Less Mobsters than ever in the US??

Just thinking how hard it is to be a mobster in today's age in America, your on a hiding to nothing, law enforcement has been pretty successful in shutting down hundreds of mobsters over the years. I wonder if there are less mobsters than ever in America today?
I'm not referring to just Italian organized crime, used to be many Jewish,Irish and Black gangsters operating rackets. I know people would say that today there are Cartels, Crips, Bloods etc, but to me a lot of those guys aren't mobsters or gangsters more thugs. I mean more sophisticated OC guys.

Living in the south, The only news I get about Cosa Nostra is here on this site and books, having said that, I would guess that C.N. is getting smaller, but I think there are more gangs than ever. We see them everywhere. There are plenty of knowledgeable NYC guys on here who can give you a more educated opinion

The mob here in NYC/Jersey is a shell of its former self, but it will still always be around here in NYC/Jersey in some way, shape, or form for years to come. It is still here but nowhere near as large and as powerful as it once was. In my opinion, they will always be involved in sports gambling here and sports gambling is a major part of the "guy culture" here in NYC/Jersey- you cant walk into any sports bar around here on a Sunday and not have a bunch of guys out sucking back beers and gambling on sports, its a fabric of our "culture" here in NYC/Jersey area. I will go out and state that the mob will always hold the sports gambling racket here in NYC/Jersey forever and I don't see them giving up control of it anytime within our lifetimes!

As for the American LCN there are approximately 1,000 members remaining. But about 90% of that is in the Northeast. Rougly 75% belonging to the 5 NY families alone. To put it another way, you could add up all of the remaining members outside the Northeast and it would be about the same as the smallest NY family.

the ny families may still be around, but, do they still have the trade unions? that was a huge money maker.





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Not only were the unions a big moneymaker for the mob, they were probably the main thing that set the LCN apart from every other crime group in the country - past or present. Anyway, the NY families are still involved in labor union racketeering. Their control or influence has been either weakened, if not removed, in many areas but remains in others.

How many full members in the chicago outfit now a days ?

FBI say 28.

Oh no here we go the debate on how many members Chicago has, just warning you Ricky this question has been asked a million times on this forum and almost every time it turns out to be nothing more then stupid.

Some say as low as 28 others say as high as 100 who knows brother. You will never get the right answer on this one.

ok thanks guys so not many crews now so maybe one or two ?

By the way it's just an FBI estimate. I think that might have been 28 active members but they have at least 40 I think. I don't know much about Chicago but i think they have 3 or 4 crews.

Estimates usually don't come in numbers like 28, which suggests they had a list of specific 28 guys who are known made members. This coincides with actual estimates in recent years that have said 25 or 30 members. It's certainly possible that there are some members flying under the radar but I doubt it's enough where the Outfit has "at least 40." I'd be willing to bet that law enforcement is not off by more than, say, 10% with a given family.

As far as crews go, during the Family Secrets case there was said to be 4 crews. A more recent article citing the FBI said it was down to 2 or 3 crews.

Roger that thanks guys for the info

Depends on what you mean by gangsters but the cartels arent just killers and thugs they have sophisticated intellegience and counter intelligence networks, pyramid like structures and rankings, they are into diverse criminal rackets and the whole operation in the city and cartel as a whole is very under reported in the U.S media. All you hear about the cartels is the killings but if you were living in Mexico, you would have heard orseen the cartels informants,drug dealers etc. the extortions, the police colution and corruption etc. Its not just gangsters killing each other on the street. I would even argue that most people being killed in Mex are not gangsters or killers but informants and street dealers or anyone that gives logisticd support to the local captain and his hitmen(these guys are the actual cartel members). Not to mention how deep rooted some of these drig familoes are.

I don't think the rest of the families outside NYC add up to 250. Philly and NJ have maybe 40 each at most? Chicago, NE and Detroit 30 each? Who else is there? Buffalo might exist, if they do maybe 20 more. That's 190 tops, and I bet 30% of them are over 75 years old. Plus outside of NYC/NJ they can't have that many associates as the Italians communities have disappeared for the most part. Chicago, NE, and Detroit will both be gone in 20 years as they have no reason to exist anymore for the most part.

People also don't know all the FBIs sources. They almost certainly have tons of guys that have been spilling their guts for years that we don't even know about.

Chicago has been so quiet lately. I honestly wonder if there will ever be any large scale revelations or busts again.

Seems like it's on deaths door.