NY families "jersey crews"

I was wondering what you guys thought about a NY family one day having their Boss come from one of their NJ Crews... Apparently the Genovese and Luccheses have huge factions of made guys in Nj so I would think that could happen.... I will use the Luccheses as an example.. Right now Crea is UNDOUBTEDLY the boss ( I don't wanna hear about Amuso, I doubt he can control his bowel movements let alone 80-100 guys from jail).. When Crea gets taken off the street (jail or death) does anyone think one of the NJ guys could step up and take control of that family?? Miglore,Madonna and Dinapoli are all up there in age so I doubt they would be able to do it or would even want to do it..... Thoughts?

I apologize in advance if this has been brought up on the site before.. I used the search function and didn't see any discussions about this possibility.

According to D'Arco, the Luchesse family has its roots in Newark, but that was a long time ago.

Its a good guess that the Genovese power base is currently NJ and the northern NYC suburbs. The historical Genovese strongholds within NYC are transformed. There is most likely more Genovese activity in Lodi and Rutherford, NJ, than Morris Park Avenue and their traditional Bronx enclaves. But that's just my guess. And who really knows.

When Gigante died in 2004 some people think that the new boss will be Tino Fiumara that was the boss of Genonovese's Jersey Faction.

http://mafianewstoday.com/genovese-family-may-soon-have-new-boss/

Vince's domain was downtown, but the actual Westside powerbase over the past fifty years made the jump from East Harlem to the Bronx to Westchester County. And yes, out to Jersey. But there are still FAR more heavyweights in that family living and operating out of the New York suburbs than in the entire State of New Jersey. Trust me, it's not even close.

But that's not to diminish their influence in Jersey whatsoever. The Feds had Angelo Prisco down as a Jersey captain while he was living in Yonkers and had his powerbase in Westchester Square. See my point?

And you make a fair point about Morris Park Avenue. Albanians and Latinos make up the bulk of Morris Park today, with a small portion of Italians who are either too old and set in their ways to leave, or because they were left behind for financial reasons. That's one Bronx neighborhood that has seen more change since the late '80s than just about any other area of the borough. It's honestly shocking. But times change, demographics change. That's America today.

I get along fine with the Albanians. I have an Albanian partner in my Pelham Bay property. But the Albanians have started assimilating into Westchester now, too. Good for them. Ten or fifteen more years and Morris Park will be nothing but Latinos and Middle Easterners. No doubt in my mind.

I doubt it. The Luccheses are a smaller mirror image of the Westside. There are still way more guys active in Westchester and the Bronx than in Jersey.

And like I've said a hundred times, those two families work so closely together in the Bronx and Westchester that they may as well be one family. Especially in construction. I don't think the powerbase in either of those families is moving anytime soon.

Pizza you have said that a lot about the families working so close together they may as well be one family...

How does that work with the $ flowing up to the bosses? I find that interesting..

I love reading your insight and thank you for your contributions to the board!!

It appears the Genovese family is the only one that has multiple crews based in New Jersey. The others have only one, though the Colombos don't appear to have any. I say "based" because to make a distinction from crew who may have some operations there but are based elsewhere.

Right, Ivy. And that fits in with what I was saying about Prisco. He had some operations in Jersey, while living in Yonkers (Westchester), while maintaining his own base of operations at his club in Westchester Square (The Bronx).

And while that sounds very confusing, it actually made it easier for him to be somewhat of a conduit between North Jersey and The Bronx/Harlem/Westchester factions of the family. Angelo had a LOT of power and responsibility. But he never got rich. And now he's doing life. It just works out like that sometimes.

Why was he called The Horn?

A bullshit nickname only used in indictments and press releases. If you knew him you called him Ange. If you didn't know him you didn't talk to him. Period.

Gambino's have 2. Sisca and Mitarotonda are the captains.

What are the demographics like in Yonkers today? Any gentrification? mostly working class?

Gentrification in Yonkers? Pffft.

Yonkers used to be a nice little town, almost like a cross between an outer borough and the suburbs. Lots of working class and middle-class families. Let's just say it's gone downhill.

WS probably wouldnt bypass a guy cause of where he lives but would be pretty

Shocking to see one as boss although Tino was about as close as it gets

But i can definitely see guys in the adm or on a panel

IMO the top guy there , tho from traditional area lives in NJ

L's no way , current faction will stay that way for a long long time

I don't even see someone being in the admin

But the WS is so strong in NJ and deep that they will always have shot callers but

Official Boss I doubt . They were actually brilliant in focusing on NJ , def a reason they Top dog , a lot less heat and tons of biz , especially outside of just gambling

My friend works in nj sanitation and he told me only 1 company in NNJ isn't part of things and I have no reason to doubt him , but no one cares , especially after the last disaster

It's not Danny. 74 years old and half retired. Good for him .

The Genovese have already had a boss who came up in and was based in NJ. Gerry Catena was the acting boss for Vito Genovese from the time that Vito Genovese went to jail until the time that Vito died in 1969. Then he was the official boss from 1969 until 1972 when Phil Lombardo or Funzi Tieri took the reigns, depending upon what you believe. Jerry was a NJ guy all the way, born and bred in Newark, the most powerful homegrown mobster ever from NJ.

Not him huh , my bad then

Yeah your right , Catena fortunes are still legends

Borelli seems to be the top guy in NJ right now from what i can gather

There's a guy in Old Tappan who's like a son to QD. You might want to keep that in mind .

Does anyone know what happened to the poster Skinny? One of the best posters I've seen on here, he knew everything about the big NJ guys

He moved home to Georgia and went back to school. Nice kid.

I forgot about Barbato, he must be pretty heavy if still active

M: you talk to that guy?
T: no....who?
M: you know, the guy with the horn
T: not yet, soon.


FBI - Angelo "The Horn" Prisco

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Is Silvio Devita still active?

Yeah Silvio Devita is very active. He has an absolutely gorgeous house right on the water in Toms River and is captain of a Newark area crew of the Westide that operates in the Newark area "pizza triangle" suburbs of Belleville, Nutley, and Bloomfield.

Yeah And especially Belleville and Nutley

Would not be surprised if the work very closely with L's as they do in Bronx

Ninni and Hooks are real tight .

True.. very true.. still got some nice neighborhoods. . Crestwood, Colonial Heights, Bronxville Heights, etc.. bit it ain't what it used to be. .

Right. But every one of those neighborhoods borders the Tuckahoe/Eastchester/Bronxville line. And don't forget, Tuckahoe is a partial septic tank itself, especially by the train station. Give it a few more years, and some more government and section eight housing, watch what happens.

We're in Florida now. But my Dad lives in Lake Isle when we're up there. For now, anyway. He's 85 and slowing down. Anyway, Lake Isle is beautiful. But we're talking about Eastchester and an entirely different demographic.

Lol. Aint that the truth. Eastchester is a different world, and Tuckahoe has its ghetto for sure.

From what I understand, Genovese remained the official boss until his death. I've only read about Catena being the underboss, though I suppose it's possible he could have been acting boss at some point. According to Cafaro, Lombardo took over as boss after Genovese died. Tieri was never the official boss, simply official underboss and then acting boss for Lombardo.

Anyway, all the recent info (what little there has been) suggests the Genovese family continues to be run by a ruling panel. As much as people on these forums want to see one guy officially sitting on the throne, it doesn't appear as yet there is any.

Any other families got joint ventures with the Westide and Luke's?

Ivy in that period of the early 70s wasnt Tommy Eboli acting boss at all? Just wondering bc I read he was acting boss while Lombardo was the real power and was killed for welching on a drug deal...I could very well be wrong and I defer to more knowledgeable posters like you but just curious

Not to the extent that they have with each other.