Nicky Scarfo Jr was a real gangster ?

Certainly Scarfo Sr. was a real gangster and in the very siggy way wanted his son to succeed him in the philly mob, but after the attack in 1989 when nicky Jr. ran in north jersey and was made in the Lucchese family in 1990 or 1994 or more after ?
Was respected by other gangsters of the Lucchese or was seen as gangsters from peanuts introduced only for the ties of his father with the boss Amuso?
And for the Lucchese has been a real earner?

Not Siggy

Serp he's Calabrase right?

What I meant was that Scarfo Sr. (who is of Calabrian origin) wanted his son to become the boss after him as well as in the Sicilian Mafia. You haven't answered my question: Nicky Jr. is or not a real gangster?

of course he is...stupid fucking thread

Read think capeci said he was.inducted in 99. After along wait cause of crea stalling. Pass over is soon donate 25 bucks to isreal

In regards to your question of whether or not he's a good earner the multi million dollar loan fraud thing he got caught up in must have made decent money for the Lucchese's.

Cringeworthy thread

From what I get he's basically asking if Nicky Jr was really a tough guy or just one of those "daddy's boys" and if he was a good earner or not.. I don't see the problem here.

English isn't his first language obviously but Furio's a good guy on these boards.

Well for what is worth, he survived getting whacked and I think he took 5 or 6 shots and lived and instead of running away from the life he stayed. That kind of makes him a pretty tough guy.

I am thinking that if it is a gangster from the mean streets of yester year no he is a big earner and white collar guy.

If you are the average Joe or Mary then he is a very big gangster.

If you live in the tri-state area and you know about the life ,he is a monster earner and that's only what you and I know about.

Take a look at what he was able to do with the deck stacked against him ,in a family that he was not apart of coming up ,very hard to earn and move up in a family under those circumstances.

Since English is not my first language, I will explain better.

Scarfo Jr. after Merlino tried to whack him in 1989, runs away in north jersey and thanks to his father obtained protection from the Lucchese.
In 1989 Mad Dog Taccetta ruled the Jersey faction and Casso or Amuso ordered to protect Scarfo;
what I meant he gained the respect of Lucchese soldiers or was made only for his name?
Have you ever killed for the lucchese family?
And what was involved, loansherking, drug trafficking etc.
And even now it is seen as a daddy'sboy klike Junior Gotti or has earned the respect of the other soldiers?

then after an attempted murder has not abandoned the life so he's a tought guy don't say anything?

He is born in this life as little boy allie persico and would never abandoned it.

I wonder if Salvatore LoCascio and Nicky Scarfo Jr. were the inspiration behind the webistics storyline in The Sopranos.

Only if AJ Soprano would be shot by a man with the mask of Batman while he was eating at Vesuvius and that man was a Chris Moltisanti crew soldier maybe Murmur Zancone.

Was nicky jr. a real gangster? Well, he made real money. He went to a real prison. He committed real crimes. What do you think?
FWI - no one called Michael T " mad dog".

I heard he was made as a favor to Scarfo from Amuso, not sure how correct it is. As the guys above me said, he did have a couple of schemes going so I'm sure he earned good for a while.

No idea if he killed or not, probably not but my estimation he's probably a real gangster.. but he has big shoes to fill, his father's.. just like Jr Gotti, so at the end of the day they can never be as big of gangsters as their fathers.

There is a chart where Vic Amuso is called Vic "The Terminator" Amuso.

Did anyone ever call him that?

And the females call me "The Italian Stallion"

Actually they were little shoes. That's probably where a lot of the anger came from.

/me chuckles

He wasn't under the protection of the Lucchese's after the hit attempt, in which he stayed in Atlantic City & North Jersey and out of South Philly. When he got taken in in North Jersey, it was still the Philly Mob protecting him. The North Jersey remnants of the Caponigro crew, which was currently being oversaw by George Fresolone, were still loyal to Scarfo and took Nicky Jr. in. I think people have this idea that during this time Nicky Jr. was a recluse, he wasn't. The feds were watching him, they observed him meeting with various NJ, Philadelphia & even NY mobsters. He continued to collect a street tax. And guys still kicked up to him, those who were still loyal to his dad. Fresolone was an informant, and once he flipped, the rest of that Scarfo group went down. I think that's when the Lucchese's came in. And various researchers and reporters claim Scarfo Jr. obtained the rank of Capo, and still held that position when he was indicted on the FirstPlus extortion case. Though I haven't seen much to substantiate that belief.

Scarfo Jr. was a stone cold pussy. When his father got locked up, I remember people punching him in his face for general purposes. Im not joking....this guy would cross back and forth 10th street if he saw 2 guys coming his way. People use to literally punch him in the face and tell him to send for his father to suck their dicks. Once Scarfo sr. got booked...that was fucking that, Scarfos had no respect and everyone and their mother who suffered because of Scarfo sr. rejoiced that psychopath was gone.

The user "Serpiente" may have different stories from atlantic city...but i know for a fact in south philly, at that time, the Scarfo's werent liked at all. Joey Merlino took full advantage of this. To be honest, and maybe taking away Joeys credit a little....ANYONE coulda had that power grab and they would have the neighborhood behind them...thats how much Scarfo was hated in south Philly

I remember JR. trying to show his face all over south philly after his dad got booked because he assumed he was gonna be the boss. I saw someone slap him several times to the floor and then the guy leaned in a hawked a loogie right in his face in august of 1989 at Marcones waiting for a hoagie and the dude with Scarfo jr. ran to a pay phone, dialed 911 and said there were black Muslims strapped with AK 47's walking around talking about killing white people.....the whole fucking neighborhood was shut down that day because obviously, none of the scarfos could take a punch. There was police on every damn corner in south philly...and, as an avid pothead at the time, you can see how that can be extremely frustrating.

John Veasey roughed Stanfa jr. once too, but Veasey roughed alot of guys though, that fuckin rat

Given who his father was, I think it is very likely he killed at least one person. Remember how Scarfo sr. raised his nephew and adopted son Phil Leonetti? What makes you think Scrafo sr. wouldn't raise his son the same way? This was at a time when killing someone was mandatory to get made in the Philly family.

Phil left out so so many details when he flipped .

I thought that after his book he would go into detail about the first in some way know he loved the rep once that his book received .

When I finally read the entire book I was constantly waiting for him to elaborate on things , and he did not I know of things he never said a word about .

I guess he only had to give up so much and had the book written around his testimony .

I came across this interesting article that says Nick Jr's younger brother Mark Scarfo used to throw his weight around and use his father's name, while Nick Jr. was quieter and more reserved. I always thought people said Mark was picked on for his name? Link

That stuff with Mark was normal high school shit until his dad gets word or Phil gets word and has to do something before the boys look week .

If not for them growing up in a crime family it would have been regular school yard shit !

And they always make Chris look like a angel and he was right there for years is was not until a certain situation he decided to bail .

The Feds make him look clean cos they could not get nothing on him Chris was / is very shrewd !!!

A gangster is a gangster no matter what. They all have different roles. Some bring in the $$$ while others bust heads.

Serp, when did Chris decide to bail? After his brother Nick had that incident with the Merlino crew on Halloween night?

Serp never said the scarfos were liked in south philly..or am i reading ur vibe wrong?? Potheads should not implicate any individuals or their credibility just b-cause of said potheads lack of credence...go smoke ur shit & leave serp out of this.

I'm surprised somebody (you) had to "dissect" that for certain people on this forum. Thanks Malandrino.

Furio is basically saying was "Nicky jr respected as a real wiseguy/ considered a "hoodlum" on the streets and when I say hoodlum- take gotti jr for example

He went around busting heads, abusing people, barking orders and making money. BUT on the streets nobody considered him a "real" hoodlum. Yes he was playing the role of one whereas his father was a stone gangster who would do a thousand yrs standing on his head

So not a "dumb" thread at all.

So did Gotti Jr. Your point is.....

Well at least he didn't get beaten up by a leprechaun like Dom Grande's father and doesn't get his kicks by throwing stinkbombs in nightclub toilets like Steve Mazzone's semi-retarded looking brother.

Scarfo Jr. is/was more of a gangster and money maker than any of those dweebs.

TBH Philly would probably be better off with him, Joe Chang and the Jersey Lucchese branch running things than people who are too busy adding pictures on Instagram and getting into shoving fights at casinos to run a tight ship.

Hoodlum : Nicky and family had friends and family in Philly but that life is super drama as you would say nowadays .

There were people that loved them and there were people that acted like they did.
But for the most part they were disliked for a few reasons , one is they lived in AC and most of the guys lived in little row houses in Philly and loved coming to the shore in good weather so they put them on some sort of pedestal because of where they lived.

All just ignorant bullshit if you ask me Nicks hands were as dirty as it got for keeping Philly LCN going under Bruno as anyone in that family so his location should've never mattered .
And that Freek guy has it for the most part right all but the constant punching in the face you get punched once you are not coming back for more one thing that set Jr. Apart from all those stupid hangarounds is he was smarter and lived good off his rackets till they all got lose on that last one and I for one can not understand how they all got that lose.

As far as people messing with anything that had a Scarfo name on it while he was boss was just insane and would not happen .

And how Skinny went up against the Genovese and Gambinos and neither family did anything about Stanfa needing help is also kinda strange .
Guess it was the times and how bad the families had it with all the bosses going away around same time .

Thanks for the lovely inside info Serp! Never gets old

However how comes Nicky Crow said Chris used to get into screaming matches with his dad because he didn't want to be involved. He worked at Scarf inc but didn't want to be around them in a criminal sense

& wow, so Phil left out a lot of stuff.... Interesting. Do u think that was a personal choice or the Feds told him so (ie Feds most likely told Sammy not to admit to the Calabro cop murder) etc

Ridiculous thread.

Is Nicky Jnr a real Gangster?

Guys effectively doing life.
Thats faux gangster? Pussy shit? Guy's gonna rat when his dad dies ec etc.

What a joke

I think it Furio (due to his English) meant to ask was Nicky a real tough guy (like his father)

Yes Nicky Jr is in jail for a long time. But take Pete Gotti, he's doing life too yet nobody really considers him a real gangster/ tough guy

He was just living off his brothers name! And they put him in power because "there was NO one else" wasn't so much to do with Pete being such a "gangster"

A real tough guy isnt someone who will beat you with his hands.


Its someone who will stand tall and do his time.
Am I wrong?

So how tough is Nicky Jnr?

And what makes Nicky senior tough?
His hands? no.

His commitment to the life, to commit murder and not to roll if convicted.


Please explain the difference with his son?

Well, Sonny, in all due respect 2 a poster i respect ,pop's time on this planet is not up yet,so the chance 4 jr. 2 switch sides aint up yet,otherwise i agree w/u.

Guess everyone has a different definition of what makes someone a "gangster".... Was he a work guy? No he wasn't a shooter.. Got to remember there's guys in crews who have buttons who literally can't make 2 pennies.. But they are capable when called on for work.. Then there are guys who have never held a gun in their life who bring in millions... I'm this day and age with the younger guys it's rare to have people who can do both. Obviously nicodemo from philly could do both . Suspected in a few murders and was a pretty serious earner.. But in all honestly in this place and time I feel like a good earner is much more valuable to a family.. And like jr or not the guy knew how to make lots of fucking money... He let his guard down and I think got too cocky and felt like he was smarter than everyone and got buried in that financial case.. But up until then no one can say the guy wasn't a above average earner and rather sophisticated. If you ask me that's a great asset to have around... Just my 2 cents

Also there are crazy gangsters who are feared as hell and killed a bunch of people who get caught and can't handle their time ... Scarpa was a rat, Sammy, gas, big Dino.. All guys who were very serious killers and all ratted when they got the book thrown at them... Then there's jr who everyone says is a weakling and not tough who gets thrown what amounts to a life sentence and took it like a man... So again in my mind not only does that make him a gangster but it makes him mentally tough as fuck.

anybody that takes 9 slugs from a mac.11 earned the right to call themselves whatever

having somebody attempt to kill you over mob shit qualifies him

Yes I think the case with Nick Jr is that he was eventually a real street guy and he did the crimes/ doing his time as we speak etc

So I'll give him that credit

But I think Furio or many others base their opinion on the fact he lived off his father's rep early on and even later on- built on his dad's connections to the North Jersey crew plus Luchese (none of it was from his own street cred/ connections)

However I guess he did mold into a "real
Gangster" in that sense

But I wouldn't base it totally on whether one can do time or not. Take crazy Phil his cousin/ was he a real gangster? Since he couldn't do the time does that mean he wasn't a gangster? He was up until the conviction- a stone killer

Joey Massino was NOT a gangster in your books (but we all know he was a hardcore gangster) up until they showed him the electric chair & he felt his 300lbs belly wobble

Tony he got into screaming matches with everyone and him and Chris are more like each other then any of the boys were /are and that made the the arguments more volatile .

Chris was in and doing many things for the family before he got out and if not for love he would have never gotten out .

The fights were about everything not just where Chris wanted to be ,, they were so so much alike.

Really, so I'm guessing Nicky Jr. was very disliked early on

See- that's the "Nicky Jr" most people still think of and not the middle aged gangster he is now

When Phil flipped, I remember reading how Nicky Jr wanted to get even with his cousin for his father's sake. But I think that was all talk? Because in Phil's book, he claims he went and saw his cousin when visiting mom mom

I don't believe jr. wanted a piece of phil or any body 4 that matter.. Serp concluded that Chris was a piece of the action up until said late 80s..hard 2 conjure, but i would take Serps word to home..Jrs. story is a little hard 2 trust..we will never know THE real story until dad passes..& phil gives whole story....he's waiting, u know..

You are reading Jr right he was not a gangster he love to make money on the keyboard. Ultimately his downfall.

http://articles.philly.com/1991-03-10/ne...ia-south-jersey

Exactly. Nicky Jr was as "real" as being a "gangster" gets...People fail to realize how hard crime really is, youre living a life where day after day you have to scheme to make a dollar, you have to develop trustworthy relationships, regardless of what your business is, and it's those relationships which save your life and enable you to thrive. Nicky Jr thrived up until the FirstPlus case, which like others have already said, he got comfortable and enabled himself to be caught. I don't particularly believed he sat around thinking "well shit Joey Merlino and his guys, and the Taccetta's don't like me, gotta run", he took his licks, developed the relationships that mattered to him and will forever be looked at as an earner. Even after he was knocked down from capo to soldier, he was still earning and was earning big.

So Serp, based on your comments HAD Phil been around (considering u mentioned Scarfo sr) would send him to sort out the school bullies-Mark wouldn't have tried to whack himself

He was on his own so to speak and getting abuse from his school mates whilst his dad was on trial. Cousin Phillip was also inside.... Nicky Jr wasn't much of a tough guy hence Mark had no one to turn to

Tony Mark was not the tough guy but he was a little more vocal then Jr. But his father was a boss so even if Mark would have normally walked away from a problem he always had a bunch of wannabes around and yes his father was big about not looking week even if it was his kids in high school.

Jr. Was mild also he was playing stickball on Florida Avenue in front of his cousins JP ally and a car came down the street and the kid in the car was about 19 and jumped out for no reason and told the guys playing ball to get the f--- out of the way JR. Did not say a word let the kid pass granted Jr was only around15 that was him mild .

Those kids were not bullies unless there were bullies with them to start.

And let's not forget Mark was a different guy then he was in front of his friends he was calm a regular guy .
Mark was smart and seen what was coming but he grew up in a house of Constant abuse and some people just lose it when everything is crashing down around them he knew it was it for his father .

Most stuff that went down was public knowledge in ducktown and when something big happened we all knew why for the most part !!! It's was crazy times..

Can't believe there used to be kids playing stickball on Florida Ave!!! It's like Mexico City on Florida Ave these days. I'm craving some Angeloni's Serp....

So true.

Dante / Flamingo

The latinos have been pushed out of that neighborhood and street for five years or so by the Pakistanis and Syrians and others from the Middle East the latinos ran much faster than the Italians did it's a mess !!!

Thanks Tonytough but I think that "be a gangster" is like "be a tought guy" but the next time I will be more clever.

I would call him a gangster, although he might fall more under the category of a racketeer....


Couple points on the nepotism thing; in Scarfo juniors case, he intelligently took advantage of his fathers stature to build profitable relationships. Now this isn't really just a gangster thing, I would call it life skills in general.

Another thing, it's hard to judge someone without proper perspective, without considering what it's like to be in their shoes.

Think about it, put yourself in one of Scarfos sons shoes, growing up in a house with him. Put yourself in Leonettis shoes at seven years old, and this nut job is telling you he has a body in the trunk, and he's treating you not like a little boy, but a man. How would you react to that shit? Tell him to fuck off? Tell him no I'm going to be a college student someday? Like really think about it, it's like in the movie goodfellas when she says something like, " When you are around it all the time, all this stuff seems normal after awhile"....

Well his dads dead and he still didn’t rat lol

I am still pissed Deja Vu was before my time. All the older guys at the shore still rave about that club to this day. A matter of fact I was in AC Sunday speaking to guy who used to Manage Deja Vu said it was the hottest club in AC but closed when the Casinos started opening up nightclubs :

Monday, March 25, 1996 - SCARFO JR. CHARGED IN ASSAULT


ATLANTIC CITY - Nicodemo Scarfo Jr., son of jailed crime boss Nicky Scarfo, was arrested for allegedly threatening the owner of Deja Vu Nightclub with a knife early Sunday morning.

Two employees of the nightclub wrestled Scarfo to the ground after he threatened "to cut" the owner, William Morton, said Sgt. Ernest Jubilee, police spokesman.

The employees then took away from Scarfo a weapon, described as a butterfly knife, Jubilee said.

Scarfo was charged with aggravated assault.

A second man, William Andes of Scotch Plains, who was apparently with Scarfo, was charged with two counts of aggravated assault for allegedly attacking the two employees as they wrestled with Scarfo, police said.

Jubilee said Andes allegedly hit one employee with a bottle and the other with a glass. However, neither employee needed medical attention, Jubilee said. The only injury reported was to Andes, who was cut on the hand.

Morton said the altercation started after one of Scarfo's friends got into a fight and was ejected from the nightclub.

"They had only been there about 45 minutes to an hour. His friend got into a fight, his friend was leaving, that was when Scarfo went into his act," Morton said.

When asked if he thought Scarfo was serious about harming him, Morton said, "Your guess is as good as mine. I didn't get stabbed. My security handled the situation very well."

Scarfo was paroled from Bayside State Prison in Cumberland County on May 22, where he was serving a seven-year sentence for conspiracy to commit racketeering, said Bob McHugh, spokesman for the state Department of Corrections.

Scarfo Jr., once considered heir apparent to his father, was sentenced in November 1993.

He and seven others were charged with distribution of illegal video machines to bars, restaurants and taverns in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Florida and California.

Most of the defendants were identified by law-enforcement officials as members of the Newark branch of the Scarfo-Bruno organized-crime family, which the elder Scarfo headed.

Scarfo Sr. is in federal prison serving consecutive sentences for conspiracy and racketeering.

During the trial, Scarfo Jr. was described as an organized crime associate who served as a go-between for his father and the organization.

A state Superior Court judge pointed to Scarfo Jr.'s interactions with his father in handing down the maximum sentence of seven years, but he was still paroled 18 months later.

He was then assigned to the Atlantic City parole office. Scarfo's address was listed by police as North Georgia Avenue, the longtime Scarfo home.

McHugh could not comment on the specifics of the assault charges, but said the offenses could be violations of parole depending on their circumstances.


The incident happened inside the club just after 1 a.m. Sunday, according to Jubilee.

Andes, 32, of Scotch Plains, allegedly attacked the two employees and then fled the bar being chased by other bar employees, he said.

K-9 Sgt. Guy Curcione, who was working an unrelated detail on South New York Avenue where the bar is located, then apprehended Andes.

Scarfo Jr. was arrested inside the bar.

Reached Sunday night, Morton said that Scarfo was not a regular patron of the nightclub.

Attempts to reach lawyers for Scarfo Jr. were unsuccessful.

Scarfo Jr., 31, was charged with aggravated assault, possession of an unlawful weapon and possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose, police said.

Andes was charged with two counts of aggravated assault and two counts of possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose, the bottle and glass, police said.

Both were being held in the Atlantic County jail Sunday in lieu of $20,000 bail.

Chez Pariee , Little Johns , Melody’s and twenty other spots before déjà vu .


Dante you remember that cop I told you about? Look at the cop that grabbed Andes/ Nicky.....he was licking his chops !

You follow me ?

He was far from a cop before the cops pay tripled from 70 to 83 ish. they came out of the woodwork to take police test .

Seen him in a restaurant a week after and he was talking it up !! If Nick and Phil were still on street he would never say a word....just like he didn’t when Phil took care of him .

Heard Deja Vu’s Latin Night had the hottest broads ever from some of the AC Club Old Heads...

Yeah it was good !

Do you remember that thing I told you about someone taking a couple bullets and never found out who did it .

Well he knew but could never prove.

That’s him before he was a cop.... he was biker type.

Dante check your PM

Nicky Jr was also at one point very close to George Borgesi in the 80s. George is a serious guy, if Nicky Jr was a pussy and/or a mope back in the 80s George wouldn’t have rolled with him back When they were kids in my opinion....

Nicky is also taking a 30 year sentence on the chin and not ratting, that says something this day and age.

Got lit up like a Xmas tree and didn’t change course... more than a few people thought he would flip after his dad passed.... stood tough. You can’t overlook that.

Jr. has his fathers mentality, he doesn’t have the blood lust .

But if it was 1960 he would of been a millionaire five times over ... its veryvery difficult to earn in that life now and leave no trace there for theywill continue to get pinched.

And the fucken rats tip the scale to a point that it changes the life.