mafia membership compare with other OC groups?

Mafia families smaller in membership or they larger? Im talking about their membership inUSA.
OC group like triads usually aeperate in small clains and operates independently, they seldom take order directly from the head of Sun Yi an or 14K,considering that, i think they are mostly small gruops.
I thought five families are large in size ,compared with most OC groups, but i never know is that true or not.
And, drug cartels and yakuza groups are usually larger,right?

Use Google and avoid asking dumb questions.

Maybe you might find a better use of your time not bothering to post if you don't know shit.

Yes except the American mob has quality members as other groups like the cartels have shit quality members. Seriously the. American mob is the most sophisticated organized group and will probably .remain so. The Gulf and Los Zetas are no different than Crips or Bloods in terms of quality, obviously Los Zetas or Gulf.members arent as outspoken but its the same pile of shit.

I actually know quite a bit. Just a lot of dumb posters here or wanna be googlers. Yakuza is the one of the largest.

I do what i want.whats it to do with you.

SonnyD and Extortion - stop the pissing contest. You're getting the sand in the sandbox wet.

I would say that for sheer numbers, it would have to be the Mexican cartel of laemm, which takes in maybe half a dozen central American countries.

Im talking about quantities,not qualities. Thanks anyway.

Stop asking stupid questions and come up with another idea for a screenplay.

Could you try to be more polite to other members? If you can't, just ignore them. There is no need for rude comments.

I'm sorry, I just get mad.

Funny,whats it up to you and you geat mad
I thought talking friendly is a good behavior even on internet, but maybe some of you have no idea how to spell it.
You dont like it, so just get away.

you can't compare the American Mafia with other OC groups; Crips and Bloods are numerous but for the most part consist of bands isolated not connected to each other, the Mexican drug cartels with the exception of the leaders are composed of members recruited to kill as much people as possible and then post the videos on the web, an example is the Mexican drug war, which broke out between the cartels and the Mexican state that has done 60,000 victims and in a few years with the Mexican state that is losing.

same thing for the other drug cartels in South America.

is impossible to compare the Triads or the Yakuza

In fact, in China in members of the triads are very numerous because being a corrupt country fails to curb the problem, is distinguished by the triad tong which is a more violent version being composed by the worst of the worst from people that is not accepted by the triads.

The Yakuza is a special case, in Japan there is a law such as RICO or italian 416 bis punishing participation in criminal enterprises, for which the various families of the yakuza have a total of 103,000 members.
This means that you can be part of the yakuza (to let you know is if the 5 families of NY businesses were legal, they had their own home and the wiseguy could infiltrate any society all in the light of the sun) and will be eventually punished only when you do something that comes from being part of the yakuza (murder, drug trafficking, etc.)


The Russian mafia is rightly considered as the most vicious and ruthless, having made in just 22 years since 1992 what the American and Sicilian mafia have done in a hundred years it comes out of the 300,000 members russia and ten times as much in russia.
with the fall of the USSR have filled the world with weapons they had stolen in the Ukraine, from army depots (as seen in lord of war) is also said to be the only mafia have nuclear warheads that would steal from the countries former USSR, it is actually more likely to sell plutonium.

I know this if I will remember something else I'll write it.

Many of the streetgangs allow 12 year-old kids to join. The Mafia is much more selective. You have to be able to earn for them in order to become made. I would say the Yakuza are the most organized and disciplined group with the largest membership.

If your speaking individual families wise then compared to other American crime groups they're small to mid-size group.
According to senior posters, Genovese is the current largest crime family with around 200 members and also the Gambinos. Gambinos had the largest membership historically and still today with only the Genovese as competition in that category. NY 5 collectively have around 700 members. Now if we compare them to other American groups than they could pale in comparison.or be equals or less. These are current or latest estimates of the other crime groups that was listed on Regan's Commission on Organized Crime:

Bandidos at 900 members.
Hells Angel at 800 members.
Outlaws at 700 members.
Pagans at 250 members.

La Eme at 350-400 members
Nuestra Familia at 250 members.
Black Guerrilla Family at 100-300 members ( Cali Only).
Aryan Brotherhood at 100 members. (Cali Only)

Obvious there's other groups like the various street gangs but there's specific picking to do. L.A crip sets like the East Coast Crips have 2,500 members and Rolling 60s at 1,600 members but the recent indictments of 52 Broadway Gangster Crips were the same size as Genovese/Gambinos. It varies from outnumber the crime families to being equal or smaller. There's crip/blood sets equal to NJ, Philly, and Outfit sized.

Shouldnt we consider associates?

OK, time for you to stop this, Simon. Do NOT incite anyone here. Just stick to posting about OC.

Thanks, i will.

No since there not official members and even if you did include associates then the other crime groups would still be larger than LCN families due their associates as well.

Is 800 the total official membership of Hells angel?

In America it's a conservative estimate just like LCN and since they have selective an selective membership.

But most gangs do not select membership at all.
Its unbelievable that in hongkong there were once a time the whole streets were full of triads member.

The Mexican Cartels have an estimated 10,000 or more hardcore members in total Sinaloa and Los Zetas being the largest and more numerous but they very different in business model and the way they operate. Los Zetas are more similar to the American mob in organization, structure and how the groups depend on the soldiers to control territory first, extract revenue from said territories,basically the "estacas" or soldiers are the back bone of the organization and spirit of the group. They are structured very similar to the American mob where's the captain and his "estacas" have controlled areas of the city with a local boss and sometimes the local underboss. Obviously the American mob doesnt have as much membership and corruption to control large parts of the U.S and because of that the American mob doesnt have more upper levels like the Zetas do like middle level bosses/lieutenants and regional bosses/generals that control various states etc. Also the like the American mob the Zetas soldiers have to kick up revenue from extortion, drug sales, oil theft, stolen cars, piracy etc. up the food chain unlike the other drug cartels were money from drug trafficking flows down the food chain eventually to the sicarios and down to lowest guys like spotters/informants. Obviously the mob doesnt have an intelligence network like the Zetas and other drug trafficking groups etc. The Sinaloa Cartel is a more old fashioned group where the soldiers arent the back bone of the group but simply reinforcers that can be thrown away or disposed of, the power lays within the various drug families or groups that operate within the Sinaloa Cartel. They (Sinaloa) dont really go after territory itself or sheer territory but seek to control ports, harbors,corridors etc. or logistics to move the massive amounts of hundreds/tons of kilograms of cocaine, black tar heroin, marijuana, and since they ports they import pharmesudicals from India or China to make into meth. Obvioudly there are areas or strongholds the Sinaloa Cartel operates that can't be penetrated by their enemies added that Sinaloa state and authorities are in cahoots with the Sinaloa group but what makes the Sinaloa so astonoshing is that they have the capacity to invade other drug cartels HQ/corridors with sucess permanent or long term presence and move drugs through their corridors or face war. The other cartel simply dont have the same capacity to do so. Sure the Gulf and Los Zetas may intent to do incursions into rival HQ/trafficking corridors but they have failed what Sinaloa has did and continues to do so. Have a permanent presence in rival HQ, hell they even have established a presence in Medellin Colombia profiting from local drug sales amid the turf war between La Oficina and Urebenos ever ending war for control of the city. They slowly creeping into right straight to control cocaine production in Colombia. Something the Colombians never managed to do in Mexico's case controlling the drug trafficking routes in Mexico or less even the corridors themselves. Quite suprising.

Things isnt like that. Its not for Chinese government, but hongkong ruled by Britain.
Triads never make it into mainland of China, actually only hongkong and taiwan is the traditional base of triads groups. Also some of the southern cities of Guangdong and Fujian province,especially Chaozhou.
But look at what happened in the mainland, i can tell you dozens of gang leaders who were arrested and sentenced to death. Government enforcement succeed in keeping large OC organizations away from most of the large cities, though i have to say they werent using legal system power.
90s in northeastern China, gang leaders such as SongJiayu, LiuYong were taken down easily, and nearly everybody involve in there activity was sentenced to death.
2008,Qingdao, Shandong province, the largest OC group, NieLei organization was destroyed.NieLei was sentenced to death.
This year, richest man in SiChuan province, LiuHan was arrested for leading a powerful gang.and he was sentenced to death 5 weeks ago.
So where triads come from?
I have to say 70% comes from Hongkong.
In 60s Hongkong was a corrupted city,due to lack of law enforcement.

I think the American Mafia has been around longer and thusly much more refined than some of these street gangs

900 Bandidos sounds about right. I think there was 2500-3000 patched guys world wide but they had a falling out with the clubs outside of the US and split.

Honestly it's not most as many speculate its just the individual groups varies. Remember that majority of the current day street gangs didnt blew up overnight. It took decades of absorption, partnerships, split ups , and reputation to get where they are now. In the beginning you had to be tough to join and make it through the 50-60s in L.A & Chicago. Chicago will always have the history of organized gangs and back then it was a lot of meetings and arrangements going on and still today. Lets just say that the rabbit hole goes deeper than what people on the outside knows. I digress.

Gangs do have selective membership , you must be loyal, tough, and/or hustler. They recruit kids because its easier to mentor into the group, law penalties, and of course some are born into it. But not all recruit kids and others recruit young adults. Juveniles only make up 40% of America's gang population. The rest are adults.

Juveniles only make up 40% of streetgangs? LOL

If a gang allows little kids 12 years old to become a member, then they are not selective at all.

What's funny about the 40%? You do realized that doesn't apply to all individual groups.

Also, The Camorra is well known for recruiting juveniles too. Does that make them not selective at all? http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-13/news/mn-1923_1_organized-crime