John Alite

Was he even made or could of he been made? Read he had some Albanian in him but must of been on mothers side as the name alite sounds Italian. Was he a big as a player with the gambinos as Trevor McDonald made out or was he just another wannabe punk?

Think he changed his name to sound Italian?

Seems to have just been a low level associate, all that talk on the Trevor McDonald to sell his book..

No.

Use the search feature. There's a ten page thread on the guy that's literally no more than a month and a half old.


No, he went by Alletto to sound Italian. But his lineage is from Kosovo on both sides of his family.

Certainly enjoyed his ten minutes of fame on Trev's show!!

If I ever hear or read the name john fucking alite one more time I'm gonna flip.

Like John Alite did?

Between some people here and that jew with the Italian name, I've had enough john alite to last ten lifetimes

Never liked him..he was a gofer..

I bet George wishes he could take that book back. Alite is full of shit. Him and Jr both rats but Jr had money homes a trunking comp a button. Alite had nothing once the coke money dried up. He ran down Tampa and tried bullying people under the gotti flag and it didn't last long. Gotti crushes all alites claims in his book that's about it. Some of the shit alite said on the stand should have had him in a perjury trap but when's the last time the gov did that to one of there own. When the other cop killer calabro going for sentence the papers are gonna have a field day.

Alite is a low level rat who's only fame comes from having known Jr. Everytime I see this prick I want to throw up!

Not if it's selling, he doesn't. There's no such thing as bad publicity in the literary world. And the more that people hate on the book and on Alite, the more money they're putting in George's pockets.

You got a problem with Jews fuckstick?

You got a problem with Jews fuckstick? [/quote

Internet tough guy, watchout

Jews are ok. I don't wanna give the other site a plug here by naming him specifically. I just like to point out the pretend act too. Andrew Dice Clay probably gave him that idea

He's talking about Ed's obsession with Alite I think, it's gotten to the point where it's too much... there's like a dozen different articles about Alite. I know this whole feud is interesting to some but give me a break, it's not like they're out gunning for each other.

Bingo. That guy has such a crush on alite I think they have matching tattoos on their hearts. Plus the writer has such a thing against gotti, it makes me think he wishes he was involved somehow. Maybe he can convince alite to start a crew with him in it and they can fight what's left of the gotti family

Very true. Because if that was the case, Leiber would no longer be writing his column. Because he'd be as dead as his website.

Alite's a murderous, lying rat, and the scum of the earth. But Ed's an academic sissy writing through a phony pseudonym to live a vicarious fantasy where he wasn't the little fag who got his lunch money swiped right through high school.

I lol'd.. yeah I figured you meant him since Alite's Albanian not jewish. Makes me feel bad for being Albanian, this scumbag.. along with Rudaj and the rest of these donkeys.

You're greek, blacsheep? Born in Greece or just Greek-American? I'm guessing the latter.


@PB, I know, man... he makes it out to be almost like the old BIG and Tupac beefs, and even THAT wasn't really that big.

I'm born here but lived quite a few years over there. A few years as a baby and 5 years more recently. I was in albania for a wedding once. I went to sarande and vouliarates.

I swore I wouldn't post on any thread that had to do with Alite or Gottii Jr. but this ED bashing I couldn't pass up lol

whats the reason for being that personal? He's just a human being which tries as best as he can, at least that is what i chose to belive. Don't know if you have in fact other knowledge or reasons to be that personal. I read his blog from time to time, there a few gems. I have enough knowledge to recognize exaggerated things/fantasies..
And whats the deal with his pseudonym? He's a journalist for christs sake, not everybody wants to be affiliated with OC after a quick google.. just my 2 cents

Because he's attacked me on his blog when I called him out for giving Cicale a platform at the EXACT SAME TIME that it was revealed that Cicale was trying to con the Basciano family out of money on the premise that he could get Vinny a mistrial.

I knew about the shakedown six months before the story broke, and there are posters here who can verify that. Do you really think that Ed should have given this scumbag a voice, knowing full well that he was still trying to shake down the Bascianos? Knowing what I just told you about Ed, could you still defend him?

Funny how that didn't make it into Ed's book, huh? But it did come out later in Gangland, a much more reputable source, where Jerry Capeci ripped Ed a new asshole for omitting the shakedown from the book.


Well, having said what I just posted above, and having lived four houses away from Vinny for many years, and having watched his boys grow up with my girls, hopefully now you understand a little bit better the way I feel. And I don't sugarcoat criminality for one minute. You kill people, you belong in jail. But Cicale DRAGGED THE MAN'S EX-WIFE AND CHILDREN into it in his shakedown, and this was WHILE ED WAS WRITING THAT BOOK.


I don't read his malware filled site. But when he breaks his first gem, you be sure to let me know.


It's not that he uses a pseudonym. It's that he constantly lies about being Italian. His real name is Ed Lieber. He's Jewish, and I have nothing but love for the Jews. But he could just have easily picked a Jewish pseudonym. By swearing that he's Italian, (which was torn to threads on another site through a simple Genealogy/Ancestry search), he displays a certain self-hatred that turns me off.


That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Thank you for that. Calling Ed a journalist is like calling Al Sharpton a responsible Black leader.

You've been here a couple of years now, Mickey, and you seem like a nice guy who doesn't look for trouble. I've been here for quite a bit longer and I rarely look for trouble myself. But this is, indeed, VERY personal for me. I hate Dom Cicale, and I loathe Lieber for giving him a voice. I hope they give each other AIDS and fucking die. But for the sake of the board, and out of respect for the mods, I'd rather just let it go. Enjoy your weekend .

PB laid it all out perfect, but just to add my own 2 cents, I have seen PB discussed on that site, and never in a flattering way. Ed and the regulars who comment have spent a good deal of time blasting PB calling him a rat (which we all know is total crap), making him out to be a liar and a fanboy, etc. The guy on the other site throws plenty of jabs at PB. I was kinda shocked when I saw it the first time

It's all one guy, blacksheep. It's that Italian Heritage/Cornuto Contento, who's been bounced from every site and can't get away with badmouthing me anywhere else but with Ed.

At the risk of sounding immodest, the mods on ALL OF THESE SITES bounce him every time his jealousy of my knowledge rears its ugly head. He's sick in the head, and envious of everyone who knows more about the life than he does, which is everyone.

The rest of the people taking potshots at me and at this board are all Ed talking to himself under different usernames.

PB I'm planning on starting the Vinny Gorgeous book... what did you think of it, worth a read or not? Does it have a lot of mistakes? Does it cover most of the basic stuff? Not planning on getting Cicale's book so that's why I'm asking.



I've always suspected that, glad I'm not the only one... now I'm beginning to think you might be right. There's just way too many fanboys. I'm sure he's got a dozen loyal readers but some of them are just over the top, some guy RICO comes to mind along with others.

Ha that italian heritage guy is exactly who it was.. going back and forth with some other jerkoff.

thanks for clearin' all up, and it wasn't meant as a joke - google him and it pops up. good day sir

It's okay, Mal. But nowhere near as good as DeStefano's book about Massino. He spoiled us with that one.

One of my old tenants was interviewed for that book. She worked as a hairdresser for Vinny for years. Still cuts hair in Throggs Neck. Nice gal. She used to post here but got tossed off for being a bit too, um, unobjective about Vinny. You think I'm bad?

And there are certainly some mistakes that I'll run through with you in private after you read it (especially about some regular working people who were falsely labeled associates). So having said that, I guess I'm saying you should read it .

No problem, Mickey. Like I said, you're a quality poster, and I meant that. That's why we have an open and civilized dialogue here .

Unobjective meaning too favorable to him or on the contrary, bashing him?

A question by the way: in the Basciano book Massino never managed to tape an outright confession out of him, he only taped Vinny saying Michael Mancuso okayed the hit. But do you think it was implied Mancuso got an ok from Basciano or did he gave the order on his own?
It's somehow confusing in the quotes: "I didn't do it, do you know what I mean?" which is sometimes interpreted as an allusion to "I did do it, but not with my own hands".

P.S. Could you please later check the PM on the other forum?

Here is the Capeci article Mickey2:

March 5, 2015 This Week in Gang Land
By Jerry Capeci

Mob Turncoat Who Sent Vinny Gorgeous Away For Life Allegedly Extorted Basciano Family For 200K

Turncoat wiseguy Dominick Cicale, who bragged that he put "the nail in the coffin" of his imprisoned-for-life former mob superior, Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano, also had another slick move for his old pal's family: He tried to extort $200,000 from them last summer, according to information that a private investigator provided the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's office.

Cicale, a murderous drug dealer who described himself last year in a letter to a federal judge as an "extremely talented author, singer and inspirational speaker," has never been short on boastful, arrogance. The former Bonanno capo has written a fanciful book in which he crows about his prowess as a businessman, a gangster, and a mob turncoat. You can hear some of his same boasts on YouTube.

But Cicale kept his dealings with Basciano's family on the down low, apparently. The alleged shakedown of Basciano's wife Angela and her sons came one month after Cicale sent a letter to a federal judge proposing leniency for Joseph Basciano for a marijuana drug rap, according to court papers obtained by Gang Land.

"It was a complete scam," said private investigator James Dowd, who told Gang Land that Cicale offered to provide the Bascianos a "get out of jail" card for Vinny Gorgeous. "He has no information that could help Vinny; he was just trying to get money out of the Bascianos," said Dowd.

Cicale put the scam into motion at 9 AM last August 9 when he called Frank (Frankie The Florist) Villano, a longtime Basciano family friend at a flower shop he operated in the Throgs Neck section of the Bronx. Cicale told Villano he had some important info for the Bascianos and asked him to get one of the Basciano brothers to his store by noon so he could speak to him.

Joseph Basciano was at Frankie The Florist's flower shop on East Tremont Avenue when Cicale called at noon. Villano gave the phone to Basciano, according to an affidavit by the florist. "After a brief conversation," Villano wrote, "Joe hung up on him," but Cicale immediately called back and told Villano, "I know he's still standing there with you so tell him I'm willing to help his dad get a new trial."

Cicale, 46, testified three times against Basciano, who was convicted of racketeering or murder at three trials and is currently serving life at the Supermax federal prison in Florence, Colorado. As his reward, Cicale, who admitted taking part in two murders with Basciano, got 10 years in prison. He was released in 2013.

"Cicale then said that he would call me back later in the evening," wrote Villano, adding that when the mob defector did, he spelled out his demands to Frankie The Florist.

Some of Cicale's calls were tape-recorded, according to sources.

"I can guarantee his father a new trial," Cicale said, according to the affidavit. "I spoke with my lawyers, and although they told me not to do it, I think it's the right thing to do," Cicale said, Villano wrote, stating that Cicale "went on to say he testified against his father because as a cooperator, the Government instructed him what to say."

"Cicale then stated, 'I want to be compensated for this because I'm risking everything. I want $200,000, with $70,000 up front and delivered to my mom tomorrow. As soon as my mom gets the money, I'll go to my lawyers and get the ball rolling. After that, we'll work the rest out,'" Villano wrote.

In the affidavit, Villano wrote that Cicale said he "never thought" he would ever have to take the stand against Vinny Gorgeous "because I thought he would take a plea deal. But instead (he) went to trial" and "put me in the position to be a cooperator."

Early the next morning, Cicale called Villano on his cell phone, and rejected a suggestion to discuss the matter with Vincent Basciano Jr., who, like his brother Joseph, had pleaded guilty to marijuana trafficking charges, but was free on bail at the time. Cicale stated, "There's nothing to talk about, so if my mom doesn't get the money, I have the answer," Villano wrote.

All told, Villano wrote in a September 30, 2014 affidavit, he spoke to Cicale a total of five or six times — all in calls from a phone with a blocked telephone number — regarding his stated plan to help Vinny Gorgeous overturn convictions that include two life sentences.

In a companion affidavit, Joseph Basciano, who most likely was suspicious of Cicale from the get go, wrote about the brief conversation he had with the mob turncoat before he angrily hung up on him. Cicale said, "I have some information that could benefit your dad," but then quickly, and inexplicably added, "last winter you found some money in the snow."

"At this point," wrote Basciano, "I stopped him and said, 'I never found any money in the snow,' and hung up on him. I know this was Dominick Cicale because I know his voice and have known him for many years."

In early October, Dowd, who told Gang Land that he agreed to look into Cicale's "extortion scam" and prepare affidavits for Villano and Joseph Basciano after Vincent Jr. contacted him about it, submitted a two page affidavit by Villano to the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's office because the alleged crime took place in the Bronx, where the Bascianos reside.

Preparing the Joseph Basciano affidavit took a lot longer, said Dowd. That's because Basciano began serving a six-month prison term at the Metropolitan Correctional Center a few days after he spoke to Cicale and Dowd wasn't able to have it signed and notarized until January 22.

Last year, Cicale co-authored a book, Cosa Nostra News: The Cicale Files. The book was a little short on real facts, however, regarding a March 1999 mob murder that occurred while he was in prison, months before he met Vinny Gorgeous. Next month, the claim is that Cicale will disclose "never-been-told-before details" about the "missing money" from the storied 1978 Lufthansa Airlines heist in a new book.

In yet another remarkably ballsy move, Cicale has moved back to the Bronx, a decision announced in January of last year in a quickie YouTube bit as he stood with the elevated #6 line that runs on Westchester Avenue in the background. He followed that in May with a longer YouTube rap in which he boasts of rubbing elbows with "mayors, senators and bank presidents" (all unnamed) as he made $10 million in four years after getting out of prison in late 1999.

"I changed with the times," is the song that singer Cicale croons on YouTube. "That's why I cooperated. All the dinosaurs are going to die in jail. I chose a different path to rebuild myself. To rebuild my brand. To come out there and do good."

Assistant U.S attorney Laurie Korenbaum declined to discuss the case with Gang Land. But law enforcement sources say that after two criminal investigators looked into the allegations, the case was referred to her counterparts in Brooklyn. That's where prosecutors sang Cicale's praises at his sentencing in 2012, and where Cicale, who professed he was a changed man, still has three years of strict post-prison supervised release to complete.

After ducking Gang Land's calls for nearly two days, Frankie The Florist finally got on the phone, explaining his reluctance this way: "Look at the position I'm in. I'm stuck in the middle. On one side of me I got this guy, and on this side of me I got another guy. A damned if you do, and damned if you don't situation."

When pressed about the accuracy of his affidavit, Villano said simply: "It's a federal offense to lie in one of those things." Lying apparently isn't something Cicale has worried too much about.

Just as an FYI that biggie and tupac beef was very very real and very very serious

The suge vs puffy beef was even bigger with many dying as a result including biggie

thanks a lot beansi! A real Man of Honor, huh?

Re the article that Beanshooter posted: He just HAD TO drag Frankie Villano into it, a poor working guy who's been at Tremont and Randall forever.

Vinny's legitimate office used to be right next door in the same "strip mall." That's the extent of their "association." Now because of this bullshit, Frankie's picture is probably on a wall somewhere being ogled by a guy who never left Nebraska .

But leave it to a bottom feeder like Cicale to exploit an honest working man and drag his good name through the mud. But Ed Lieber's the guy with all the information, so what the fuck do I know?

I apologize, Dwalin. You're a good and respectful kid. I promise to get back to you over the weekend. It's just that I'm very gun shy about pms these days. You know why. Fool me once and all that.

Talk soon,

PB

Hello, Pizza Boy. Wow, thanks for exposing this piece of garbage cicale. I thought alite was a little bit of a slime ball but this guy cicale takes the cake. Not only did he screw the father, but he tried extorting and maybe even setting up the kids joe and vin. Thats a slimy guy and a punk and to get a civilian flower shop owner involved is a rat move.

Thanks PB.

i really hope someone in the Bronx catches cicale slipping and stomps his head in... wont happen but I can dream.

I 100% agree with you dsbaloo, cicale did enough damage to that family as is.

He might be the exception. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part. But this asshole had the audacity to claim that a Westside guy named Ernie gave him his start, and claimed that he later told him that he understood why he did what he did to Basciano.

There's only one Ernie in the Bronx (old East Harlem faction), as far as I'm concerned, and there's no way in fucking Hell that he ever gave that piece of shit Cicale the time of day. For Cicale to claim that he did is a slap in the face to a truly honorable guy.

There's some more to it. But I have to leave it at that.

How the fuck did this Cicale get made and promoted to capo in like, a year? Was he some kind of earner? Was it because of a power vacuum? Was it purely because of his relationship to Vinny? I don't get it. Maybe I should just read the Vinny book before asking these questions.
I will read it since it's a gift I got in hardcover, so it's not like I'm gonna go out and buy it.

Because a) Vinny had a terrible habit of adopting strays. He's goodhearted like that (it also shows that there's more to him than just being a gangster).

And b) Which is the really important part, and the nearly impossible part for the fanboys to grasp (and I certainly don't mean you, Malandrino). The mob is a fucking shell of its former self.

They've stabilized a little bit these past ten years. But when Cicale got his button? They'd make anyone with one functioning kidney and a hundred dollar bill in his pocket.

This piece of shit needs to be hit, period.

Ha that's great info pizza.. Cicale is literally such a fucking liar it really bothers me.. That westside stuff is obviously pure fabrication.. The fact he moved back to the neighborhood really annoys also.. You ruined peoples lives and then you're going to ccome back to the neighborhood and rub it in? That's fucked up. If some piece of garbage got my dad life in supermax and then was back around strolling the neighborhood living his life like everythings great.. That would really get to me..
Love his bullshit stories also about how much of a monster earner he was.. Acting like everyone else in the family was a bunch of brokesters and he was making millions on his own.. Guys a fucking clown and owed everyone money. I don't think he's capable of earning on his own, he's way too fucking stupid. You can tell just looking at his face he's slow as hell mentally.
He would have been an even bigger joke on the street if he didn't have vinny to cosign him.. Can't blame vinny for feeling bad for him and taking him in.. I would compare it to finding an abandoned kid on the street who's blind and has down syndrome.

From how I take it, Cicale was allready a rat, and nobody wanted him around, but Vinny wanted to believe in the dude, and stood up for him, basically saved his life,gave him a purpose, and this piece of shit repaid him by rolling on him, and trying to extort his family.

I heard it from Ed Scarpo. He's really Italian, 55 years old, originally from Hoffman and 187th, and he's lived in Throggs Neck for the past 27 years. Oh wait, that's me .


Just to clarify, he's not living in Pelham Bay, Throggs Neck or Country Club, where there are still a few heavyweights living. Although he did shoot that ridiculous Youtube video near the Buhre Avenue station, not far from where he stiffed a barber (another poor working guy) for something like 30k. Vinny flipped when he found out, but he was already inside when it happened. Another scumbag move.

He's probably living on 162nd and Melrose with his rat girlfriend (who broke up Vinny's 25 year marriage), and their ugly mulatto kid, who looks like one of those old zippy the monkey dolls that used to smile and clap its hands.

If he moves back to any of the neighborhoods that I mentioned, the Feds put him up to it. No ifs, ands or buts. The fact that they're not charging the piece of shit with extorting the Bascianos only tells me that they were a party to it. They were looking to set up the kids with assault and/or conspiracy charges.

And my hatred for Lieber stems from the fact that he was researching that "book" at the exact same time this attempted shakedown went down. He had to be privy to it. He's no fucking journalist.

It's like that scene in "Carlito's Way." You ain't a writer no more, Ed. You can't learn it in school, and you can't get a late start. Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate as the Sean Penn character.

And if you're reading this, Ed. The wiseguys REALLY don't like you. As a rule, journalists are off limits. But you ain't a journalist .

lol roasted

Maybe when the little black kid is older, he can shack up with sammy the bulls daughter, and become a rat power couple.

fully agree with you about lieber being around cicale while he was trying to squeeze the bascianos for that money..biggest fucking scumbag move I have ever heard of in my life..honestly who does cicale think he is (we know who the other guy thinks he is, an Italian gangster/writer/story teller) becoming a rat and testifying and then after that trying to extort money from the bascianos like hes still a gangster.. some fucking nerve..
I respect vinny's kids for not beating him to death or shooting him in the fucking face for trying to pull that bullshit..im furious about it and I have nothing to do with it..
how did cicale not get clipped or shelved when he was on the street? it just seems like hes such a scumbag(which is usually necessary in that life) that im surprised he didn't screw over everyone he dealt with on the street to the point where something had to be done..
Who was in cicales crew when he was on the street? I feel bad for anyone who had to take orders from this moron and feel even worse they had to kick up $ to his dumb ass.. what rackets did he have going on?(cause In his own words hes an all around fucking renaissance man when it comes to earning) besides wiping vinnys ass? he also seriously looks like a stone cold junkie.. I would bet money he was using drugs..feel bad for that guy he beat out of 30k.. how exactly did that happen? knowing his character.. bet it went something like this.. he found a normal working man and borrowed the $ with absolutely no intention on ever paying it back.. really not cool to use your button to exploit someone who isn't even in the life just cause you know you can.

The guy had a rat jacket before he snitched on Vinny too, dude got a 10 year sentence, and was let out in 17 months for "good time", and the sentencing paper work was sealed, good way for the rat fuck to hide his 5k1 letter.

It's easy when you have the facts on your side, Mackie .

I don't claim to always be right. I've been wrong about plenty of things in my life. I ain't smarter than any of you guys, probably just older than most of you. You only gain knowledge through years of being stupid. Trust me on that .

But if people want to jump in here and discuss certain areas (like the Bronx and East Harlem), and certain people with me, they better be equipped with more than just a copy of "Five Families," and a subscription to Jerry Capeci's website---And for the record, I have immense respect for both Selwyn Raab and Jerry Capeci. They're TRUE journalists, unlike that putz.

People under Dominick may have been Randolph Pizzolo, who he had killed, Ace Aiello, a so called "cocaine cowboy" by some, and Joey Gambina, another coked out loser. All lowlifes from what I've read, could be wrong though. Only Aiello managed to get his button.

Through Baldo Amato. It had nothing to do with the Bronx faction, and it certainly had nothing to do with Cicale (although Vinny did like the Aiello kid).

Ace's father came up with Baldo, and Baldo looked out for Ace after his father went up. He ended up cutting his teeth with the Giannini crew out in Ridgewood. Dom Cicale would have wet his bloomers if he had to sit in that cafe for ten minutes.

Didnt Aiello take 30 years, and keep his rep as a stand up guy? 30 years feds atleast you get like 1560 days of good time.

Sounds about right. He's been in for close to ten, and he's parole eligible in 2031, so that's 26 out of 30 years.

I actually laughed out loud. I was gonna say +1 PB, but you used a great Carlito's Way quote, so +1000... god I love that movie.

Randolph Pizzolo was a fuckin psycho im surprised he didnt beat cicale to death.He seemed like a guy who didnt give a fuck lol he probably hated cicale but didnt do anything to him because of vinny

That's actually quite the contradiction from how the story goes, at least how its said in the Vinny Gorgeous book. Cicale was apparently the only one who liked and showed any kind of respect to Pizzolo, and Pizzolo appreciated him greatly for it, apparently. A little too much. Basciano, according to Massino called Pizzolo a "annoying jerk off, an annoying kid that don't listen, he talks stupid. And he's just an annoying fucking kid." Everybody disrespected Pizzolo according to that book, he apparently fell under Aiello, Aiello disrespected him because there were instances of Pizzolo not following mob decorum. He embarrassed himself by trying to taunt a DA, while he was on parole and that DA knew it. Cicale tried to save him apparently by telling him to go to Florida and start over. But Pizzolo was so determined to get made, and wrote his own life insurance. In fact, Cicale was the only outfit guy to show up to Pizzolo's funeral, supposedly.

Maybe PB will know the real story with that, but the Destafano book paints Pizzolo more like an embecile, than a psycho.

Well, you have to at least consider the possibility that Cicale was trying to convince the Feds that he was trying to save Pizzolo's life. And by claiming to have liked him, it may have helped him sell his story. Of course, that's just speculation on my part. But you know my feelings about the Feds and their star witnesses, so maybe I'm letting my personal feelings cloud my judgement there. But I do think it's at least plausible.


You're being nice, Sinatra Club. During one of Pizzolo's skid bits
on the Hunts Point prison barge, he got into a beef because it took him three hours to watch "60 Minutes."

Hey, you don't fuck with inmates when it comes to television .

Looking at their background, it seems weird that Basciano was punished more harshly than Mancuso. Both have been convicted for 2 murders, but Basciano has one with extenuating circumstances (the victim wanted to kidnap his son), while Mancuso has one with aggravating circustances (killed his wife because she burned his food). And, while Mancuso should have never been released for that wife killing in my opinion, he did only 10 years, then has been convicted for the Pinzolo hit and still didn't get life in prison even though he didn't even turn informant. Basciano, on the other hand, has gotten life for both murders. Do you think the reason may be that Basciano is above Mancuso in the mafia hierarchy? Why have they been so lenient with Mancuso anyway?

Well, a lot of it has to do with the fact that according to the feds & Massino, Basciano plotted to kill prosecutor, Greg Andres. Which was a pretty rotten thing because it was such bullshit.

I believe ya PB. These rats always try to portray themselves as having a conscience.. look at Henry Hill... "Aww, I tried to help him... I tried to stop it. I tried to stall for time, but I couldn't do nothing." It's always the same story. Bullshit, you were just as sociopathic as the rest of the guys, you just turned rat and want to make the feds (and judge) more sympathetic to your cause.

"You ain't a lawyer anymore Dave, you a gangster now"

Was one of the best lines in that movie.

Mother thing Jr. Points out in his book was alite trying to act like be was on the dibono hit. Jr says no way. His father made sure it was bobby boriello with 2 unmade guys there to make there bones to get made. Charles carneg and some older guy in contes crew Anthony Harpo v. Union guy. Mistakey the Irish guy mcman was there and threatend with death he say a peep. Sammy the bull gave specific orders so they get there buttons. Gotti sr wouldn't need any outside help. Like all alite killed was other drug dealers trying to kill him. He really was after 1991 like gang members say false flagging. He went to other states playing the role. He meet Ralph natale in jail.

How does everyone in the Bonnano family feel about Mancuso killing his wife? Killing a wiseguy is one thing but a woman? Not to mention your own wife. Seems like a pretty weird guy to be running the family, I wouldn't feel comfortable working with him... might as well throw in Christy Tick for that matter.

Is Di Fiore street boss for Mancuso?

The leadership of that family is so complicated.

I'm assuming that Basciano would still be official boss if he wasn't in ADX.

Not for nothing. That letter from Mancuso that Dominick Cicale revealed makes him look like a banal imbecile.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...ticle-1.2174668

The old guard in the Bronx/East Harlem factions of the Westside and Luccheses hate him. It doesn't matter what the Bonannos think (although most of them can't stand him either). But Mancuso is the perfect lightning rod for the Feds right now because he has five years to go. No way he walks out the boss. No fucking way.

As an aside, you can throw out that bullshit about a Bronx Bonanno comeback being waged by an almost 80-year-old geriatric. It's more bullshit by a second rate journalist. The power in that family has completely shifted out east, into Queens and Nassau.


Using today's psychological standards, Furnari would be considered a serial rapist and a registered sex offender. But he's a "man of honor." Right?

I wonder if in the near future Westside and Luccheses just merge into one family. Seems plausible.

Heyyy, my home county.

never

It's not remotely possible.

They work together so well in their white collar partnerships because they're two separate groups working together. You merge them, jealousy sets in, ten guys want to be the boss, and it all goes to shit.

Those two families have been working together since the old East Harlem days, then in the Bronx, and up to Westchester. If it ain't broke, you don't fix it .

Good point, was thinking like 2 companies merging together to cut costs / increase efficiency... I guess it doesn't work that way for wiseguys

it does when they want your end, they give you a retirement party.. st john's

If in 40-50 years the mob in NYC is on its last legs, they would be the two families I would imagine to merge together. The Gambinos and the Bonnanos for that matter as well. Colombos would probably be pretty much gone (after their 4th war of course )

that far out, who knows if they will be close, gambino and lucchese, were that close, now look ..they were killing gambino guys,

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That far out, it might be the Ramirez and the Wong families that are merging.

lol.. yeah. we have campos .and knapinick or what ever his name is. the guys he could be talking about are not even born yet..!

i don't think there will ever a "merging" of 2 families discussed in a sitdown, no matter what. More plausible, and apparently already done by the gambinos, is a takeover ("we are now run by") like rescently discovered with the decavalcante's

You can say what you want about the cosa nostra, but no other ethnic group would be strong like them they ruled from the bottom to the top.

John Alite was just a good associate that did the dirty work and brought money in the top, if the big boss ordered him to go he would definitely go 6 feet under in that time.he was not one of them and if he would get caught they can always say he is not one of us and thats smart.

i would say he was a really though guy that worked for the cosa nostra but come on but he was a simple tool and would never get in the top circle.

And PB i like your info 10 times better than that ed scarpo pretending to get messages from wiseguys .the only worthy messages would be from the old timers and i doubt he would get from them

what is it worth to get emails from 2015 associate's or members emails just make me laugh that guy

I feel the same way you do about all those rats, they are all trying to save their own skins..... worthless dogs.