gangster report:Chicago Outfit struggling

http://gangsterreport.com/chicago-mafia-grand-ave-crew-feeling-absence-of-bobby-panozzo/


Albert vena is struggling to make ends since panozzo was busted there drug and robbery ring weak

To be assumed, I mean, shit this is the sorta financial/business, "bottom line" kinda thing that works as an easy metaphor to the civilian (pun intended) business world. Other than some great tidbits of Chicago Mob history, there's much discern as to whether or not this is harming the overall family.

To be honest, I've become more and more modest of how I perceive the day to day actions of the Chicago Mob. It's essentially a street operation, a la the Philly Guys, but differs in the fact that Chicago, in my eyes, is far less involved in street, or "gangster" type activity. Think bookmaking and connected loan sharking, not drug dealing and hanging out at social clubs or cafes. Call it a Midwestern niceness thing.

He is very close with albert vena who is a well known drug dealer and capo he is all blue collar he is crazy and I mean crazy he only got made capo because there was no one else who could fill the spot.

Yes most of the outfit is moving away from street stuff but Albert vena blue collar is also he knows and say what you want about this guy he kicks up tens of thousands to Albert vena well I should say he did robbery and drugs was his main rackets and albert is struggling no doubt about it the guy is not smart enough for anything like white collar scams

Interesting benign article.

So I'm assuming the Outfit guys fall under the 6 in the pen since they associate with the Deuces.

jail is separated on racial boundaries

outfit guys hang with other white criminals

You know very well that I'm being sarcastic and no there's whites in different mobs.

What makes it a "crew" if the removal of one coke dealer collapses it.

x2 sounds like a thin crew to say the least.

Scarfo Sr had a few black dudes with him in a prison photo lol

it was not one "coke dealer" there was 8 or nine arrested

nor is the crew "collspsed" the crew is still there the article even says they replaced the guys who got arrested the problem and the articles point is they dont earn like the guys arrested which is causing all the problems

Are we going to start to doubt all of Scott's articles now? The article is obviously saying the crew is still around, but the drug guys who were arrested were the earners and kept the crew earning, the guys who replaced them, aren't drug guys, thus are having trouble keeping up with the earning prowess of the guys before them.

http://aboutthemafia.com/chicago-mafia-absorbs-blow-westside-wiseguys-bite-the-dust-in-bust


these are the guys arrested. Remember bobby had his own crew of guys who are kicked up to bobby so he was a major earner

scott even says that they replaced the loansharking guys its the drugs they are struggling in

Who knows. Most of this stuff is speculation.

If you are a coke dealer of any proficiency at all you don't need to go around doing a bunch of other stupid s$it.

Are you even reading the articles? He made a living out of robbing drug dealers then selling the drugs on. He dealt cocaine yes but on a small scale which he got of robbing drug dealers most of the indicment is bead on the robbery he cut one guys ear of and tried to have a govt witness whacked.

Like I said before he is not some "coke dealer" he had 5 guys reporting to him the biggest earner albert vena had.

Read the indicment he was making huge money out of robbing drug dealers so he is not exactly "stupid" and he was around Joey before the family secrets trial he has been a big earner for years

I don't see scotts articles as "speculation" I think they are interesting and accurate but believe what you want

Yes, I read all about this in the news when it was going down.

You are the one who apparently isn't reading the article.

"He was known to earn heavily off the drug ops, lining his and Vena’s pockets handsomely, per sources, with his control of a wide section of the westside cocaine trade in Chicago. "

So believe what YOU want.

He got the drugs of robbing people I meant the other article not scotts one. He robbed drug dealers then sold it he is hard to replace

You don't control the west side drug trade by robbing drug dealers.

You first lash out on me for expressing skepticism on Burnstein's article and now you choose to wholly ignore it.

I TEND to think what is left of the Grand Ave. Crew is a ragtag handful of career criminals operating at about 1/1000th of its former capacity.

You are free to believe otherwise.

Don't worry gangsterreport if you aren't saying the Outfit is finished and there is nothing to talk about then Jonny does't believe you.


While I agree that it saying he controlled Chicago's west side cocaine trade is an overstatement, it is quite possible he controlled the Outfits west side cocaine trade. But let us get this straight if you are a gangster in the Outfit or New York for that matter you never put your eggs in one basket, loansharking, burglary, theft, fraud, prostitution, and selling coke where things Bobby Pannozzo was good at ,so that is what he did. That applies everywhere in the mob, even back in the old country. There is rarely anyone in the mafia that only does one thing.

Believe whatever you want. This is what a successful cocaine dealer looks like:

$1.8B in drug money over 14 years in Chicago.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-chicago-brothers-drugs-20150127-story.html

If you want to believe that anybody who was even a moderately proficient cocaine dealer would need to f$ck around with burglary, etc., I guess we have a divergence of opinion.

Part of the reason I think the Outfit is so weak is because of stuff like this. I do believe the guy was high up on Grand Ave. I also believe he seems to have been running around like a chicken with his head cut off.

Anyway, I have had people who I believe are very well informed tell me privately that they think I am pretty much correct with the gist of my assessment of the state of the Outfit, and that is enough for me. We'll never know.

You guys can keep stuffing every two bit third cousin of a mobster whose family now owns a tire store under "capo" and "consigliere" on new charts until you're blue in the face.

This.

A successful drug dealer doing B n E's?
Hysterical.
The money in coke is astronomical.
A drug dealer he may have been. A successful one he was not.

You need some reading comprehension. We are not talking about two rat brothers who worked for a cocaine cartel, whom are also involved in prostitution and burglary and everything else, if these two piss ants were told to go break in a house they would, so u keep believing yourself and your "private admirers". We are on a mafia forum talking about the Chicago Outfit, and if you think Albie Vena is some two bit chump I dare you to go tell him so. Michael Magnafichi bout shit his pants when Joe Fosco brought his name up, and I'm sure Michael knows more than you and the people whose names you can't say.

The other interesting point is how much structure the Outfit has left if high profile guys are getting their hands dirty.

Panozzo's the eqivilent of a captain in NYC and the Guys doing B n E's?
Imagine an article of Barney Bellomo in NYC getting done for burglary.
It has to speak to the end of the barrel, top guys doing street work.

Agreed 100%.

Jimmy Marcello was even driving around collecting his own video poker loot before he got busted.

If you are interested, the person knew Albie very well, and seemed to insinuate that he was largely removed from the day to day activity of the young bucks. Basically kind of retired.

I tend to believe what that other guy who used to post here said. I forget his name; he hated me. Anyway, eventually he was adamant that Cicero was really the only active crew.

I don't know that for a fact but if I were to bet, that is what I would bet.

Joey Lombardo was doing B&E's during the early 80's and had oversight of Las Vegas. Chicago guys have always done work, and Panozzo was a guy who had his own crew and was not even second in the Grand Ave crew, Spina is. Barney Bellomo is alot higher up in the Genovese than Panozzo is in the Outfit, you are comparing apples and peanuts, but it fits your agenda so have at it. Jonny says Jimmy was driving himself around collecting his own money. Where is the proof or link or did you just make that up?

It was evident from transcripts in the Family Secrets FBI evidence archive, which I believe has since been taken down.

Barney and Panozzo same status...priceless.

I appreciate the help in arguing my point

Panozzo is not a capo he was a soldier with his own crew I am not even sure if he was made. He just kicked up to Albert vena

Vena was hardly going on these scams


But I agree the outfit is a shadow of its former self


There three active crews everyone else are loosly attached guys mikuakee for instance

My apologies for the comparison then. I was under the impression he was boss of a crew. Consider the comparison withdrawn.

How did that help you at all, the Outfit was very powerful then. You proved my point when you mentioned Panozzo in the same breath as Bellomo.

That is still up and what you said is nowhere in there. If you want to see it ask snakes or faithful they are the ones who showed me where it is. There are photos of his guys dropping poker machines off at bars and clubs and there are transcripts that talk about collections, but it is very obvious in the transcripts that Jimmy is not doing the collecting.

#jonnytrolls

Well, the link I used to go through is dead. If you have another one, I'd love to see it.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/hot/familySecrets.html

Right. Look at the history of the Outfit. Major, huge busts from the 20s-early 90s.

Has there been an arrest/charge for anything of substance since the Indian casino thing in the early 90s?

I am genuinely curious.

wasnt he a driver for a capo / boss when he was younger, too? poor guy got stuck driving his whole career in the mob it seems

Nah. Not a one.

There really hasn't. Family Secrets was all old.

There is absolutely nothing indicating they weild outsized influence on unions, gambling, or anything else of substance these days.

If you think I'm biased , I would consider that I bet you, I, and every other reasonably well read poster shares remarkably similar views in the strength, size and influence of the Outfit from Capone-80s or 90s.

It is only the present day where we diverge.

Saying Panozzo is the same rank as Bellomo is just laughable. No point of even discussing Chicago on here with the complete lack of knowledge.

There was plenty of new gambling charges and a few cops were also indicted for helping the Outfit in the present day but nothing of substance in the Family Secrets trial. Like I said you want that link ask Snakes or Faithful1.

There have been several. To name a few...

2000 - Centracchio bust

2001 - The Carusos and Lombardo Jr kicked out of Laborers Union

2002 - Cozzo bingo bust

2003 - Crazy Horse Too bust in Vegas

2004 - Hired Truck Program busts

2005 - Family Secrets bust

2006 - Saladino gambling bust in Rockford

2009 - Sarno bust

2010 - Franco bust

2013 - Carpelli bust

2014 - PK crew bust

You refuse to see what is right in front of you, and claim things that didn't happen. The Outfit is not the old Outfit it is how it is now. I will leave you with this since you love the Cartels. Why is Panozzo and members of his crew not dead for robbing Cartel stash houses if the Outfit has no power? The Cartel could have him killed in any prison in America in the blink of an eye, but havent. This isn't a James Bond movie they don't toy with their prey. Why is he not dead?

Ive posted apologies and a withdrawal Nicky.
Thats not good enough? Because if it isnt your just a fan boy not wishing to engage in a discussion.

I stopped reading once I read that and posted. All good pal.

You consider hiring a thug to break someone's legs a major bust?

Even Sarno was busted for burglaries, basically, if I remember correctly.

Family Secrets was like 90 percent from pre-80s.

This kind of stuff has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of rackateering they used to get caught for.

There has been nothing even remotely of the scale of PENDORF/STRAWMAN or even GAMBAT and there never will be.

Cheers. Appreciated mate.

I suppose "significant " is relative. For example the 2006 bookmaking bust in Detroit was significant for that family considering there aren't many cases there these days. Something like that in NY would be rather unremarkable.

The Sarno bust was significant because he was acting boss of the Outfit at the time. Fencing stolen goods was part of it but the main charges centered around video poker machines. That was also among the present day charges in the Family Secrets case. Most of the stuff that went back years were the murders.

The difference between the Outfit decades ago and today is certainly obvious. But there is still plenty of activity to show the family is still there.

Completely agree

The sarno case included blowing up another poker machine rivals building

I think the action suggests massive fracturing and likely a bunch of individuals working very loosely in what amounts to a post-Outfit capacity.

Consider that all of the old people -- Andriacchi etc. -- do not care about the state of the Outfit. What they care about is not going to jail. I tend to think they have been distancing themselves for as long as their wealth, status and legitimate interests have allowed.

The Grand Ave. stuff is pretty weak.

Cicero would appear to be the only really active crew, and it would appear they have really down scaled.

It seems they are basically engaging in a variety of low key illegal street-level activities that has thus far allowed them to slide under the radar.

But there is not much evidence that they have the kind of influence or scale that were hallmarks of the Outfit from inception until roughly 2000.

Just my observation. I could be wrong, just as we could all be wrong.

here is all the articles I could find on the outfit recent history some really interesting articles. I am not sure if you will be able to see the older scott articles



http://aboutthemafia.com/chicago-outfits...vena-leadership

http://gangsterreport.com/chicago-mob-state-union-still-flying-15/

http://gangsterreport.com/chicago-mafias-video-poker-overlord-lands-back-in-outfitland/

http://gangsterreport.com/marino-tapped-look-north-suburbs-chicago-mob/


http://gangsterreport.com/american-mob-news-notes-chicago-new-england/

http://aboutthemafia.com/chicago-mafia-enforcer-get-15-years-in-prison

http://aboutthemafia.com/chicago-outfit-mobster-rudy-fratto-back-in-action

no family has ever been or will ever be arrested for a strawman or gambit scandal again

that ain't a good argument plus 20 keys cost a lot of money so dude earned pretty decent

family secrets pinched the street boss and the consigliere

the fbi arrests you for what they can arrest you for

sarno was the street boss when they pinched him for old crimes

People forget what the story is about they loaned 300k to a guy who said he was going to use it for his car dealership instead from what i hear the guys father was a degenerate and gambled it all away so mike Davis an associate reached out to solly D who reached out to johnny who was going to do it for 10k come on 300k is a lot of money I can see then going to the extreme.

Mike davis threatened the debtor to kill his whole family this sent the guy running to the Feds

Johnny also threatened to kill the guy who flipped he told the guys friend to tell the rat what happens to rats well the friend tells the Feds what happened the idiot gets his bail revoked

The DiFronzos were both mentioned in mike davis trial as was solly D including johnny no nose



http://gangsterreport.com/midwest-mafia-bulletin-chicago-detroit/

Jonny NoBallz is just trolling. The guy who owed Mike Davis money was the nephew of Ron Serpico, the Mayor of Melrose Park.

The Serpico family is very connected and I think his brother Phil (who owns Phil's Sports Bar in Elmwood Park) is probably a made guy.

Davis is also very tied in with Ed Heil and his money and I think he has a job currently at Heil's landfill in Plainfield.

the guy gambled all mikes money away I have no sympathy for degenerates

Wow... they're everywhere! An invisible, internicene web of extraordinary power!

I'm freaking out!

Yeah, cause that's exactly what he said.

Carparelli was arrested with $175,000 located by the feds in his house. From what I father, Carparelli was also on the low end of the totem pole. Per his own admission on the wiretap, he had minimal contact with the Outfit bosses. I think he said he had never met the DiFronzos or even Solly D. So if Carparelli, being on the low end of the Cicero crew's totem pole, had $175,000 cash in his house when he was arrested, there must be money to be made somewhere.

@jonnynonos

Chicago's mob pretty much operates anywhere in the state they can get a racket going

go to the casinos in northwest Indiana and see how many Italians work there

the difronzo's did construction for Chicago public schools, that's proof of corruption


@Chicagofan

carparelli was a lake county guy with his own crew of criminals

There is no real Lake County crew. The Cicero crew has historically had a lot of guys in Lake County, but Carparelli was from the west suburbs. The printing company was in Carol Stream, a western suburb.

Carparelli was on tape saying he did not really know Solly D or the DiFronzos personally. Therefore, he is definitely not a made guy as Solly D was the Capo of Cicero. Carparelli at best was an associate, who travelled around with associates of his.

It is also interesting to note that Nick Ferriola worked at the same printing company, yet was not tapped to handle these activities. I take this to mean that Ferriola is a made guy and these activities were delegated to a lower ranked associate of the crew.

Does anybody know the name of the printing company in Carol Stream?

Bump.

Any of you Windy City guys know this? I've been in printing almost 30 years in Illinois and at this time, the face of the business is changing big time.

Just curious - that's all.

American Litho Inc.
175 Mercedes Drive
Carol Stream, Illinois 60188-9314

Thanks, slick.

How so? Just in general?

Lots of printing companies are for sale in Illinois because one of the major printers filed bankruptcy in the past year.

They are currently being "courted" by many suitors interested in purchasing them. It will change a lot because some plants will be dissolved entirely, selling off equipment, some companies are being bought solely for the work they do and it will get distributed to other existing facilities.