Hitting or putting hands on made guy 2015

How well at this point in time do you think this rule is respected and when broken can you, could you or definitely will end up dead? Will the Mob still be willing to kill over this rule?

Depends on the situation and what/who involves in the altercation. If its personal interactions with a regular joe I don't think it matters. Someone posted a incident with one of the NY mobsters getting attack by someone's family member.
I would say it's generally no difference from 100 years ago, if its personal incident with civilians then it doesn't matter if he's an "official" member or not.

Im sure thee is still a rule BUT nowadys its probably easier to get away with without consequences mostly because mob killings have decreased dramatically since the govt is much stronger. The most recent case was probably the Paulie Gulino/Spero incident in 1993 i believe

I think you might me talking about the Marty Angelina domestic incident in Philly. But it was recently reported that he was also beaten up by a local gang member (The 10th and O Gang) earlier this year, and the guy who beat him up was merely forced to apologize. I don't know if it's true or not. But either way, things have certainly changed.

Here's the article: http://citypaper.net/article.php?No-Fear-22540

Eh i know philly is still la cosa nostra but they are not even close to being in the same league as maybe a family like the genovese in terms of respect and rules would be my theory and potential fact. I can see philly guys being just regilar gangsters if you ask me but NY is way more serious and makes so much more money meaning they probably take themselves more seriously

Man Angelina is a drunken loser.

Think he spit on a cop when he got a DUI or something like that too.

Rat finger Lou was going to have him beat up and nobody did shit about it.

Doesnt seem well respected, I wonder if he was ever really underboss or how he got that title. He is a mess.

I think he is out of prison or will be released soon. I wonder where he will fit in.

Angelina makes me laugh, he's a nobody. Only reason he got his button was he kissed Merlino's arse. I bet nobody in S Philly respects him.

That is why I am wondering about his old "Underboss" title.

Rat Finger Lou was an associate, and it was known he was trying to or had hired guys to beat him.

Hell no nobody respects him...nothing was done

Imagine an associate in a NY family plotting or hiring guys to put the UB in the hospital

This is not a knock on Philly. But you can rest assured, that if anyone raised their hands to the skinny guy, the guy in Country Club, or anyone else in the Westside administration, that they'd end up just as dead as guys who did it thirty years go. And I personally don't know anyone deader than that.

Murders are way down for all of the reasons that we've talked about in other threads recently. But there are still ways to get yourself killed. Being a complete fucking idiot and laying your hands on a Genovese or Gambino administration guy is a good way to start.

Or imagine a 10th and O gang member laying hands on a Scarfo underboss. "I'm sorry, Nicky." Yeah, that would have patched things up .

Did the 10th and O gang know he was with the Philly mob though? I think retaliation mostly matters if the person who touches the made guy knows his made... you can't blame some guy who lost his temper on some wiseguy if he thought he was just some schmuck.

If not though, not even an ass kicking in retaliation to the Angelina beating?

Of course they knew he was made, Angelina has had his button for a long time and everyone knows everyone in Philly. They just didn't give a fuck.

I have to agree. From what I understand, 10th and O was a recruiting ground for the Philly mob at one time, no?

If that's the case, whoever smacked him had to know.

How big is the 10th and O gang then? They must carry some weight to not be worth the trouble of bothering with retaliations

Yeah, Scarfo didn't fuck around either.

the underboss has to be protected better

where the fuck was his bodyguard plus lackies

Not my town. But with a guy like Scarfo, his rep, and his ties to the Westside through Manna, it doesn't need to be. The guy would have been trunked within fucking days.

They kind of were. But they have probably been against the mob as many times as they were allied. A lot of crazy guys in that gang. Violent guys.

Went after Merlino before. And beat up the Pagans MC Philly chapter president

chicago would kill u too, thats an insult the whole family

Angelina was indicted as a captain in the last case.

I don't think that ignorance is tolerated well either. If you don't know they are made, then you should have. At least those higher up. Disrespect of a made man, his wife or family will get at least a 'talking to'. How that talk goes will vary according to the crime (sorry had to). I know of those who disrespected regular employees who were asked to leave the premises quietly or they could be taken out. Most chose to walk away.

I doubt anyone would lift their hands to the likes of uncle Joe either

Its about who has the respect

With the kind of violent history CN has, a threat would seem to carry enough weight to rarely ever have to follow through

Yeah I didn't mean recently. But at one point I believe he was reported to be UB (joke if you ask me)

Now he is a capo...lol, Last thing they need is more captains

They need to start making some people before they have more captains then soldiers

Angelina wasn't an UB, maybe some kind of street boss or something and some of the 1oth and O guys were fkn nuts, like guy who went after debarge singer and also dipeitro cousin who may or may not have killed the guy at bar on delaware ave but bit the bullet and stood tall
but understand what you all are saying about laying hands on made guys, im sure you can test the theory out on the philly guys saturday night in boca

Nicky Slick was a wild card. Was talking about the hit before it happened in jail

10th and "o" just showed the guy in boca what they feel about him and his crew

where's anthony nicodemo when u need him

yup on him and he is one who got caught because he was such a cowboy and didnt care, imagine some of those dudes who are still out running the streets, problems is now that some of the guys are getting out and off paper the OC guys in philly might start trying to take back what was their's from these guys who run some areas of philly in terms of drugs and other rackets they have going on

Angelina was merely 'acting' Underboss at one point for Ligambi while Merlino was in jail. That move was made while Massimino was in prison too and was meant to appease Joey; it was merely a titular position only. Staino was really the de facto underboss for Uncle Joe at the time.

Not for 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure the beating Angelina took from the 10th & O gang was several years ago. Merlino was definitely in jail and Marty went to Uncle Joe looking for reprisal, and Ligambi only asked the guys to apologize! And I believe he did spit on the officers after being arrested after a fight with his girlfriend, and he also was arrested for assaulting an officer/FBI agent back in 1999 while Merlino was being arrested in Margate for his RICO charges.

Per the 10th & O gang, I've heard they are pretty powerful in their own right. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that Phil Narducci has a bunch of those guys under his wing. He may be building a pretty powerful following in the street.

A crazy friend of mine was gonna get in a argument with a hells lucky he didn't cause just like a made guy I think there's long memory's and its not just a bar brawl ect. Like the major bike crew and lcn its forever not like gangs where someone has a kid or falls in love got a good job or turns 30 and says wtf I've been listening to tupac for to long. It will probaly still come back to bite you in the ass if your still in there location.

As an outsider to Philly I find that very interesting.

Which part, PB? The fact that Narducci has 10th & Oregon guys in his crew, or that he's been steadily building a heavy following in the city since his release from prison? As someone said earlier in the thread, many of the 10th & O guys have been Philly mob associates for some time.

Narducci hates Merlino with a PASSION, as do most of the old time Scarfo era gangsters. They view Joey and his guys as J.V. mobsters and street corner punks, and they definitely don't believe that he should be the boss. With all of the Scarfo soldiers lined up behind Narducci, and another heavy hitter like "Faffy" Iannarella due out soon, the Philly family is now more than ever divided down the middle into factions. Phil has made it no secret that he wants to be the boss. It's been reported by Scott Burnstein and several others that Stevie Mazzone (Joey's acting/street boss) is so well liked between both factions that he is basically bridging the gap between them and keeping the peace.

I've read that, and THAT'S the part that I find very interesting. Maybe he's beefing things up for a reason. But I'm way out of school here. You know me. I'll talk with authority when I'm in my comfort zone, and when I truly believe what I'm posting.

Philly's ninety miles from the Bronx. But I don't pretend to know shit about the place except that I miss the Mets games at the old Veteran's Stadium. I used to come down for Mets-Phils two or three times a year. Citizens Bank Park might be nicer, but it's not as gritty. I like gritty.

Gritty is good if if is actually gritty. The new Yankee stadium tried go keep that feel - huge mistake. That place can't hold a candle to Citifield, which is too bad. The old stadium in the Bronx blew Shea out of the water.

I did enjoy the most recent subway series, though. Mets got humbled. :-)

Wait, did you just say Faffy Iannarella is getting out soon? I was under the impression he was serving a state sentence of LIFE for the murder of Franklin the flower maker?

Faffy" is coming home" in 16 give or take.
The old guard may have a nice coming home gift for him or they may wait for him to get out.He is very well liked ,and will be set the minute he gets into town.

Phil Leonetti" is or was just in town again ,he did or is doing a local show with a guy Harry Hurley(don't know when it airs) and harry knows him a little being a local" and Harry's brother being LE" makes it a little easy for him to call Phil.He was on his show back in 2012.

There is one thing about Phil he knows or is ready for someone to take a shot at him cos he is not like the other rats ,he stays out on the lime light pretty good.

With the old guard getting members back and old business partners and associates coming back into the fold, cos not fearing Skinny as much as in the past things are getting very interesting in Philly.I just want Skinny to walk around Philly .

And "Phil" better watch his ass cos Philly will shoot still.....

From what I gather Narducci has nothing to do with the administration, None of the Scarfo guys are with Narducci, not even his brother, they're all under Joe Pungitore.

Herd that money" and I think you may be on the right tract.
Then again it could be a way of keeping them all guessing.

I have a feeling there will be a answer as soon as we see where Skinny lands,cos the season in Fla. is almost over and no reason for him to be there in dead season...
Even so you don't run a city from a 1000 miles away full time . That's a good way to end up dead, unless you are staying to remain alive....

Yes. Faffy's expected release date is 7/8/2016 according to the Federal BOP website. The Frankie Flowers conviction was overturned in 1997 for all of those convicted. Ligambi was also part of that case and released after it was overturned.

And Money, you may be correct that the few former Scarfo soldiers that are back in the fold may be with Joey Pung. The key here is that neither one of those factions (Narducci or Pungitore) have much respect for Joey Merlino or believe that he should be the boss. And I've heard that Narducci doesn't care much for Joey Pung these days either, supposedly because Pung was 'forced' to participate in Chickie Narducci's murder by Scarfo. On that factor alone, I couldn't see Frank Narducci being with Joey Pung -- the other guys, maybe.

At the end of the day though, I don't think the Pungitore's care much about the big chair or politics of the family or anything like that. They just want to make money and they already have several legitimate businesses. Narducci is the one who is power hungry and has made it widely known that he wants the top spot. If he wanted to make a move, I believe the Scarfo soldiers (even if they are with Joey Pung now) would line up behind him if he were to go against the Merlino faction.

The rule applies to everyone apart from Robert Mormando. He loves when unmade guys hit on him and put their hands on him.

That fastest way probaly get made today is probaly bash a guys head in with a bat if he put his hands on a made guy and make sure other made guys know you did it. Killing is a thing of the past. Make your name. I'm sure then some food head willing to crack skulls for Angelina.

George Conte was said to have roughed up Sal Avellino.

Sal Avellino, whose inquisitiveness on those tapes ended up putting Corallo under. Though nobody holds this against him.

Sal Avellino, who wanted to stay on the prison bus when Casso & Georgie Neck put together that plan to bust Casso & Lastorino out of police custody by ambushing said prison bus.

Don't be. Nothing will come of it. Narducci isn't that smart of a guy and is being appeased by Merlinos faction.

At one point they were floating making him acting boss, just so the heat was on him, but Merlino and his guys would ultimately be calling the shots.

Mazzone is the go between, and is calming Narducci, as Phil respects him as do many others. Joey isn't as dumb as some make him out to be.

Without Stevie, there might be a problem...of which Narducci would still come out on the losing end of.

Ask any of the people you trust on Philly and I suspect they will tell you the same

he didnt get caught because he was a cowboy though

they booked him for it and he lost at trial even though it was a friend of his that supposedly did it

he was nowhere near the height of the suspected shooter and had different hair color, but he would never rat on his friends

he was just there

Does the mob actually control street gangs and can order them to carry out hits etc? Just wondering whether the 10th and O gang were in the position with the Philly Mob years back

Read sal and his brother carmine a capo so that probaly puts the guy who put there hands on him in a real bad spot. These old guys don't forget. Tony ducks the boss didn't wholes him respocible for the tapes they all fucked up shouldn't have talked in a car. That shit about him not wanting to escape worked for him he didn't about 10 years and been free for awhile. Lil al tries to make him look like a pansy in his book for reasons he only knows.

I read Joey Punge is fully retired and in real estate and that Anthony is active.

Could be.

He was always one of the brighter guys in the Philly mob.

I hope this isn't to far off topic on this specific discussion, but here it goes...
Marty is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed, but you gotta give him some credit. he's don't multiple stints in jail and never flipped, that has to count for something.

obviously it all depends on the situation and who the guy is connected to. depends on where you are and the family too.

listen my man im a regular guy and Italian also.. if I were to feel threatened in any way by anybody I will defend my self..So should you... if it happens your a pathetic mobster and you get your jaw broken so what..!! what they gonna do im general public.. they don't know me or you.. if anyone were to threaten me afterward I go to police.. they aint got the guts to fight... they gonna shoot you from behind.. and guys like you and I should not be messed with.. by the way me and about 20,000 other Marines and Army brothers really run fire and maneuver...! No pathetic mobster got the guts to do that.. or Wake up an go to work every day..