Nicky Scarfo Jr Sentencing Postponed

Nicky Scarfo Jr Sentencing postponed

Thanks for update.

I have been hearing all kinds of thing from people close to Nick that went to a hearing or one of his family told I really should not say.And it is possible they have the copy's of what being said in court.Don't know for sure.

Amouso keeps coming up as boss ,out of the mouth of FBI from what I am hearing.(but most know he is boss weather a lighting rod or what ever)
Everyone keeps saying that the moneys Perna was / is kicking up unseated Nick jr as skipper ,not true Pernas kicking up anyway no fucking choice they kick or Die...

The whole thing was Nick jr getting a lot of made guys from other families to join him in taking some rackets form Philly.Don't know if it was a take over .

There is many reasons why he was doing this at this time .
money ,power ,and Skinny still in the can at the time and uncle Joe would have had to go along cos his Boss is Nick jr father was also pulling strings while there was lots of money to pull it off.Only if NY said yes ....

Now if it would have went through with out Amuso knocking Nick jr. down then it would have happened.(uncle Joe would of had to go along).

I know many don't get what I am saying ,but it will be coming out or is already out (some of it is )there was three or more families in this scam .
Nick jr. was not put down to soldier cos of Pernas money ,he was put down for not clearing this take over it through the bosses.

There is more to it ,cos it possible it was cleared by someone in NY but the other or ruling panel shot it down.
This all depends who is the real boss of the Lukes.

This is old news but many don't know that the Gambino's around or before this were close to taking out the Philly administration meaning the top three I would guess.
This was also comfirmed by Feds .

It is looking like Amuso is boss but just the head with say ,just will be over ruled if that is possible.
I will be hearing more of this as long as the people still are going to court or getting some type of copy's of whats going on .

I hope this came out legible" ,if not I am sure someone can put it right .....

Thank you for the inside scoop serp

Honestly, I think the reason he was attempting it (in a feeble manner I might add) was to please his dad or a push from his dad from jail. Sick old man still trying to take over from jail. lol. Same reason he will never rat. (At least as long as Sr. is alive.)

He would have been crushed. He had zero Luchese support. His main guy Pelullo was a Godfather wannabe, and he approached a half crippled Chang brother. Some army he was cooking up! Jr is no tough guy.

I bet he skips the mob all together if not for his father pushing him into it. He is a bright guy. Earn circles around most of the guys in Philly.

But that "take over" was an absolute joke.

BlackJack : Sal had zero to do with the Philly thing ,Nick jr. had other made guys from his family and a couple other families...And it was not a very good thing when the heads of the family found out ,and or other made guys that were not included in the so called take over ...You will here more about what I am saying ,if it's not already in the papers etc.. But the old man stuff is probably right ,if they could have taken hold the little guy would have been calling some shots . And that would have been some interesting times again ...

He would have been calling all the shots. Well as much as he could through jail using JR as his proxy, that was his plan anyway. I can imagine how much he is seething to get a hold of his nephew.

I only heard of him reaching out to Chang really. I thought he didn't have much or any support from the Luccheses's or any of the guys in his crew he used to head.

A few questions

A.Who else was he trying to get or have on his side from Lucchese's?
B. It was one of the Perna's who took over his crew after he was bumped, correct?

Anyone know who that crew consisted of?

Which other soldiers did he have support from in which family? Or you don't know or are waiting for word to come out from the trial?

We should know, it should have been presented in court I would think.

Does it ever occur that perhaps Nick Jr. hasn't flipped has little to do with his father, in the sense of him being afraid of his father, and that Nick Jr. is just built tough like that? Which doesn't mean he has to be a tough guy or a kneebreaker, he just believes in old school LCN values, taught to him by his father. Pelullo wasn't involved in this so-called "Philly Takeover", and it's questionable how Nick Jr. used him anyway, as in most of those meetings in which Pelullo were recorded, Nick Jr wasn't present for any of them, and Pelullo would just mention Nick Jr. as being the power behind him. No Lucchese support? The guy was a capo at one point, his crew alone would of had to have gone along with him.

According to Serp, three other families were involved in this "takeover" with Nick Jr. But it reached certain ears in NY and was ultimately put down, right along with Nick Jr.

Nick Jr is no Tony Accardo, but I think the myth of him simply being a lapdog for his father with no brains or ability of his own, is being proved false for the most part. As said, he earns circles around most guys in Philly, he earns circles around most guys in NY too, if you're to believe the feds.

I did say families ,what I mean is guys in other families. I don't know if there bosses or skippers gave the go ahead...

IMO, no.

Basing a lot of it on Leonetti's sentiments...not that he is the end all be all, but has not came off as a bullshitter.

But at the end of the day it is all speculation.

But your sentiments I do not believe in his case. As I don't believe he would be involved in LCN at all if it was not for Sr.

Guy could be a millionaire legit.

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So his Lucchese crew would have went to war with Philly? Really? They may be small but have quite a few capable killers.

Besides, they obviously wouldn't have went along with it...as he was demoted once the boss' got word of it.

It was probably someone from his crew that reported it, since it was such a stupid and crazy idea in the first place.

Yo Serp - Did Chris Scarfo completely stop coming around? I know he moved up to Philly at one point, but did he ever reconcile with his father?

This is hard for me to talk about .He is around here and lives on a golf course in E.H.T. he loves the game.He is a member at one of the best courses around here. He is a member at the one he lives on also.He also has a place down south.
I have been with him many times lately, and when his boys" are around it's like being on Georgia ave 1978 . I did lose touch with him for a while,(05-13) but like I said I am with him often.
The fact that I said when he is with his boys means he talks and acts just like he was 17 again,and yes he brings up things about his dad and the old times often.He would have been in the family if things did not go the way they did ,the killing really got to him.
Really don't want to say more,he is not in the life as far as I know.

We don't know ANY of the details of Scarfo Jr's supposed "Philly Takeover", who's to say who got behind him and who didn't? Under the common rules of CN, his crew had to go along with him, of course these "rules" have been proven to be bullshit over the years, but if you're one of those "old school guys", your crew is expected to go along with whatever your orders are. We don't know if he just upped and went "I want to take over Philly", someone said "no" and immediately busted him down to the rank of soldier. Things don't happen like that anyways from what history tells us.

Things are planned first, kept between certain parties, feelers are sent out, and things happen. According to what's been said in this thread by some pretty knowledgable people, Jr managed to get guys from at least three other NY families to go along with his plan, until it was squashed. Which proves right there that this was a scheme that was discussed and concocted over time but never ultimately got the "ok". Scarfo Jr had people behind him, I don't believe there's any denying that. Whether they were the right guys, remains to be seen.

And I simply don't agree with the viewpoint of Nick Jr. spending all these years in prison, for all these crimes, never saying a word as far as ratting his fellow criminals out, being the result of his fear of his father. Do you suspect that once Scarfo Sr. dies, Jr. is just going to make an immediate about face and spill the beans about everything? I don't, I don't see that being a part of his character.

And also the whole "he'd never be involved if it wasn't for his father", well we can say that about ALOT of mafiosi, almost all of them in fact, yet that doesn't make the offspring any less capable. And while he very well could have been a millionaire legit, keep in mind that he got to be millionaire anyway, and that the start of all of his earning were through illegal means, the guy was knee deep in his fathers rackets, including the semi-legal ones like Scarf Inc. Like his brother Chris, Nick Jr. had a choice at the end of the day, and he did what he wanted to do. Leonetti can downplay Nick Jr and his ability and overplay his "fear of his father" for being the motivation behind his life, all he wants. Bottomline is Nick Jr, can hold his head up around his comrades and do his time, something Leonetti can't do. And I highly doubt that that's solely because Nick Jr is afraid of his father, who is imprisoned for the rest of his natural life. Not saying that to imply that either man is better than the other, just saying that there IS motive for Leonetti painting a caricature of his cousin, that may not be all the way true.


But if Jr. does indeed flip, I'll eat my hat and take all this back. But until then, I stand by my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion just like I am entitles to mine, which remains, it was a weak attempt that never got off the ground.

He would have been squashed anyway. He should have took the hint when he got it in Dante and Luigi's. Skinny would have quelled him pretty easily imo.

I always kind of felt bad for Scarfo JR. for some reason though lol

I don't know shit about Philly and even less about Scarfo Junior. But I do know a little something about the current Lucchese administration, and there's no way in Hell that they'd go along with any of this alleged nonsense (not saying it's nonsense because it didn't happen, just because the idea itself is insane). If this was a different time, the Luccheses probably would have hit him themselves. This poor kid is coming home to nothing in twenty years.

@Blackjack: I feel bad for him, too. It's probably because I see him as a Philly version of Craig DePalma (encouraged, if not outright pushed into the life by his father). Craig was seven or eight years younger than I am, and he grew up in Westchester, as opposed to the Bronx. But I knew him very well, and my heart breaks for what happened to that kid. He was no Saint, not by any means. But he was no gangster, either.

I don't think that's fair to Scarfo JR to compare him to DePalma, by most accounts Scarfo Jr was a gangster and had a gangster mentality.. and also was going to rat like Craig either did or was thinking about doing enough to ehere most people think he did

You may be right. I don't know Scarfo, so it's an unfair comparison.

And Craig proffered. No doubt in my mind. But I doubt those 302s will ever be released. I think the Feds pitied him too much.

Sinatra : Talking about Phil Leonetti he is embarrassed and disgusted ,and hoping Nick jr rolls. Just for the mere fact that he did, and he hates him self for rolling,and needs someone in his family desperately to have in his life.(and I am very sure he loves the kid).
Now more then ever with his skippers getting out and have just gotten out.

This does not come from him" but it does come from his family and friends and his in laws whom run a real nice private restaurant down around here,and others that are close to him and his wife.

This also comes from a interview I seen on him.Then not a couple months ago he comes on a local radio show and I herd the uncut version and his words are sad . He misses the life and wishes he just did his time.

He may say different" but I herd his voice for 27ish years and I herd in his voice now" what I am saying . He is now a broken man,not so much before cos he got a get out of jail free card "he thought."
I can tell by the things he says about his wife and the sacrifices she had to make all these years. Now everybody is running around the island having a great time with all the extended family and he and his boy and his wife are still locked in the prison he made for them.

When you're right you're right, Serp.

I do get that sense from Leonetti as well, that he feels terrible about flipping and also that he does genuinely love Jr. I remember the story in his book when he went to see him in his restaurant after he turned rat

2121: Now more then ever ,and this summer is killing him. There has been so many people from back in the day around here . I have not seen it like this since 05 maybe,and he is very very close to here and is watching from afar !

I thought he was living on the west coast(possibly cali)??

And would only come back sometimes for brief visits

Didn't that rat say scarfo Jr was a nerd.

lol I don't think he put it in those terms

Implied he was smart, good with computers

But the feds broke his encrypted records pretty easily

This guy has always been lucky ,he has always gotten what he wanted and he has always landed on his feet.
I know for a long time now that he has been able to afford a couple homes ,and whats better then having one on each coast.
That is just a educated guess .

Today is a top 10 beach day if I have ever seen one,and I have seen many.
Dam the water is so clear these days ,it has taken 30 or so years of the mind's that may keeping the ocean clean that we have great whites right off the coast .

Just super nice !

Sunday afternoon baseball is the shit. As you get older you appreciate it more I think. I bet the prosecution wish they never mentioned the mafia in this case they would have won anyway but this became a cluster fuck and might get overturned. Waiting for that other guy bobby glasses case to be overturned cause the double murder didn't have anything to do with the gambino fam. And the crooked FBI agent case down Florida got overturned and there still holding him dam well knowing there will be now new trial.

Not for nothing, and perhaps Serp never meant it like this, but the quote does say that he was busted down for getting a lot of made guys from other families to back him. The attempt never got off the ground but it seems to be much more than a "weak attempt", if whats said is indeed the case and true. At the very least this is Nick Jr having the ability to plan, and reach out, even if it's mostly because he may have enamored many with promises of money. With his earning power, that certainly possible. And none of this is to say that he'd be able to get any of the Five Families to back him, but I'm just saying, it seems as if he may have been able to perhaps buy the assumed participation of more than just a few guys from various families in NY.

If I took Serp's comment completely out of context, then I apologize.

I have even herd it put as taking rackets. I don"t know if it was a complete family take over .Also don"t if they were able to gain control over the most lucrative rackets. There for gaining some what control . One more thing if he/they were able to would this have been a last ditch effort for the old man to be put back at the top of the family . Who knows ,but it is out there and maybe it will all be exposed in the transcripts of his court case. I know it is in black and white already ,somewhere,and so is the attempted murder's and or take over by the Gambinos I've seen that in black and white saying they were going to take out the top three in Philly"s administration.

The top 3 hit thing is nothing new, that came out a while out I think on GA's site. And I don't think it was the Gambinos in general, rather a lone wing. I was trying to find the article but couldn't

When did he ever say a lot of made guys? He said guys from other families. Could be 2, could be 3, could be 5. Not sure where you got "a lot of made guys" from.

And in his above statement, he even remarked...a take over of some rackets and a last ditch effort to put SR. in power.

There are tons of half cocked plots thought about, and put in the planning stages that don't pan out. Doesn't mean there was ever a serious threat and I doubt anyone in Philly was worried about Scarfo Jr. coming back.

And that was one of the reasons he was busted down, the Perna's or whoever were plotting to take his spot from him and used that as a push. (Might not have been a Perna, trying to recall off the top of my head)

I wouldn't base my entire opinion of Scarfo JR on what Phillip Leonetti said about him. Sure, I read Mafia Prince, decent read. But even if what Leonetti said about JR was true, and that's a huge if, we're talking about his opinion of a kid from a million years ago. Believe it or not some people grow up a lot and evolve from weak children into strong adults.

@ Blackjack, ehem, the bolded. That's where I got the "a lot of made guys from other families" statement. And it's also said that the Perna's had little to do with Nick Jr being busted down to soldier and that it was indeed moreso his attempt at a "takeover" of Philadelphia LCN rackets, and not clearing it with his bosses. If I'm understanding Serp's post correctly, Nick Jr had the ambition, the know how, the guys, his father and the money to pull it off to at least a marginal extent. But he went over some peoples heads with the whole thing, people who mattered, and he paid for it.

Yet still, the simple idea of Scarfo Jr being able to garner some serious backing for his supposed "takeover" is still pushed aside as simply being ridiculous. Even with Serp's acknowledgment of the Gambino's considering taking out Philly's administration, effectively closing the Philadelphia families books for the foreseeable future. And with the informants and files which have come out or been leaked through reports since, which all but confirm that many important people within the LCN world, at least on the East Coast, weren't at all happy with what was going on in Philadelphia at the time, as well.

Boy you guys could have just PM me if you wanted to know what I was saying.

I don't know who the made guys were ,but I was surprised when I herd it also.
I still don't who but I sort of can guess where he would have gotten support.
The two Gambino crews he was close to is a possibility.
Then there is his crew with the Lukes. I am pretty sure he is close to other guys in that family,remember it's all about money.

He was also close to a couple Colombo guys and a third that his father was close with .

Then there is his fathers family ,nobody knows who still holds his father in high regard in Philly .

Hearing what I herd and reading what I read it was easy put a couple of these things together ,if they fit or not .

This may come out and it may be nothing just as it may be something ...

I would figure ANdrew Knapik (Merola) would have been in on it.

He was close with Jr. His money making schemes consisted of stealing power tools from Lowe's lol

No denying Jr. was a monster earner if nothing else.

Lots of money in power tools. I wouldn't be looking to knock over my local Lowe's personally.....but hey gotta earn

Well money is money , I know a guy became a millionaire in a couple years just on lollipops. Now he's a multimillionaire on lollipops up branched out to Colorado and he's making a killing.....

Thanks for the explanation, Serp.

...And boy, there must've not been a lot of Lollipops in Colorado.

Kinda fuzzy. But scarfo new what time it was. He told his partner sal that when he's in philly he should keep a low profile cause philly didn't recognize or respect scarfo Jr. It was in his trial so how you gonna make that move when you probaly would get beating with bats if your went to a Philly's game. Then there's the whole pernas kid meet Jr. At a highway stop to tell scarfo he's not capo anymore. That was the perna with the bug in his car. But Jr might have been going strait to the boss. He was meeting Vic amuso sin n law up till his bust. So maybe it was to appease the jersey guys who are friendly with merlino so all politics.

Or they took Scarfos power to show Amuso who was really in charge. Scarfo was the example that they set.

Keep in mind, that Merlino was in jail at the time. Ligambi was acting boss, whom at one point was a loyal Scarfo soldier. The same guys Merlino came up around, Scarfo Jr was also exposed to, they all being friends at one point. The cookie just crumbled the way it did, it was business. I don't find it unlikely that with Merlino out of the picture, some of his most loyal guys would've went along with the opposition, that being Scarfo Jr. It's happened to greater mob bosses, see Vito Rizzuto. Now we're learning that Scarfo Jr was close to more than one NY mob family, and was still thriving in some capacity off of his fathers connections. With some Gambino/Columbo/Lucchese crews, including his own, backing him, and had he gotten the okay, Scarfo Jr. would've never had to step a foot in Philadelphia until everything was all said and done. He could've supervised everything from New Jersey.

And also as we know, a lot of connected people, even in Philadelphia weren't happy with the Merlino administration and found Philadelphia LCN to be a mess. There's really no telling whom in Philadelphia would've sided with Jr.

I don't know that. That he Nicky jr. was just a Amuso guy. I have never posted this.
I visited Nicky jr back in 2004 - 2005 ish on a real big condo job that was a Crea run job.
He had one of those nice ass trailers that they stage" like a real office right on the job site.
And was holding court with all the usual suspects .

I know that don't mean shit , but Crea could have easily put one of his guys there.

Right on Pmac,,, and not just nut job Sal" there was at least one other,

Whats the point of running a huge crew that didn't like having such a young capo when there's a lot of older guys in that big jersey crew making loans and gambling and scarfos head is in a huge white collar thing. Can't keep a eye on both. I read Jr was meeting with amuso daughter husband a soldier. Came up in trial. Scarfo was like early 40tys theres guys in there 70tys.

I think you hit it right on the head. The fact that he was not a NY or North Jersey guy was part of it, or most of it.

But the boss loved his way of making money " and not the rackets he was pinched for.
The ones that he did not" and made the bosses rich .

Anyone know how Scarfo Sr. is doing in terms of physical/mental health? Is he still in good shape? Anyone know when that last picture of him (the one with him shaking hands with the black guy) was actually taken?

Check your PM

Here is a link to a website/forum talking about Scarfo taking over Philly. It is from 2008.

http://z14.invisionfree.com/GangstersInc/index.php?showtopic=858

I know it doesn't reveal much and you can't believe everything you read. But I found it intriguing nonetheless. Saying similar to Serpiente about families going along with Jr.

There will be a rat ,and all will find out who what and where, and it should be kinda interesting .
Even if I could tell I could not put any pieces together and if names come out even though it's just talk people could get jammed up .
But pretty wild in this day that this was going on at the level it was. Time will tell .

I always wondered if the tension in the main NJ L players and. scarfo jr was partly from Sr. , tho maybe not growing up in the area was an issue but Scarfo Jr wasn't the first trade in CN

Obviously Amuso wasn't a fan of NJ ( having ok'd to whack every one of them and i wonder if he polluted Scarfo Sr. thoughts .

As those NJ guys were there forever and have always been earners , not sure why they had 2 bosses that despised em all

There has to be something to all that. I could never see Nick sr. putting that kind of info on a phone and on paper if it was not life and death situation that jr. had to hear fast. I know the feds only let out what they want the people to hear.

Now Amuso who knows . Now Casso lost it later in life. According to some people that were around him back in the 60's 70's he was a smart and a mover and shaker.
He was real tight with Carmine Persico in the life and out .I also know that they spent many times with there wife's upstate and actually stayed in the same house together.They enjoyed each other company and would do things guys do in a mountain setting.
Now Carmine is no upstanding citizen but he would not bring flat out crazy guys around his wife and kids and nephews and nieces and etc.
Not only were they tight then but also as younger men on the street.
But anyway what was the whack Jersey all about rats ?

Money , not kicking up the portion the boss felt was adequate

Which was the main reason behind most of his hits

He was crazy all right , crazy for money , the bigger the racket the more you had to worry

Got it DB never looked into that , Because you never know the media changes things drastically and so does the feds .

Now the Jersey guys were doing well and holding back as a group or was it one skipper and crew ?
And did Casso ever say how he got the the info about the money they were skimming .

Because a few of those guys were around here a lot.
I have a story about a great night that happened that I never seen before . This was the Jersey Lucchese's Philly guys Nicky's sr. family and a couple Gambino's all the same night all in the same neighborhood,all in the same bar, all in AC in 1983 ...ish