Black Gangs

A bit of a hot topic maybe at the moment with the Brown case.

How do they operate? I know crips and bloods are split into sets but who rules over each gang? Is there any commission like ruling body or are they free for all animals with only loose affiliation.

If you're talking about street gangs like Crips and Bloods, then your talking about a loose affiliation of neighborhood gangs (Rolling 60's Crips, 83 Gangster Crips, etc) which are driven by mostly teenagers and twenty-somethings. There's not many "rules", "ruling body", or anything like that. Again, we're talking about neighborhood gangs of mostly teenagers and twenty-somethings. The older members might have a certain amount of pull of the younger ones, but that's as close to a leader they have.

Are they all young thugs in their 20s? Who leads, is there central leadership at all? Any blacks in their 30s even?

Yes, a bunch of young, disorganized thugs. If you call robbing a chinese food delivery boy for $5 bucks and then killing him organized crime ,then i dont know what to tell you. Thats the kind of bullshit these guys are into. And lets not forget selling bags of heroin ,shooting up their neighborhoods, and having lots of babies.

Street gangs have their hands in everything from fraud, sex trafficking, drugs on all levels, robbery and money laundering. Not every gang has the same structure some are loosely organised and others are have ranks, some just organise around drug trafficking. There are also older members involved in a lot of gang activity especially when it comes to drug trafficking and other schemes.

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it depends on the gang itself. some are really loose knit and have no hierarchy while others are really organized. i know smaller black gangs(not all black but mostly) out here in ohio.. they're organized into two different branchs(i consider branches while they consider flying one flag and set). you got one side of the gang that is making money. no real leader there on that side. while on the other wing of the gang you got parties the real gang-bangers who might kill you for saying something wrong these are usually the younger ones who dont give a fuck. many street gangs aren't organized they do what they want. at the same time many are organized and can be considered organized crime groups.

Chicago had huge, organized gangs. Until the FEDs targeted the leadership, and the centralized power bases in the projects got demolished.
Detroit has had, and I'm sure still do have huge drug gangs,
Some BLood sets in New York are REALLY organized,
The real issue isn't so much are black gangs organized, there have been countless examples of organized black gangs on a very high level, I think the real issue is diversification, and assimilation to legitimacy.
http://youtu.be/uwHUSQI4FOM
Check out this documentary if you want, about the GDs in Cabrini Green, CHuck Dorsey was a first cousin of mine...

@ CabriniGreen,
Chicago STILL have organized gangs ( hence mobs) such as Black Souls ( most tight knit black mob) , New Breeds, Vice Lords , and the same for the others. There's a lot history that your aware of and majority of these posters don't know. Yes there are some renegade decks out there obviously but remember that these groups were well organized in areas without projects.
I already posted in the past about Chuck Dorsey ( He was over Cabrini Greens sections) until he was killed. I too had a relative ( R.I.P) that was a high rank GD but not in the Chi , down here in my city.


i mean it's very obvious that they have diversified & some legit business. This been going on since the 60s (Chi wise) ! Yet some posters are too narrow minded to observe it. There's names of Chi chiefs, dons, and other leaders that isn't expose to y'all due to secrecy.

These guys sounds like serious gangsters in their own sense, East Coast, West Coast, Detroit and Chicago all seems to be more common knowledge. These guys are from the South, specifically Georgia.
https://www.gangsterismout.com/2021/02/donald-smurf-glass-life-10-years.html

Organized crime and senior or members over 40, is a key element for having a criminal group most organized.
Men below 40 in charge will act differently if they are the top earners of a criminal group.
But if you have men in the same group over 40 and making money, the group will be more organized, and the young members will act differently.
In Chicago for exemple, the young ones are acting wild, because there is not enough OGs in the street that make that kind of money, to make the young ones to stay in lanes.
While, in Montreal for exemple, the violence between gangs is at his low since decades. And one of the reasons, is that you got OGs over 40 that make money, and also make the young ones make money. So, when shooting are going bad, some OGs with a rep, will intervene.

***yes, we all know, the violence in canada is different than the US.
But OGs are important

One of the smartest black organized hoodlums in the old days was a fellow by the name of Ellsworth (Bumpy) Johnson out of West Harlem.

He operated in a similar fashion as the Italian, Irish, and Jewish mobs and was respected for it.

Bootlegging, narcotics, numbers and dice games, planned big money heists, strong-arm extortion, etc.

In fact he was on very friendly terms with many Italian hoodlums and got along with them well.

For my money, the most respected and intelligent black hoodlum in that area of the city.

Haha none of these lowlifes were respected. Black gangsters have always been seen as the lowest of the low, even to this day. You think Bumpy Johnson could be seen dining with a made guy? Never in a million years would that happen. He was referred to as 'the n---er'. That was his nickname lol. He was respected by other black thugs, but he was certainly not respected by any white gangster.

And no, the Crips and the Bloods have ZERO structure. They usually don't even have leaders or 'shotcallers' as they call 'em. It's just unbelievable how disorganized they are. I'm very happy they continue to kill each other though. I hear Compton is going through another genocide, thankfully

Ralphie_cifaretto you probably watch to much movies and fascinated by the old glory days of the mafia. Its not the 1930s anymore.

Sure, in the 70s not so much mobster were hanging out with black gangsters. But that was old days, now you probably got mobster that are at the same tables as blacks, hispanics and other crime figure that make alot of money in the crime world.

And talking about genocide in compton, smh

Guess what, the same crips or bloods you talking about, well sometime they got more money and power than some mob guys.

Compton had 25 murders in 12 days this past month lol. And they aren't even aiming at other gangbangers. These men are animals. You wanna defend that? Go ahead smh

I don’t defend that.

But keep the same energy when you’re talking about italians killing each other in Naples or Sicily

That 25 murders is for the entire LA County, not just Compton. As usual you're talking out of your ass.

Haha shut the fuck up weakling. 25 murders in LA county wow big mistake. Much of it is in Compton though

3 were in Compton, so again, you're talking out of your ass. It's gotta be tough to be so ignorant, but you make it look easy kid!

Hahaha bullshit. There were 16 murders in the city of Compton last month. I bet you're black lol

The accurate info is literally one Google away, you're going out of your way to be this stupid .

Haha I bet you think Google is the only search engine out there. You probably never been to Compton or understand the area. Carver Park isn't in Compton, but they claim Compton. The MOB is mostly in Lynwood, but they all claim Compton too. I bet you have zero idea what I'm talking about lol

Those are Crip and Blood gangs.. This is a crime forum you aren't talking about anything new dipshit . But it still doesn't change the fact that you are completely wrong about the murders in Compton itself, you're just moving goal posts for no reason. Also for some reason you're sending me multiple PM's calling me racial slurs now, so I don't see any further reason to go back and forth with someone so pathetic.

I've never used a racial slur in my life!!! How dare you

Organized crime committed by street gangs in general is not as diversified as the pie the Mafia's got their fingers in, but saying a criminal active in a street gang as a rule is nothing more than a petty thief is not quite fair. There's plenty that make a ton of money in the drug trade and in their respective areas they have plenty of sophisticated money laundering operations. As an organization the reach of street gangs doesn't go as far as the mob's, but there are quite a few criminals active in street gangs that are smarter and more talented at being gangsters than quite a few brokester mobsters are.

For instance, in Montreal the mafia has plenty of black associates and they're respected.

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I've heard some posters here comment that the black street gangs are giving the mafia a run for their money in certain U.S. Cities, or they ask if the Mafia could hold their own against such gangs. That the "Black Gangs" are overtaking the American underworld.

Not to insult anyone, because that is not my goal with this post. But I find it both humorous and short-sighted at best.
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There are many distinct differences between what's been referred to as "Traditional" organized crime, the mafia, and the type of crime perpetrated by black gangs such as the crips and bloods throughout the U.S. Starting back when the Italians were first attempting to establish themselves into American culture in the early 1900s, up through today, the differences are striking.

What follows is a very "short" list of some of those differences;

A) Regardless of the era, the Mafia has always had a very strict hierarchal structure; Capo, underboss, consigliere, caporegime, soldiers, associates. Overseeing it all is of course the "national" Commission. (although they have basic, simple leadership positions, black gangs do not. Nor do they even come close to the formation of the Mafia)

B) Echoing basic Italian culture and also drawing from the Roman Catholic Church, Italian criminals who ally with the mafia show a reverence and respect to their superiors that no other crime groups show (with the exception of the Japanese Yakuza). And because of the "tight-knit" nature of Italian family culture that they have learned from; fathers and mothers, uncles, aunts, grandparents which is inherent to Italian life, this "respect for family" if you will, transcends to their affiliation with their crime Family, their borgata. They truly operate "lock step" with the hierarchy as "soldiers" if you will. (unfortunately, blacks know no such culture, so they cannot draw from this "well" of knowledge, or feelings of solidarity for their organizations pecking order).

C) The Italian mafia is the most sophisticated organization the world over has ever seen. The wide smorgasbord or rackets, and their unmatched ability to infiltrate big business, the national labor movement, and to even be able to infiltrate and corrupt the highest levels of the United States government have been well documented over the decades time and time again. (black gangs on the other hand know no such sophistication, 99% of their racket activities engaged in are various forms of narcotics, or simple gunpoint robberies or thefts).

D) The Mafia, Black Hand, Cosa Nostra, N'drangheta, Camorra, Stidda, etc., in all its various forms, is an age-old organization. An self-perpetuating "organism" if you will. They have permeated the very fabric of society not only in Italy, Sicily, and the United States. But the world over; Canada, Australia, Germany, South America, England, etc., etc. (black street gangs are just that. Street gangs, who when matched against the mob fall woefully short, and have a very short history indeed. They are going nowhere fast as far as ever catching up to the deeply established Mafia).

E) Mafia members are well entrenched into all neighborhoods, and they mostly operate in a surreptitious manner. They are often "pillars" of their community. Often times even when they are known to be mobsters, after having been "outed" by the newspapers to the public, they are still embraced by the general public because of their "Robin Hood" type image. The live and operate from lower blue collar neighborhoods, to middle class and upper class neighborhoods, to multimillion dollar areas. (black gangs are feared and know no such larger acceptance by the general public.) Even law enforcement view them as being different and show no such respect for "Gang-Bangers." Even when placed under arrest, police show a certain "respect" if you will, when taking Italian mobsters into custody. Some are even half apologetic when slapping the cuffs on them. Many cops will even refrain from cuffing wiseguys. But Black street gang members know of no such reverence or respect.

F) Mafia members own, operate, or have pieces of major businesses, the breath and scope of which is breathtaking. They is literally no business, or industry that is immune from their ownership or infiltration. Because of this fact, the power and influence the exert on society is unparalleled. (black street gangs have never, do not now, nor will they ever, even come close to achieving what Italian organized crime has achieved. The Mafia has literally put the word "organized" in organized crime. Even the very concept of this is completely alien to black street gangs. Remember too that "street gangs" are just that..... at a very low level who operate in the street).

G) If you place a typical Italian mafia member next to a regular citizen, you wouldn't be able to tell who's who. They look, dress, carry themselves, and operate much the same as a normal citizen.... It is part of their allure. (But if you have a uneducated gangbanger with his tattoos, hair styles, mode of dress; baggy pants hanging off his ass, sloppy oversized tee-shirts or sweats, sneakers, and gaudy gold jewelry, swagger, matched next to a normal citizen. The contrast is shocking to say the least.... there is NO blending in. And citizens are afraid of them. They immediately realize what they are dealing with).
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I could go on and on about this subject. But I think the reader gets the idea. And regardless of whether its Crips and Bloods, or the El Salvadoran MS-13, or other type ethnic gangs regardless of where they may hail from. These types of street gangs will never approach the level of sophistication or racket activity that the Mafia enjoys... period.

You make a lot of excellent points IMO!
From the understanding I have been able to grasp, Bikers are viewed the same, just a bunch of skives on motorcycles. I find it so bizarre how all over the world Bikers are seen that way but in Montreal and Toronto, they wanna come off as Men. It's also another premier place where the blacks, bikers and everything else seems to be #1, while the mob is a joke apparently.

If the mob could ever put it's internal beefs on the shelve and focus on that disrespect, those and any other organizations would be in serious trouble, if not finished. The international scope of all the 'mafias' working together already exist, it is really only in Canada, where the beef with Ndrangheta in Toronto, CN in Montreal and 5 families is/was a thing. It is actually an anomaly as far as I have come to understand.

Birds of a feather, flock together..sometimes I wonder what else they do together or are into...cops included?? Nobody mentions this wierdo stuff, anyone believe this stuff still ain't going on there???
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ed-bust-the-hells-angels/article1031714/

I always found that funny, sure the mob is different than street gangs. But I see that most of the members in this group think that all street gangs are teenagers with there pants on there ass.
In fact, many black or hispanic organized crime group come from street gangs, but some gangs or clique changes and become something else and should not be called street gangs anymore.

The Mob is the mob and they are deep in many things. But, other organizations are not scared of the mob, like it use to be. You want to work with the mob, because you know you could profit from there relations. But they are not feared like that anymore.

***by the way, manu young black men dress like young street gang members, so I dont know how could you make the difference? So its not about the clothes, but more about how the person act, is tattoos, etc.
Same with an italian in the mob

Even the older, longer established black and hispanic gang members fall woefully short of what the mafia was, and is. None of them, NONE, have the deep penetration, sophistication, or ability to transcend themselves into anything but what they have always been. Street urchins.

They have no deeper "well" of understanding of what's what. Only their extremely limited knowledge of selling drugs, violence, and hurting one another. Period! And thats a well worn fact. How can you elevate yourself to become something more, when you don't have the "tools" to do it? You don't even know what it is you should be searching for to achieve.

With the Italian underworld, we are talking next level shit here. Not riding motorcycles by guys who haven't bathed or shaved in weeks. Or blacks and hispanic "kids" for all intents and purposes (regardless of how old they may be), who don't have a "clue" ?

The ONLY place I've seen them become a 'bit' elevated has been in Canada. An anomaly for sure. But even up there they are still "lost in space" in the larger scheme of things.

NYMafia I dont thinks nobody is saying that a black groups have surpassed or as the same level than what the mafia was or still is. Everybody knows that the italians made this organized crime shit, and nobody in America will be as powerful that what the mafia did.
Me, I’m just saying that in 2021, and probably since the 2000s, many organized crime groups and even some street gangs are not scared of the mafia anymore

You have any extremely outdated view that stems from decades ago....Alot of these other racial groups make more money in a week than cosa nostra makes in a year through the drug trade and have infinitely more street presence than the Italians. The bikers are extremely organized and have roots going back 80 years... And to say a "bit elevated" in Canada is a joke..The Hells Angels in Canada were making over 100 million a year from drugs alone, not to mention the gambling and loan sharking theyre involved in

Yeah, a $100 million from drugs alone! LOL......... can you even count that high? Do you know what a $100,000,000 is?? Don't make me laugh

In 2021, there are very few groups more powerful than LCN. In New York alone, they are still the most powerful organized crime entity. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Those other groups are so dysfunctional and primitive that they have no chance of penetrating entire industries in the way the mafia has. I don't always see eye to eye with NYMafia, but he is absolutely spot on here. As wounded as the mafia is these days, they still hold more influence than any biker gang or any black gang.

Thank you Ralphie! Finally we agree on something. Lol..... I appreciate the affirmation

there was an article in GENTLEMEN'S QUARTERLY in I believe 2019. a federal prosecutor and an NYC prosecutor were interviewed about the state of the LCN and other groups. they both said forget about the other groups no one is even close to the LCN even in the present day.

I agree with a lot of what was written NYMafia, a lot but not all. The Italians aren't feared any longer period, however, the different sects of Bloods are feared. The Italians will NOT enter into the ghetto's any longer and will not try to control any area of a city. The Bloods/Crips control most of the inner cities and probably work with the Italians who live, play and sleep in the suburbs which is the single major problem with todays MOB. They're SOFT. Try and walk up to a five star Blood shoot him in the head, run to Brick, NJ see if that five stars sect doesn't wipe out your entire family for retribution. Not even arguable. Gambino's look weak and in turn the MOB looks weak. I guarantee the real street gangs are laughing at them. I'm not saying the street gangs are smarter or better organized, they aren't but they are tougher. As far as organization I agree completely the Italians are unmatched even now. But they're a crime family, they're not GANGSTERS anymore.

Thanks for that Faffy

One last thing, when you wrote about influence, very limited this day and age. @0 years and more ago yes, politicians. cops, judges all in their pocket no more tho

I can get a lot of views here.

At one hand, it's true no other criminal organization in North America even today has the reach the Mafia has. The FBI still designates them as the number one noteworthy type of organized crime.
Historically speaking no other criminal organization will ever achieve what LCN achieved - it was a "right time right place" situation. All of those other newer "crime threats" that were supposed to supplant LCN never actually got to their level. Not the "Russians", not the Albanians and, no, not the cartels. I mean, not even close.

On the other hand, when people are questioning whether LCN is still feared, they do have a point. Mess with a street/prison/biker gang member of a certain stature - whether they're Black, Hispanic, White Supremacist, Asian... - someone's gonna come knocking on your door to rape your wife and smash your kid's skull with a bat before they get medieval on your ass. That's the reputation these gangs have. The Mafia on the other hand...people are asking all that time whether they're still around. Of course they're still around - and they still have more money and resources than your average joe realizes - but still they're regarded as a relic of a bygone age. Their name isn't on the streets any longer.
Sally Daz got killed without any repercussions. Frank Cali got killed...no repercussions. Informants and rats are living the life and having a ball out in the open without fear of getting whacked...
Sure you can argue that LCN doesn't need the heat, but situations like these don't do much to change the fact that the street reputation of the Mafia is basically non-existent nowadays.

Without a doubt TKJ, you are correct in many things you say. But remember that a "dictate" came down years ago after repeated assaults by LE against LCN there was to be "no more killings" Period. It was a self-survival technique.

Now, the witness program and the DNA capabilities today have forced members and the bosses to retreat. They ARE in a retreat mode. And have been for over 20 years already.

But make NO mistake. There is NO black, hispanic, or biker gang member who would EVER knowingly challenge a bonafide Mafia member. And in my own life I've personally witnessed this more times than I care to discuss here.

Forget about challenging them, these other groups "revere" them. In prison, or on the streets, they fawn in respect before Cosa Nostra members.

The few times one of these fellas went up against the mafia, the VERY FEW times, they typically came away losers. The other members of these gangs would tell them, "what are you a nut???" "thats the mafia man!"

There are still thousands or inducted members nationwide. Not to mentioned many tens of thousands of associates..... and for every soldier who is not a hitter, there is one that is.

You think these upstarts wanna chance that?? No way! No how! We can debate this all day long. And you are free to believe whatever you like.... but I believe (with all my fiber) that what I'm telling you is the truth of the matter. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow!

Made men have been challenged. Gotti got his ass kicked in jail.
And I live in Montreal and Toronto. And trust me, mafia member have been challenged by haitian gang members in Montreal. And we are talking about made men and not associate.
We get it, the mafia are the most connected organized crime group. But they arr not feared like you think. Sure, a criminal will think twice before attacking a made men, but sometime it happens.
In the eastern part of montreal, gang members were attacking mafia’s hot spot, and not by the order of another mafia member. But by themself, and everybody from the neighborhood knows that

BM, I appreciate what you are saying. And I too know of incidents where connected guys were assaulted. By blacks, Spanish, Irish, Polish, Portoguese, Greeks, and others ethnicities.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule. It's natural. After all, people are only human. Some people don't think straight, or get heated and lash out. But in those rare instances, they usually pick their punches.

For instance, Gotti Sr was a sixty-some-odd-years old man, against a young, 6'-something, 250 pound black hood who had nothing to lose. He was doing life already, so what did he care? Plus he knew he had the advantage. What you gotta say, is that although greatly out-gunned because of age and size, Gotti still stepped up and threw punches. THATS a ballsy guy! Not the 250 pounder who damn well knew there would be NO retribution whatsoever because they were both locked down and he had the advantage.

I wonder if he would have raised his hands if they were both out (free) on the streets?? Lol.... I doubt it!! In fact I'd lay my bottom dollar he would have folded his balls between his legs and said excuse me Mr. Gotti!

Because if he pulled that shit on the street, LCN dictate or no dictate, he would have been hunted down and slaughtered where they found him. If not shot dead on the spot as he raised his hands..... FACT

and I dare say that 99.9% of any similar incidents you heard about are either false bravado, they pick their shots, or they are nut jobs.

But either way, even in 2021, it's extremely rare to hear.

Yes its rare. In the 90s it was rare because of fear. Now since de 2000s, its mostly rare, because if you have the privilege to talk to a made men, you are probably in the high sphere of the criminal world of youre city. So you won’t attack a made man, because you know you’ll probably be banned from many opportunities. Sure, maybe you will have a hit on youre head, but at this level, most criminals got hits on their heads, so......

In 2021, and i’m talking about Montreal or Toronto and not the US. Most gangsters respect the mob because of opportunities. The mob is the most well established organization in Canada, so to be against them, its like closing many doors.
So, gangsters won’t attack a mobster just like that, but its not because of fear.

BM, I still don't agree with your assessment, but I respect your right to your own viewpoint.

NYMafia most oof the things said are opinions loll. But its nice to talk about those stuf.

That's why they're still regarded as the most important criminal organization imho; even in this day and age the mob is still the most resourceful, they still have their fingers in all the pies and their reach is still the furthest. If you're a serious criminal wanting to make a buck it's still much more profitable working with the mob and going against them will get you nowhere at the end of the day.

I don't think the American mafia is being mocked by other criminal organizations; they're definitely respected, but the way I see it, it's not out of fear or the threat of violence.

Italy of course, is a different ballgame. If a locally active Nigerian, Albanian or Chinese criminal would lay his hands on for instance a high ranking Camorra or Ndrangheta member he would see his sweatshop getting torched and his family being killed and dissolved in a barrel of acid in no time.

I think juste like you. In Italy, the italian crime groups got 10000 of italians that are ready to pull the trigger. While in Canada, many of the mob hits are made by other groups, blacks, bikers, whites or others. Sure you still got italians who do hits, but the mob don’t have the same street power than before, bbecause you see less young italians that are about that thug life, they will do scam etc. But they are not stone cold killers like the young ones in some poor neighborhoods

The assessment and contrast from Italy to the U.S. is very true. That much we do agree on.

Frank Smith, a hitman of the Coney Island-based Rival Impact gang, gunned down rivals in war with Thirty-O Crew. He was sentenced to life in prison on Monday: https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/b...the-coney-island-based-rival-impact-gang

What about the Gemini Crew and the Cuban Crisis? Castellano didn't want any part of the Cubans or Columbians and it makes you wonder how they would have fared in an all out war against Griselda Blanco or Sal Magluta and Willie Colon. What about The Medellin and Cali Cartels, you have Escobar, Carlos Lehder etc.

Coney Island West End Enterprise hitman sentenced to 32 years for murder and extortion of public works https://gangstersinc.org/blog/coney-island-west-end-enterprise-hitman-sentenced-to-32-years-for

Interesting article didn't realise smm had a set in Brooklyn, always thought they were Bronx based