Why doesn't Orena just start ratting on everyone?

Think about it, he is no longer a member of the Colombo family because he got booted out? is that correct?

Anyway, if that is the case then he owes the Colombo family NOTHING.

I'm wondering why he would rather sit in the can till the day he dies to protect the Colombos who don't want to even fucking know him.

He could of pulled a Sessa and been out in a few years, or is it a case of Sessa ratting all the good info leaving nothing for Orena to use in a cooperation deal?

If he was lower ranked he probably would have. But no one want's to be infamous within OC, and the rest of the world for that matter, as the second boss to rat.

Yeah he's got big rep in OC but he ain't involved in OC anymore so why does he give a flying fuck about what they say about him in the history books.

If Orena cares that much about his reputation in OC that he is willing to spend the rest of his life in prison then the guy is fucking nuts.

You could say the same about Gigante, Persico, Scarfo, Gotti, Genovese etc. for that matter then

Gigante, Persico, Genovese and Gotti were still the family bosses when they were inside so different situation for them and Scarfo has always been a nut case.

Some people are men and do their time like men

And I am sure Orena deserved the time, even though he was framed by that rat aids fuck scarpa and the dirty fed

why does everyone get this point of view mob guys just rat left and right

Probably no one left to snitch on..everyone is dead or in jail.

Because only the rats make the front page. When a soldier or a low profile skipper take it on the chin for a RICO predicate or what have you--and it happens A LOT more than when guys rat--you don't even hear about it if you're not a local or a mob groupie.

As cliche as it sounds, he took an oath and will never break it, he deserves to die in prison, but at least he took it like a man.

he also has sons in the street..they would all have to consider leaving. they are very rich

First of all who is he going to put away Carmine ,lil Allie Boy , and if he did he has all the male boys in his family to put there heads on the chopping block ...You have to remember that family will shoot just like Philly ! And like I posted a few weeks back the grandsons were up at Carmine's upstate estate , it seams like they are mending old wounds !

The voice of reason. Neo to answer your question after 1 year of any federal conviction you can't cooperate its over. Oreana been in 23 yrs. Like they said maybe he's a old time gangster that took his medicine like alot others. I think just the threat of the death penalty makes all these guys flip fast nowadays. Joel eagerly could have took a deal and Tommy shots them guys are stand up and in front of the death penalty.

Orean's sons are still involved? I thought they'd have been shelved after the war.

Tommy shots is in so bad health a death sentence would be ideal, he could die any day.

That's all it is, a threat. They haven't executed a wiseguy in over fifty years. Look at the Basciano farce. They got their guilty verdict, but they were NEVER getting a New York City jury (Federal Case, but the jury pool is still gonna be made up of locals) to give him the needle. Not for those murders. Talk about a waste of Federal Tax Dollars .

Tommy shots is in so bad health a death sentence would be ideal, he could die any day.[/quote]

I hope he does.

Tonight.

Vinny would have took the needle, regardless. It's just a scare tactic to get these guys to flip. Do any NY guys get executed? I honestly have no idea, I know they do out west and down south in the states.

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I hope he does.

Tonight. [/quote]

If you google diabetes I'm sure you'll see Tommy's face.

The next time a NY guy tries to flip after his verdict, they should say no. Set the precedent that it isn't happening. More guys would flip sooner.

That's all it is, a threat. They haven't executed a wiseguy in over fifty years. Look at the Basciano farce. They got their guilty verdict, but they were NEVER getting a New York City jury (Federal Case, but the jury pool is still gonna be made up of locals) to give him the needle. Not for those murders. Talk about a waste of Federal Tax Dollars . [/quote]

Agree, complete waste of resources.

The dollars they spent on bullshit like this should always be used to stop Terrorist hitting our Homeland, not neighborhood guys busting out tax free money and disciplining eachother.

And to remain on Topic, Orena is Old school, just like the man he had by his side. Wild Bill. He would have done the same but they both got railroaded from inside by their own, with the help of the Fed, the Fed who should have been doing real work to protect us.

He's a little late for that. Off the top of my head I can this of multiple bosses who ratted. Casso, Massino, Natale...definitely more than two,and then there's underbosses like gravano and leonetti. Even luciano did some talking at one point.

I wonder if a consigleire has ever ratted while in office.

There's no death penalty in New York State anymore. It was briefly back on the books back in the '90s, early 2000's, but never used. It was the Feds looking for the death penalty in the Basciano case.

Although they did give it to Ronell Wilson for killing two New York City cops, right around the same time as Vinny's death penalty case. But again, they took that case Federal and gave it to him using the Death Penalty for Cop Killers Act. Ironically, it was in Brooklyn Federal Court with Judge Garaufis residing.

Two entirely different cases, though. The jury looked at the two guys that Vinny was convicted of killing (bottom feeding criminal lowlifes), and compared to Wilson (he killed two innocent cops who begged for their lives), Vinny's crimes looked like jaywalking charges.

Alphonse "Little Al" D'Arco,,,, not consig but acting UB

PB, correct me if I'm wrong, but NYS law has nothing to do with a federal trial.

See the kid from the Boston bombing. Death penalty in a federal trial, in a state where the death penalty no longer exists under state law.

Ah, wait, I see now where you mad the distinction. I misread

The blog father can't die. If the feds need your cooperation and its been over 365 days of your conviction. They'll find a way to get you on a new case so you flip on that and they can ask a judge to resentence you on the new crime ala Burt Kaplan in the mafia cops case. He was 9 in on a 27 piece. He died at home.Celtics just drafted another pg wtf. Bet if Madonna gets indicted for anything to do with that meldish murder they'll talk the dp. There probably already probably trying to make them to guys life hell at rikers trying to make them say Madonna told me to do it if there's any smoke there fire saying.

Next time be more careful .

A mob boss who supplied nicky Barnes in the 70tys that did 20yrs still ordering hits in this day that sells paper and makes careers. Watch.it's like Frank white in king of new York throw in the shit about the guy was a leader of the purple gang has ice in his veins. Mo is in the making.

That is true. However, no other boss has been called the biggest rat since Massino. Its because he was the official, not acting or underboss. If Orena did choose to flip it would be all of the papers, even if it isn't as a shock like Massino or Gravano its still bad.

Btw, didn't that Luciano tactically snitch on himself or was it something else?

Wasn't Carmine Sessa the consigliere or was he acting?

I would have said the same thing about Massino.....but look what happened.

Apparently he ratted when he was young to avoid a minor prison stretch but in his defence he was only young at the time.

I believe he was the official consigliere but a poor choice by Carmine.

Vinny's been in prison going on eleven years, and he's never coming home. He'll be lucky if he ever gets out of SuperMax. Massino flipped fifteen minutes after they said the word guilty.

I get your point, though. Massino was revered on the old boards. When he flipped the fanboys were brokenhearted. Your point being, you never know. But at this point, it's safe to say that Vinny ain't ever gonna rat.

I think Orena didn't flip because after the war with the Persicos his sons or relatives can turn back in the family and made money. He was almost 60 so made the life and who's alive and on the street made money.

I know that in prison has become close to religion and helps to serve the wine and the host during Mass, maybe he realized that he must serve his sins on earth to aspire if not to paradise, at least to purgatory, but it's just my opinion.

He is still a made guy till the day he dies, and still socializes with made guys, including bosses for other familys(former or argument for current).