john alite/jimmy burkes son

Listened to Alite on Cowheads show down in Tampa and I know hes generally full of shit but he says in passing he came up and did work with Jimmy Burke and his son..anyone have more info about this and or Burke's son?

Didnt know Jimmy had any kids involved in the mob..may nott be true im sure some of the knowledgeable posters on here can set the record straight, thanks fellas

Frankie Burke got whacked in the late '80s. He was roughly Alite's age and from the same general area, so it's possible that they knew each other. But keep in mind that Alite was like 16 years old when they robbed Lufthansa. So if he starts giving "inside information" in that area, he's full of shit.

Thanks for the response pb, appreciate the insight...do u know why frankie burke got whacked? Was he involed w his dads crew or was he mixed up in drugs? From what I heard Alite just mentioned the Burke connection in passing but I didnt read his book and from what reviews ive read I dont intend to

The father raised all the kids to be criminals, including the girls. It's been speculated that Frankie may have had a hand in Lufthansa. If true, he was just another in a long list of guys who got killed as a result of that heist.

He was only about 18 at the time. But then again, being that the father was such a scumbag that he turned his children into criminals from when they were babies, anything is possible.


Real honorable guys, huh? Turning your teenage kids into killers and stick up men?

Wow again thanks pb I didnt know burke did that to all his kids, ur not kidding that he was a humongous fuckin scum bag..do u think the son had a hand in Luftansa? Seems awfully young for that but ud know better than me..what was he killed for?

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He probably got killed because someone was paranoid from dope and in a bad mood. It didn't take much back then to begin with, especially with that crew. His father was already in jail at the time. No one to protect him. He should have gotten out of Dodge. But that's the life.

This is from Alites book. He talks about Frankie Burke. But i don't know if it's accurate or not, could be total bullshit.


Jimmy the Gent also played a behind-the scenes role in the first homicide that Alite was directly involved in. Alite was a friend of Frankie Burke, Jimmy the Gent’s son. The Gottis wanted nothing to do with the Burkes, but Alite ignored Junior when he told him to stay away from Frankie. It was the same old song. “They’re scumbag drug dealers. Don’t bother with them.”

Alite would hang out with Frankie Burke at different bars and clubs when Junior wasn’t around. One night Frankie told him that from prison his father was trying to collect an old debt and that he, Frankie, was supposed to meet with two guys over in Brooklyn to settle up. He asked Alite to go along. “Frankie told me they owed his father a couple of hundred grand,” Alite said in retelling the story years later. “I took a ride with him to meet with these guys. It was over on Linden Boulevard in Brooklyn. It was nighttime. We pull up and these two guys get out of another car and come toward us. We get out of our car. There’s a guy behind the wheel of the other car, but he just sits there.” Alite said the two guys were Hispanic. He didn’t know many more details about them or the debt. He just knew that instead of settling up, they got confrontational. There were shouts and threats. Alite said he did what he was there for. “I pulled out a gun and started shooting,” he said. “Frankie did the same. The two guys went down. The guy behind the wheel of their car never moved. I think he might have been there to set them up. Frankie might have wanted to kill them all along. I don’t know. We just got back in our car and drove back to Queens. I never heard any more about it after that.”

A few months later, Frankie Burke got involved in a fight in a bar with a guy named Tito from the neighborhood. Tito shot and killed him. “This guy Tito owned a barbershop on 101st Street, near the clubhouse,” Alite said. “He and his brother were around a lot of people. The brother ran back to Italy after being involved in a murder.” After he heard what happened to Frankie Burke, Alite went to see Tito. “I told him, ‘Look, you better get out of here.’ I said, ‘I might be one of the guys they send to kill you,’” Alite said. “I knew Jimmy Burke would reach out to the Lucheses and they’d arrange for someone to take Tito out.” The barber told Alite he wasn’t going anywhere. “He just sat in his barber chair with his hands behind his head,” Alite recalled. “It was like he was waiting to die.” A few days later, two gunmen walked into the shop and fired nine shots into Tito’s head and body. He died where he sat.

Same age and neighborhood. It's possible. I haven't heard of a rat yet who lied about everything. Just keep in mind that Alite was only about 22 or 23 years old when Jimmy Burke was sent off to prison, never to return.

he named his sons frank and jessie like in the james bros.

I kind of call bullshit on this story. Burkes killer was a guy called tito ortiz and I've never seen any report of him being killed in retaliation. Also why would he go warn the guy about the hit and why would he think that the luchesses would farm the hit out to him. Both the burkes are dead so it seems like a filler/who gives a fuck sort of a story.

Lol @ gottis calling the burkes 'scumbag drug dealers'

im wondering why alite's story doesn't line up to the facts in this case, the man who killed Frankie burke was tried and convicted for the murder, and sent to prison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_James_Burke

your wondering why? hahah, cause he is a lying piece of shit maybe, I admit I read his book, heres what I learned...basically the toughest guy in new york, also toughest guy in any prison he stepped foot in, also smartest gangster ever, basically went into philly and took over bars/clubs, christmas tree corners..so respected that even though he ratted he is still loved and hangs with gangsters, so respected that at like age 22being non italian he went too an old school mafiso who dates back to carlo gambino era and told him he was knocked down...so see where I am going...dude is selling a book plain and simple

yup. you are right on. besides that, im so sick of all the gottis, I hope they all get theirs, even the sister Victoria.

Binnie that wiki says Ortiz was arrested and convicted but the NY Times story thats quoted there only says he was arrested.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/20/nyregi...gure-s-son.html

Does anyone know for a fact that Ortiz went to trial and was convicted of the murder. If he was then Alite is obviously full of shit.

you're right, the article I posted said he was only convicted, my mistake. however, alite says " a couple of days later after alite says he saw him he was murdered.

if he was murdered after he was convicted, then alites timeline is very confusing. because my link says he was arrested "and later convicted"

Another newspaper story on Ortiz's arrest for Frankie Burkes murder.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=12...pg=3001,1477788