Scarfo did NOT turn on Salvie out of the blue...

Ok I myself have blamed Scarfo for turning on supposedly his most loyal war capo Salvie Testa. And I keep reading this in thread after thread so we're all on the same page

BUT......

Having read nicky crow's "B&H" book again, he says "Tommy del comes by and says "faffy buried Salvie last night. He was telling Scarfo that he was into drugs, wanting to start his own family, he's out of control".


So I would like to point out contrary to our beliefs- yes Scarfo was responsible for Salvie's murder seeing he was the guy who okayed it. But, it was all the guys under Scarfo that convinced him/ conned him into believing Testa was a threat

Scarfo did not have any ill will towards Salvie before he headed to La Tuna to do his gun charge. Scarfo did not have any problems with Salvie during his stretch. Because if he had, it would have been taken care of

Instead, Salvie's problems started the minute Scarfo got out because he wrongly waited for Scarfo's release to break the engagement- thinking Nicky will have his back

Now, everyone says Scarfo's paranoia made him turn against Tommy del too, but again Tommy found himself in the exact same situation as Salvie (only that the rumors were true). tommy del was abusing his position and pushing people around. Word got back to Scarfo. Nicky crow was called in to discuss the Tommy del issue whereby Scarfo announced he was taking him down. Nicky crow says, " I knew he couldn't fool u nick".

But yes I agree Scarfo could have prevented it out of respect for Phil Testa but ultimately he knew Chuckie would not accept anything less.

I posted all that in the thread last month.
Sure take the Crows word over mine ...lol

I was just going to say this, this was all discussed in a thread before, in depth. So Scarfo just whacking him out the blue isn't really "everyone's belief".

Salvie got whacked because the people who were behind killing his father didnt want him seeking revenge. Old Italian thing as in The Godfather when they were looking for vito when he was a boy. They didnt find him to kill him and he got revenge. The people who killed his father were very high up even above Scarfo and Scarfo was following orders from his superiors. Who ever ordered hit on the old man is responsible for kid too.

We have been posting about the Westside triple cross for awhile but have no real proof ,if that's what you are saying ??

Not just the Bruno hit !!But a few of them !!

Excuse yourself from this forum please if this nonsense is what you're going to continue speaking. Everyone knows why Salvie was killed. Everyone knows who killed his father and who was involved, and Salvie & Scarfo made sure that those involved all died, except for one.

Serp the only one I think knows what went on is maybe Scarfo Jr and Merlino Jr. because there fathers did and they might have trusted there sons enough to tell them. No way did Scarfo discuss serious business with his crew he had out on street robbing,killing, and shaking down. Even Leonetti was more like a bodyguard then a underboss and someone may have said that there was meetings he came out of in new york where he didnt tell Phil what was said. My quess is new york was behind it not some other crew in philly but who knows.

Phil wasn't allowed to sit in on Scarfos meetings with the Genovese anyway at the time because he wasn't high enough in stature at the time. And Nicky told Phil everything, Everything. Which is how he knows about what happened during those meetings anyway. When Nicky was in La Tuna, Phil was basically boss of everything in AC and met with the guys from NY, Jersey and Philly. He wasn't just a bodyguard.

Now you're saying here Salvie was killed on orders of the Genovese, because they killed Phil Testa, and they didnt want Salvie finding out. Despite the fact that Salvie went on to live for years after his fathers murder, was loyal to Scarfo, rose to Capo, and posed no real threat at all to the Genovese....Come on, man. And you say you have no proof of this, but for some reason you think only Scarfo Jr. & Merlino know about this...

Just don't see what they had to gain.(New York)

The other skippers got Sal's rackets ..

Way above my pay grade ...

Right on, Serp. NY had nothing to gain from murdering Salvie Testa, they didnt get any of his rackets, that went to the other skippers in Philly. The Genovese didn't gain anything from Phil Testa's murder really, other than a better relationship due to Scarfo becoming boss. Heck for years, even into Merlino's run as boss the Genovese were still plotting to get some rackets going in Philly, unsuccessfully I might add.


And just to add on, it was the Genovese who proclaimed The Chickenman would be the next boss anyway after Bruno. So what you're saying Italy is they placed a new boss on top, just to kill him merely a few months later. Makes ZERO sense.

Point was Scarfo was told to kill Salvie by someone above him and very few people know who that was. I am not one of the people that knows and I highly doubt any of the guys that are in the mix now do either. They made the right move though because when and I say when not if Salvie got the power he would of turned over every rock looking for info on his dad. Unlike Narducci who let it go and was left alone

Whatttt???? Scarfo killed Salvie because of Chuckie Merlino, Faffy Iannerella & Tommy Del being in his ear. End of. You have no proof of your claim, can't seem to provide any logical reason why the Genovese would place Testa as boss, kill him, and then kill his son YEARS AFTER THE FACT. You say you're not one of the people who knows who this mysterious higher up was, yet are sharing this misinformation as if you clearly know. Which one is it? Either you know or you don't...

This is what is hurting this forum and others like it, people who are clearly, blatantly telling lies, to the point where someone who doesnt know any better, might actually believe it.

I think he's trolling, he has to be.

OK Sinatra you win. The version I was told has it going a little higher up the ladder then that but if your story is right then fine. We will go with that. Not out to prove anything was just just sharing info. For now on if I have any questions on Philly you will be my go to guy.

Don't make me your go to guy. There are others who are a lot more informed on Philly than I am like Serp, NickyWhip & Spmob just to name a few. Your story or "the version you were told" is just clearly bullshit.

Not sure how the words were typed but bottom line is there was some people who were worried about Salvie getting to much power and coming for revenge. And that definetly didnt help his cause.Sinatra are you even from the philly area I see you posted on all different topics. Or are you a "MOB EXPERT" lol

Let mne quess Sinatra you read enough books to be in the MOB right?

Yup. Same clown that came on here a year ago after having a stroke and made a bunch of threads about Ligambi being a snitch.

Nope. I've just learned enough about this specific subject to know your story is bullshit, thats all.

OK so you researched it. LOL OK I got it.

Hey Sinatra all that time you spend reading Mob books you could get an education in something that pays good instead. Then maybe you can get a job and get out of that section 8 apartment you live in.

I'm a commercial art major in my third year of college. Never been on Section 8 either, my man.

Lmao. All this because I disputed your bullshit with knowledge and facts. Nothing wrong with a person educating themselves in a subject which may interest them. But carry on.

Facts and knowledge you got from reading the crow and ralph prevites books.FREAK I actually know people that did business with Bruno and Testa and are still alive. And Salvie wouldnt drop the issue he wasnt going to quit until he thought everyone involved with his dads murder was dead. So they killed him

But, he did think everyone involved in his dads murder was dead, because he killed them, then went on to be a loyal, subordinate, caporegime under Scarfo. But whatever you say, man. Lol. The other guys have already told me about you, which makes it pretty obvious that you don't know anyone who worked with Bruno or Testa.

Again I didnt read the boks or watch the documentaries so I dont know what you are talking about sorry. Its getting late put the dress on and hit the streets. I know you get all dolled up dress, heels, wig and all

How many times did you read Prevites book anyway? Tell the truth I know it was more then once

Sinatra: Ignore him.

italy100 earned a month vacation and SinatraClub is now warned. Stop this childish fighting!!

Why was I warned? Not trying to be the one to question authority but I'm genuinely curious. Is it like verbal or an actual infraction like on some other forums? I simply responded on topic with what I know regarding the situation, for the most part.

You were warned to stop the flaming remarks. Calling someone out is one thing but telling them that they're full of shit after going back and forth is another thing and it is something that won't be tolerated. If you have an issue with another member, take it off the boards and if that doesn't solve the problem advise one of the moderators. We'll do what we can to resolve the issue.

Listen, we know that sometimes members are goaded into going off (as I feel you were, above) but that doesn't excuse your response. We're trying to maintain some civility here.