gotti and rats

Is there any examples of the policy gotti had on no plea deals contributing to the rat problem? Seems like if someone had the option for 10 years on a plea, but their boss insisted on taking a 50 year gamble, the likelihood of turning rat shoots up. Did any of these famous rats give that as a reason for flipping?

Yeah that was one of his biggest mistakes. His brother Gene could've taked a plea deal and he'd been out a long time ago.

Yeah I know they gotta take orders on the streets, but when that dominance bleeds into something that will alter my entire life and have me in a cage forever... I don't know. I wouldn't risk a lifetime over someone's ego. I'm sure that policy must have been directly responsible for a few rats. When you're locked up and thinking about which option keeps you free, it feels like a very personal choice. Not the right time for a boss to dominate you

absolute stupidity on john gottis part, just proving that he was not a very bright individual, much less a boss. the guy was just to full of himself, even making the guy was a big mistake for the gambinos. neil dellacroce should have seen this.

Probably one of the main reasons the Genovese's are still so strong. They take their medicine, do a few years and are back on the street before you know it.

I remember reading in some book they said Gotti had a high IQ of 140 or something but I HIGHLY doubt it.

Joe coffee said gotti had the iq of a mothball...

I thought we all agreed that he paid off the guy who gave him the test

That's just coffee being joe coffee

Now, gravano did say," oh no, john was smart, he was smart, no doubt about it".

Scarfo also told Leonetti "he's sharp". But yes I agree he made some dreadful decisions not out of arrogance like some of u seem to think, rather out of hatred for the establishment

The latest blog on Gangstersinc has pic of Jr. , written beneath it says Inside the Life of the Mafia

So they have Gotti Sr. named #1 Stand Up Guy and his son front and center telling his story lmao

How come john gotti always had people ratting him out before he was boss and then his right hand man gravano was Never ratted out I think. Willy boy was ratting on john 20+ years before Sammy. Then there was a guy wearing a wire in his club that was a good friend in the 80tys. Sammy I'll say don't have to rat out any of his good friends I noticed and family.

The only thing that can explain it is the facts, since they all knew and understood he was very violent. The facts are that people being arrested in their time were either getting busted for drugs which handed down huge sentences or were not being treated what they felt was fair. When they get popped for whatever reason and have to go away, they realized the men they were involved with were not being honorable, not taking care of them, their wives or children like they were supposed to do. This breaks down the system of rules which led to weakness in the group.

Because he wasn't a very good leader. John has his qualities, good and bad but a great leader wasn't one of those.. that much is obvious. Even as a capo, his friendship with Dellacroce was probably the ticket, because his crew wasn't good for much other than dealing H and the occasional hit, which they weren't even that good at.
Plus why would Paul use the Bergin crew for hits anyway, when he had the DeMeo crew at his disposal?
I could see why Paul didn't like him that much... if I were him, I'd have tried to nip it in the bud and shelf him a long time ago, putting somebody else in charge of his crew.

@DuesPaid: I agree... for the life of me, I can't understand how most of these guys ALWAYS let greed get in the way of doing the right thing and giving some $$ to the family of a solid, stand-up guy who's doing time and probably getting out in a while.
Even the Camorra does this.. they should have taken a page out of their book.

Ok I'd like to point out that the sole reason Gotti didn't want anyone taking a plea- wasn't because of arrogance or some LCN rule. Yes he did use LCN as an excuse but the true reason is that he figured-

1. You take a plea & go jail for x amount of years. But that's the problem, once u admit guilt & your in the system, he figured they'd never let u get out. And who can blame him, the Feds are notorious for letting u come to within a few months of finishing up a sentence, then they'll slap on new charges. So by taking a plea, your effectiveny risking giving away your life

2. Take a risk & plead not guilty- which is what he advised. So in gotti's view, accepting a plea potentially means a life sentence therefore u might as well give yourself the option of beating the case

My personal opinion is take a plea and pray they don't slap on additional charges later on. We know that now, but at the time I can see why he made the decisions he made

Yeah so basically going to trial is a gamble... and we all know John was one hell of a gambler.

you can try and get coverage for others time periods and crimes, also if you commit more crimes for sure your getting pinched when caught.

Then how do you explain the clear dominance of the Westside, who were the first family to see the necessity of the plea bargain? They were taking pleas BEFORE Gotti got popped in 1990. Look at all of the construction cases back in the '80s if you need proof of that. I'm not gonna get into it here. But I'm sure you can Google something.

The Luccheses followed suit, and they're as powerful as the Westside in some areas today (namely because they're partnered in so many construction projects). Frankly, the plea bargaining, along with the less violent approach that they're using today, is what allowed them to survive, and even thrive in some areas, where they would have been dead and buried (along with John Gotti) twenty years ago, if they were as batshit anti-government as he was.

And just for the record, Tony Megale took a plea against Gotti's orders back in '89, Gotti allegedly went insane, told him to rescind it, but it was too late. He couldn't go to trial after the plea. Gotti was arrested in the interim, Tony kept his stripes, and was actually UB for a while. Stand-up guy. Book smart AND street smart. He took another plea in 2006, and he's home in suburban Connecticut right this very minute. Who would you rather be?

PB, your post is further evidence of gottis mentality, confirming once again the damage that this man has done to the Gambino family.

why some still consider him a mob star I'll never know, he was the worst thing that ever happened to the gambinos, and his son is a moron snitch.

well said once more

PB you're right and The plea you mention about Megale in 2006 was really for two seperate cases one in Ct for the strip club shake down and the other in the Falcone case.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/September06/megalesentencingpr.pdf

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/18-indicted-in-mob-probe/

I'm telling you, it has to be the weather. I ain't that smart .

Thanks for the links, Bean. And all the more reason Tony was right to plea out. Greg knew he was dying either way, so he had to take the shot. But Tony's a predicate felon in the Federal System with LCN stamped on his file. Had he gone to trial, he would have lost and gotten an easy twenty years. Coming home at 61 instead of 71 makes a very big difference in your quality of life.

And speaking of the Westside and plea bargains, Danny Pagano copped out to 27 to 33 months today in a case that would have gotten five times that amount of time had he gone to trial and lost. When they tell you to plea in that family, you plea. And that's that.

Just my opinion,but I think Gotti knew that a plea deal by any of his guys would include an elocution in open court. This could include the admission that the perp was a member of the Gambino Family. In Gotti's mind,if there was no Gambino Family,then he couldn't be the Boss of it.

One of the common sayings by defense attorneys was "It has never been proven in a court of law that the Mafia exists".
Of course the Commission Trial changed that,but for what it's worth, Gotti at least had some basis for his position.

Too bad he was a hammerhead when it came to pretty much everything else.

applying common sense, with knowledge in those area's , being objective, and living inside the life, is a formula for being an expert..huh what did i just say?

I dunno. But oddly enough, I get your point .

one more glass of super tuscan and maybe it will come out better, i'll work on the tuscan now

Mickey DiLeonardo Is this guy related to the rat that Was in this family or are the surnames very similar. ? The young Persico's hung with a guy from the Gambino 's and they must of been kinda close , they traveled out of town together upstate and south to Florida .

The guy I am thinking of his name is Andrew and he flipped . But is this guy Mickey Di a cousin or brother ?

Not admitting LCN existed or was criminally active was an older rule he chose to enforce. Is it smarter to plea nowadays? Of course, but guys hate Gotti because he didn't go by book and was out there in the public. Then they'll use this as example to show damage he did. This may have been one of only things he did by the book, not wanting Gambino family being acknowledged. Hate for one reason or the other, not just to hate.

your thinking of andrew DiDonato he was a gambino soldier he was part of nicky corzezzo crew he flipped in the late 90s after being charged with drug dealing and his participation in these bank robberies. He wrote a book he said that he believed that nicky wanted him dead and danny curtia in the lucheses also wanted him dead and later the colambos.

Andrew said he was close with danny persico and very close with billy cutlo junior but he said he beefed with the colambos over some unpaid loan. He also claims (i dont have any idea if this true prob false) that him and mikey yannoti were told by nicky that he wanted them to kill junior gotti. He fell out with the lucheses as they believed he was the shooter in the robert arena hit (he had nothing to do with it) and the gambinos because he was not kicking up, robbery of a drug dealer and the murder of tough tony

He is not related with mikey DiLeonardro no connection


http://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Mob-Street-Soldiers-Gambino/dp/1935396382

I got you my fault .I knew the name was something close or the same.
He was close to more then just Danny.And I am talking friends cos I have no clue if they were working when they were together out of town. Just know they traveled a little with Danny and a couple cousins and Andrew.

i dont know about any of the other guys all i know is from his book and from his interview with capeci.He tried to switch over to the colambos but nicky said no.

he said danny was known for being tight with his money so for a joke him and a group of guys spent thousands at some restuarnet and said danny would pay for it when danny found out he went nuts. He said whe he was in the can he became friendly with andy russo and he said he found teddy to be weird apparently he would do anything to get extra money like picking up litter andrew said he could not understand why he did when he was rich.

He was close with the cutlos but his story is that billy cutlo loaned him 10k but told his father wild bill that andrew took 20k for all i know andrew really did take 20k and lied either way after that he did not get on with the colambos as he did not pay the debt back eventually lenny DiMaria settled the problem and he also says it was lenny who warned him that nicky and mikey wanted him dead. Lenny was a well liked guy.

He testified against some colambo drug dealers thats all i can remember not surprised they tried to kill him reading his book he says he was not kicking up money, he told wild bill to go fuck himself, he and robert arena robbed some mobsters, he was a suspected shooter in the robert areana hit, he was too wild he shot some guy did 7 years for a petty reason and prob the biggest reason he and nicky hated each other 1990+ they hated each other


that book bothers me though because he says mike yannoti helped his family and everything then he goes and gets him 20 years

Thats what they do is stab each other . Man just no honor ,even with guys that helped each other or grew up with each other.

What Teddy are you talking about ? Jr - Sr

I think it was Sr he went around collecting bottles from the trash and then turning them into profit apparently he was very eccentric guys found him weird
he only mentions junior a couple of times he says junior was his good friend him and danny.

He says he and teddy wrote to each other in prison I think junior sent him money when he got out of the can

I understood why andrew and nicky hated each other andrew hated him because when Andrew was facing attempted murder charges in the 80s he needed to borrow money to pay his lawyer fees and nicky would not give him 2k so andrew lost his lawyer and he got convicted. He was also annoyed that nicky did not have some govt witness killed after he testified against andrew.
Nicky hated him because he lost nicky a major sports opertaion when he got arrested in the 80s and he never kicked up money and he told nicky he wanted to be released from his crew.

I hate what he did to the others though like the bank robbery team saved him from nicky and mike helped his family out and when he got out of prison start up

I think it was Sr he went around collecting bottles from the trash and then turning them into profit apparently he was very eccentric guys found him weird
he only mentions junior a couple of times he says junior was his good friend him and danny.

He says he and teddy wrote to each other in prison I think junior sent him money when he got out of the can [/quote. . He sr. Is a different kind of guy . From everything I have ever herd from people that are very close to him ,that he is not built for that life and on top of all of it(and I know guys say NO) but he never wanted anything to do with anything but to help Carmine . He is not a gangster . But he raised one . He like all the males in that family have a house up on there compound up state . That's his speed up there .