Jilly Greca

Any info on this guy? Reading Donnie Brasco, he says he was a made guy who ran a crew of associates. And that he saved Pistones ass on one occasion after someone suspected he was an agent. Says he got killed in the 80's cause they thought he was a rat. Pistone said he wasnt and they killed a stand up guy.

He got whacked by some guy on a motorcycle

Jilly Greca is one of those guys you will never see a photo of. Same goes for Maranzano and "Billy Batts" William Bentvena.

He was in Charles "Charlie Moose" Panarella's crew.

Colombo capo Panarella soldier Jilly Greca killed
As the mobster Giuliano “Jilly” Greca in 1980 drove in his car and stopped for a traffic light a biker stopped next to his car and shot him dead, he had worked under capo Panarella and had a shop from which he sold stolen goods. Greca was also the man who had unwittingly introduced undercoveragent Pistone into the mob.

from puparo roaring 80s

why was whacked jilly ? the pistone affair was in the 1981 and he died in the 1980 ?

He was under indictment due to early intelligence provided by Pistone (at least according to Pistone).

Must have not been highly thought of getting made then 2,3 yrs later whacked. Carmine persico might have order more hits then any boss in the 80s fucked up part scarfo smaller family probably 2.

Pistone claims they thought he was a rat. He says he wasn't. While working with Jilly and his guys, once of Jilly's crew members suspected Pistone of being an agent or informant, and had called down to Florida to check him out. Pistone knowing his steps, had told one of the informants under him to vouch for him if it ever came up. The guy remembered and did it. After that Jilly sided with Pistone and had his guys squash it after that.


I don't know about him being indicted under info given by Pistone, as he never mentions it in his book, but it could be.

Not sure if it is connected BUT, when you watch the Iceman interviews (Richard Kuklinski)....He tells this exact story about how he was on a motorcycle, he pulls up to a stop light and says to the guy in the vehicle, "Cuban?".....He said the guys response was, "Fuck You"......then the Iceman pulled out his gun and said, "No, Fuck You!", and shot him in the face.

Now I know that a lot of what Kuklinski said was false BUT, a lot more of the stuff he said actually did occur. They have the news reports to back a lot of it up.

I always thought he may have been linked to this but, Greca was with the Colombo's and not sure how his association with the Gambino's would be linked.

When did Greca get whacked?
If it happened after Pistone's revealing, then it is quite possible he died for letting DB in to their life.

Also, I have NEVER seen this guys photo, as well as Sally Fruits Farrugia's........Help us out toodoped, we know you have them! :o)

Indictment for what and by whom? Brooklyn or Manhattan feds? Brooklyn or Manhattan DA? I know this question has been asked before but if there was an indictment made, nobody has yet found it.

Was Greca under investigation and possibly facing indictment instead?

In nest of paranoid Colombo killers who knows?

Yet Pistone in three books and Jules B in his mostly dogshit one never say... What gives?

Sharp thinking. Also curious

Jilly was killed around 1980, while Pistone was still undercover working with the Bonanno's. So it couldnt of been his association with Pistone as the reason for him being whacked.

Here is the clip about the Iceman talking about his first Mafia murder for hire. I seriously think it happened in 1980.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXgi72W2H7U
Listen to clip at: 1:50:40

Does anyone else think he may be talking about Greca?

Nah, I think the Iceman's first hit must have been the Carmine Galante one. lol.

No.

Anyway, to be more productive, here's a part from Donnie Brasco: Unfinished Business:

The only thing Richard Kuklinski whacked was his dick when he was whacking off and fantasizing about killing all these people.

I know they're criminals, but I its amazing to me that Pistone feels no remorse for the amount of guys that were murdered as a direct result of his work.

Pistone's dirty. There's no doubt about it. He admits in his book that if it came down to it, he would've killed for the guys he was with, all to save his own ass, knowing it's against the law and FBI protocol and would've immediately gotten him pulled from the operation and most likely indicted on murder charges. That or with him being well-liked after all his years of productivity, they would've placed the murder on some other mob guy.

I can never figure what is the worst part of all this.... Pistone being such a stooge for the Feds, I mean who would do such things for a Job..... or ALL THE FUCKIN STOOGES WHO FELL FOR HIS BULLSHIT.

DP

The name he used alone would have sent a red flag .

That's what I always thought too. Donnie Brasco is the most cliche Italian criminal name ever. Like seriously.

Exactly, they should have grilled that fuca for at least Two years on the origins of his name ( FIRST & LAST) before they even considered makin any money with him.

I mean really, Donnie...."how do you get that tag" whats your real first name and who is it or what is it derived from? Check that out Alone and it, his story, crumbles.

I understand and agree its real easy to be a armchair Quarterback,,,,,but please, how desperate were these guyz, ..... ? Donnie Brasco, Jewels, that look???

DP

I agree with everything, but in the beginning, he looks like a fool, with the mustache and the sunglasses and shit. But there's photos later on in the operation where it seems like he actually copied certain guys style, there's a picture of him standing on the street with Sonny Black, I think it was the same day he got the contract to hit Bruno, and he doesn't look out of place at all, from the way he's standing, to his clothes and his demeanor, he's leaning on a car, but you could tell he knew they were taking pictures as he's the only one staring in the direction of the agents camera's.

NO offence to anyone,,,, but.....

He looks like some Mid West Moke to me from day one.

He looks like a Cop. From day one,, to day WTF.

DP

C'mon guys, it was enough to fool the Bonannos in the 70s. His cover was that he was an orphan, now how the hell would they look into his family name and origins?

I've always thought Pistone came off as the kinda guy who loves smelling his own farts, but you gotta give him credit where credit's due... his undercover op was unparallelled and unprecedented either in length or success. That said, I do think he's way too indoctrinated into the government bullshit.. sometimes I think he doesn't even realize that all he did was help weaken the mob in favor of a much bigger mob.

And believe me, I can tell he's felt pretty guilty about Sonny's death, he just doesn't admit it in his book, using "I was just doing my job" as the rationale, which is not unlike the rationale used in the Nurenberg trials, even though it isn't exactly a fair comparison. He always tried to steer clear of psychology and morality in his books, even claiming that he felt nothing at all about the aftermath of the operation.. well if that's true he's either a horrible liar, or a much bigger sociopath than most mob guys.

Just because someone doesn't show remorse in public doesn't mean they don't feel it privately.

As for his cover...it's easy to sit here and write how "obvious" it was now, 30+ years after it happened.

There is not much info on him. But his real name was Angelo J. Greca and he was born in 1927. He did a stint behind bars in the early 1970s after been arrested in Switzerland on charges of conspiracy to transport and sell a $100,000.00 U.S. Treasury note stolen from a New York brokerage firm. He lived in Brooklyn. Made in 1977. Killed in April of 1980. His father Joseph was an early Colombo member.

Madison Arnold played a great little cameo in the Donnie Brasco film, no idea what Jilly looked like or how he carried himself but Madison Arnold was very convincing!

the context was that if it was the wiseguy or him it would be the wiseguy every day of the week. in other words if he was ordered to kill someone there and then and he had to do it or be killed himself then he would do it. no brainer.

This isn't the same picture that you're talking talking about Sinatra, but here's:

Sonny Black & Pistone.