Gotti JR .. Proffer

Is it possible the fbi requested this session and Carnese ( gotti jr lawyer) wanted to kind of feel out the feds, see if they show their hand? Is it possible they requested it and JR went on the advice of his attorney and never intended to cooperate? Something tells me JR did not ever intend to cooperate.

Carnese wasn't even there he was with Jeffery Lictman. He knew Carnesi would tell everyone which he did he went n told danny n jimmy n

I know its a little late, but very recent Junior Gotti radio interview....

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2...related_stories

I doubt it. What I think happened is this:

Junior offered his services as a C.I. on the condition that he never had to testify. Don't forget that at that point he still could have come out with at least one stripe, even if they broke him down from skipper. So he probably could have been a useful informant.

But the Feds didn't want a Gotti as a C.I. They wanted Junior on the stand to belittle his father's memory, even in death. Junior couldn't go that route, the deal fell through, and the Feds let the 302 slip for spite. It's just their style.

So technically Junior didn't go through with ratting. But I'm convinced that he offered his services as a C.I. That the Feds wouldn't go for it is neither here nor there. He offered his services. End of story.

This gives me no pleasure, but Junior can only blame himself for a lot of this stuff. He abused Willie when they were being held in Valhalla (even though Willie would have broken him in half if it was a square street fight without fear of repercussion). Junior backed Willie into a corner and turned him into a rat. I don't condone what Willie did. But I do understand why he did it. Junior and Greg were going to hang him out on front street.

Junior also bought into Greg's line of bullshit when they tried to squeeze Tore out, and it backfired. And poor Craig DePalma I don't even want to get into. The kid had no business in the life. But that's neither here nor there, either.

well said , you can throw mike sergio in there also.. craig "rest in peace" once given immunity in atlanta gave info up to the grand jury, the ausa told him and his lawyer were going to use it for investigations only, never come out. bullshitted him.. the guy could not handle prison.he hoped he would say things about scores , gold club JR and scars.. The G gave up the grand jury to public.. JR did the same thing as Craig..did he not think they would do that to him?alite got his hands on a few 302's ..if the G would have leaked it, the heavy stuff would have come out.. corozzos #1..castellano shooters, all the violence.. for my money there are plenty more 302's.. if JR lost at trial...he flips before he hits the bullpen..he had that insurance card or get out of jail card waiting..

Bronx, so if jr gotti lost at trial, he would have flipped? what a dirty 1OO% pure dog. im glad I didn't buy his book, I don't want that dog to make a nickel off of me. I hope somebody whacks the dog.

Thanks, Bronx. You and I are usually on the same page. And you're spot-on about Mikey Hop. But his son Steven was a retard and a rat himself, so father and son have to share that responsibility. The apple falling from the tree and all that.

has he come out to defend himself against the 302s he was on a book tour and once this paperwork became public not a squeak. yaeh im guessing uncle pete Richard gene and there 10 made kids probably have to disown him or there doing all these jail bids for shit. all the gotti took there oaths and prison terms and jr tried to wiggle out. that's a awkard thankgiving. don't answer the phone that day.

very true

Hello Binnie, just my observation, he did go into the G , that shows weakness, if he got cold feet or as Pizza said tried to propose being a C.I., give up info and make a better plea deal, once the G had a gotti in their office, no way they would not go full bore on him putting his hand up, once you step in that room .you ratted..no way back..the street finds out ,you become a major liability..guys have been killed for less .. i'm 100 % he flips if convicted..he had plea deals on the table each trial . i'm sure in trial 2 and 3 the deals got better..he probably could have taken a pound.

So let me see if I understand this PB and Bronx, on the Scores case the following ratted:
Willie Marshall
Sergio
Mikey Hop
Craig DePalma
Joh Gotti Jr
Mickey Scars
Fat Pete

The only one that didn't was Greg DePalma and Locasio?

Sorry,"Deadlock Don"....a proffer is a proffer is a proffer.

Well, Junior didn't proffer until he was inside for the Scores case. Same goes for Craig. And Fat Pete and Mikey Scars didn't get wired up until after Scores, either. But it's all semantics because they all spilled their guts later on.

The rest of the guys on your list are correct.

And don't forget Blutrich and Pfeffer. They both ratted themselves (which was no surprise whatsoever).

There is something with the feds where you tell them everything you did and how you did it without testifying against others. An older guy i know did that in a fraud case. Im almost 100% that is what he told us. He got 18 months when he would of got 5 years. No one else was charged. It was strange. Could that be what JR wanted to do?

the two owners of scores, willie, mike sergio, craig carlino, some strippers, the case plead out, so their may have been more come out.. craig flips in the grand jury in atlanta after he is doing his bid,

True on the strippers. Fat Pete married one of them, AFTER she gave secret grand jury testimony in '98. That should have sent up a red flag. But we're not talking about rocket scientists here.

When Pete wired up in '03, it was no surprise to anyone who knew him. Nice enough kid, but he was no tough guy, his tremendous girth aside. And like I said, the "entertainer" that he married spilled her guts back in '98, so was it really a surprise when he flipped?

Last I heard he's living under his own name in a very exclusive area in upper Connecticut. Everyone he blabbed about is dead or in WITSEC themselves. What does he care?

right again...Pizza..imagine depalma claims pete again when he gets out..then ,i think pete brings in falcone ?

Exactly what happened. They hooked up at that dump Spaghetti Western. The fucking name of the place alone should have told them that they were doomed .

And they ruined the fat kid up in Port Chester, too, because of that shit. Per Voi was fantastic. My go-to place when I was up that way. Fucking Greg .

And thanks again. I know what I know, and I don't pretend to know what I don't know. I don't rely on books or Google or press releases. It is what it is. You live in an area for half a century, you pick a few things up. End of story.

I couldn't give two shits what goes on in Montreal or Chicago or Detroit or Philly (although I must admit, the Merlino saga is fun to watch as a spectator, and we share the Boca connection, so he does interest me a bit).

greg locked up more guys then any one agents work LOL..the G should never have given him more than house arrest..

that is what I was telling Extortion the other day..to people who do not live in these areas can not fathom having this info.from the mid 80's some wise guys were telling girls their biz..trying to look important.

Every broad in Knuckleheads was half a fucking wiseguy. And you know I ain't even joking.

bocelli will be at the hardrock next week..you going

I'd love to, but not this time.

Harry Connick's at the West Palm Theater next weekend. It's an easy ticket, so we may check it out. It's a nice room. We saw Mandy Patinkin and Patti Lupone there two years ago. Great acoustics, etc. Plus, they put on a helluva show. Even if you're not into their brand of music, they both have some set of pipes, I'll tell you that much.

PB
You know anything about pete vocarro( he was with greg depalma).. He got a button? He still around?

You mean Bobby Vaccaro? He ended up with Funzi, just like almost everyone else.

You do in fact read google and books you've said it yourself. I enjoy reading your posts, given the amount of time you spend on the computer I'll highly doubt, anyone in the bronx even talk to you after what you did back in 2005 or so ? You call everyone a fucking rat on here but in reality we all know who that is.

So I was at Junior's proffer in 2005?

Whatever you say, Dicknose. Tick tock, junkie. SC's coming for you.

2005 was a good year. Got my license, lol.

Were patinkin & lupone doing their two people show together? I saw it when they did it on Broadway.

You know Patti Lupone was on the show Falcone she was good in that.

And the movie Wise Guys with Piscopo and DeVito

Did you guys see Falcone on tv? That was a good freaking show.

Yeah, Foot. They're very close, so it was a reunion of sorts. Because I believe they co-starred in the original "Evita" on Broadway back in the early '80s.

Fantastic show. They both have to be in their 60's now, but their voices are as strong as ever.

I'd wager most guys in "the life" are dirty dogs, whether or not they become informants or not. I don't see how 'ratting' is anyhow worse than robbing, killing, and stealing.

It isn't. But a lot of people seem to have this affinity and appreciation for Italian Crime, and the so called "honor" they have.

What? You mean he when he was driving with two hot girls and they had an accident...oh, wait, that was the movie I Know What You Did Last Summer.

He's banned already, Fleming.

He claims that I was with Junior at his proffer session. And he also posted a wedding photo of a former board member, and insulted the guy's wife in a post.

This is what you're dealing with. He's the artist formerly known as DickNose over here. Which tells you all you need to know.

Yeah, he seemed pretty trollish. I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but it was too easy to make fun of him. Have a good night.

Right back at ya, pal .

Anybody see the Michael Blutrich story last night on 60 Minutes?

didn't he and another guy get 25 yrs in 1998, I missed the 60 minutes thing, but, recall the name. wasn't it in Miami that they got sentenced?

Binnie it was Michael Blutrich and Lyle Pfeffer in Orlando, Florida

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2015/05/mobbed-up-scores-story-on-tonights-60.html

Binnie, here is the 60 Minutes show on Blutrich:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s0FlHKnDBw

***Edited to include youtube 60 minute show, The CBS video previously posted contained too many Viagra commercials

thanks beans, i was looking for this

What angers me is that stupid looking FBI agent and Prosecutor were supporting and recommending that the Florida Judge let a Pedophile like Blutrich walk and probably assume a new identity were he doesn't have to register as a sex offender in anytown USA. I respect the Florida Prosecutor that fought any recommendation form NY to release Blutrich and prosecuted him on their charge.

You're welcome Mickey2.Also why didn't Anderson Cooper say Blutrich was a pedophile. Only that he had "obscene material" WTF?

man those **** viagra commercials.. think i'll wait on the youtube version.

Here Mickey2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s0FlHKnDBw

thanks a lot beans!

absolutely astonishing interview..!

Man, those books are bringing back ancient history. I hope Sammy doesn't write another book when he gets out (if he makes it). That old Diane Sawyer interview will be all over the place, and they'll probably set him up on 60 Minutes with his skank daughter.

Bronx, please check your PM

I hear you, Beans. And I agree that it's sickening. But the same thing just happened with the Papa Smurf case out in Jersey. A pedophile as the star witness. This is what you're dealing with when the Feds decide to play dirty.

Anyway, Bronx and I have talked about this ad nauseam, on the board and off. But Blutrich and Pfeffer got the ball rolling on Scores. It was the perfect storm for the Feds because that's exactly when Greg was doing his divide and conquer bit between Tore and Junior.

That case hurt a lot of people. And not just prison time. I mean financially. A lot of guys who were living high on the hog prior to that indictment STILL haven't recovered financially. But between asset seizures and attorney's fees, well, that's the part they tend to leave out of "The Sopranos." A dozen busted suitcases just doesn't make for good television.

Thank you PB

Hello Beanshooter,..there was misinfo and not enough on michael b. mike b was already involved with mike sergio before scores..first lie they showed up at scores ..maybe pizza will know this he was involved in a catering hall i believe..in westchester , bronx ? he had other involvements with him also..when they get pinched in fla, lyle shalom, and a lawyer , great guy..rick herman, big balls, they flip on him and push blame his way, he defends himself and crushes them at trial and beats the case, a miracle..or he would have gotten 800 years..it took a toll on his family, agents showed pictures of him with a girl i believe, ruined his biz..now you can atch him on the news outlets talking cases..happy for him..he was also called by believe it or not by the G in atl vs scars..he crushed the G there also. 60 minutes point here was what? sergio told the truth, he robbed everyone,and those two guy lyle and mike b were in play trying to rob the manager who built the place up..he was a big victim also, nice guy.. i know the case pretty well if you have question ..ask..PB what say you ..or anyone else who may be familiar..

That fbi dude at the end is such a duck. No one can just say. Hey. He was a great witness. No. It has to be ten times better than the best. Ugh. And no one is killing this fat fucking pedophile queer

New Rochelle. It was a dump. But it wasn't his first choice. This asshole actually had the balls to approach Vinny DiNapoli, WITHOUT a Rabbi to make the introduction, and tells him he wants to buy his Shore Road property, including the old Glen Island Casino property. The way I heard it, Vinny just told him, "Thank you very much. But I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about."

As an aside, I want to add something about the DiNapolis: All three of them raised GREAT kids. Hard workers who NEVER threw their weight around in their lives. A few of them are in their fifties now and STILL working 16 hour days at their catering business. Now compare that to what Gotti, DePalma and company did to their sons. Night and day. But look at all of them now.


I say they did it to themselves, just like they always do.

How bout that old legend sonny franses and his crew trying to shake down I think the Larry lynnt club in midtown or were ever just couple years back I know the new england guys were doing it to all these shitholes around here which I think is stillhapn. Read in sonny trial he got paid when the genovese family said it was a dumb thing and they'd all go to jail but sonny didn't give a fuck.

was at scores about a month ago on 28th.. huge rip off.. awkward lap dances in the middle of the club.. 600 bucks minimum just to even get into the vip room for a half hour unreal...

stripper there told me she lives in houston and she flies out every 3 months or so for a couple of weeks and can clear 20 G easy

like all manhattan strip joints its extremely corporate no sign of LCN anywhere

its about LD clubs now. thats where the $ is. but you guys already know that

I hate those high end strip joints where you cant touch, the ones off the beaten path get you a bj or anything else. Thats my kind of joint.

yeah touching at scores for a 25 dollar one song lap dance is a no no and they have bouncers watching you the whole time since you're in the middle of the room.... better cheaper places in suburban areas no doubt