Any real connection between LCN and Freemasons?

Anyone got info on connections between LCN and the Freemasons? What's the link or the relationship, if any?

Specifics, anecdotes or well-documented stories that can be cross-referenced are ideal for me.

Stefano Bontade had connects to p2, Toto Riina had connects to masons as well...

Leonardo Messina said these mafiosi were freemasons:

Toto' Riina
Michele Greco (boss of the commission)
Francesco Madonia (boss of Resuttana in Palermo)
Stefano Bontate
Giacomo Vitale (a member of the Bontate family)
Mariano Agate (boss of Mazara del Vallo in the Trapani province)

Also, in the Trapani province were freemasons:

Natale Rimi (one of the Alcamo bosses)
Natale L'Ala (boss of Campobello di Mazara)
Mariano Asaro (one of the Castellammare del Golfo high-ranking members)

I don't know for US,but in Italy mafia has very strong connections to the freemasonry.

The "secret" part of 'Ndrangheta called La Santa is full of freemasons.

So, broadly, it would be more common for Italian mafiosi to be Freemasons than American mafiosi?

I think this topic is going to get confusing... Freemasons say they are bound by strict codes of ethics and morality. Many judges, politicians and police are Freemasons - now we find out gangsters are, too?

What can you tell me about 'P2' - is that the same as the Opus Dei religious sect who torture themselves as religious penance?

Thanks in advance....

Haha, Freemasons claiming they are "bound by ethics and codes" is similar to LCN claiming to never dabble in drugs.... Oh and the 10 commandments

If I remember well, the mafia banker Michele Sindona and the Argentina dictator Jorge Rafael Videla were members of the P2.

It's not just P2 there is P3 too.It groups up all the most powerful people of the country:politicians, businessmen, judges, secret service members, police and carabinieri captains, mafiosi.

Silvio Berlusconi is a member too,a lot of generals from army etc.

My youngest son is a mason. He was vouched for by his friend who was a mason.

There are people in the masons who have a lot of power in all different fields. So if a mason needs help with something some other mason might help you.

I did not know how to use that help. My son does not talk about it much it is a secret organization.

I just know he goes to meetings every so often in a tux.

many mafiosi in italy have been masons going back a hundred years..

Boy, you guys are really getting into some serious shit, now.. Now I know it's just a movie and all, but remember when Michael Coleone was talking about the "real cosa nostra"?

What's the connection ?!?

They are the brain behind the mafia,they are almost untouchable by the law or anyone else.When Giovanni Falcone was killed,the mafia just did the dirty work,someone else organized it...Secret Services,politicians etc.

This is getting ridiculous..i thought the santa/easter bunny cabal controlled the underworld syndicates..

They must have a thing about joining secret societies.

Lol, really! I agree there is some overlap between them.. The depth of it seem pretty deep in some places. I assume depending on necessity.

the masons, are very, very old, and extremely powerful.

George Washington was a mason, as was Benjamin franklin, and many others whom I cant recall at the moment.

franklin Delano Roosevelt was a mason, and changed the dollar bill to include the pyramid and the eye, both masonic symbols.

Whats ridiculous is how scared people get when you mention masons. Like this is fact, p2 existed. Secret societies exist, what do people think the show True Detective is about? Detectives? lol

This is what mobster francesco "frankie the strangler" di Carlo had to say,

"I was not the one who hanged Calvi. One day I may write the full story, but the real killers will never be brought to justice because they are being protected by the Italian state, by members of the P2 masonic lodge. They have massive power. They are made up of a mixture of politicians, bank presidents, the military, top security and so on. This is a case that they continue to open and close again and again but it will never be resolved. The higher you go, the less evidence you will find."

This excerpt is referring to the murder of God's banker Roberto Calvin who fled to london after losing the Vatican vast sums of money

It was the mafia who carried out the dirty deed, on behalf of the P2 lodge

I'll add that the fact Calvi was found hanged under Blackfriars bridge speaks volume. It is known that masons commonly refer to each other's as "friar" therefore to be hanged under Blackfriars bridge bears significance seeing Calvi lost their money

They had him on a boat and could have got rid of his body in multiple ways ie throw him in the river Thames..that would have been the much easier option. Plus it would still be considered suicide. Or make him do the Houdini (dismemberment)

The killers had to carry dead weight up scaffolding and hang him under the bridge which was no easy task. They were sending a message

Like i said they are brains behind the mafia,but they are almost never brought to justice.I don't know for the US,but in Italy they are very well connected with mafia.

P2 lodge are not a formally recognised lodge, there is no connection with freemasonry and the LCN. There may have been some guys who were members, but they joined as an individual and not as representatives of any organisation.

And if anything came out about their law breaking they would be thrown out..

i don't know in the states but in italy the connections between italian mafia and freemasons are very strong and old... several members of mafia and ndrangheta are freemasons and not only member of p2 but also other official lodges
even tot riina was a freemason and it represented cosa nostra as a whole

You are wrong with this one.Freemasonry in Italy is very close to the mafia,not just the Cosa Nostra but the 'Ndrangheta too,you might want to read about "La Santa" that is secret part of 'Ndrangheta.

Yes they would be thrown out in England or whatever other state,but in Italy it is different story completly.

P2 doesn't exist today,it is P3 now.

The Santa was an innovation in the traditional stratification of the 'Ndrangheta introduced in the early 1970s to maximize the power and invisibility of the most important bosses. Security concerns led to the creation of a secret society within the secret society. Membership in the Santa is only known to other members. Contrary to the 'Ndrangheta code, it allowed bosses to establish close connections with state representatives, even to the extent that some were affiliated with the Santa. These connections were often established through the Freemasonry.

Things within things.. Strings pulling strings, where does it end?

Isnt Jay Z a freemason or some shit?

Yes, Jay Z is - so is Leonardo DiCaprio and the actor from Seinfeld called 'Cosmo Kramer' (Michael Richards) - he was even on the front cover of the monthly Freemasons magazine at one point.

I am researching freemasons for a media thing and one researcher who has been feeding me his research has already been threatened by the masons.

"People who research this stuff end up dead" is what they told him.

That was after the masons located him, contacted him (they were unknown to each other at the time), and asked if they could visit his home to talk about what he knew.

The information I have discovered so far is scandalous and explosive, but it will be a long time before the doco film ever gets finished or released, if ever.

The say Jay z is Illuminati.. FWIW