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Posted By: furio_from_naples

The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 07:35 AM

Apart Scarfo and the K&A gang in philly in the 80s, there are other cases of families that are very involved in the methamphetamine traffic.
In theory, if you can cook the cookies, you can cook the meth, it's also most powerful and most cheap of cocaine or heroin, and can also be produced in a craft workshop in the basement.
Also having the Mafia unsuspected knowledge, could easily obtain ephedrine and other chemical components that are used to prepare the meth.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 07:43 AM

http://articles.philly.com/1987-06-19/news/26181836_1_drug-trafficking-mob-boss-indictment

Scarfo Charged As Drug Lord U.s. Says Local Mob Sought To Run Market

By Emilie Lounsberry, Inquirer Staff Writer
POSTED: June 19, 1987
Reputed mob boss Nicodemo Scarfo and five associates were charged yesterday with importing and selling large amounts of the essential chemical needed to manufacture methamphetamine in what authorities said reflected an unprecedented effort by local mob leaders to control the drug market.

Twenty-two other people were named in the sweeping federal indictment, and the government immediately moved to seize about $5 million in assets from the defendants, including Scarfo's $500,000 Fort Lauderdale home and a 40-foot boat worth $100,000.

The boat, the Casablanca Usual Suspects, had been docked behind Scarfo's Fort Lauderdale home, Casablanca South, but it was not there yesterday afternoon when U.S. marshals went to seize it. In court documents, the government identified Philadelphia disc jockey Jerry Blavat as the registered owner of the boat but said that Scarfo was the "true owner."

Blavat, a longtime figure in local entertainment, could not be reached for comment. His attorney, Jacob Kossman, said Blavat sold the boat to Scarfo in 1985 or 1986 for $70,000 but still held the title pending full payment.

Prosecutors said that while lower-level organized-crime members have become involved in drug trafficking, yesterday's indictment was the first time that local La Cosa Nostra leaders have ever been charged with trying to control a

drug business.

"Contrary to public perception, the indictment alleges and we will prove that the mob is deeply involved in drug trafficking," said Barry Gross, a prosecutor with the U.S. Organized Crime Strike Force. "This is a major, major P-2-P importing ring, and the LCN (La Cosa Nostra) was trying to control it."

P-2-P is the chemical used to make methamphetamine.

Wayne G. Davis, special agent in charge of the FBI in Philadelphia, said during a news conference that the New York-based commission that governs all U.S. organized-crime activity has traditionally barred mob families from trafficking in drugs.

As a result, he said, the indictment has put Scarfo and his associates ''not only on the wrong side of the law but on the wrong side of the LCN

commission as well."

The indictment, which was returned by the grand jury Wednesday but sealed until yesterday, was just the latest legal problem facing Scarfo, who could be sentenced to up to life imprisonment if convicted of the most serious charge in the indictment - conducting a continuing criminal enterprise. Scarfo also is charged with importation, distribution and attempted importation of P-2-P, and conspiracy.

Scarfo, 58, allegedly has headed the Philadelphia-South Jersey crime family since 1981. He was convicted last month of conspiring with City Councilman Leland M. Beloff and Beloff's top aide to extort $1 million from developer Willard G. Rouse 3d.

He also is awaiting trial in New Jersey on racketeering charges and for the 1978 murder of Somers Point Municipal Court Judge Edwin Helfant, and in Philadelphia for the 1984 slaying of mobster Salvatore Testa.

Michael L. Levy, an attorney with the strike force who will prosecute the case with Gross, said the government was trying to seize Scarfo's property under a 1984 law that allows the government to seize assets earned through a

drug enterprise or used in the commission of a drug felony.

The boat, according to court documents, was used by Scarfo last August as he discussed and planned to import P-2-P, or phenyl-2-propanone, which is an essential ingredient used to make methamphetamine, commonly known as ''speed" or "crank."

The indictment charged that Scarfo, reputed underbosses Philip "Crazy Phil" Leonetti and Salvatore Merlino, captain Francis "Faffy" Iannarella and soldiers Charles Iannece and Ralph Staino tried to gain control of the lucrative methamphetamine trade by cornering the market on P-2-P.

The crime family essentially took over drug operations headed by John A. Renzulli, 39, of the 1700 block of Porter Street; Angelo DiTullio, 48, of Mantua, N.J., and Michael Forte, 47, of the 800 block of Catharine Street, who is now serving a prison sentence for operating a drug ring, the indictment stated.

The mob accomplished the plan by first requiring P-2-P traffickers to pay a ''street tax" to the crime family in return for permission to sell the chemical and then by dictating to whom the P-2-P wholesalers could sell the chemical, the indictment said.

DiTullio allegedly imported 155 gallons of P-2-P, hidden in air compressors and barbecue grills, from Germany and Belgium, and then sold the chemical to Renzulli. Forte was identified as the "middleman" in the sale of some of that chemical.

The Scarfo crime family then completely took over DiTullio's importation operation and directly imported about 50 gallons of P-2-P in August 1986, and sold it to Renzulli, the indictment said.

Renzulli allegedly manufactured at least 340 pounds of methamphetamine at five laboratory sites in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. The crime family then purchased 100 gallons of P-2-P in October in Belgium, but the chemical was seized by Belgian authorities in March, authorities said.

Joel M. Friedman, attorney in charge of the strike force, said the 205 gallons of P-2-P would have been capable of producing more than $130 million worth of methamphetamine.

In addition to Scarfo, those named in the indictment and the charges they face are:

Leonetti, 34, of Atlantic City; conspiracy, importation, distribution of P- 2-P, attempted importation of P-2-P, conducting a continuing criminal enterprise.

Merlino, 47, of Longport, N.J.; conspiracy, conducting a continuing

criminal enterprise.

Iannarella, 44, of the 2000 block of South Beechwood Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation, distribution of P-2-P, attempted importation of P-2- P, conducting a continuing criminal enterprise.

Iannece, 52, 1100 block of Wolf Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation and distribution of P-2-P, attempted importation.

Staino, 55, of the 3100 block of South 13th Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation and attempted importation of P-2-P.

Renzulli, 39, 1700 block of Porter Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, manufacture, possession of P-2-P with intent to manufacture, distribution of P-2-P, conducting a continuing criminal enterprise.

DiTullio, 48, of Mantua, N.J.; conspiracy, importation, distribution of P- 2-P and conducting a continuing criminal enterprise.

Forte, 47, 800 block of Catharine Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, distribution of P-2-P and methamphetamine.

Michael Borelli, 40, 2600 block of Bancroft Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy and manufacture.

Peter Donato, 34, 2600 block of South Sheridan Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy and manufacture.

John Small, 41, of Wenonah, N.J.; conspiracy and manufacture.

Anthony Leo, 39, 900 block of South 10th Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

Vincent Peraino, 49, 3200 block of South Broad Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

Gerald Esposito, 100 block of Trent Road, Washington Township, N.J.; conspiracy and manufacture.

Thomas Esposito, 43, 2300 block of South 17th Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy and distribution of methamphetamine.

Joseph Liberio, 41, 1100 block of West Moyamensing Avenue, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

John R. Renzulli, 40, 2000 block of South Newkirk Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, manufacture and possession of P-2-P with intent to distribute and intent to manufacture methamphetamine.

Louis DiFranco, 31, 1800 block of South Dover Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, manufacture and possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute.

Anthony Renzulli, 33, 2500 block of South Mildred Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

Dominic Picuri, 39, 1000 block of Latona Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

Joseph Kelly, 31, 3800 block of New York Avenue, Pennsauken, N.J.; conspiracy, importation and attempted importation of P-2-P.

Edmond Gifford, 42, 6500 block of Girard Avenue, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation and attempted importation of P-2-P.

John Romolini, 44, 1400 block of South Beulah Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation and distribution of P-2-P.

Peter Mueller, 49, of Boston; conspiracy and importation.

Joseph Tenuto, 39, 2700 block of South Beulah Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy and possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine.

Vincent Bartels, 52, of Paris; conspiracy and importation.

Joseph Massamino, 37, of the 700 block of Mountain Avenue, Philadelphia; conspiracy.
Posted By: BigRed

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 07:49 AM

You would assume so because of all the money to be made in meth trafficking but other than the Philly family and Northeast mob as you mentioned I never heard of any traditional family doing so. I'm thinking that, until recently, meth was mostly a rural white and Mexican drug and those groups already had their distribution networks with bikers and the Mexican Mafia. Now, since Meth is in the burbs and city I would think you'd see the mob moving in where it fits.
Posted By: blacksheep

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 11:18 AM

I don't know about philly, or even jersey in terms of meth, but I can tell you that in over 3 decades of NY life, I have never once seen meth or met someone who uses it. I wouldn't expect the NY guys to be so deep in it cuz it doesn't seem to have much of a market in NY
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 11:47 AM

Long john Martorano was a huge meth dealer
Posted By: blacksheep

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 11:52 AM

He was a philly guy so yeah. I have no experience with meth but I know it gets more common as you go farther south. But I have never seen it back home and wouldn't expect a sizeable meth freak community. Everyone I know considers it a dirty redneck drug
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 01:04 PM

my next door neighbor is one of the people on this list in the article. Philly and jersey were WIDELY known for meth in the 70s and 80s. Trust me, it wasn't a mob thing only. Everyone was getting P2P back then. Scarfo and company just used the threat of the mob to muscle in.



Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
http://articles.philly.com/1987-06-19/news/26181836_1_drug-trafficking-mob-boss-indictment

Scarfo Charged As Drug Lord U.s. Says Local Mob Sought To Run Market

By Emilie Lounsberry, Inquirer Staff Writer
POSTED: June 19, 1987
Reputed mob boss Nicodemo Scarfo and five associates were charged yesterday with importing and selling large amounts of the essential chemical needed to manufacture methamphetamine in what authorities said reflected an unprecedented effort by local mob leaders to control the drug market.

Twenty-two other people were named in the sweeping federal indictment, and the government immediately moved to seize about $5 million in assets from the defendants, including Scarfo's $500,000 Fort Lauderdale home and a 40-foot boat worth $100,000.

The boat, the Casablanca Usual Suspects, had been docked behind Scarfo's Fort Lauderdale home, Casablanca South, but it was not there yesterday afternoon when U.S. marshals went to seize it. In court documents, the government identified Philadelphia disc jockey Jerry Blavat as the registered owner of the boat but said that Scarfo was the "true owner."

Blavat, a longtime figure in local entertainment, could not be reached for comment. His attorney, Jacob Kossman, said Blavat sold the boat to Scarfo in 1985 or 1986 for $70,000 but still held the title pending full payment.

Prosecutors said that while lower-level organized-crime members have become involved in drug trafficking, yesterday's indictment was the first time that local La Cosa Nostra leaders have ever been charged with trying to control a

drug business.

"Contrary to public perception, the indictment alleges and we will prove that the mob is deeply involved in drug trafficking," said Barry Gross, a prosecutor with the U.S. Organized Crime Strike Force. "This is a major, major P-2-P importing ring, and the LCN (La Cosa Nostra) was trying to control it."

P-2-P is the chemical used to make methamphetamine.

Wayne G. Davis, special agent in charge of the FBI in Philadelphia, said during a news conference that the New York-based commission that governs all U.S. organized-crime activity has traditionally barred mob families from trafficking in drugs.

As a result, he said, the indictment has put Scarfo and his associates ''not only on the wrong side of the law but on the wrong side of the LCN

commission as well."

The indictment, which was returned by the grand jury Wednesday but sealed until yesterday, was just the latest legal problem facing Scarfo, who could be sentenced to up to life imprisonment if convicted of the most serious charge in the indictment - conducting a continuing criminal enterprise. Scarfo also is charged with importation, distribution and attempted importation of P-2-P, and conspiracy.

Scarfo, 58, allegedly has headed the Philadelphia-South Jersey crime family since 1981. He was convicted last month of conspiring with City Councilman Leland M. Beloff and Beloff's top aide to extort $1 million from developer Willard G. Rouse 3d.

He also is awaiting trial in New Jersey on racketeering charges and for the 1978 murder of Somers Point Municipal Court Judge Edwin Helfant, and in Philadelphia for the 1984 slaying of mobster Salvatore Testa.

Michael L. Levy, an attorney with the strike force who will prosecute the case with Gross, said the government was trying to seize Scarfo's property under a 1984 law that allows the government to seize assets earned through a

drug enterprise or used in the commission of a drug felony.

The boat, according to court documents, was used by Scarfo last August as he discussed and planned to import P-2-P, or phenyl-2-propanone, which is an essential ingredient used to make methamphetamine, commonly known as ''speed" or "crank."

The indictment charged that Scarfo, reputed underbosses Philip "Crazy Phil" Leonetti and Salvatore Merlino, captain Francis "Faffy" Iannarella and soldiers Charles Iannece and Ralph Staino tried to gain control of the lucrative methamphetamine trade by cornering the market on P-2-P.

The crime family essentially took over drug operations headed by John A. Renzulli, 39, of the 1700 block of Porter Street; Angelo DiTullio, 48, of Mantua, N.J., and Michael Forte, 47, of the 800 block of Catharine Street, who is now serving a prison sentence for operating a drug ring, the indictment stated.

The mob accomplished the plan by first requiring P-2-P traffickers to pay a ''street tax" to the crime family in return for permission to sell the chemical and then by dictating to whom the P-2-P wholesalers could sell the chemical, the indictment said.

DiTullio allegedly imported 155 gallons of P-2-P, hidden in air compressors and barbecue grills, from Germany and Belgium, and then sold the chemical to Renzulli. Forte was identified as the "middleman" in the sale of some of that chemical.

The Scarfo crime family then completely took over DiTullio's importation operation and directly imported about 50 gallons of P-2-P in August 1986, and sold it to Renzulli, the indictment said.

Renzulli allegedly manufactured at least 340 pounds of methamphetamine at five laboratory sites in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. The crime family then purchased 100 gallons of P-2-P in October in Belgium, but the chemical was seized by Belgian authorities in March, authorities said.

Joel M. Friedman, attorney in charge of the strike force, said the 205 gallons of P-2-P would have been capable of producing more than $130 million worth of methamphetamine.

In addition to Scarfo, those named in the indictment and the charges they face are:

Leonetti, 34, of Atlantic City; conspiracy, importation, distribution of P- 2-P, attempted importation of P-2-P, conducting a continuing criminal enterprise.

Merlino, 47, of Longport, N.J.; conspiracy, conducting a continuing

criminal enterprise.

Iannarella, 44, of the 2000 block of South Beechwood Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation, distribution of P-2-P, attempted importation of P-2- P, conducting a continuing criminal enterprise.

Iannece, 52, 1100 block of Wolf Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation and distribution of P-2-P, attempted importation.

Staino, 55, of the 3100 block of South 13th Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation and attempted importation of P-2-P.

Renzulli, 39, 1700 block of Porter Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, manufacture, possession of P-2-P with intent to manufacture, distribution of P-2-P, conducting a continuing criminal enterprise.

DiTullio, 48, of Mantua, N.J.; conspiracy, importation, distribution of P- 2-P and conducting a continuing criminal enterprise.

Forte, 47, 800 block of Catharine Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, distribution of P-2-P and methamphetamine.

Michael Borelli, 40, 2600 block of Bancroft Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy and manufacture.

Peter Donato, 34, 2600 block of South Sheridan Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy and manufacture.

John Small, 41, of Wenonah, N.J.; conspiracy and manufacture.

Anthony Leo, 39, 900 block of South 10th Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

Vincent Peraino, 49, 3200 block of South Broad Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

Gerald Esposito, 100 block of Trent Road, Washington Township, N.J.; conspiracy and manufacture.

Thomas Esposito, 43, 2300 block of South 17th Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy and distribution of methamphetamine.

Joseph Liberio, 41, 1100 block of West Moyamensing Avenue, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

John R. Renzulli, 40, 2000 block of South Newkirk Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, manufacture and possession of P-2-P with intent to distribute and intent to manufacture methamphetamine.

Louis DiFranco, 31, 1800 block of South Dover Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, manufacture and possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute.

Anthony Renzulli, 33, 2500 block of South Mildred Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

Dominic Picuri, 39, 1000 block of Latona Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy.

Joseph Kelly, 31, 3800 block of New York Avenue, Pennsauken, N.J.; conspiracy, importation and attempted importation of P-2-P.

Edmond Gifford, 42, 6500 block of Girard Avenue, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation and attempted importation of P-2-P.

John Romolini, 44, 1400 block of South Beulah Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy, importation and distribution of P-2-P.

Peter Mueller, 49, of Boston; conspiracy and importation.

Joseph Tenuto, 39, 2700 block of South Beulah Street, Philadelphia; conspiracy and possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine.

Vincent Bartels, 52, of Paris; conspiracy and importation.

Joseph Massamino, 37, of the 700 block of Mountain Avenue, Philadelphia; conspiracy.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 01:46 PM

True Nicky it is and was big in this area since the 80's not so much so in 70's all but the bikers .
The main users in the 80's were white males that were also into coke, and once they did meth that's it done deal they were hooked.
As we went through the 80's it was as big as it could be from bartenders, waitresses, cooks, dealers, bikers, builders, construction workers, it went crazy back then.Then the health issues started and people that could got as far away as they could from it.

Then at that point the hicks became loyal users ,and that is were most bikers come from.After the 80's I lost track of the drug.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: BigRed
You would assume so because of all the money to be made in meth trafficking but other than the Philly family and Northeast mob as you mentioned I never heard of any traditional family doing so. I'm thinking that, until recently, meth was mostly a rural white and Mexican drug and those groups already had their distribution networks with bikers and the Mexican Mafia. Now, since Meth is in the burbs and city I would think you'd see the mob moving in where it fits.


I don't think the Mexicans had anything to do with it back in the day. I am pretty sure it became big there when the FEDS got a grip on the US shipments from over seas and they headed south.
Posted By: blacksheep

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 02:06 PM

Are you guys from philly and jersey? I heard of meth there. Never seen it in ny. I heard that it was popular in the gay community but I can't say I know much about that.. In my experience, starting in the early 90s, meth was a redneck drug or a truck drivers drug. Never came across anyone who touched it unless I was visiting people down south
Posted By: MemphisMafia

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 02:23 PM

I read abook on Scott Spurlock,who was a bank robber-meth cooker in a lab from Seattle.He,in the early 80's was one of the biggest meth pushers on the west coast.Not southern "rednecks" were his buyers but rich college kids.And ofcourse everything out in Cali or out west eventually moves this way.That is where it started as far as I am concerned.Now,yeah you got an epidemic here in the south today.The ones cooking meth at first here,their granddads were the moonshiners back in 50's and 60's.In the backwoods and hollars.but now almost every cheap hotel room has a cooker.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 03/30/15 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: blacksheep
Are you guys from philly and jersey? I heard of meth there. Never seen it in ny. I heard that it was popular in the gay community but I can't say I know much about that.. In my experience, starting in the early 90s, meth was a redneck drug or a truck drivers drug. Never came across anyone who touched it unless I was visiting people down south


I am a Atlantic City guy ,but would spend summers in NY with an uncle both in BK and upstate from the 50's .
It was about staying up all night(meth @ coke) in disco's and the casino's around here. Then you had the other end of it hicks(rednecks) and bikers at the other end in the areas out of the city.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/01/15 12:19 PM

I always wondered why people use meth when they can use adderall (I spelled that wrong) instead? Isn't it the same thing essentially?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/01/15 12:26 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
I always wondered why people use meth when they can use adderall (I spelled that wrong) instead? Isn't it the same thing essentially?


Although adderall(you spelled it right actually) is a pharmaceutical amphetamine, its effects are much more closer to cocaine(without the numbness ofcourse) then meth. Where im from adderall is often refered to as the poor mans cocaine.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/01/15 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
I always wondered why people use meth when they can use adderall (I spelled that wrong) instead? Isn't it the same thing essentially?


Meth is very cheap,anyone with basic knowledge of chemistry can produce it,that the reason.Adderall must be prescribed.
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/01/15 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Serpiente
True Nicky it is and was big in this area since the 80's not so much so in 70's all but the bikers .
The main users in the 80's were white males that were also into coke, and once they did meth that's it done deal they were hooked.
As we went through the 80's it was as big as it could be from bartenders, waitresses, cooks, dealers, bikers, builders, construction workers, it went crazy back then.Then the health issues started and people that could got as far away as they could from it.

Then at that point the hicks became loyal users ,and that is were most bikers come from.After the 80's I lost track of the drug.


Are you kidding me? Yes there is a co-relation, especially in the 1% clubs but to say that that is where most bikers come from is beyond moronic. So there were essentially no bikers until meth came along? I love the sweeping generalizations about bikers on this board.

Are a bunch of people on here writers for Gangland lol
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/02/15 07:45 AM

Originally Posted By: alicecooper
Originally Posted By: Serpiente
True Nicky it is and was big in this area since the 80's not so much so in 70's all but the bikers .
The main users in the 80's were white males that were also into coke, and once they did meth that's it done deal they were hooked.
As we went through the 80's it was as big as it could be from bartenders, waitresses, cooks, dealers, bikers, builders, construction workers, it went crazy back then.Then the health issues started and people that could got as far away as they could from it.

Then at that point the hicks became loyal users ,and that is were most bikers come from.After the 80's I lost track of the drug.


Are you kidding me? Yes there is a co-relation, especially in the 1% clubs but to say that that is where most bikers come from is beyond moronic. So there were essentially no bikers until meth came along? I love the sweeping generalizations about bikers on this board.

Are a bunch of people on here writers for Gangland lol


It is true, Bandidos in LA are mostly meth heads and will sell it to anyone including kids in grade school.

I find it funny that bikers need to run in packs to be tough. You catch one of those guys one on one they will piss their pants. They only have balls when they are with their "Bros" and their patches are on. Must of been bullied when they were young.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/02/15 07:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
I always wondered why people use meth when they can use adderall (I spelled that wrong) instead? Isn't it the same thing essentially?


Although adderall(you spelled it right actually) is a pharmaceutical amphetamine, its effects are much more closer to cocaine(without the numbness ofcourse) then meth. Where im from adderall is often refered to as the poor mans cocaine.


And thanks Dell and Furio, never did meth but tried addy in college I was bouncing off the walls for two days.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/02/15 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Apart Scarfo and the K&A gang in philly in the 80s, there are other cases of families that are very involved in the methamphetamine traffic.
In theory, if you can cook the cookies, you can cook the meth, it's also most powerful and most cheap of cocaine or heroin, and can also be produced in a craft workshop in the basement.
Also having the Mafia unsuspected knowledge, could easily obtain ephedrine and other chemical components that are used to prepare the meth.


Philadelphia was always the exception when it came to meth. Generally speaking, LCN involvement was little-to-non existent in that drug.
Posted By: Scorsese

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/02/15 05:38 PM

Was the mob ever involved in PCP?
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/02/15 11:04 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Originally Posted By: alicecooper
Originally Posted By: Serpiente
True Nicky it is and was big in this area since the 80's not so much so in 70's all but the bikers .
The main users in the 80's were white males that were also into coke, and once they did meth that's it done deal they were hooked.
As we went through the 80's it was as big as it could be from bartenders, waitresses, cooks, dealers, bikers, builders, construction workers, it went crazy back then.Then the health issues started and people that could got as far away as they could from it.

Then at that point the hicks became loyal users ,and that is were most bikers come from.After the 80's I lost track of the drug.


Are you kidding me? Yes there is a co-relation, especially in the 1% clubs but to say that that is where most bikers come from is beyond moronic. So there were essentially no bikers until meth came along? I love the sweeping generalizations about bikers on this board.

Are a bunch of people on here writers for Gangland lol


It is true, Bandidos in LA are mostly meth heads and will sell it to anyone including kids in grade school.

I find it funny that bikers need to run in packs to be tough. You catch one of those guys one on one they will piss their pants. They only have balls when they are with their "Bros" and their patches are on. Must of been bullied when they were young.


"Bikers" means literally tens of thousands of people in the US alone. You just said they all "came from meth", and they are all pussies.

Posts like yours remove credibility from sites like this. More 1%ers come from the military than the dregs of meth addiction. Within the biker world in the US you will find everything from insane drug using murdering sociopaths to 100% stand-up old school badass motherfuckers, and everything in between. Hate to break it to you, but most bikers, and an awful lot of 1%ers are straight citizens who have no interest in you whatsoever.

You may be interested in them, but not the other way around.

Can you understand that some 1% chapters run high on criminality and some have basically none? If a guy in a club goes out and does meth that does not mean "bikers do meth" anymore than if a police officer goes out and does meth equates to "police do meth".

Your comments are ridiculous.
Posted By: TimmyTwoTimer

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 01:09 AM

lol Nice trolling bro...this thread's funny, you've got one guy claiming bikers are pu$$ie$ because they rely on numbers, as if 4 Italians getting together would be anything but laughed at if there wasn't the threat of 50,100,400 other members and associates willing to kill for the family...and you got another guy claiming some 1%ers are 'straight citizens'...so are you being a smart a$$ or do you really not understand what having a 1% tattoo means?
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 01:17 AM

not every 1%er is a criminal. Maybe straight citizens isn't the correct term, but what else are you supposed to call someone who works a regular job, feeds his family, and on weekends rides a motorcycle, drinks beer and farts?

Do you think every 1%er is a criminal?
Posted By: blacksheep

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 01:53 AM

By definition I believe a 1%er is generally a criminal. It comes from that speech where the motorcycle guy was talking about how bikers are 99% legit with 1% that screw it up. So the outlaw biker groups started with the 1% stuff.
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 02:52 AM

Originally Posted By: blacksheep
By definition I believe a 1%er is generally a criminal. It comes from that speech where the motorcycle guy was talking about how bikers are 99% legit with 1% that screw it up. So the outlaw biker groups started with the 1% stuff.


Jesus it just keeps coming. Outlaw bike clubs did not start with the 1%er comment. They already existed and adopted the 1% as a way to say fuck you to society.

And by definition (as if) 1%er means living outside society's normal rules and generally accepted behaviors and not cooperating with police, which does not necessarily equate to breaking laws everyday and being a criminal.

To read what non-motorcycle people say about bikers is mind boggling. Imagine, if you will a guy in his 50's in a 1% mc. He is married with kids, and owns a motorcycle shop that makes him $60,000 a year. He lives in a rural area with no other 1% mc clubs. Yes that is allowed.

Life is going good and he is not into criminal activity because it would be more of a hassle than anything. He doesn't need the money. Do you think that guy looks in the mirror one day, sees his 1%er diamond tattoo and says "Man I'm not living the 1% life right, tomorrow I'm gonna go beat the local hardware store owner to death with a pipe if he doesn't pay me and the gang for protection?"

Where do you guys get this shit? Yes there are murderers, drug dealers, thieves and pimps in 1% clubs, and there are also non-criminals. It varies widely. 1%er does not mean criminal.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 05:03 PM

There would be no reason for an upstanding citizen to join an organization that is based off of criminal wrong doings.

Your basis of your argument is like saying "Oh hey we made Donnie into the Gambino Family, but he don't break no laws."

And don't start with me on Vets, I am one. The ones that drift to that lifestyle because of brotherhood and camaraderie form there own riding groups. 30 years ago, yeah maybe there were vets that didn't want to make waves with other clubs, but to join a 1% club nowadays is pretty much nothing but a criminal.

I can't even respect anyone that wears those patches when all you hear about down here is how they gang raped a young girl one day in the paper then they get caught selling meth the next day. yeahhhh real fuckin tough guys let me tell you.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 05:07 PM

1. Not trolling

2. It's the premise that when they are together they run like packs of dogs yet if you caught them one on one they will run with their tail between there legs. Maybe it's just the Bandidos that I met down here, but they are ALL junkies and low life white trash.
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 06:25 PM

You are defining trolling. So you met a few Bandidos in LA. You say they are scum, ok fine. I have said twice already in this thread that some 1%ers and some entire chapters are criminals. Some does not make all.

How many did you "meet"? Three? Five? Twenty? And off of that you think you know the facts about every single 1% biker in the entire country? A group as varied as that does not fit into whatever neat little box you want it to.

Your opinion that all 1% clubs are criminal enterprises is so far off it boggles the mind. Step away from the tv set.

The tail does not wag the dog. Bikers don't sit around watching Gangland to find out about their own culture. The terms you use in your writing say a lot; "they", "all".
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
There would be no reason for an upstanding citizen to join an organization that is based off of criminal wrong doings.

Your basis of your argument is like saying "Oh hey we made Donnie into the Gambino Family, but he don't break no laws."

And don't start with me on Vets, I am one. The ones that drift to that lifestyle because of brotherhood and camaraderie form there own riding groups. 30 years ago, yeah maybe there were vets that didn't want to make waves with other clubs, but to join a 1% club nowadays is pretty much nothing but a criminal.

I can't even respect anyone that wears those patches when all you hear about down here is how they gang raped a young girl one day in the paper then they get caught selling meth the next day. yeahhhh real fuckin tough guys let me tell you.



wow.

edit: can you provide a link to the rape/meth cases you are referencing. I googled it but didn't find it.
Posted By: dsbaloo

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/03/15 10:18 PM

ive never met or heard of a member of a 3 piece patch club who is not involved with breaking the law on some level.. its not some sort of misconception... just a fact that 1%'er clubs are involved in criminal activity.. are there members who don't break the law? yeah maybe a few.. but that's an exception not the norm..
and I hate to agree but they try way too hard to be tough guys and think theyre way badass with their "brothers".. not hard to act tough when you got 30 people on your side at a bar.. im not saying theyre all fake tough guys.. cause some of them are tough as fuck and crazy on their own.. I just feel like when they get together they go out of their way to act tough and try to intimidate people for no reason. ive seen both mongols and h.a's both start huge bar brawls with normal civilians for no reason.. fully got drunk and instigated the whole thing on numerous occasions.. and always end up pulling out axe handles, clubs, and knives..
I'm sorry but going out to the bar with 30 friends high on fucking tweak and drunk as hell when youre full grown men in your 30s-50's and bullying people and then kicking the shit out of them for no reason is pussy and pretty lame. and this is all stuff ive seen in real life.
bunch of sons of anarchy nerds who dress like theyre the homeless version of a 1980s heavy metal band.
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 12:26 AM

[quote=dsbaloo]ive never met or heard of a member of a 3 piece patch club who is not involved with breaking the law on some level.. its not some sort of misconception... just a fact that 1%'er clubs are involved in criminal activity.. are there members who don't break the law? yeah maybe a few.. but that's an exception not the norm..
and I hate to agree but they try way too hard to be tough guys and think theyre way badass with their "brothers".. not hard to act tough when you got 30 people on your side at a bar.. im not saying theyre all fake tough guys.. cause some of them are tough as fuck and crazy on their own.. I just feel like when they get together they go out of their way to act tough and try to intimidate people for no reason. ive seen both mongols and h.a's both start huge bar brawls with normal civilians for no reason.. fully got drunk and instigated the whole thing on numerous occasions.. and always end up pulling out axe handles, clubs, and knives..
I'm sorry but going out to the bar with 30 friends high on fucking tweak and drunk as hell when youre full grown men in your 30s-50's and bullying people and then kicking the shit out of them for no reason is pussy and pretty lame. and this is all stuff ive seen in real life.
bunch of sons of anarchy nerds who dress like theyre the homeless version of a 1980s heavy metal band. [/quote

Who are the 1%ers you've met? Names and chapters?
Posted By: dsbaloo

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 03:32 AM

like I said.. mongols and h.a's.. and Im not getting that specific.. but as far as chapters go... just say the greater los angeles area..
I don't have anything against any of these people... just not the type of crowd I care to be around... that being said I will admit that there was 2 separate occasions where ive just happen to be at the same place that a big group of mongols were also at where each time one of them went out of their way to say whats up and were actually very cordial(which I thought was really strange considering I was not introduced to them, nor was I with anyone who knew them. literally they just walked by me and said hello that was it). im not going to put names on here.. but the first time ill say it was the president of the commerce chapter (or was at the the time, this was a few years ago) real big guy... anyways literally 10 of them walked in and they all gave me mean looks and he was the last one to walk in and he was the one who said whats up and was cool..
the other one who I met a separate time that was cool was chente. I think he was from the Hollywood chapter?

anyways just thought I would share that since I kind of did go on a rant and grouped them all together as being fucking dickheads.. those were 2 random experiences ive had where they actually went out of their way for no reason to be cool,to a stranger also.
Posted By: dsbaloo

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 03:39 AM

but the part that you put in bold letters that I wrote about them being criminals.. ahha I hate to say it but both the guys I mentioned have for sure had their share of troubles with the law.. especially the second one.. not positive but im pretty sure he went away for a murder charge or something similar? somehow got out and was on house arrest for a pretty long time.. not to mention the other bids hes done upstate dating back a longgg time ago.. now he runs a very successful business and looks like he does very well financially.. good for him.. Im happy for anyone who can go from doing a prison bid to become successful on the outside.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 03:42 PM

I'll try to find the link to the one down here.

But hell i typed it in and look at this already found one from another region.


http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Woman-Allegedly-Rape-Inside-Motorcycle-Club-253570291.html
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 03:45 PM

Look I can post a hundred of these from all over:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-06/rebels-bikies-accused-of-raping-underage-girls/5506642

White trash that ought to be shot on sight. buncha tough guys right there!!
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
ive never met or heard of a member of a 3 piece patch club who is not involved with breaking the law on some level.. its not some sort of misconception... just a fact that 1%'er clubs are involved in criminal activity.. are there members who don't break the law? yeah maybe a few.. but that's an exception not the norm..
and I hate to agree but they try way too hard to be tough guys and think theyre way badass with their "brothers".. not hard to act tough when you got 30 people on your side at a bar.. im not saying theyre all fake tough guys.. cause some of them are tough as fuck and crazy on their own.. I just feel like when they get together they go out of their way to act tough and try to intimidate people for no reason. ive seen both mongols and h.a's both start huge bar brawls with normal civilians for no reason.. fully got drunk and instigated the whole thing on numerous occasions.. and always end up pulling out axe handles, clubs, and knives..
I'm sorry but going out to the bar with 30 friends high on fucking tweak and drunk as hell when youre full grown men in your 30s-50's and bullying people and then kicking the shit out of them for no reason is pussy and pretty lame. and this is all stuff ive seen in real life.
bunch of sons of anarchy nerds who dress like theyre the homeless version of a 1980s heavy metal band.


THIS

THANK YOU dsbaloo!
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 04:02 PM

Gang rapists being executed is fine by me. I have no comment or opinion on mc clubs in countries other than the US.

Tell me how many instances of that you can find in the US. It has happened, and will happen again at some point, but a hundred examples? Nope.

If I perform an international search for cops convicted of murder or drug dealing I will find examples all across the globe. Does that mean every single cop is a drug dealer or murderer? By your logic...yes it absolutely does.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 04:13 PM

I am PRETTY sure the ratio is A LOT lower for cops being drug dealers and murderers compared to people being criminals in 1% clubs...but nice try lol
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 04:25 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
ive never met or heard of a member of a 3 piece patch club who is not involved with breaking the law on some level.. its not some sort of misconception... just a fact that 1%'er clubs are involved in criminal activity.. are there members who don't break the law? yeah maybe a few.. but that's an exception not the norm..
and I hate to agree but they try way too hard to be tough guys and think theyre way badass with their "brothers".. not hard to act tough when you got 30 people on your side at a bar.. im not saying theyre all fake tough guys.. cause some of them are tough as fuck and crazy on their own.. I just feel like when they get together they go out of their way to act tough and try to intimidate people for no reason. ive seen both mongols and h.a's both start huge bar brawls with normal civilians for no reason.. fully got drunk and instigated the whole thing on numerous occasions.. and always end up pulling out axe handles, clubs, and knives..
I'm sorry but going out to the bar with 30 friends high on fucking tweak and drunk as hell when youre full grown men in your 30s-50's and bullying people and then kicking the shit out of them for no reason is pussy and pretty lame. and this is all stuff ive seen in real life.
bunch of sons of anarchy nerds who dress like theyre the homeless version of a 1980s heavy metal band.


THIS

THANK YOU dsbaloo!


I agree, it is very lame. If you add up all the 1% club activities in the US over a calendar year, I think you find that going into bars and kicking the shit out of the entire place for no reason doesn't happen much. I have never personally seen it. Yes, it's happened I'm sure but again this is basically fantasyland stuff.

Get some buddies together, put on "biker gang" patches go to a bar and kick the fuck out of the whole place for no reason. Then ride across town to another bar and do the same thing. You will never make it to bar #2. You will be arrested at gun point. You will have charges stacked against you, including gang enhancement. You will go to jail or prison. That is reality.

What I have seen a lot of is citizens in bars starting shit with anyone who looks like a biker. A leather jacket is literally all it sometimes takes to be assaulted, especially in rural areas which encompass much of the US. Don't believe me, get one of your buddies, put on the biker gang patches, go to a small town bar and mind your own business. It won't take long...trust me. And after you are assaulted for no reason...you get the grand prize---ARRESTED FOR ASSAULT!!!

That is reality. Take a hard look at the level of law enforcement and government scrutiny these groups are under. And you honestly believe going around and beating the fuck out of entire bars full of citizens is a common occurrence?
Posted By: Alfanosgirl

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/04/15 05:18 PM

@AliceCooper


I never hear anybody saying anything good about bikers until I read your posts.

Living here in CA I've seen bikers on the roads since I've been a kid. There was an elderly couple who lived on our street who had their 3 grandchildren and niece and nephew living with them while the mothers and fathers aunts uncles and cousins were out riding with the biker gang. I don't know which one but they were Mexican from LA county so I'm guessing they were the Mongols since that's the only Mexican bikers I know of. They were in and out of jail/prison CONSTANTLY. So for about 15 years the grandparents took care of the kids. The biker dad had one of them side cars on his bike and he would have his chola wife with the big beehive hair painted eyebrows riding in the side. They'd always have some other bikers with them making all kinds of noise down our street which was maybe every couple of years lol since they were always locked up or riding.

Another biker dude I knew was old man Ken the coolest bad ass white dude I know. He was a heavy line mechanic at my work and a vet fought in the Korean War. He said he rode with the Hells Angels while living in Norco. He said most of the time they would drink and brawl and get into all sorts of trouble. I believed him too cuz that dude would kill you in a heartbeat if you messed with him.

Another biker dude I knew was my pops old coworker from jersey, the Wolfman, who after getting fired was always scheming and hustling, a degenerate gambler living out of a garage had a son who followed in his footsteps. The son got locked up for murdering some young kid. Not sure which biker gang he was affiliated with if any. My Pops felt sorry for him so he invited him over one year for turkey and lasagne cuz he had no family here at that time for the holidays. He came in with his long beard and biker jacket get up on. My Mom almost had a heart attack lol but he was such a good looking nice man underneath all that stuff. It was the first time I met an Italian Jersey biker dude. Now to me that was funny.


Not too far away from me last year there was something going down on the freeway between two biker gangs Mongols & Hells Angels. One or both of the guys with the beef ended up dead on the fwy.

So when I THINK of bikers I associate them with crime and disorder except for one group I've seen.

There are some churchy bikers I have run into in Anaheim. They just talk about religion and riding into the sunset.
Posted By: alicecooper

Re: The Mob and the Meth - 04/05/15 12:49 AM

you probably met many other bikers in between those ones, you just didn't know it. you mistook them for regular people. it happens.

edit: imho i've never said anything necessarily good about bikers, just that they are not the across the board boogeymen that so many angry people want them to be.

Imho the problem with the above is that it not only leaves the real boogeymen out there, it leaves them out there with no one looking at them.
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