State of the KC family

Yes and you got those listed names from who, oh yeah me. We can argue this for ever Wiseguy, I stated the last time we went through this that there were 23 made members left and gave you the list. Now subtracting the number that have died since I gave you the last list the number is now 16 +/- 2. The FBI has never released a report indicating the size of the family. At their largest they were said to have had 40 or so members.

[quote=joey_dice]Yes and you got those listed names from who, oh yeah me. We can argue this for ever Wiseguy, I stated the last time we went through this that there were 23 made members left and gave you the list. Now subtracting the number that have died since I gave you the last list the number is now 16 +/- 2. The FBI has never released a report indicating the size of the family. At their largest they were said to have had 40 or so members.

Yer sure man no worries.....you know what you know. I waa just wondering. Some good intel there though fella.

Imprisoned Members

Joseph Porrello Fort Worth FCI Release Date: 02/15/2025
John Calia Butner Low FCIRelease Date: 09/11/2020
Vincent Pisciotta Bastrop FCI Release Date: 03/31/2030
John Mandacina Greenville FCI Release Date: LIFE

This is a 2008 chart

Boss: Joseph Sciortino
UnderBoss: Peter Simone
(Kansas City has never had the rank of Consigliere)

Current or recent Capains include William Cammisano Jr., Vince Civella, Angelo Porrello,prison James Duardi.dead

Soldiers/Associates -

1. Peter Tamburello dead
2. Jack Lascuoladead
3. Joseph Porrello prison
4. Nick DiGirlamo asscociate
5. Anthony "Tony" Simone made
6. Philip "Phil" Simone dead
7. George Chiavola dead
8. Joseph "Joe" Ragusa retired
9. James Moretina
10. John Calia/61 prison
11. Salvatore "Sal" Mandacina died in 2012 dead
12. Joseph "Joe" Mandacina associate
13. John Cuezze associate
14. Peter Ribaste
15. John Costanza dead
16. Carlo Cavallaro dead
17. Frank Tousa dead
18. Vince Picone died in 2007 dead
19. Eugene "Gene" Picone retired associate
20. Frank Deluna associate
21. Benjamin "Ben" Palmentere
22. Robert Gulotta
23. Joseph Barletta associate
24. Nathan "Nat" Brancato
25. Thomas Fontanello dead since 84
26. Phillip Saladino
27. Nicholas LaBruzzo
28. Richard "Rick" DeLuna dead
29. John Termini
30. John Glorioso
31. Salvatore Agrusa dead
32. Pasquale Sellaro dead
33. Samuel Scardino dead

4 capos 33 made men


http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/search/label/Kansas%20City



Civella-Vincent b.1957 capo
Moretina-James b.1950 capo


Agrusa-Salvatore b.193?- dead
Barletta-Joseph 1961- associate
Brancato-Nathan Nat status unclear
Calia-John 1945- prison
Cammisano-Jerry 1953 Sol
Cavallaro-Carlo 1944- dead
Chiavola-Anthony Snr. 1948- dead
Chiavola-George 1939- dead
Civella-Vincent 1957 Capo
Cuezze-John 1961- associate
DeLuna-Frank 1940- retured associate
DeLuna-Richard Rick 1942- dead
DiCapo-James* 1952- associate
Glorioso-John 1941- status unclear
Lascoula-Jack 1940- dead
Lombardo-Michael* associate
Mandacina-Joseph associate
Moretina-James 1950
Palmentere-Benjamin 1949- Sol
Picone-Eugene 2000- retired associate
Picone-Marc Anthony associate
Pisciotta-Vincent 1954- Sol
Ragusa-Joseph 1940- Sol
Ribaste-Louis* 1946- dead
Salardino-Phillip retired associate
Sansone-Anthony* 1942- associate
Sansone-Michael* 1960*- dead
Scardino-Samuel 1966- Sol dead
Sciortino-Sam* 1942*- Sol associate
Scola-Dominic associate
Simone-Anthony 1950- Sol
Simone-Phillip 1972- dead
Termini-John 1939- associate

2 capos 33 made men

they have currently 33 made members? if so it is a viable family

That chart is one of the phony ones posted on the RD forum years ago. Much like the BS ones that showed 30 members for Milwukee and 20 for St Louis. Anyone who believes these numbers is either delusional or simply ignorant. St Louis has like 2 or 3 members left. Milwaukee I'm not sure has any. Cleveland has 7 or 8 tops. Kansas City we have always seen big numbers for but I don't find them believable. It's been years - decades really - that we've seen any kind of official figure by the Feds for KC. That itself says something. And they certainly no longer consider it a viable family. You can also make a relative guess by looking at other Midwest families. Chicago, for instance, is said to have around 30 members at most and is still recognized by the Feds and has had far more activity in recent years. Yet we are supposed to believe Kansas City has as many members? No way. I'd be fairly surprised if KC is over 10 at this point. People need to start looking at the evidence and stop looking at these charts (unless they are from a handful of proven posters - we know who they are) at face value.

Insn't that Vince Piscotta in nick for burning out a restuarant or something......dice.....you think the rat would of killed the gay kid.....seems a bit harsh.

Really enjoyed this thread , thanks guys . Love reading and studying the smaller families . I also agree that if the Chicago outfit is down to 4 crews and around 35 made guys then the other mid west families r finished , in my opinion the KC mob died with the civella's

That's what I have been saying since the first post in this thread. I hope people disregard Furio he is still arguing that NO is still viable. However that does not change the fact that there are still 16 made men in various activities from prison, to retired, to active still around, does not make for a family though. With the number of guys in their 70's I expect that this number will take a considerable hit in the next few years. I predict that there will be as few as 8 guys left by 2020. The families decline accelerated with the death of Tony Civella in 2006 and really took a hit when Tuffy died in 2008. Johnny Joe Scritino, Pete Simone and Willie Cammisano jr. are the last of the gangster from the mold of the old school.

The Kansas City's Little Italy name is Columbus Park and for me it's strange that don't find thugs with italian surname to fill the ranks,when happened the last induction ceremony ?

Furio wherever your getting your info is so out of date its not even funny. Columbus Park used to be Little Italy but that area has not been Italian for over 15 years. The area is now inhabited by Asians and yuppy white's. In this area the only Italian businesses you will find are Garrozo's restaurant, the Caddy Shack Bar and the Don Bosco center for old people. The mob moved north to Clay county which is north of the Missouri river in an area known as Gladstone. That is where the Italians have moved to.

I am curious to know how you came up with the number 10. It has been 10 since the day I first came on the boards and we have deaths since then, 10 seems to be a magical number which has never been substantiated. Please tell me where and how you came up with that number, tell me what number you started with before subtracting the dead and tell me how you came up with that number. Now I am in no way arguing the that KC is viable which I have stated many times it is not.

By the way the feds have NEVER released any information with the total numbers for KC, not even decades ago your talking out your ass with that one.

As far as I can recall, I've never stated a specific number for Kansas City because there isn't one. Though I don't believe the feds "never" gave an estimate at some point down through the years. Just that there hasn't been any estimates given, nor has Kansas City been on any official list of remaining families, in at least the last 15-20. In fact, it may be back as far as the 1988 "25 Years After Valachi" report where we saw it on any kind of official list.

Now is it completely out of the realm of possibility that KC still has 16 living members? No. It just strikes me as rather unlikely. As stated before, I count something like 24 members/possible members who have died since 2000. Now, for the sake of argument, suppose only half of those were actually made. Add the 16 you are saying are still alive and that's nearly 30 members still living in 2000. 40 if we count all two dozen names on that list of dead since 2000. Does 30-40 KC members still living in 2000 strike you as believable? Heck, even the AmericanMafia article on KC, which has been around since about that time, didn't cite that many members.

As I've also said, look at other families in the Midwest. St. Louis has 2 or 3. Milwaukee would likely be no more than that, if any at all. Cleveland something like 7 or 8. Chicago - the biggest and most active Midwest family - at 30 tops. But Kansas City - which has shown very little activity in recent years - still has 16 members?

Or look at Buffalo. I think few would try to argue that Kansas City has more members left than Buffalo, considering the latter is in the Northeast. The FBI had 23 remaining members in Buffalo in 2006. Now the family has had at least 11 members/possible members die since then which would put them at a dozen or so. Yet KC has more?

So there are no young thugs with an Italian background in KC who would become involved in that family?