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3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 10:19 AM

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WHO'S really in charge of the Philly mob?

For the past few years, the answer might've depended on where you looked or whom you asked.

Prosecutors. FBI agents. Street word. Underworld informants. Beat cops. Wiretapped conversations. Gamblers. Defense attorneys who will look you in the eye and swear that the Mafia ain't real.

Some say Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi, 75, still runs the show. The low-key acting boss returned to Packer Park a year ago after spending 32 months in federal custody through two racketeering trials on a 2011 indictment. He survived both trials. Survival is Ligambi's strong suit.

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Others say that 1990s-era boss Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino is the ultimate shot-caller and continues to exert influence from Florida - when he's not posing for Instagram photos on the beach or schmoozing with diners at his swanky Italian restaurant in Boca Raton.

Or maybe Merlino, 52, currently on a four-month "vacation" at a Miami prison, delegated power to his South Philadelphia allies because the terms of his probation had barred him from associating with known felons.

Now, a new picture of the Philly mob hierarchy is emerging. Law-enforcement officials believe that the crime family's current boss is actually more of a committee - a three-headed mobster, if you will - consisting of Steve Mazzone, John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini and Philip Narducci.

Ligambi, wary of getting indicted again and dying in jail, is said to be semiretired, serving in a capacity similar to consigliere, or high-ranking adviser.

It's a somewhat unusual, and possibly volatile, power-sharing arrangement. These triumvirates don't usually end well. Check your Roman history.



Who are these guys?



Mazzone and Ciancaglini are both Merlino allies who were convicted of racketeering alongside Merlino in 2001.

Mazzone, 50, was released from prison in 2009. He said at a probation-violation hearing the following year that he had been working as a trainer in a South Philly gym. He reputedly served as underboss to Merlino in the 1990s.

Ciancaglini, 59, a former soldier in Merlino's crew, more recently ran a newsstand on Packer Avenue outside Chickie's & Pete's. Ciancaglini and Merlino were spotted together in June at Havana Nights Cigar Bar & Lounge, in Boca Raton.

Narducci, 52, is more complicated. He's a former member of Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo's crew who has spent half his life in prison and has been described by both law-enforcement and underworld sources as a cold-blooded gangster unlikely to take orders from Merlino or his associates.

"He's a stone killer. He's a real tough guy and won't put up with any s---," said Philip "Crazy Phil" Leonetti, Scarfo's nephew who served as his underboss in the 1980s.

Scarfo ordered the 1982 murder of Narducci's father, mob captain Frank "Chickie" Narducci Sr., in response to the father's role in the nail-bomb hit of mob boss Philip "Chicken Man" Testa.

Philip Narducci somehow took it all in stride, Leonetti said.

"We did kill his father and we told him that. We told him that's what happens and he understood it," Leonetti said of Narducci.

Narducci even went to work for Scarfo. Or, as one law-enforcement official recently put it, "He killed guys for the guy that killed his father."

Narducci, whose family runs Philip's Steaks (damn good cheesesteak, by the way) on West Passyunk Avenue, was convicted in the 1985 mob hit of bookmaker Frank "Frankie Flowers" D'Alfonso. That conviction later was overturned, but he stayed in prison until 2012 following his 1989 conviction on separate federal charges.

At his sentencing that year, federal prosecutors said that Narducci shot Joseph Salerno Sr., the father of a murder witness, in 1982; helped kill mob associate Salvatore Tamburrino in front of his mother in 1983, and took part in the beating of an extortion victim who refused to pay up, among other crimes.

U.S. District Judge Franklin Van Antwerpen handed Narducci the maximum 40-year sentence. "The picture that I get is that of a violent person," Antwerpen said.

Narducci did not respond to requests for comment, but mob lawyer Joseph Santaguida, who has represented the family in the past, insisted last week that Narducci has not returned to his old ways.

"It's a disgrace what they're saying. Something about three people running the mob," Santaguida said. "He just got married. He's got a good business. He doesn't need any of that. He's not involved in anything."

"If you believe that, you believe in Santa Claus. I got a bridge to sell you," said Stephen LaPenta, a retired Philadelphia police lieutenant and former organized-crime investigator in New Jersey. "Sons follow in their fathers' footsteps in 'this thing of theirs,' La Cosa Nostra."

Leonetti, author of Mafia Prince, a book about his life in the mob, said he also doubts that Narducci has gone legit after 25 years in prison. His book includes a passage about how Narducci, at age 19, shot Salerno Sr. in the neck when he opened the door of his Wildwood Crest hotel.

"I think after doing all that time he feels he's owed something, that money on the street," Leonetti said of Narducci. "He's part of the family. He kept his mouth shut."

David Fritchey, chief of the Organized Crime Strike Force in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Philadelphia, declined to comment on the apparent shift in mob leadership.



Tough road ahead

It's no secret that the Philadelphia mob isn't raking in stacks of cash as in the glory days, but law-enforcement officials say it remains a viable criminal organization that generates illegal revenue through bookmaking, loan-sharking and good-old shakedowns.

"They're still in business," a law-enforcement official said. "They haven't gone straight."

But with members of Scarfo's crew and Merlino's crew both rejoining the ranks, more gangsters could be fighting for less cash, setting up possible clashes between those factions - and even within them.

LaPenta said that returning members might make trouble if they overreach or feel slighted. Most of them, he said, "have the intellectual capacity of an agave plant."

Ligambi's nephew, onetime consigliere George Borgesi, 51, was released last year after doing 14 years in prison and beating the latest indictment. Marty Angelina, 52, a mob soldier who allegedly tried to muscle in on Borgesi's gambling and loan-sharking turf while Borgesi was jailed, is in a halfway house and will be out soon.

That could be a problem. Both were convicted alongside Merlino in 2001, but both are also notorious hotheads.

Some law-enforcement officials believe that Borgesi might have been behind Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello's unsuccessful attempt in 2008 to hire someone to have Angelina "beat up really bad" - a conversation that was picked up by an informant wearing a body wire. Monacello, who later become a government witness, was handling Borgesi's mob business while Borgesi was incarcerated.

"That's going to be interesting," a law-enforcement official said of the Borgesi-Angelina situation.

Then there are Narducci and the old-school Scarfo soldiers like Joe "Joey Punge" Pungitore. Some of them have a bad history with Merlino.

"Joey Pungitore hates Merlino. He hates his guts," Leonetti said. "Merlino robbed Pungitore's house while his mother was asleep on the couch. All her jewelry was gone. Pungitore told me that himself."

In less than three months, Merlino will exit the federal detention center in Miami and be beyond the government's reach for the first time since 1999. No probation officer, no restrictions on where he can travel or with whom he can associate.

"We won't know where Merlino is laying his head after he gets released. He can walk out of prison and walk into a car and where he goes no one knows," a law-enforcement official said. "He'll be back, without a doubt."

An ex-associate of the Philadelphia mob who spoke with the Daily News on the condition of anonymity (for obvious reasons) said he fully expects Merlino to get back into the game, even if the playing field in Philadelphia has shrunk.

"It's kind of like a sickness. You can have everything in the world going for you, but for some reason everyone wants to keep coming back here, where they know everyone and everyone knows them," the former associate said. "Who the hell wants to come back here? It don't make sense."

Merlino, who was slapped with the latest four-month prison term after he was caught associating with Ciancaglini in June, has insisted that he's focused solely on working as the maitre d' at the new Florida restaurant bearing his family name. They serve dishes inspired by his mother, Rita.

He says he has no plans to return to Philly.

"I need a vacation after working so hard at the best restaurant in Florida, Merlino's Restaurant," he texted last month before reporting to the Miami prison.

There are also rumors that the feds are trying to build a new case against Merlino, but it's unclear how far along the investigation is, or whether it will result in an indictment.

When a federal prosecutor recently claimed that Merlino is still an active mafioso, Merlino responded: "The guy's mental."

People have been saying for years that the Philly mob is dead or dying. The question now is whether the next boss proves to be a doctor or an undertaker.

"I think it's kind of seen its day and gone. Nobody is lighting the world on fire. I don't see anyone with a significant amount of money," the former mob associate said.

"Not bigger than U.S. Steel," he said, chuckling at the quote from "The Godfather: Part II."

"That's for sure."



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Posted By: PhillyMob

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 10:33 AM

Yea I just got the Philly paper. Mazzone Johnny Chang and narducci are on the front cover. Good article. Gonna be interesting when Merlino gets out to see if he goes right back to his old ways. No more restrictions.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 10:38 AM

I'm putting in a new bathroom right around 17th and Oregon today, wonder if I'll see anyone. Phil's for lunch? Lol. They do have the best steaks around that area
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 11:10 AM

The 3 man panel is defo a move to placate narducci . I've said from day one that he ain't scared of anyone especially merlino , mazzone and ciancaglini who were street corner punks wen he was whacking people for scarfo
Posted By: PhillyMob

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 12:05 PM

Yes I agree. ^^^^
Posted By: azguy

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: domwoods74
The 3 man panel is defo a move to placate narducci . I've said from day one that he ain't scared of anyone especially merlino , mazzone and ciancaglini who were street corner punks wen he was whacking people for scarfo


Hey, keep your friends close and your enemies closer, smart move on Skinny's part if you ask me. Someone else for the Feds to chase around in the middle of the night and maybe they have come to a reasonable;e understanding for the future..
Posted By: mike68

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 01:21 PM

So did this guy read Scott's article before he wrote his own? Sure seems like it.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: domwoods74
The 3 man panel is defo a move to placate narducci . I've said from day one that he ain't scared of anyone especially merlino , mazzone and ciancaglini who were street corner punks wen he was whacking people for scarfo
cannot agree more Dom.There is great hatred for Skinny with the guys a little older than him on up.The guys that we're loyal too skinny where his friends" not mob guys.Mob guys got put away or layed low after sr.got put away.This is what all this jr. taking over was all about.Time will tell if they come out to play...
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 06:20 PM

Just got home. Saw a couple neighborhood guys around 17th and Shunk. No Phil's for lunch, had some soup and a turkey sandwich instead.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: mike68
So did this guy read Scott's article before he wrote his own? Sure seems like it.


Could be, a more likely scenario is he had the same or similar sources. Everything stated is pretty much common knowledge on the street out here.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 06:34 PM

This fam has more captains and administration guys that soldiers on the street it seems like. Wonder if we are witnessing a mini resurgence of Philly after the disastrous 90s.
Posted By: merlino

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
This fam has more captains and administration guys that soldiers on the street it seems like. Wonder if we are witnessing a mini resurgence of Philly after the disastrous 90s.


Like a perfect storm of all the players on the street at the same time with different interests....tons of business opportunities going on in Philly now a days and in s philly and the legitimate ones like real estate are going through the roof in e passyunk area of s philly...they could do legitimate business and make way more than those nickles and dimes they were squeezing
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey


"It's a somewhat unusual, and possibly volatile, power-sharing arrangement. These triumvirates don't usually end well. Check your Roman history."



It IS "somewhat usual", not "normally volitale", and where it has been used DOESN'T "usually end poorly". These beat writers suck. People like to hate on George Anastasia but at least he knew his LCN history enough not to misspeak just for the sake of filling the page. This paragraph is complete fabrication and incorrect conjecture

CC: Lucchese, Genovese, DeCavalcante Families.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 08:56 PM

It is not usual for philly, also different guys from different eras. I'm not defending anyone here but even what you quoted "normally volatile" is not what was written. It clearly says "possibly volatile". Just to reiterate I am not defending this writer, but it is an unusual situation for philly, and based on what history has shown us so far, "possibly volatile" is not a huge reach here.
Posted By: PHL_Mob

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 09:06 PM

I don't understand how Phil Narducci can supposedly have all this hatred for Merlino yet get along with them to the point that he's running this supposed "triumvirate" with Merlino guys, one of which (Johnny Chang) he supposedly has a serious beef with? I've got to imagine that smart money is on one of these two factions vying for a sole spot. I just can't see this lasting harmoniously for years to come. I think Merlino is staying in FL for a reason... He doesn't want to get popped which I think is s real possibility if he comes back to Philly... I didn't know that little tidbit about him robbing Joey Pung's own mother...
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 10:14 PM

I'm not doubting anyone of these authors.

I just see it that the whole Philip Narducci power grab is very convenient. His dad was supposedly power hungry; he did a ton of time. Of course he feels entitled. But, he's wise to the risk of being the lightning rod in Philly.

Next - Is Johnny Chang on the panel because his dad just got out, and they deserve some power? Convenient spin.

Something may be going on if Nicodemo stood up, and all these guys are coming back around. But, I'm not sure any real drama right now. If there's gonna be any shenanigans, it will be when skinny hits the streets.
Posted By: PHL_Mob

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 11:10 PM

Nicky Whip very fair... That makes a lot of sense to me actually....
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/18/15 11:25 PM

I just don't see any evidence (other than Philly mob of 1980's-1990's)that confirms what he is inferring, which is that another LCN war potentially looms on the horizon.

Many of these guys must look back at the 80s and 90s faction war idiocy and think to themselves, "wow, that was stupid". I would be absolutely shocked to see any power struggle in Philly mob in 2015.

It just struck me as sensationalist, and I've seen it from far too many Inquirer beat writers in recent years.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/19/15 11:32 AM

Sensationalist is a good description. I don't doubt these reporters have inside sources. But who knows what's true and what's embellished to sell print?

It's quite possible that there is friction amongst guys. And, there could be a ruling panel in order to keep the peace.

You can say that Chickie Chang and Johnny are plotting against Skinny and anyone else who hit Joey Chang back in the day. It's plausible since horsehead and a few others made it known that Merlino and crew were behind that.

Point being, You can find a connection to any scenario and make it possible. But, is it really going to happen?? No one can answer that.

IF, and no one has any idea about this, BUT, IF anyone is gonna make a move, it makes the most sense that it's when Merlino gets out of jail. He is a source resentment for some guys, AND a Leader for others.
Posted By: pmac

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/19/15 01:24 PM

does joey have any blood family in the philly mob. like all the scarfo guys have brothers, dads uncles active. hes dad and uncle are dead. read his cousins are legit. usally if you got family members you hold more weight.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/19/15 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
Sensationalist is a good description. I don't doubt these reporters have inside sources. But who knows what's true and what's embellished to sell print?

It's quite possible that there is friction amongst guys. And, there could be a ruling panel in order to keep the peace.

You can say that Chickie Chang and Johnny are plotting against Skinny and anyone else who hit Joey Chang back in the day. It's plausible since horsehead and a few others made it known that Merlino and crew were behind that.

Point being, You can find a connection to any scenario and make it possible. But, is it really going to happen?? No one can answer that.

IF, and no one has any idea about this, BUT, IF anyone is gonna make a move, it makes the most sense that it's when Merlino gets out of jail. He is a source resentment for some guys, AND a Leader for others.



I mean that's where I was going here. But I just don't see a power struggle. Uncle Joe proved that "make money, not headlines" works. And honestly, I'm not sure if I buy this whole "not enough cash to go around" thing. I'm sure half the youngsters (guys under 50) are fronting start up money for dope dealers, book, shy… there aren't THAT many mouths to feed. Then again, maybe I'm wrong...
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/19/15 01:36 PM

Surely they're not stupid enough to start another war, it would more then likely destroy what's left of the family.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/19/15 01:38 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Surely they're not stupid enough to start another war, it would more then likely destroy what's left of the family.


Exactly my contention Tommy.

But then again you have to factor in the smarts of guys like Nicodemo sooooo....
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/19/15 01:41 PM

No. Just his Dad and uncle Yogi, both dead, both brought in by Scarfo. Mazzone is the 1st generation in his family too. Chang has his dad, who was made under Bruno. Scarfo goes back before Bruno i think. Uncle Joe brought in by Chuckie in the 80s.

Down in Philly/ South Jersey Chickie Chang may be the las of the guys brought in by someone besides Testa/Scarfo or Stanfa/Merlino regime. Scoops and Norht Jersey guys, I dunno.



Originally Posted By: pmac
does joey have any blood family in the philly mob. like all the scarfo guys have brothers, dads uncles active. hes dad and uncle are dead. read his cousins are legit. usally if you got family members you hold more weight.
Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/19/15 02:24 PM

Things seem to be very crowded in the Philly streets but no violence at all tells me that the Philly mob must be pretty strong if 3 guys are willing to power share without any problems. After the 3 heads (Chang, Narducci and Mazzone) you got the 2nd tier of Chang Sr, Borgesi, and Uncle Joe and Merlino all 7 guys who can all claim validly to be boss coexisting proves we under estimated the money still out there.

I wonder also for a majority of them if perhaps being a mobster is a 2nd job. Many of them like Narducci have hearty legit income, many are involved in real estate now, house flipping, partners in contracting and some are married to successful women also. I remeber having a legit job on the books was something Uncle Joe stressed to everyone back when he was in charge as well.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/19/15 02:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever

I wonder also for a majority of them if perhaps being a mobster is a 2nd job. Many of them like Narducci have hearty legit income, many are involved in real estate now, house flipping, partners in contracting and some are married to successful women also. I remeber having a legit job on the books was something Uncle Joe stressed to everyone back when he was in charge as well.


I almost mentioned this, too! I know a few full time bookies. A friend and some clients at our firm, etc. One of the latter is "connected" elsewhere (as far as I'll go there). They all hold full time jobs. It's not like loan sharking and bookmaking is a time consuming task. I'll agree that "the old days" are gone. But I think think they could be gone in that, no longer can you sit on your ass all day and just live easy 24/7. I mean, a supplemental $xx,xxx a year seems sufficient enough to me.

If you're a skipper, obviously that's another story altogether.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 01:38 AM

When you are a bookie who kicks up money and/ or is funded by somebody, it's a lot more at stake then supplemental income. Book making is actually a very time consuming task, especially when you have a large package (no homo).
Posted By: Crash

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 11:05 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
When you are a bookie who kicks up money and/ or is funded by somebody, it's a lot more at stake then supplemental income. Book making is actually a very time consuming task, especially when you have a large package (no homo).


I'd rather have a large package than a large book.
Posted By: merlino

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 11:24 AM

crash you practicing your standup routine on the message boards...get a twitter account...
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 12:34 PM

@Vegas
Point not in doubt, I agree. But I think a book can be run supplementally to a 9-5. Especially the kind of 9-5 that Lcn grunts usually work.
Posted By: merlino

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 12:58 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
@Vegas
Point not in doubt, I agree. But I think a book can be run supplementally to a 9-5. Especially the kind of 9-5 that Lcn grunts usually work.


the way most books are today they are online and you get the code from the bookie, make your bets and its all online and doesnt say any dollar amounts just numbers then go the bar or wherever and collect or pay.... a 9 to 5er could easily run this and check it at night or whatever and set up the amount that the gambler is allowed to bet....pretty good and easy set up now and the lines are adjusted based on the bets..cash cow
Posted By: SinatraClub

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 05:46 PM

The 3-man panel itself may be a fabrication. Joey Merlino is still running things. He still has his guys in place, and Narducci is not on any sort of ruling panel. A recent article from Scott Burnstein, and his sources say they simply placated Narducci by letting him do his own thing. He's basically cut off, according to the report. He plays no role in Philly LCN politics or the family itself. When he came home from prison, and they called him in, he basically told them to "fuck off" and never went to see anybody that mattered. They're letting him do his own thing, without any interference, and he gives some of what he earns to Stevie Mazzone, sources claim that he does this, knowingly with the mindset of "whatever Stevie does with the money is on him", because Narducci still doesn't respect or acknowledge Joey Merlino, again according to sources. So instead of starting a war, they seem to be letting Narducci live and run his own operation. Chickie Ciangalini is underboss in name only, and supposedly defers daily activities to his son, and is only used as an arbitrator, he's only there for advice. Feds are supposedly hoping they'll be able to pin an indictment on Merlino before he gets out in May. They're hellbent on Merlino spending the rest of his life in prison.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 06:59 PM

SinatraClub : Explained that well, all sounds good but Narducci will not sit.Could be waiting for a couple guys to get around him or waiting for someone like Georgie(will not sit) to start making a wedge or noise with others, but it is not staying like this long.

I am not sure of the amount of guys hitting the street in the next 3/4 months (don't hold me to that number )but it must be around five. I am not a researcher but I know they are half out or getting out.

You seam to have this down pretty good the guys that are getting out where do you see them falling in. Well all but "Skinny".
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
The 3-man panel itself may be a fabrication. Joey Merlino is still running things. He still has his guys in place, and Narducci is not on any sort of ruling panel. A recent article from Scott Burnstein, and his sources say they simply placated Narducci by letting him do his own thing. He's basically cut off, according to the report. He plays no role in Philly LCN politics or the family itself. When he came home from prison, and they called him in, he basically told them to "fuck off" and never went to see anybody that mattered. They're letting him do his own thing, without any interference, and he gives some of what he earns to Stevie Mazzone, sources claim that he does this, knowingly with the mindset of "whatever Stevie does with the money is on him", because Narducci still doesn't respect or acknowledge Joey Merlino, again according to sources. So instead of starting a war, they seem to be letting Narducci live and run his own operation. Chickie Ciangalini is underboss in name only, and supposedly defers daily activities to his son, and is only used as an arbitrator, he's only there for advice. Feds are supposedly hoping they'll be able to pin an indictment on Merlino before he gets out in May. They're hellbent on Merlino spending the rest of his life in prison.


Honestly, it sounds like Merlino is hellbent on spending the rest of his life in prison too, the way he parades around.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: merlino
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
@Vegas
Point not in doubt, I agree. But I think a book can be run supplementally to a 9-5. Especially the kind of 9-5 that Lcn grunts usually work.


the way most books are today they are online and you get the code from the bookie, make your bets and its all online and doesnt say any dollar amounts just numbers then go the bar or wherever and collect or pay.... a 9 to 5er could easily run this and check it at night or whatever and set up the amount that the gambler is allowed to bet....pretty good and easy set up now and the lines are adjusted based on the bets..cash cow


Yes that is true that is how it's done nowadays. For anything $100 a play and up though there are guys doing it over the phone still a lot more than you would think, trust me. I handicap a lot of sports, I mostly use five dimes and a local who set me up with an account online. When I do big shit though, I use a guy I call in south philly, lay 500 or a dime on a game and they never bat an eye, like they seriously could care less. Been handed over 3k and handed over like 2300 worst week and they seriously seem like they could give a shit less
Posted By: SinatraClub

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/20/15 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Serpiente
SinatraClub : Explained that well, all sounds good but Narducci will not sit.Could be waiting for a couple guys to get around him or waiting for someone like Georgie(will not sit) to start making a wedge or noise with others, but it is not staying like this long.

I am not sure of the amount of guys hitting the street in the next 3/4 months (don't hold me to that number )but it must be around five. I am not a researcher but I know they are half out or getting out.

You seam to have this down pretty good the guys that are getting out where do you see them falling in. Well all but "Skinny".


I only know what I read, man. I don't claim to have any inside knowledge. Most of what I said is from Scott's article on his website and what some Philly locals on another forum claim, which is mostly in tune with the theory that there is no actual ruling panel and that Narducci is just basically a one man gang right now. Word is he has no current made guys around him at the moment, just regular criminals he's using for associates and the drug guys from 10th & Oregon. Could be interesting to see if anyone coming out aligns themselves with him and give him the backing he seems to need in order to make any real moves. But idk about that.
Posted By: PhillyMob

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/21/15 08:24 AM

What's up with chickie since he got out of jail? Has he been spotted with anyone from the old day?
Didn't no if he has been quiet since he got out or expecting some kind of administration spot within the family?
Posted By: merlino

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/21/15 09:57 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Originally Posted By: merlino
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
@Vegas
Point not in doubt, I agree. But I think a book can be run supplementally to a 9-5. Especially the kind of 9-5 that Lcn grunts usually work.


the way most books are today they are online and you get the code from the bookie, make your bets and its all online and doesnt say any dollar amounts just numbers then go the bar or wherever and collect or pay.... a 9 to 5er could easily run this and check it at night or whatever and set up the amount that the gambler is allowed to bet....pretty good and easy set up now and the lines are adjusted based on the bets..cash cow


Yes that is true that is how it's done nowadays. For anything $100 a play and up though there are guys doing it over the phone still a lot more than you would think, trust me. I handicap a lot of sports, I mostly use five dimes and a local who set me up with an account online. When I do big shit though, I use a guy I call in south philly, lay 500 or a dime on a game and they never bat an eye, like they seriously could care less. Been handed over 3k and handed over like 2300 worst week and they seriously seem like they could give a shit less


Hahah...i have seen what you are saying there is a guy where i live who sits at the lounge area at a golf course and does same thing...big dollars and doesnt bat an eye
Posted By: SinatraClub

Re: 3 headed monster running the philly mob? - 02/22/15 12:54 AM

Originally Posted By: PhillyMob
What's up with chickie since he got out of jail? Has he been spotted with anyone from the old day?
Didn't no if he has been quiet since he got out or expecting some kind of administration spot within the family?



He was expecting an admin spot when he came home according to a couple of OC reports and articles. And they were willing to give it to him. Word was he wanted to be boss, but that isnt the case. He's supposedly currently Underboss only in name, and acts more of an adviser to his son, Johnny, who runs day to day activities for him.
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