senior sources confirmed that CAB will provide an updated report for the new assessment.

As part of Operation Loft, targeting IRA figure Thomas ‘Slab’ Murphy in 2013, an estimated €1.1m was frozen in bank accounts by CAB.

In July 2014, Leonard Hardy, an IRA bomber, was convicted of failing to pay tax returns valued at €280,000. He is repaying CAB almost €500,000 based on earnings from cigarette smuggling.

Last January, he and his wife Donna, also a former IRA member, were arrested in Spain in an operation resulting in the seizure of €5.5m.

Meanwhile, former head of the Garda Special Branch Kevin Donohoe said: “There is no doubt republican activity and criminality is thriving, but it’s a long way from that to saying the Provisional IRA is operating in southern Ireland.”

Based on his time as chief superintendent of the Special Detective Unit, between 2009 and 2013, he said the “Provisional IRA didn’t, and doesn’t, exist, as it did previously”.
Posted By: slumpy

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 09/02/15 11:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
You know what I find ironic about the prevalence of hate crimes towards the Polish community and the Chinese community in the North of Ireland? The people responsible for the hate crimes are overwhelmingly Protestant and/or Loyalist.

It's not even their country and they are telling other ethnic groups to get out.

The idiots can't even get the Irish flag right. They burn more Italy and Ivory Coast flags on the 12th of July than they do Irish ones.

Idiots...


How do you mean? The protestants have been living in Ireland for generations. It's not like they just came over six months ago.

(btw ABC, I read everything you post on this stuff, thanks a bunch man)
Posted By: abc123

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 09/08/15 12:04 PM

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ira-was-most-ruthless-killing-6399424

RA 'was the most ruthless killing machine in the western world', Northern Assembly told.

Democratic Unionist peer Lord Maurice Morrow spoke the words during a debate on the killing of Kevin McGuigan in Belfast.

The IRA was the most ruthless killing machine in the western world, the Assembly has been told.

Members debated the killing of Kevin McGuigan in Belfast by members of the Provisional IRA last month.

Democratic Unionist peer Lord Maurice Morrow said the organisation had been responsible for four murders since the ceasefires which were supposed to have ended the decades-long conflict in Northern Ireland.

"No one needs any reminding of the ruthlessness of the Provisional IRA, the most ruthless killing machine in the whole of the western world."

He said now was a "watershed" moment for Northern Ireland.

He was debating a motion on the killings of Mr McGuigan and Jock Davison in the Stormont Assembly.

"This is not the first murder, this is four of recent times excluding those that have gone before that."

Others he connected to the IRA included the killings of Robert McCartney in 2005 and Paul Quinn in 2007.

Ulster Unionist Mike Nesbitt said his members would not be voting in the Assembly debate.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) has said the IRA still exists but Sinn Fein has said it went away a decade ago.

Mr Nesbitt said: "Sinn Fein and the PSNI need to be on the same page about the condition of the IRA in 2015 otherwise there is no confidence, there is no trust, there is no credibility."

Senior Sinn Fein member Gerry Kelly said it was a pseudo-crisis manufactured by political unionism and that the IRA left the stage in 2005 and was not coming back.

"Whosoever was involved in those killings, whatever connection they may claim to Irish republicanism, they are criminals who have been involved in murder."
Posted By: abc123

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 09/08/15 12:11 PM

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/provos-panic-as-drug-gangs-500k-is-taken-31505392.html

Provos panic as drug gang's €500k is taken
Border money-laundering in disarray after cash and woman disappeared three weeks ago.

Border members of the Provisional IRA are said to be in a state of disarray after a huge sum of cash has apparently gone missing from one of their money-laundering fronts.

The shock over the loss of the money is said to be compounded by the fact that a young female employee, who is understood to have been 'close' but not related to one of the top criminal/IRA families, may be involved.
It is suspected, local sources said, that the money - put at just under €500,000 - went missing around the same time as the young woman, about three weeks ago.
To make matters worse for the Provos, it is also understood that a large part of the missing money belongs to one of Dublin's notorious drugs gangs.
The Sunday Independent understands that the loss of the money has not been reported to police on either side of the Border by the company or the family that runs it.
The front business is actually inside Northern Ireland but in an area close to the Border that has been described unofficially as being "very lightly policed" by members of the PSNI.
Sources have told this newspaper that a number of drugs gangs in Dublin and the Leinster area have been laundering their cash through the Provo front businesses along the Border because these are regarded as 'safe'.
No senior IRA figure has ever faced criminal prosecuted for running any of the money laundering or other IRA crime businesses in the Border area. It is this apparent lack of police and Revenue scrutiny on either side of the Border, sources said, that has been attracting the cash-rich drug gangs to launder their money through the Provo-controlled front businesses.
The family said to have been hit by the recent 'loss' owns several businesses and is also understood to have extensive property holdings on either side of the Border. Their main business is diesel 'washing' and smuggling.
One source said: "They're going mad over this. The whole country's talking about it. There was a 'creditors' meeting and they were all called to (a Border hotel) to meet the boss man. He hadn't much to say to them."
It is understood the 'boss man' of the operation is the civilian lieutenant of South Armagh's top Provo, the head of a criminal empire estimated at generating €70m in profit a year from international people, fuel and tobacco smuggling and a variety of other criminal activities.
The 'boss' is also the father of the young married man said to have been given the job of running the front business that suffered the loss.
Money-laundering has long been one of the Border IRA's central business pillars, which is why the missing money is said to be causing something close to panic.
Local sources said that as well as the cash, the company's 'legit' books are said to have also gone missing. These could prove explosive in terms of any prosecutions for money laundering, as the amounts of cash going through the business do not reflect the amounts claimed as 'assets' in the company accounts. The figure given in their company accounts is in the low six figures.
The exact amount of money missing from the business is not known, with sources saying that not even the family is aware of the exact amount due to the very large amounts of cash they are used to handling. But business sources in the Border said it would be very likely that the 'business' involved is known to handle six-figure sums at any given time.
It is said that if the family owners have to personally make up for the missing money, the aggregate loss would be 'not far off' a million euro.
Although there has been a great deal of speculation about the value of the Provos' crime empire - which Sinn Fein's opponents claim is being used partly to finance 'political' spending - well-placed sources said that it is much more than the last known 'official' estimate of €500m.
This figure was attributed to a 'Department of Justice source' in 2005. That disclosure came at a time when the government was applying pressure on Sinn Fein and the IRA in the aftermath of the December 2004 £26.5m (€36.3m) robbery of the Northern Bank and the murder of innocent man Robert McCartney in Belfast the following month.
One source who spoke to the Sunday Independent earlier this year said a 'likely' value for the IRA's financial holdings is €800m to €1bn, but this cannot be verified.
The organisation had very senior financial figures acting as advisers and is believed to have disposed of large amounts of its property portfolio in Ireland when this came under garda scrutiny around 2005-2006.
Luckily for the Provos, this was just prior to the economic collapse when property prices were still inflated. They are believed, however, to have suffered a very substantial loss with the 2008 Wall Street collapse where they were said to have had US$200m in investments.
It is also believed much of the IRA wealth is held in 'offshore' accounts and property investments in Eastern Europe and Portugal.
The Provos' business empire was under close scrutiny by the Garda's Criminal Assets Bureau up to 2005 but after the IRA issued a statement saying it had 'dumped arms' in July that year, sources said investigations were wound down.
There was one major but botched operation against the IRA business empire in the aftermath of the murder of Det Garda Adrian Donohoe in January 2013. A then 'teenage tear-away' relative of the 'royal' Provo family at the centre of the missing money is one of the suspects in the murder of the detective.
The affair is of considerable interest along the Border area due to the fact that the family involved is one of many who have become very wealthy in the years since the IRA called its ceasefire. Many of these newly wealthy 'republicans' are known for their ostentatious lifestyles. Modern mansions have sprung up in what were formerly known as Provo strongholds. High-end 4X4s and, for the wife, expensive saloon cars are the common form of family transport.
Many have sent children to expensive universities but other off-spring, many in their 20s and 30s, remained in the family's criminal businesses.
Common among the families is open support of Sinn Fein, despite the fact that Gerry Adams has stated many times this year that those responsible for the fuel and other illicit enterprises along the Border area are "criminals". Local sources said Adams' repeated denunciations of the Border 'criminals' has been unsettling for many of the families who have been heard openly criticising the Sinn Fein leader of 32 years.
Local sources said that when Adams turned up at an IRA commemoration in March this year and privately asked that the local families to tone down their criminality, he was told to: "F**k off."
Sunday Independent
Posted By: abc123

Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 09/10/15 04:04 PM

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday...s-31479701.html

Smuggler: I regret sending guns to Provos
"My guns may have been used in 'criminal' hit on Kevin McGuigan," claims gunrunner Mike Logan.

By Suzanne Breen

A Florida stockbroker turned gunrunner says he fears he may have sent the IRA the gun used to murder Kevin McGuigan.

Mike Logan says he posted the IRA around 200 handguns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition during his five-year gun-running career which began after the Provos’ ceasefire.

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The man he says was his IRA contact in the smuggling operation was Sean ‘Spike’ Murray who was part of a Sinn Fein delegation which met the PSNI Chief Constable George Hamilton yesterday to discuss claims of IRA involvement in the McGuigan murder.

In an exclusive interview with Sunday Life, Logan said: “I now massively regret every weapon I ever bought for the IRA. Unfortunately, I think there is a very good chance I could have sent the gun that was used to kill Kevin McGuigan.

“I am horrified at his murder. Kevin was a father of nine, a grandfather, and a former IRA prisoner. The very idea that I sent a weapon which may have been used to shoot him, in front of his wife, makes me want to puke.

“I am totally distancing myself from such attacks. I am appalled that guns I sent are being used to police the nationalist community. I wash my hands of it all. This is criminal, not political, activity. The war is over.”

Kevin McGuigan was gunned down outside his Short Strand home almost a fortnight ago. The PSNI believes IRA members were involved.

The IRA believed that McGuigan had been the gunman who shot dead their former Belfast commander, Jock Davison, in May.

Logan, who is third-generation Irish, starting sending weapons to the Provisionals in 1995. He worked directly for Spike Murray, the head of the IRA’s Northern Command, who has served seven years in the H-blocks for explosive offences.

Logan travelled to Belfast to meet Spike Murray and pick up the IRA’s shopping list of arms. He revealed to Sunday Life that, at one meeting, Murray brought along Jock Davison: “I remember it well. We met at a GAA pitch near the City Cemetery.”

Murray sent his trusted IRA ally, Conor Claxton from west Belfast, to join Logan in Florida in 1999 to increase the volume of guns.

Logan hid the guns and ammunition in children’s toys – mainly fire engines – and posted them to Ireland. One weapon was used by the Provos to murder two policemen in Lurgan in 1997 and another killed Real IRA Belfast commander, Joe O’Connor, three years later.

Last Thursday, 53-year-old Patrick Fitzpatrick appeared in court charged with possessing a Glock pistol with intent to endanger life.

He had been interviewed by detectives investigating the murder of Kevin McGuigan. A police officer told the court that the Glock’s identification markings had been removed.

Logan said: “I sent Spike Murray about 25 Glocks and compact Glocks which are very rare. Spike told me that the IRA didn’t have Glocks. ‘If you can get them, that would be great’, he said.

“The IRA didn’t have any other route established of getting these weapons. As far as I’m aware, the only Glocks the IRA possess would have come from me.”

Logan said that Conor Claxton removed the serial numbers of the guns he personally sent to Ireland. “Conor used a tool called a dremel, it’s a mini-grinder, to file off the serial numbers.

“I never did this with the weapons I posted but the IRA may have removed the serial number after the guns reached Ireland. But it’s really easy for forensic experts to use acid to retrieve the serial number and trace the weapon.”

Logan said that he once asked Spike Murray if the IRA wanted AK-47s: “Spike said he didn’t. It was pistols the IRA were most keen to get hold off.

“In hindsight, I can see why. They wanted to use these guns in their own community, to control any opposition, to intimidate and eliminate any threat. There would be no need for AKs in small neighbourhoods like the Short Strand.”

Logan said he had believed the IRA wanted the weapons for “a campaign to force a British withdrawal and united Ireland”.

He said: “I thought they’d be used against military targets, not against civilians. The IRA lied to me as they lied to everybody.”

Logan was given immunity from prosecution by the US authorities in 2002 in exchange for giving them information about the weapons he had bought for the IRA.
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Victims of IRA 'should get assets of Gaddafi held in UK'

Hundreds of millions of pounds of Colonel Gaddafi's assets held in the UK must be used to compensate victims of Libyan-sponsored IRA terrorism, MPs have been told.

At least £900m (€1.2bn) of the dead dictator's fortune has been frozen by the Government and an Act of Parliament could release it to those bereaved and injured in IRA bombs, according to a leading lawyer.
Jason McCue, who for 10 years has been attempting to extract compensation from Libya for the victims, was giving evidence to the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee.
He accused former Labour prime ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown of putting commercial and diplomatic interests ahead of justice in their deals with the regime.
He said while the US, France and Germany had negotiated multi-million pound settlements with Gaddafi for its citizens impacted by Libyan-directed terrorism, the UK failed to lobby for similar pay-outs for IRA victims for fear of jeopardising lucrative oil and arms deals.
"What you see is a policy of arms, oil and creating a partnership with Libya, Gaddafi, which puts justice issues and victims as a complete secondary class in everything," Mr McCue told the committee.
Semtex

The lawyer was giving evidence at the start of the committee's inquiry into how the Government handled the issue of compensation for UK victims of IRA bombs manufactured with Semtex provided by Gaddafi. He claimed Mr Blair prioritised a BP oil deal and a weapons agreement that would have seen Gaddafi purchase a Jernas missile defence system made by part UK-owned manufacturer MBDA, over the issue of compensation.
Mr McCue questioned the logic of this policy given the ultimate demise of Gaddafi and his regime in 2011.
"I would ask you to look at the facts now," he urged.
"Where is the Jernas £400m deal? Not happened. Where is the BP deal that was going to make 13 billion? Not happening in that country any more. Where is our special relationship with Libya? Zero.
"What have we missed? £400m to these people (the victims) who then could have been using this to recreate their lives after they were destroyed by this rogue regime. It is an incredible incompetence of positioning and strategy."
He said the current British government was refusing to act to release the frozen assets to compensate victims.
Irish Independent
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Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 09/10/15 04:14 PM

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Sinn Féin 'shocked' at Bobby Storey's arrest in Provisional IRA murder probe.

Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams has he was "shocked" by the news that senior party member Bobby Storey has been arrested by police investigating a murder by Provisional IRA members.

Mr Adams said he was gravely concerned by developments surrounding the murder of Kevin McGuigan, saying that was "no rationale, logic or evidence to suggest there is any organisation in mainstream republicanism except for Sinn Féin".

Speaking to RTÉ's News at One, Mr Adams said the IRA, as people knew it, was gone.

He said there is no reason why he would be telling any untruths about the "going away of the IRA".

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“Sinn Féin, and others, have built a better process than war. There is no reason for any of us to be telling untruths about the end of the IRA.

"We are not accountable to the murders of Kevin McGuigan and Gerard Davison, and nor are the people who elected us."
The Sinn Fein president described Mr Storey as a valued member of Sinn Fein's leadership and a person of great integrity.

The party's northern chairman, Mr Storey was detained today in connection with the fatal shooting of Kevin McGuigan in Belfast last month.
He was speaking following the arrest of three men, including the party's northern chairman Bobby Storey, in Belfast this morning.
Two other men were also arrested, well-known republicans Eddie Copeland and Brian Gillen.

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Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams3
Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams
Mr Adams said the PSNI must be allowed carry out its investigation.
“Bobby is valuable and trusted member of our leadership... and I would presume he will be released soon," Ms Adams told RTÉ's News At One.
“I have grave concerns about how all of this has developed, including the arrest of Bobby Storey,” he said.
He later added: “He is a long standing friend of mine. I first met him in the cages of Long Kesh when he was very young man and the rest if a matter of history.”

“[Our party] is very clear that the PNSI must be supported in their investigation into the killing of Kevin McGuigan and Gerard Davison, and we’re mindful that two families have been bereaved."

Mr Adams said the murders of Mr McGuigan and that of Gerard 'Jock' Davison in May were being used in a 'contrived way' in an attempt to exclude Sinn Féin.

"Lets be mindful of the agendas being served here. I have grave concerns about how all of this current crisis has developed since the dreadful killing of Kevin McGuigan, and am mindful in recent times that two families, the Davison and McGuigan families, have both been grieved."
He added: “I noted a remark from the Taoiseach that I need to exert more control over former members of the IRA. I can’t exert control over former members of the IRA,” he said.
He added: “No more than the Taoiseach can be responsible for former members of Fine Gael or Micheál Martin can be responsible for former members of Fianna Fáil. We have repudiated it, we have condemned it and we have made it clear they do not do this in our name.”
The Sinn Féin leader claimed the potential for a breakdown of the talks at Stormont House was more to do with ongoing competition between the UUP and DUP.

Read More: Inquiry into garda killing of Real IRA raider opens

He described the battle between the unionist parties as "wrong" and "reprehensible politics of the lowest kind".
Victim: Kevin McGuigan was shot dead in east Belfast3
Victim: Kevin McGuigan was shot dead in east Belfast
The PNSI have said the murder of Kevin McGuigan was not sanctioned by the IRA.
A police assessment of IRA involvement in the killing has brought the power-sharing institutions in Northern Ireland to the brink of collapse.
The arrests, made in north and west Belfast, take to 16 the number of people detained as part of the murder investigation to date.
One man has been charged with weapons offences.
Mr McGuigan, a 53-year-old father-of-nine, was gunned down outside his home at Comber Court in the Short Strand area of east Belfast last month.
He was suspected by some in the republican movement of involvement in the murder of former IRA leader Gerard "Jock" Davison close to Belfast city centre four months ago.
Police believe his killing was a revenge attack by Mr Davison's republican associates.
Although detectives said individual IRA members were involved in the shooting, they have said there is no evidence to suggest it was sanctioned at a senior level.

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Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) Chief Constable George Hamilton has also said the IRA is not engaged in terrorism but instead is pursuing a peaceful, political republican agenda.
The political fallout from both murders has had major repercussions for the devolved Assembly, with crisis talks on-going at Stormont in a bid to save the stumbling institutions.
Sinn Fein Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness insisted Mr Storey was a key advocate of peace.
"I was surprised to learn about the arrest this morning of our six-county party chair Bobby Storey," he said.
"Bobby Storey played a leading role in the development of Sinn Fein's peace strategy and is a long standing and loyal supporter, defender and advocate of the peace and political processes.
"We look forward with confidence to his early release."
Mr Storey’s arrest comes as the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) threatens to bring down the power sharing executive in Northern Ireland over claims from the PSNI that certain Provisional IRA’s structures still exist.
Mr Adams said there is “only one republican organisation involved in the republican struggle” and that is Sinn Féin.
“You don’t have to believe me. You can believe whoever you wish,” he added.
He said his party was willing to go before the electorate in the North if the DUP pulls out of Stormont.
“Sinn Féin is very happy to go before the electorate with our record and with our vision for the future. At the core of this is an attempt to exclude those who vote for Sinn Féin and we will not tolerate that,” he said.
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Re: Provisional IRA still exists. - 09/20/15 08:10 PM

BBC Spotlight: The IRA – Have They Gone Away? – Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isf_jeiKbGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyCzbZA2...tion_3800042555
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