MCs shoot out in TX restaurant

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html



Three rival motorcycle gangs turned a local restaurant into a shooting gallery Sunday afternoon and when the gunfire was over, nine people were dead and several were injured.

WACO: (May 17, 2015) Three rival motorcycle gangs turned a local restaurant into a shooting gallery Sunday afternoon and when the gunfire was over, nine people were dead and several were injured.

Waco police Sunday afternoon, assisted by Department of Public Safety troopers, police officers from several cities and deputies from the McLennan County Sheriff's Office were surrounding the Twin Peaks Restaurant, in the Central Texas Market Place after several people were reported shot during a rival motorcycle gang fight, Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

Police and troopers were in the parking lot trying to secure the area and protect citizens when a fight broke out inside the restaurant and spilled into the parking lot.

Swanton said the fight quickly escalated from fists and feet to chains, clubs and knives, then to gunfire.

Gang members were shooting at each other and officers at the scene fired their weapons, as well, Swanton said.

The scene at the Market Place between Don Carlos and Twin Peaks was absolute chaos, Swanton said.

The victims were taken by ambulance to Baylor Scott and White Hillcrest Medical Center, which later was placed on lock down, but officials at Hillcrest said they had no comment.

He also said police have been trying to work with management at Twin Peaks for several weeks but have been thwarted in their efforts to avoid a situation like happened Sunday afternoon.

A witness who was having lunch across the parking lot at Don Carlos Mexican Restaurant said he and his family had just finished eating and walked into the parking lot when they heard several gunshots and saw wounded being taken from the fight scene.

"We crouched down in front of our pick-up truck because that was the only cover we had," the man, who asked not to be identified, said.

He and his family were travelling to Selina, Kansas and decided to stop for lunch.

He said he saw several wounded men being treated.

He also said there were several police officers at the scene and ambulances were responding to the scene to aid those hit by gunfire.

At about 2 p.m. a second crime scene was being investigated at the Waco Convention Center but only very few details were known about the situation there.

One law enforcement spokesman said there were several armed officers and EMS units on the scene and Washington Avenue and University Parks Drive in that area had been closed.

A News 10 photographer who was at the convention center said he witnessed several men being arrested there.

Officers also were en route to the Flying J Truck Stop, at New Road and Interstate 35 because a large number of bikers had been seen gathering there.

Swanton said the scene at Twin Peaks is "as secure as it can be right now," Swanton said, but police are concerned that groups who were involved in the first incident may be moving to other locations in and around Waco where more violence could erupt.

Swanton said citizens should avoid the area until an all clear can be issued.

The Interstate 35 exit onto Loop 340 southbound is closed, as is the access road that runs alongside the Interstate.

"We have multiple medical and law enforcement resources in the area who are dealing with the issue," Swanton said.

Ambulances from West, Limestone and Coryell counties were at the scene to assist local EMS units.

Trouble at Twin Peaks among rival bikers had been brewing for some time, District Attorney Abel Reyna told News 10 about two weeks ago.

Reyna said local police were on heightened alert in anticipation of trouble on Thursday nights, when Twin Peaks hosts a Biker Night.

Reyna said some weeks ago trouble erupted between two local motorcycle gangs and that spilled over into gangs from the Dallas-Fort Worth area showing up to support the local groups

which gangs were involved?

I got family from Waco. That's some crazy stuff though 9 people dead. Wonder why this was over.

Looks like someone had a vote to meet Mr Mayhem

Bandidos, Cossacks and Scimitars....according to ny daily news

and look how much heat this draws now. world wide coverage. that's crazy. spotlight totally on them.

well, there is finally an honest to goodness big time deadly biker shootout in the states.

Except in the end i bet most of them were killed by cops. Why? Not because bikers aren't willing to kill each other sometimes, because they usually miss in these situations.

Bikers sell.

They'll be using this for years to go after club patches like how they have spent millions trying to get the Mongols'. IF they get the Mongols, they will go after all the other club cuts too.

I raise my eyebrows at that. If I believe everything bad the feds say about motorcycle gangs/clubs in the states--all a bunch of psycho drug dealing killers---the mafia on wheels...

Except---if they wear patches telling the world who they are, even giving their position within the club; isn't that a giant wet dream come true for law enforcement?

Think of the time and money they could have saved if Gotti and those guys wore "mafia" patches on their backs, along with "Capo" or whatever?

The biker "gangs" actually do that, and the feds are out to take it away---how can that possibly make any sense at all? If you are in law enforcement would you not think it is the best thing ever that they identify themselves?

My own opinion is that if they get rid of the patches they will be able to pull over any motorcyclist anywhere for any reason based on "gang suspicion". Just another tool to harass Americans.

Bikers going to prison in Texas, either way.

^^^

this has been bugging most crime buffs for ever

truth is: bikers are just not that bright and don't really give a crap

otherwise they wouldn't be bikers to begin with

they were not formed as some elusive secret society like many other crime syndicates.

they saw the light of day during post-WW2 and post-Vietnam years, when traumatized veterans didn't feel appreciated nor accepted by the very same society they lost their sanity for and formed these "clubs" out of brotherhood for one and other

if they wanted to create some sort of non-Italian/non-Irish caucasian mob, they should have just gone into business wearing the same clothes any white midwestern american wore in order to blend in and making it harder for the law, but, as stated above, crime/organized crime never was their main goal...and many argue that it's still not a priority today

it sure comes third right behind brawls and beer

The police responded quickly to this MC gang fight and put a stop to it. I don't know how it can be compared to Ferguson or Baltimore were cops were told to stand down.but, somehow it has:

"The deadly gun battle among several factions of biker gangs in Waco, Texas has social media users questioning the civility of its police intervention in the wake of Baltimore and Ferguson’s uprisings.

“They’ve recovered at least 100 weapons,” Deray McKesson, a high-profile activist wrote on Twitter. “The (National) Guard would be mobilized now if, black.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ou...ticle-1.2225969

bigger gun fight than the o.k. corral

you know that a newspaper is shit when they create an article out of some nobody's biased tweets

pathetic

what the fuck? These guys are having a shoot out in a restaurant and people are wondering about the civility of the police response...

Those comparisons imho are just typical divide and conquer crap from the left.

No comparison at all, and this event itself is an isolated, unprecedented one in the US.

It was a Confederation of Clubs meeting, which are common all over the country. Typically non violent events.

Possible SWAT panicked and just mowed everyone down...

these biker gangs dont't care where they get in a gun battle, its lucky no innocent bystanders were shot.

the hell's angels and the mongols shot it out in las vegas one year right inside the casino

these biker battles never end. you watch the bandidos and the Cossacks get into it again.

wow..a gang named for the word used to describe Sollozo's nose!!!

who knew?

i don't agree that this type of incident is unprecedented in the US. this just happens to be the worst in recent memory,but i can recall several,namely Laughlin nv or back in the 70's the july 4th massacre of 5 OMC by the HA's in Charlotte. but i do think it's possible that this was provoked by law enforcement,since some undercover agents,or informants are sometimes behind these violent flare-ups.

update from local Waco area newspaper 5/18/15

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/bike...8a05b224da.html


The more than 170 members of biker gangs that Waco law enforcement officials say were involved in a deadly biker gang shootout Sunday at Twin Peaks won’t be going anywhere soon.

Justice of the Peace W.H. “Pete” Peterson set bonds for 174 gang members charged with engaging in organized criminal activity at $1 million each.

“I think it is important to send a message,” Peterson said. “We had nine people killed in our community. These people just came in and most of them were from out of town. Very few of them were from in town.”

Meanwhile, a lawyer for Jimmy Don Smith, 59, of Caldwell, moved quickly Monday in getting a bond-reduction hearing set. Dan Jones, a Bryan lawyer, was in Judge Ralph Strother’s 19th State District Court Monday to request the hearing for Smith, a mechanic with Novosad Enterprises of Caldwell. Strother set the hearing for June 5.

Peterson declined to release the identities of the nine men killed Sunday because he said only one man’s family has been notified that he knows of so far.

He said all but two of those killed were not from the Waco area, but declined to say where they were from.

Even if the men bond out of jail, they likely won’t be riding their motorcycles home. The motorcycles were confiscated as part of the massive law enforcement investigation and sources say they likely will be seized and forfeited by McLennan County through civil forfeiture procedures and sold at auction.

In affidavits to support the arrests of the bikers issued by Peterson on Monday morning, Waco police officer Manuel Chavez officially identifies the groups as “members and associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club.”

While Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton declined to identify the opposing groups Sunday, he said at least five motorcycle gangs were involved in the altercation.

“The members and associates of the Cossacks and Bandidos were wearing common identifying distinctive signs or symbols and/or had an identifiable leadership and/or continuously or regularly associate in the commission of criminal activities,” the affidavit says. “The Texas Department of Public Safety maintains a database containing information identifying the Cossacks and their associates as a criminal street gang and the Bandidos and their associates as a criminal street gang.”

After the shootout, firearms, knives or “other unknown edged weapons,” batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons were recovered from members and associates of both gangs, the complaint alleges.

Other weapons also were found on their motorcycles.

Dear Police/ATF...

How many of the killed and wounded were shot by swat/leo's?

How many leo's fired their weapons?

How many did not?

How many bikers fired a gun?

Any surveillance footage, from businesses or yourselves since this meeting was hardly a secret and you were there in force ahead of time?

How many rounds total were fired by leo's?

All basic questions nowhere to be found in the papers/news outlets.

if I read it right, it now sounds like the cops are taking back their ridiculous statement that the clubs are sending armed bikers to Waco and have ordered green lights on anyone in a uniform. Shocking.

Well I'm from Houston so the only encounters I've had are with Banditos . From what I know Texas has been ran by them for a while. Waco is a crazy violent city that's lack of better words country ghetto. A lot of Racism and Guns lol.
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Well the accusation is not fully proven. These gangs have been wanting to take control of their local areas over the Banditos.

It's probal going to get violent in some areas. Not like war zone but some local biker hotspots on outskirt territories won't be to safe.

I swear to you by whatever God you believe in . I've seen a Bandito Prospect that looked almost exactly like the prospect off SoA (S1) . It was at a Wal Mart gas station he bought 12 cartons of cigarettes lol prospect named bucket. Only funny encounter but you see them everywhere in Texas.

this shit sounds braindead

nobody decided it was time to run before the police got there

all the leaders should be stripped of the managerial duties

Very perceptive. I've been looking for that myself since the beginning. I'm not an alarmist or conspiracy theorist but something isn't being told to us for whatever reason.

Well said because one news station made it sound like some of the bikers were shot by gunfire with cops.

And Chicken you are right about the Bandidos. They are becoming one of the biggest m/c's out there.

Sounding like a LOT of surveillance footage will need to be "lost".

What I found from someone local and imho "in the know"...

Another Texas club put a 'Texas" bottom rocker on their vests without going through the proper channels, which is an insult to all the other clubs in the Coalition of Clubs.

Two of the members of the "new" Texas patch were stabbed outside the restaurant and SWAT turned it into a shooting gallery. ALL 9 DEAD AT THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Safe to assume many of the injured were also gunshot victims of law enforcement.

Also, when they list the weapons some news outlets have used a very strange wording that does not exactly say guns were taken off the bikers.

And the "chains" as weapons were vest extenders and wallet chains. Get real.

That sounds very plausible. I'm not from Texas but two of those clubs I never heard of, and most here could probably guess which two it was.

And the chains comment is dead on, do they honestly think we believe they were carrying chains into Twin Peaks?

Also, does anyone else find it weird that law enforcement made a point out of NOT naming the clubs?

Even after they made the bullshit claim that the bike clubs had members descending on the city armed and under orders to "green light" (MURDER) anyone in a uniform...they still wouldn't name the clubs.

IF there are a bunch of maniac biker gangs out there killing each other and trying to kill cops is it not irresponsible/criminal of the police not to list the "gangs"? They can easily be identified by their patches.

They are literally saying, "there are these maniacs around Texas, they wear patches identifying themselves, they just killed a bunch of themselves, and now have back-ups coming into the city to kill anyone in a uniform...but we're not telling you who they are."

The above is exactly what happened/is happening and that in and of itself seems like a criminal act on the part of the police.

#BikerLivesMatter

Lol!

but seriously,i think you guys are onto something. in the press conference,the police said "off duty" cops were already on the scene,and started shooting at the bikers as soon as the scuffle broke out. that does sound suspect. If all 9 were killed by cops then that's a tragedy.

AC I think you are going to be EXTREMELY disappointed when you find out what really went down at that restaurant if you do ever learn the truth.

My best guess is that the cops didn't give a shit about these bikers, the more they can shoot the better. Now they just have to write a squeaky clean report, hope any video footage shows the bikers firing first and they will get away with murder.

Yep y'all are right. I did some checking (have been without internet since Saturday) and the cops said they were already in the parking lot BEFORE the fight even occurred. So obviously since Twin Peaks refused to refuse the biker meeting, the cops decided to be there and get something started it seems. They said their response was 30-45 seconds, so there is NO DOUBT they were posted up and waiting with guns aimed. To top it off, no uniformed officers were posted INSIDE the Twin Peaks but yet they were so scared of what was fixing to happen. Like you said Alfanosgirl, it was like a shooting gallery for them with the "redneck bikers" running out weapons in hand.

Some things I've noticed:

1. The cops have a vendetta with the local m/c's AND the people at Twin Peaks since they claim they wouldn't "cooperate" with them and ban paying customers who obviously had never caused problems there at Twin Peaks.

2. They more than likely shot first and asked questions later. If their response was less than 45 seconds, I seriously doubt they even had enough time to identify themselves.

3. They made sure they have smeared the franchise owner and managers are Twin Peaks. Now TP has pulled their franchise rights and the restaurant will obviously close down as the state is looking into their liquor license now as well.

4. This was supposed to have been a peace meeting of all the local m/c's big and small. It seems there was to be no show of force in hurting other members of other m/c's until this "supposedly happened".

5. There was NEVER an order to kill the cops. Even the DFW and Waco local presidents and the state president of the Bandidos has come out and said it would be suicide to come out and shoot at the cops and in no way were they that stupid and ignorant. Yet we keep hearing about how they have been green lit and expect more violence towards the cops. What horseshit.

There is more but it's 2:30am here and I'm drawing a blank right now. I had more notes but my mind went blank as I'm trying to watch t.v., type on this laptop and remember my thoughts to type here.....lol

This is definitely starting to sound fishy and I agree with y'alls point, that people will think these are nothing but drugged up bikers who decided to start shooting at everyone in sight over something minor. This stinks to me and not because I own a Harley and ride myself.

Cops shoot to kill in Texas. I'm sure they did most if not all the killing . The beef between the Cossacks and the Bandidos is legitimate though. The Cossacks have AB connections also including they're supremacist themselves. The Banditos will have to get control of that part of Texas since , Texas, is their home base .

Shit world star hasn't even got a camera video of this. Did this really happen Alex Jones and infowars need to get there asap. 9 dead no names. 137 bikers with guns and not 1 cop got a flesh wound something's fishy. Fox news was covering it a lot weird.

Some people in this thread need to grow a brain.

Newsflash: The bikers are the bad guys. Not the cops.

The cops should all get medals for putting down these thugs.

There's a lot of stigmatization against motorcycle owners. Obviously I can't speak for the situation in America, but I know how motorcycle owners are being looked upon in Europe. And while I understand where that fearsome reputation is coming from, people seem to forget that for every one-percenter MC there are tens of law-abiding hobby clubs around. I know quite a few older guys over here who ride (I would like to ride in the future myself) and are members of several small non-one percenter clubs. And while they all hold regular jobs and aren't involved in any criminal activities whatsoever there have been situations where they have been treated with less respect and more disdain than a "regular" civilian -if I can even call it that, because in my opinion the vast majority of motorcycle owners are just "regular civilians" as well- would have been. And if that's the case with members of small motorcycle clubs, you can imagine what people -and especially cops- must think of members of a one-percenter.

Just because someone owns a Harley, grows a beard and listens to Slayer, it doesn't mean he's moving dope and running hookers.

^ That's all fine and good but the stigmatization against law abiding motorcycle hobbyists doesn't change the fact that the guys in the shootout were criminals.

^ There's no denying that they indeed were criminals.

In my eyes the line between good and evil is blurred.

I've seen some bad cops. Seen some good thugs.

No matter what, both singed up to live the life by the gun. No good guy in this world does that? Do they?

Just because they are criminals doesn't mean they should have been opened fired on, They are police officers not Judges and Juries our country has a system for a reason, and im not saying the police were wrong their lives may have been in danger but its a hell of a lot less simple then they were criminals Fuck em

Agree 100%. A policeman isn't and shouldn't be a vigilante.

I agree, end of story.

So you're one of those guys huh?

All criminals deserve death sentences, no matter the crime!

If you are in an outlaw MC...beat a few people up and ran prostitutes...instant death penalty they deserve to die?

Sold drugs to drug addicts who wanted to buy drugs and would have from someone...deserve to die?

Let me guess, Freddie Gray deserved it too because he sold drugs?

#CriminalsMatter

Ivyleague thinks it is black and white because he is a PO , so obviously he is blinded and is going to side with cops.

There are plenty of cops that can be defined as criminals.

They aren't just "good guys" because they wear badges. And their actions should not be questioned. Ridiculous.

It is okay for cops to post outside a biker meeting and just open fire and murder them because they have a badge, according to officer Ivyleague.

Eppolotio and Caracappa were victims, innocent good guys.

Take a look at the people among those arrested. They arrested everyone, Veteran riders, Christ based, everyone. They will probably wait a long time for bond reduction hearings.

Jobs and businesses lost, lives and families ruined, let's not forget that by arresting everyone and charging them all like this they will attempt to seize all of those bikes and vehicles---$1-3 million at auction??

So you believe everything that has been said? Even you have to admit this sounds fishy. The cops are worried to death about a meeting but yet they don't post anyone inside? A fight spills into the parking lot and all of a sudden bikers go down by cop gun fire. I'm generally the last one to side with conspiracy theories but this one smells like pure shit from the cops side of things.

Obviously the cops weren't too worried about the innocent people inside Twin Peaks too much since they just sat in the parking lot the whole time. There was zero cop presence inside the place.

Of course he believes everything they said.

But I agree with your post.

the latest from texas is the cops say there were 7 biker gangs, they still haven't said how the nine got killed, the most ridiculous thing is this news release,

1000 weapons found in the restaurant. I can't believe that.

originally said 5, I'm sure there were at least that many, but this was a Coalition of Clubs meeting which includes everything from the hardcore 1% to faith based clubs, military clubs, etc. Nice to see they are now ALL called gangs by police and media.

First they said 100 weapons and as always what passed for a weapon included vest extenders and wallet chains. Last I heard was they knocked the weapon count down to 50 BUT...

They will search all the bikes and vehicles (which will certainly turn up some guns, probably a few assault rifles), and then issue a much larger "revised" report on the weapons. The media will blast it.

Also, as ALWAYS in these sensationalist cases, there has been no mention of how many of the weapons were actually brandished or used, or how many were even illegal. Imagine that.

Also, they say multiple bikers pointed their guns at police and fired. Where'd those bullets go?

No cops got hit, no mention of squad cars or anything getting hit, no mention of broken windows across the street. Disappearing bullets?

They also say they don't know how many cops fired their weapons. It's day 4 of a mass killing that involved SWAT, snipers and "deadly international biker gangs", and they don't know how many officers fired!?

total bs

wow, turns out they also arrested people (on bikes) who showed up after the whole thing was over and they are being given the same charges as everyone else and also being held on a $1,000,000 bond each. wtf

waitresses speak out about shooting

Waco video shows bikers running away as shooting starts
Surveillance footage shown to Associated Press by Twin Peaks company as it argues deadly violence started outside restaurant premises
A police deputy stands guard near a group of bikers in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, after the shootings.
A police deputy stands guard near a group of bikers in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, after the shootings. Photograph: Rod Aydelotte/AP
Associated Press in Waco
Thursday 21 May 2015 07.46 BST

When gunfire erupted outside a Texas restaurant most of the leather-clad motorcycle riders watching the confrontation immediately ran away from the shooting. A few tried to direct people inside, crawling on all fours heading for safety.

One biker ran away with blood on his face, hands and torso. A woman could be heard screaming, “Oh my God!” Others yelled, “Get down!”

According to restaurant security video shown to the Associated Press, only one of the dozens of bikers was seen firing a gun from the patio of the Twin Peaks restaurant where nine people were killed on Sunday.

Waco police in the aftermath rounded up about 170 people, charged them with felony engaging in organized criminal activity and setting bonds at $1m.

Police spokesman Sergeant W Patrick Swanton declined to comment about the video on Wednesday. Swanton has said the people arrested were members of biker gangs with criminal elements that have been monitored by local authorities for months.


Waco biker shootout: police say 320 weapons, not 1,000, found
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“They were not here to drink and eat barbecue,” Swanton said earlier in the week. “They came here with violence in mind.”

The video shows bikers on the restaurant patio ducking under tables and trying to get inside. At least three people were holding handguns.

Before the shooting, the inside of the restaurant appears to be mostly empty. Bikers and other patrons can be seen walking to the windows facing the parking lot, where most of the shooting happened, when the confrontation was apparently under way.

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When gunshots start at 12.24pm on the video most bikers, other patrons and staff immediately run away from the windows and into the restaurant’s interior. At least three people can be seen holding handguns.

One camera angle shows bikers running into the men’s bathroom. When there’s no space left in the bathroom they dash toward the kitchen.

The Associated Press was shown the video on Wednesday by representatives of the Twin Peaks franchise, who have said the fighting began outside the restaurant, not inside as police have said. The franchise has not released the video publicly, citing the ongoing investigation.

None of the nine video angles shows the parking lot.

Video shows police with assault rifles entering the door about two minutes after the shooting begins. As two officers enter, bikers can be seen lying on the floor with their hands spread.

Before the shooting at least 20 members of the Cossacks biker gang can be seen on the patio. Members of the Scimitars, Boozefighters and Leathernecks can also be seen on the tape. While no Bandidos are immediately visible, police and one member of that biker gang have said some of their members were at the event.

Among those arrested was Theron Rhoten, who showed up at the Twin Peaks restaurant for a regional motorcycle club meeting. But, according to his wife, he soon found himself in the middle of a deadly shootout involving scores of other bikers.

Katie Rhoten said her husband ran for cover and was later arrested, along with motorcycle-riding friends and other “non-violent, non-criminal people”.

Police have said that all those arrested were part of criminal motorcycle gangs. But based on court records and a search of their names in a database maintained by the Texas Department of Public Safety, only five of the nine people killed had criminal histories in Texas.

Police have acknowledged firing on armed bikers but has not yet been made clear how many of the dead were shot by gang members and how many were shot by officers.

Definitely one of the dumbest posts on this or any other forum.




You're already assuming there was no reason for the cops to fire on them. You act as if the rival bikers were just there for a party and it got crashed by bloodthirsty cops. Like I said, grow a brain.



One of those guys? You mean a guy who recognizes the cops in this case are the good ones and the outlaw bikers are the bad ones? Yes, I am one of those guys.

And you can stop with the fake drama. These bikers were obviously a threat and had to be put down. And bringing up Freddie Grey doesn't help your case. The guy was a career criminal and drug peddling lowlife. Neither his death, or those of the bikers, is any loss for society.



Holy hell, you don't have to be a PO (which I'm not anymore) to recognize the difference between good and bad. You just have to have some common sense and not automatically assume the worst about cops and the give the benefit of the doubt to outlaw bikers. But that's exactly what you and others in this thread have been doing. It's just sick and demented.

Ivy, your posts in this thread have been inflammatory and ignorant. You are being a troll.

have a nice day.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/1000-weapons-found-in-waco-restaurant-%e2%80%93-including-one-in-a-bag-of-tortilla-chips/ar-BBk1KOQ?ocid=ansguardian11

scorese this is where I got the 1000 weapon s found, the Waco cops put out this statement, I didn't make it up.

wha? i didn't say you made anything up.
I posted articles that gave some insight into what occurred inside the restaurant.

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Date: 2015-05-21 8:02 GMT-05:00
Subject: **REGION 3 EXTREMELY URGENT&IMPORTANT***
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***REGION 3, I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING EMAIL FROM REGION 10-RIO GRAND VALLEY SECRETARY. PLEASE READ AND PASS THE WORD TO FELLOW RIDERS, BE SAFE OUT THERE EVERYONE!!

Trip
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Fw:Brothers and sisters of the COC, a bulletin issued to all state law
enforcement agencies by the FBI is as follows:
THIS IS STATE WIDE: In light of what happened in Waco, there is enough probable cause to warrant police to pull over any person wearing and patch and search for weapons, at this point any person wearing a patch of club insignia is considered a gang member, even if you hold a CHL you will still be arrested, so be safe out there and keep your eyes open.

COC Secretary Halo.

good articles you posted, I read them all. thank you.

looks like it is war on those who ride motorcycles. be hard being a biker today.

I am as big a fan of law and order as the next guy. But I don't want to see some law abiding person from a riding club, a Christian bike ministry, or what have you sent to jail simply because they attended some Confederation of Clubs meeting where some bad shit happened. I think the law abiding riding clubs (including law enforcement clubs!) send people to those meetings to head off trouble with the outlaw element. For someone like that to get charged is a miscarriage of justice.

I know this is off topic but, what's this about Freddi Gray being a "career criminal and drug peddling lowlife"?

I mean he was a career criminal, but he was a drug dealer.

He is basically saying he deserved a death sentence for selling drugs.

That is what happened Fleming. There is a list out there that listed all those in attendance and not all were 1%ers. Everyone but the Cossacks and Scimitars were invited. There has been more than one meeting at Twin Peaks and nothing was started.

And to those saying the cops were innocent and not pushing their luck with this, what about them telling Harley Davidson of Waco to close down (until they opened around lunch time today finally) causing workers to go unpaid until HD decided to pay them. Then they asked anyone wearing colors to "not ride" this week and be confused with "outlaw groups". Absolutely ridiculous. If I wasn't 12-13 hours away from Waco I'd have my Harley out there every damn day of the week. NOBODY is stopping me from getting on my bike and riding.

Now, in addition to this the police have issued a statement saying military Bandidos members are supplying club brothers with grenades and C-4, and also want to blow up police family members' cars.

Can the shit get any deeper?

Texas police are so militarized it's ridiculous.

Wow, what horseshit!!!

people seem up in arms over a bunch of drunken meth heads

bikers are as low on the organized crime totem pole as black crack peddlers

they might have a small tight-knit circle but their crimes are unsophisticated

@cook
In Europe they are pretty big players in the underworld. Especially in The Netherlands and Germany.

the sheeple have spoken

this ain't the Netherlands or Germany. America's motorcycling scene is unique. This is a civil rights matter in the United States. Crimes committed by motorcycle riders/clubs/gangs in other parts of the world have nothing to do with it.

I thought Bandidos ruled Texas, that's supposed to be their home state. Never heard of the Cossacks until this happened.

Cook said that bikers were on the low end of crime. Just gave the example that its different in Europe. I think its the same in Canada.

cook said a lot more than that in his post

They do. That is why they have been clashing. There were a number of instances of fights between the two breaking out, running each other off the roads...stealing bikes...etc

Cossacks were paying tribute to the Bandidos, but found out other Bandido support clubs either paid a lot less, or not at all.

So they said fuck the bandidos, and stopped paying all together and started wearing the texas rocker (a no no without bandido permission)

Wish I had the article still, it was very informative and listed all the clashes between the two

That's what I read too that the fights were allegedly caused by putting the Texas rocker on the patch and also someone had his foot either stomped on or run over which caused a fight.

Do you think this is what caused the fighting or is there more to it?

Edit: is that how you call it a rocker on the patch? I have no idea

Yes girl, the top rocker is the club and the bottom rocker is the location. Since the Bandidos own Texas, you have to get permission from them to fly a Texas bottom rocker hence the reason most of the clubs there list the county instead of "Texas".

Like Blackjack said the Bandidos had them paying tribute until they found out nobody else was and then they refused and started flying the Texas rocker. Big no-no in the m/c world and a major insult.

The Bandido pres stabbed two Cossacks I think it was and a Bandido was ran off the road and had his cut and bike stolen from him so things are heated between the two. Most Cossacks are AB as well and as has been mentioned they support the HA's too. So their feud is far from over for sure. Especially since they crashed the CoC party.

Thanks Dix for explaining things to me.

I heard the Cossacks were in the process of patching over the Scimitars...and to make things even murkier the Cossacks are looking to patch to 81.
Don't know if its true, just what I heard. If it is it wouldn't surprise me... this is the HA's MO. Finds a local club, give it backing to push back against locals and if it comes out patch em over and have a ready made presence in the state/territory.
Again...just what I heard!

law-abiding bike enthusiasts have no place associating with 1%ers

don't cry when the lion bites you if you purposely jumped into its cage

coalition of clubs is a complete scam if not a front for outlaws themselves

screw those 1% scumbags and ride on your own

there's nothing anti-conformist and rebellious about having to join a club to ride a bike

that looks more like the behavior of an insecure kid hoping to be "accepted" by the cool clique in junior high

and these insecure vandals supposedly rule east texas?

yeah right

cartels would wipe them all into the gulf if they were a serious threat

quoted for amazing display of intelligence

sounds like wearing colors "ala" crips and bloods

they were probably high off meth when the shoot out began

no way in hell they found 300 weapons and no fucking drugs on anybody

Yea no shit, talk about ignorance. Some of y'all need to read up on the CoC. Not all the m/c's there were 1%ers. Not even 1/4 of them were dumbasses. A good bit of them there were actually Christian m/c's.

Ivy I usually respect what you say but ur so far off base its fukn ridiculous. I've been raised around mc/s and there not all criminals. I have family that are pagans in md and warlocks in wva and there all law abiding people.you Wat to much s.o.a

You need to grow a brain. People should be given a medal for killing scumbag cops who think like you. Slapping a shiny badge on a bully pig doesn't give it the right to murder. I can't wait for the videos to come out and some pigs to be thrown in prison. Texas does like thugs, even those wearing badges.

I used to back the blue but too many thugs with badges now. Especially with the feds.

To label them all thugs is dumb.you have cops that break the law.the sheriff in my area is in hot water for missing drugs and money that he said "fell out of the safe into the trash and got thrown away".no bs that's his excuse....my uncle is the enforcer/sgt at arms for a chapter of the warlocks.he also works 12hours a day doing hvac and takes care of his sick wife.there not all thugs and criminals

these outlaw biker gangs or clubs should be dealt with gang injunctions and rico just like other streetgangs and oc groups

Exactly. There are plenty that are in 1% m/c's like you said that are NOT even criminals. Are the majority of some like the 81 or others crooks? Maybe. Are all of them crooks? Hell no. The guy that does most of the motor work on my Harley is in one, they are in a world of turmoil as they are possibly fixing to be patched over, but the only law he breaks is having too many to drink when he rides. Yes I know DUI is very serious but I've never seen him ride crazy while drinking and yes I know that is breaking the law. But does he run guns or drugs? Hell no. He busts his ass at work every day just like tommy said about the ones he knew.

So to think all the bikers at this meeting were a bunch of tweakers shooting at the law is ignorant. Yes a lot of them were/are criminals, but those Christian m/c's are always preaching peace and are never troublemakers.

Most of y'all are thinking this was the Bandidos, Hells Angels, Warlocks and Sons of Anarchy all meeting at once and fighting over turf and that is SO FAR from the truth.

Of the 170 men held on $1 million bail, about 115 of them have no criminal record. Most of the "weapons" found were pocket knives and wallet chains. Neither are illegal and most bikers use a wallet chain to keep from losing their wallet.

It's a week later and they still haven't released the autopsy reports saying who shot who. I bet the cops killed most if not all of them. The bikers killed took shots between the eyes or center body mass. I doubt a bunk of junkie bikers would be such good shots in an all out melee.

I'm telling you, AT LEAST 150 of them will never spend a day in jail from this once they go to court. But yet some will see nothing wrong with that because they were "dumb bikers" who are criminals...

alot support for bikers, kinda odd because they're streetgangs on wheels

actually they're crystal meth and cheap liqour street gang members

10 bucks says when cookcounty was a kid he walked in on a couple of bikers tag teaming mommy.

Any takers? Who wants the action?

I know quite a few bikers and none of them drink liquor or do meth. But what would I expect coming from you?



More like she was probably a tweaker and let the bikers run a train on her for drugs.

I love how the trolls come along saying all these dudes were hardcore tweaked out bikers and that isn't the case. But Alice, look at who we are talking about too.

I think you got a real good point there, there has been more propaganda over these shootings, that most people are wondering why does the press print everything the cops say?

they will not let anyone investigate the shootings, that tells me we are being fed propaganda, and the media are a willing partner in the whitewash. the media is shameful.

Why dont you just come out and state your purpose/point in this thread and be done with it?

smh

Have to wonder how many groups like this are having their lives ruined by waco pd, fbi, atf and the media...

https://amyirenewhite.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/the-distorted-truth-biker-victims-of-waco/

another

http://www.visegripaustin.com/

Just saw this online

good post, its nice to get the other side of the story, after all that is the democratic process, which seems to be lost in the situation at Waco.

it appears like this was a vendetta against bikers, and also I would call 1 million dollars bail cruel and unusual.

why does it take so long for the truth to come out, still to my knowledge no one has explained the deaths of 9 people.

one cannot count on the main stream media, I think we need a free press!!

rival bikers had a gun battle that endangered the lives of bikers, civilians, and cops

9 people were killed.....i'm sure most bikers aren't ratting

shit they caught a pinch, they'll deal with it

This is a bit more than a pinch.

The first civil rights lawsuit has been filed...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/267040628/Matthew-Clendennen-v-City-of-Waco#scribd

I guarantee you there will be more. Too many were locked up for no reason. But cook would have you to believe they are all guilty because they are white.

I fukn hate you cook.all your trying to do is start shit. Y don't you come to martinsburg and talk to some warlocks like that.or some outlaws in northern va. Your such a douche with ur shit startn.wtf makes your beloved outfit so much better? They can take a bet so they mist be fukn einstein rite?wrong.your average mobster is a fukn moron that knows nothing outside there neighborhood .so is your average biker tho.ill admit that.don't act like all these mobsters are so much better/smarter

^^^^

so u must agree with public shootouts in restaurants

so many bullets were fired that 9 people were murdered

Cook you dumb bastard there wasn't a shootout IN the restaurant. Learn the facts before you want to join in and stir the pot.

Still waiting for all those race baiting libs in the media to show their outrage at the police for killing all of those bikers...No police were killed right ?? If 8 blacks were killed by the police while no police were killed it would be 24-7 news...

The hypocrisy is infuriating...I guess only black lives matter, and even then, they only matter when they're killed by a white guy or a cop!!

Well I exaggerated a little there, the libbies care about Gitmo terrorists too !!

DL of course they don't care, because it was white guys and beaners that were killed. If this was a black m/c killed by all those white cops CNN would have went fucking ballistic.

There was a guy murdered by a sniper outside a pizza restaurant here in Austin about 9 years ago, allegedly by the Bandito's for wearing an HA patch. The murder has never been solved. (BTW - Saccone's is the best NJ style pizza in the city).

http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2006-05-19/366344/

What happened in Waco is not the first time the Bandito's have taken issue with someone wearing the wrong patch or colors in their territory.

Let's be real - the cops were there because they knew there was a chance of trouble since the Cossacks started wearing that Texas bottom rocker. My guess is the cops had undercovers working.

I get that not every guy riding a HD is an outlaw, and that not every club is 1%. The bottom line is the cops knew there were some outlaws at the meeting, and were there in the event any shit started.

But the thing is the Bandido's were at every CoC meeting from the beginning and there was NEVER any issues. The issue started when the Cossacks showed up. The Bandido's were there for about an hour and had no issues with anyone there. I've heard rumors that some of the Cossacks are undercovers but who knows?

As for the cops, I still smell bullshit. If I'm the owners of Twin Peaks I'm suing the city because their words cost them the franchise. They had no reason to even ask Twin Peaks to ban the bikers because they have been paying customers for a LONG TIME and were NOT known to start trouble there. The cops are pushing this meeting as a meeting over the Cossacks trouble and that is bullshit too.

It's obvious that was his agenda all along

I wonder what happened to him to make him so racist? hmmmm

@dixiemafia

it doesn't matter if the shootout happened in parking lot or the in chick-fil-a

that was a terrible thing for them to do and you're defending them

cnn covered the story

I guess you're right, who gives a shit about trivial things like facts.

Oh, CNN covered it! I feel a lot better now.
You're a troll.

In the meantime...

http://www.kcentv.com/story/29213297/exc...GlWSB8.facebook

Alice I'm not even feeding that ignorant troll anymore.

Funny how the couples bond went from $1 million to $25,000. Many many more will be lowered because they done nothing. Yet Waco police would have you believe they are hardened criminals.

http://www.kcentv.com/story/29139405/cit...win-peaks-event

Funny how Waco honors the organizer of the CoC two days after they said it was a "meeting over turf" which it was not. Funny how that works.

The cops basically scooped up anyone in the area riding a HD. Even if they weren't at the restaurant and just heading down the highway. Threw them in jail with $1 million bond.

There will be massive lawsuits coming, and since it is a violation of civil rights, they can go after the cops and prosecutors personally.

breaking...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDg3WPyBwwE&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

more
https://amyirenewhite.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/an-eyewitness-account-of-the-waco-biker-massacres/

maybe they missed a payoff or something

could of been a set up if the swat team mowed everybody down

Not surprised once again. About lines up with our thinking:

1. Cops knew there would be trouble due to Cossacks undercover and/or snitch.

2. The arrests of 170 were all pretty much bullshit.

3. Waco PD is going to be sued about 150 times

4. That AT LEAST 90-95% of those arrested will not be popped for any crimes.

5. Explains why the cops wanted Twin Peaks to ban the bikers and explains why Twin Peaks didn't want to ban them.

6. Expect a TON of lawsuits. From the bikers AND Twin Peaks.

I don't blame them one bit. Now I'm hearing a Justice of the Peace gave them 1 million dollar bonds, not a judge. Waco is in deep shit.

people r naturally suspicious of this for the fact it looks a lot like Waco part 2,and we just got a new Attorney General,also the fact that there have been entire chapters of 1%er clubs started by and made up of members of the Feds,like jay dobyns and the AZ HA's were able pull off. everyone knows the Feds infiltrated these groups and r the ones instigating all the violence.

Yep this was supposedly the FIRST time the Cossacks have showed up at all or in a LONG TIME and yet the cops were waiting. They have a snitch or UC FOR SURE.

Mainstream media starting to turn on the waco pd/local system. Doesn't take long for the media to react when they get fucked around on those Freedom of Information documents...

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/hea...co-shootout.ece

Released bikers give clashing accounts of Twin Peaks shootout

A rugged cross has been erected at the site of the Twin Peaks shooting, which happened in the parking lot.
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Posted: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:01 pm
By J.B. SMITH jbsmith@wacotrib.com
As more bikers are released from McLennan County Jail, the accounts of what led up to the deadly shootout at Twin Peaks come into sharper conflict with each other.

Police and prosecutors have painted the May 17 shooting as a clash of rival “gangs” — primarily the Bandidos and Cossacks motorcycle clubs — that were armed and prepared to settle scores in a public place.
Waco police have said more than 300 weapons found at the scene show there was “criminal intent” among the 177 who were jailed in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

“(It) indicates to the public that these are not clubs, these are criminal gangs that came here with the intent or anticipation of violence,” Waco police Sgt. Patrick Swanton said in the week after the shooting.

Bikers and their attorneys give different accounts of the cause of the conflict, depending on their sympathies toward one group or another.
But the bikers on both sides say they were shocked by the eruption of violence and tried to get out of the way, only to be arrested as co-conspirators.
Matt Clendennen, a member of the Cossacks-aligned Scimitars Motorcycle Club, was released on bond Tuesday. He said he was on the patio sipping ice water and waiting to order lunch when the parking lot fight broke out, then immediately took refuge in an interior hallway.

“I didn’t have weapons of any kind,” said Clendennen, 30, a former firefighter who owns a landscaping business in Hewitt. “The only thing I had was a miniature pocketknife. I’m a business person, a hardworking person, a family man. If I thought there was potential for violence with any organization, I would not be part of it. Why would I? Why put my family in danger?”

Likewise, attorneys for Sandra “Drama” Lynch and her husband, Mike Lynch, of Mart, said the two were unarmed and unprepared for the conflict.
Sandra Lynch had arrived before 11:30 a.m. to set up for a 1 p.m. regional meeting of the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents, a bikers’ rights coalition for which she is an officer. The group is headed by a Bandido, and Cossacks are not members.


Mike and Sandra Lynch, officials in the Los Pirados Motorcycle Club, were released on bond this week in the Twin Peaks shooting. Facebook photo
Sandra Lynch was surprised when she saw a large group of Cossacks arriving around 11:30 a.m., said her attorney, Gary Smart of Arlington.
“When the Cossacks got there, her heart just sunk,” he said. “She just knew there was going to be trouble. (Cossacks) had been causing trouble around Waco for a while.”

At 11:33 a.m., she texted a friend from the biker confederation that a Cossack had just run into her in the parking lot. At that point, about 50 Cossacks had arrived, according to Lynch’s text.
“They were making derogatory comments and saying, ‘Get out of our way, we’re Cossacks,’ ” Smart said.
Police have said the altercation started when someone’s foot was run over, but Smart said Lynch had nothing to do with the fight, which started an hour after she was allegedly hit.
“She didn’t yell and scream,” he said. “She’s not going to start an altercation. It’s not in her nature.”

Lynch was still in the parking lot directing traffic when the fight broke out, Smart said.
“She started to take off running,” he said. “She made it a short distance and then hit the ground. Bullets were whizzing over her head.”
The Tribune-Herald has not been able to contact Cossacks or Bandidos officials.

Members of other local motorcycle clubs and groups that came for the COC&I meeting — such as Sons of the South, Boozefighters and American Legion Riders — corroborated the story that the meeting was meant to be a peaceful discussion of bikers’ legislative priorities.

Several of those confederation members say the Cossacks and allied Scimitars were attempting to crash their gathering and cause trouble for the Bandidos. The two groups have had violent clashes over the last six months, and a Texas law enforcement report in March suggested the groups might be beginning a war.

But a man identified as a top-ranking North Texas Cossack told a different story in a Washington Post article May 23. He said a leader of the Bandidos from Longview had contacted Owen Reeves, a Cossack from Bruceville-Eddy, and invited the Cossacks to powwow at Twin Peaks that Sunday about 11 a.m.


Anonymous source
The source told the Post that 100 Bandidos pulled up around 12:15 p.m., and a Bandido started a fight by running into a Cossack.
“It was a set-up from start to finish,” the otherwise anonymous Cossack told the Post.
But Sandra Lynch, the COC&I organizer who made the reservation for the meeting on Twin Peaks patio, heard nothing about the prospect of truce talks or a rumble, her attorney said.
“She was not aware of any gathering to create peace,” Smart said. “They had an agenda they were there to talk about. There was not going to be a truce or anything like that.”

He added that only about a dozen Bandidos were actually at Twin Peaks, which undermines the idea of a planned truce or fight between the rival motorcycle clubs.
Court documents show that Lynch had in her possession a beer koozie with the abbreviation for “Support Your Local Bandidos” and a vest patch reading “Support the Fat Mexican,” a Bandidos nickname. However, her attorney said that type of patch, in the shape of a Harley-Davidson logo, is a fan patch, not a sign of actual affiliation. He said the Lynches’ nine-member club, Los Pirados, is not a support club for any other group.

Stephen “Bowtie” Stubbs, a Las Vegas attorney who has represented motorcycle clubs including the Bandidos, said the idea that the Bandidos were offering a truce was “baloney,” as is the idea that they planned to war with the Cossacks on May 17.

‘Against every protocol’
“That is not what happened,” he said. “It would go against every protocol. I’ve been part of this world for years and part of negotiations over conflicts. . . . It would not have happened at a COC meeting. COC meetings are neutral ground where nothing is supposed to happen. . . . If they were expecting Armageddon, it would not be at Twin Peaks. It would be somewhere less public with no cameras around.”

Stubbs said talks between feuding groups would take place among top-level club leaders with hundreds of club members waiting some distance away. Such talks could take many hours, he said.

Stubbs said he has been in contact with various Texas motorcycle club leaders who were at the scene, and he said 16 Bandidos were at Twin Peaks, including one who was killed and 15 who went to jail. He claims that the violence started when a group of about 50 Cossacks surrounded a group of about seven Bandidos in the parking lot.

McLennan County prosecutors said this week at a hearing that video from the scene clearly shows “Bandidos executing Cossacks and Cossacks executing Bandidos, some at point-blank range” and that Cossacks stationed on the patio jumped over the railings to join the fray.
Clendennen said he was on the patio but wasn’t expecting any kind of trouble.
Clendennen said he joined the club a year ago because he wanted an organized group to ride with and found he got along well with the small local group of guys.

“We’re all hardworking men who enjoy riding motorcycles and giving back to the community,” he said.
Clendennen also has been friends with several local Cossacks, including Danny “Diesel” Boyett, a mechanic killed in the melee.
“He was an incredible person, one of the most caring, giving people I’ve met,” he said.

Hewitt business owner and Scimitars member Matt Clendennen said he was unaware that he was headed into a violent situation at Twin Peaks restaurant.

Clendennen said he didn’t know about any kind of violent feud going on between the Cossacks and Bandidos, though he knew there was some rivalry. He said he got a message from his motorcycle buddies a few days before that they would be meeting up at Twin Peaks and listening to a presentation on motorcycle legislation.

He said he had been to COC&I meetings before and thought they were public meetings, so Cossacks and Scimitars didn’t need to be invited.
Clendennen said that after the fighting started, he wasted little time taking cover inside.

“The was a verbal altercation, and I heard the first gunshot maybe a minute or two after that started,” he said. “It was a shock moment. You just freeze in place for a split second.”

He said he ducked inside and waited in a hallway leading to the bathroom, then fired off a text to his family to tell them he was OK. Soon, two police officers came in with rifles and made everybody get down on the floor. They escorted out a man from the bathroom who was bleeding from a wound, he said.
The police put Clendennen in zipties and took him with a couple hundred others to the Waco Convention Center for questioning. He said he assumed he was just a witness, and when an officer interviewed him, he got the impression he would be released soon.

‘Total shock’
He said he got worried when he was sent to the McLennan County Jail on State Highway 6, and was astounded when the group he was in was informed of their bond amounts.
“It was total shock,” he said. “My jaw dropped. Like, $1 million, are you serious? What could I have possible done to deserve a $1 million bond?”
Clendennen’s attorney, Clint Broden of Dallas, has filed a civil lawsuit against the city of Waco and McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna, claiming unlawful arrest and detention. Clendennen said the incident has prompted his ex-wife to file a temporary restraining order that has kept him from seeing two of his children and explaining what happened.

Meanwhile, he’s trying to catch up on a busy landscaping season with his business and worried that the arrest will cost him future business, though no customers have yet canceled on him.

And he says he is still trying to answer the questions of his 4-year-old who he has with his current wife.
“I’m still trying to get him over the idea that I went to jail,” he said. “He thinks you go to jail when you hurt somebody.”

For me, this article just muddied up the waters a bit more on what happened down there.

It's becoming a classic case of he-said, she-said nonsense. Take the motorcycles out of the story. Simplify it to people and associations:

The Landscaping/ex-fireman Scimitar member, is aligned with the cossaks. I am ignorant, but are the Cossaks identified or considered a societal threat because of their history of violence/criminal activity? How about the Bandidos?

If the answer is yes, then this Landscaper may be talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Now, the Lady who has the beer coozie and the vest patch in favor of the Bandidos...IF, IF, IF they are identified or considered criminal, what does she expect?

It's very very possible that the police overreacted in this situation. But, it's also possible that some of these innocent "club" members may be watching too much television.

Personally, I don't walk around in Bloods or crips colors when I'm in the city nor would I ever ride my motorcycle with a Pagans or Warlocks support patch on my jacket. And, I retired my Italy jacket back in the 1990s.

You hang around with shit long enough, you start to smell like it.

Personally, the writer is slanted towards law enforcement here. Otherwise they wouldn't bring up who was who and who they were affiliated with.

But the bottom line that everyone can agree on is that the Cossacks crashed the party. Yea they might have been set up by the Bandido's, but that is almost impossible to know. Of course they will tell everyone they were invited, otherwise they will look dumb. And if it was a meeting, more than 16 Bandido's would have showed up.

enter the aclu

http://radiolegendary.com/2015/06/aclu-overzealous-waco-police-holding-many-bikers-without-charges/

I told you guys it was the cops who murdered and wounded most of the bikers. Here's a firsthand account from someone who was not part of the biker meeting. He arrived as a passenger in a pickup truck just as the fight broke out. The cops arrested him, put him in jail for three weeks on $1 million bail. He should sue the shit out of the cops, prosecutor, and judge.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/tex...tness/71090750/

Another thing - three weeks and no surveillance videos released yet. No autopsies released on whose bullets killed and wounded all those people.

From what I've read, the first one or two people were shot by a Bandido. After that, the other 25 people were shot by the police. Nearly all of the weapons found were legal. It is legal to carry concealed handguns in Texas if you're not a convicted felon. Nearly everyone arrested had no criminal records. Most of them were part of weekend motorcycle clubs, not the 1% groups. Some of those arrested were just regular diners who didn't even come on a motorcycle and weren't there for the meeting. Several women were arrested and held on $1 million bond and are still in jail. The lawyers are circling and there will be a massive class action lawsuit. The Waco judge and DA office are now offering to reduce bail if they sign a waiver not to sue the county. The longer this goes on, the more money it will cost the taxpayers

That's not surprising.

And the City of waco doubles down again, I suppose they have fucked it up so bad that they are well beyond the point of no return...use your own judgement...

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin_peaks_...5480b6efa0.html

Went to a Twin Peaks in Phoenix... every girl was at least between a 6 to an 8... just saying...

Yesterday at a bond reduction hearing the local Cossacks president testified that before Twin Peaks waco pd had asked him to meet w/the Bandidos and smooth things out over some of the problems they'd been having. He was then released on lowered bond.

So the local pd asks them to meet. Then undercovers/paid informants in the Cossacks get about 50-60 together to do just that. 50-60 represents about 1/10th total Cossacks membership. The 50-60 went (against club instructions) because they were spurred on by undercover police/paid informants inside the Cossacks.

Then the cops shoot a whole bunch of people.

You got it.

Also on the girls comment, Hooters always has better women but I honestly don't care. I just go for the wings. Twin Peaks has always been a Hooters knock off, and after Hooters was sold out from the original family, the son of the original owner of Hooters left Hooters to start TP or at least work for them I forget. I wasn't impressed with their food at all.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/w...ticle-1.2257066

@dixie and alice; bikers still all innocent and cops the bad guys?

We all know the cops would never lie to cover up murders. That's why they refuse to release the videos and autopsies. That's why they rounded up dozens of innocent people and are still holding them three weeks later on $1 million bail even though they have the videos and should know who was involved by now. Cops never lie and can never do anything wrong. All 177 arrested should get life in prison because they were at or passing by the restaurant.

So whats released is a lie and what you know is evidence?

Is that correct?

Im just wondering when I should believe what is released or what perspective I should take so I can accept or discount the federal line according to said perspective.

Well, this is about version 7 from waco pd so far. You can stick with this version if you want, but in 3 weeks when waco pd is on version 10 of what happened will you still put faith in version 7?

The wording in that newest release is where the truth is, it's in what they don't say.

Also, the motorcycle blogs have been blowing this story up from day 1 and are more on top of it than any news media. That big fat cop w/cowboy hat is form B. of Land Management, haven't heard that reported have ya?

My opinion remains the same as it has from day 1; a couple bad motorscooters did some bad motorscooter stuff (spurred on by police), and then the government opened fire. In order to cover up their massive fuck up they arrested everyone in sight and violated their civil rights.

The civil rights violations are still going on. Yes, I give a fuck. I could have been one of those people who showed up afterwards for the meeting and was arrested for a fucking wallet chain. And even with a reduced bond I would still be sitting. My life would be ruined, job gone, all my property gone, and a gang charge in relation to capital murder. All for going to a meeting about motorcyclist rights.

Glad to see you're ignoring everything though. Hopefully you'll still be on the sideline playing cheerleader when they come for a group you are a part of.

Riiiight.

So your argument is we should go with the 'objective' motorcycle blogs over the 'news media' for the truth.

Have you ever heard the term 'vested interest'?

Cause I think in the dictionary they have a picture of it.

Its of a moter cycle blogger, blogging about waco

And spare me the big bad government come to steal me rights speech. Because normal people are sick of it.

Hate to be harsh but the online rants for the last two weeks get a bit much, you know?

Wait a minute, since when is the news media considered "the truth"? If you believe that bullshit then I feel for you.

As for your first comment, you'll see when most of the bikers are released and never convicted of anything. I still hold true to my statement that AT LEAST 90% of those arrested are never hit with anything.

Well the news is considered more the truth when compared to a MC blogger. See, it's about context. Do I love Fox News? No. But compared to the Georgian KKK Newswire for example, sure.


Dixie, you're a GREAT poster. I mean that. But 1% are fucked. And they're bikers. Now you're a biker, but you're not a 1%, so you're not. That's all.

People in society don't have an issue with people riding bikes.

People in society have issues with criminal gangs on bikes.
Hell, my cousins one of them.

That's all.

So when they cops didn't kill everybody. Maybe the cops didn't kill everybody. Considering we're dealing with 1%'s not Ma n pa recreational a here.

And I do respect you as a poster.

Oh, and GO JAYS! ELEVEN IN A ROW BITCHES!!!!

I agree with you Dixie, for the simple reason it takes months or years for the truth to come out.

and when the truth comes out about this, the true version will be entirely different from the original version.

Waco has a history, maybe you are to young to remember the siege at Waco with david koreshs church, the cops said they were fired on, the video showed different,

the cops said the people inside the compound started the fire that killed women and children, the video, and senate testimony proved it was a lie.

the media are spokesman for the cops, after a while the truth will come out, and the media will be the liars, as usual.

It's not all tin hats out there binnie.

Sometimes one percent bikers get shot by the cops, because they did something to deserve it. Not because they were on their annual teddy bear run to the children's hospital ward....

Maybe?

How many mc blogs do you follow?

How many mc blogs have you followed from beginning to end on outrageous cases like waco?

Are you aware of the fact that mc blogs are the only media that cover mc cases from beginning to end?

Have you even been following this case?

So the argument is I should follow mc blogs in a mc criminal case?

Should I follow a frank Cali blog the next time big Dom gets a pinch?

Cause you know, he'll follow it to the end n all.

Let us know when you're done showin' your ass...

I get what Sonny is saying though, mainstream media isn't always reliable, and that includes all the stations. But neither is choosing the side, because a MC blog, most likely ran by MC members, post articles of police abuse, and wrongful deaths. Because believe it or not, opinions can sometimes be biased, and I highly doubt the MC blogs that you guys are speaking of, that the majority of them have a neutral opinion as to what happened here.

People keep saying Waco, and bringing up the Davidian fiasco. But those people believed in an religion and a certain way of life, and had their own property, which they very rarely ventured out of, because they knew they couldn't enforce their views on the entirety of the world. The bottomline is, that situation didn't have to happen. It shouldn't of happened. Neither should the Twin Peaks shootings had happened, but lets not compare the two. ALOT of those guys are hardcore criminals down to the bone.

Be great if you actually followed an mc blog and learned wtf you are talking about.

I'm taking the word of people not involved with the bikers or police. You are taking the word of the police and you claim they have no vested interest even though they may have killed up to 9 people and are now facing dozens of lawsuits.

I'm just wondering when they will release any hard evidence instead of press releases blaming hundreds of innocent people. Forst they tell us the 177 arrested are such a threat to the public that they have $1 million bail, which is usually reserved for mafia bosses, serial killers, and drug kingpins. Now they are agreeing to reduce bail for anyone who agrees not to sue them. Are these people all dangerous killers or not?

You're clueless. More than half of the people involved didn't belong to the any outlaw MC. they are weekend riders. Dozens of people were not even there for the meeting. They were just having lunch and weren't even riding motorcycles. They ended up with $1 million bail and staying in jail for three weeks and lost their jobs.

Im happy to accept the official version until evidence suggests otherwise.

If there's evidence of conspiracy, sure, I'll accept appropriately. But I don't have a mindset of conspiracy and look for evidence to support that.

Thats the difference.

today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxKNqxhpzM

The difference is I listen to those who have no vested interest and tend to believe them. You listen to those who have a vested interest and have been caught lying, and accept that as the official version. If you were in Germany in 1944, you would accept Joseph Goebbels news releases that Germany was near victory and anyone who disagreed was tinfoil hat.

Yes. Insightful comparison.

During a shootout between outlaw 1% gangs, the police opened fire. You're perpetuating without evidence the cops baselessly massacred the bikers.
I don't believe there is enough evidence to support this contention.
That is the equivalent of me in 1944 Germany believing Joseph Goebbals that we're winning.
Brilliant. Because they're exactly the same.
Go back to storing cans of tinned food under the house for the zombie apocalypse pal.

You claim all 177 people arrested are hard core murdrers, everyone shot or killed was a hard core criminal who deserved it, and the different official versions released each day are not to be questioned unless a person is insane and believes in zombies. The KGB used to accuse anyone who questioned the state of being insane and sent them to gulags. You would do well as a Nazi or Communist.

Well said.

alice cooper put up a good link, many judges, not a few, but many are questioning the warrants, they were issued by a justice of the peace, not a judge who knows the law.

also many are now wondering about the excessive bail, that a judge said was to send a message, a 1

million dollar bail for each defendant is unheard of, its never happened before anywhere,

the first media reports that came out, are starting to look now like they are deeply flawed, does any one know yet who fired the first shots?

im hearing on some sites the cops unloaded on them within 1 minute of arriving. can anybody dispel that rumor ?

vehicle seizures;

Ok, so they arrest 170+ for being involved in a "gang" related capital murder. A month later and waco pd still saying they are ALL guilty.

I forget the exact number of cars and bikes snatched up when this happened, but IIRC well over 100.

So, if you arrest 170+, and have strong cases against all of them, as waco pd says, why on earth would you wait 'til the last possible day and then attempt to seize only 25 of them???

to me that screams "we got no case on most of these folks).

http://www.kwtx.com/news/local/headlines...-307981291.html

yes, very strange indeed, its going to be interesting to see what kind of cases they have.

every day the Waco police start to smell more, and more.

One million dollars bail for 177 people and one month later no official charges or grand juries yet. Even people the police know were not involved or were inside the restaurant eating have not been released yet. How can the police claim they were there to hurt or kill people when they were sitting at a table eating when the shooting started outside? Who would bring their 60 year old wife who is a grandmother to a gang fight? Why are the police still holding these grannies on $1 million bail claiming they were there to kill people? The amazing thing is there are still idiots out there who believe the police claim that everyone arrested was a violent criminal that planned to murder people at the restaurant when the vast majority of those arrested have no criminal records and some don't even own a motorcycle.

^^^^

who would bring their 60 year old wife to a gang meeting?

It wasn't a fucking gang meeting cook.quit bn n ass n baiting people

There was a c.o.c meeting in va not long ago over the pagans having support clubs in warlock territory. No violence.

I don't know how the cops can justify what they have done, no charges yet, still like alice cooper says, a million dollars bail.

if we had a free press, they would be all over this injustice,
we do not have a press where the victims side can
be heard, and this is a grave injustice.

the latest narrative from waco pd; this was a gang meeting where the Bandidos and Cossacks were meeting to discuss biker gang control of Texas.

It's being painted as a showdown.

The Bandidos are the biggest or 2nd biggest non-black 1% club in the US (next to Hells Angels). They have US membership of around 1,200 and Texas is their home state. Bandidos=Texas.

So for the big showdown...the Cossacks arrived w/about 60, which represents approximately 1/10th their Texas membership.

And the Bandidos, one of the most powerful bike clubs in the history of bike clubs, shows up at a planned meeting to protect their spiritual home with...


wait for it...




about 20-24 members total, in 2 groups no less, or about 2% of their nationwide membership. Hmmmm not really aligning with biker gangs and "total war" as a primary philosophy.

City of Waco Moves to Block Subpoena for Twin Peaks Restaurant Surveillance Video

“It is troubling that the City of Waco would go to such lengths to suppress this video,” said Broden. “The Waco Police have repeatedly given the public contradictory information about the events at Twin Peaks and have said that the video will support its current version of the facts, yet they have now taken this extraordinary measure to interfere with the subpoena process,” he added.

Broden said if, and when he gets the video, he will make it public.

http://www.kcentv.com/story/29410760/bikers-subpoena-quashed


Yep, the cops are telling the truth and have nothing to hide. We should all blindly believe the official version even though they are trying their hardest to hide all of the video evidence and autopsy reports. LOL

According to Justice Department , Bandidos are the largest numbers wise (900 nationwide).

Of course they don't want it out. Wonder why?

Why didn't they just send a few representatives from each club to discuss their beef instead of 80 bikers in total?

And the meeting spot they chose was one they knew was monitored by police.

It was never planned to be a biker brawl or as a criminal meeting. They have these meetings once or more a year to discuss politics issues such as helmet laws, insurance, and other biker safety issues. It's also a social gathering for talking shop and meeting people. Most of the attendees are not in the outlaw gangs. The issue is that some outlaw gangs always show up to flex their muscle and act tough, but most of the time nothing happens. The rest of the bikers have no reason to hide form the cops and you really can't hide because the meeting site and time is made public for all MC's. The only beef was between the Cossacks and Bandidos and I don't think they planned on any violence considering the place was surrounded by cops.

Exactly. People keep thinking there was 250 1%'ers there and that is FAR from the truth.

The Justice of the Peace has been removed from the case and the next one in line says they will recluse themselves because she can't be impartial...

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_...19e64d47cd.html

edit: this is for the civil rights case. As for the grand jury part of things, the prosecutors had previously been given an extra 30 days to "get things together"...

Government "Biker Gang Expert" arrested on child porn charges...this guy has been a nationally quoted Waco PD support mouthpiece up until now...

http://ntdaily.com/recent-unt-professor-charged-with-9-counts-of-child-pornography/

http://www.agingrebel.com/13251

camera footage was released at the end of October

As we said, all those guys inside the restaurant did nothing except for the one guy that ran in with a weapon, yet ALL OF THEM were arrested. Show me what any guy inside done other than hide and get people in the bathrooms, etc. Yet all of them paid the prices for the ones outside doing whatever they were doing.

Waco PD definitely didn't want this out there.

6 civil rights suits going

grand jury rubber stamping indictments for likely all 177, did 106 in just one day

still no ballistics

still no police parking lot footage which shows what really happened

still a gag order on all defendants

cossack passed polygraph saying they weren't there for violence

waco pd has admitted they asked the cossacks to go to the meeting and meet w/bandidos---then waco, fbi and atf set-up shop and waited in the parking lot. Undercover police were/are members of cossacks mc. Almost like police instigated the massacre?

How many lives ruined so far? Jobs and businesses lost, homes lost, even children custody lost over this.

And every one of those people on the deck who did nothing but run away are looking at 15 to life---for running away.

at 10 seconds in look at the guy bottom left who shakes his head as he walks away. He's looking at 15 to life for that.

One of the Bandidos, i think the first guy to post $1 million bail has demanded a speedy trial and looks like they are fighting all the way and want his case to be the test case, not let the DA force a plea bargain from some non-player in order to set precedent for everyone to be forced into following.

Good, hope he burns their ass! Too many being railroaded over NOTHING.

very long GQ article, released BEFORE the video came out, about the entire story


http://www.gq.com/story/untold-story-texas-biker-gang-shoot-out

yes, some errors in there, but was glad to see it. IIRC both times they leaked video so far it was the day after a bunch of critical national press...

As usual this continues to smell like shit.

Where's the outrage from the media ??

Not interested because the bikers were white ??

you are so right Dixie, but, it may take years to find out the truth.

you cant believe anything the major media reports about it. not a word !!

Because Waco PD got the jump on them and had that presser before they could even get out to start the outrage. That idiot made sure to bloody the waters of potential jurors and the media by saying they were all crooks and outlaw bikers and that simply isn't the case.

Granted I'm not saying there wasn't any outlaws there, but if you think the majority of the 177 were outlaws you would be sadly mistaken. If I'm on that video I done lost everything, so what's begging a lawyer to do this pro bono and nail their ass? I wouldn't care anymore because I'm broke and without a job obviously at that point.

Meanwhile Gomer is trying to push his fame into being Sheriff. That's just what we need...

there is a gag order on all 177. they can't really tell their stories.

CNN Special Report

Biker Brawl-Inside the Texas Shootout airing right now.

Yep it wasn't too bad, but CNN could have done better. It does help show how ignorant Waco was in all of this.