Genovese family not as violent as the 4 fams

From what I see and read on the genovese family, they DONT seem to be AS VIOLENT as as a crime family as the other 4 families. Is that really the case? Each family has had it's height of violence/murders in their history such as the bonanno's in the 70's and 80's, the Colombo's in the 60's thru the 90's, the gambino's in the 70's and 80's and the lucchese's in the 80's and 90's. Were there a violent period for the genovese's? Thanks fellas

No. They're just not as fast to pull the trigger (no pun intended). But cross them. Even today. See what happens.

they been since probably 2000 with atleast 5+ of there guys whacked, that luchese guy in nj may have been by them to and you probably cant count associates but im guessing a lot like the jeweler on staten islans who was robbed n killed

Bang-Pop-Pop...Would be the last sound you ever heard.

Lol I know pizza. I would never count them out as far as them being killers. I guess with them it's more brains over brawn. No wonder why they stand right now as the most successful and most powerful out of the other 4. Thanks pizza for your reply

You'd probably just hear the bang .

Ping! Pow! Boom!

They're just as violent as the rest, more calculated though.

PB has that one right , that is the one family that still instills fear into people

You can not cross them and everyone knows it , even today , you really have to hand it to them how disciplined they are and how they are able to generate tremendous income with no headlines .

Even today there is very little info on any of their leaders and there hasn't been in a long time , people aren't even sure who the leaders are .

I always thought they had a tremendous amount of control in new jersey. a lot of powerful bosses in jersy answered to the genoveses. tony provensano was a Genovese, ruled the teamsters in jersey, gyp decarlo was a Genovese, and sam calvacante was a Genovese. when vito Genovese was alive, jersey answered to him.

when you take an oath to kill ,bet your ass they are violent..the days of the 80s are gone..all those animals are gone. they killed to take things from each other, not to protect the family.. westside has always been the best in that area..chin was brilliant

I strongly disagree with those who claim that the Genovese Family were/are less violent than the other NY Families. Plenty of Genovese hits occured throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Two high ranking members were killed (Tommy Ryan in 1972 and Carmine Zeccardi in 1977). An attempted hit was made on Sally Palmieri (a skipper) in 1980; Carli DiPietro (another skipper) was killed in 1981. And plenty of soldiers/associates lost their lives in a violent way (Paddy Macchiarole, Lardiere, Briguglio, Pappa, George Zappola Sr, DiGiglio, Nat Maselli, John Malanga, Vincent Mistretta, Angelo Sangiullo etc, etc). Making a list of all the Genovese victims would take a lot of time and space. Gigante was known to have ordered plenty of hits.

However, the most violent Family, speaking from a historical perspective, is hands down the Colombo Family (pound for pound).

PB, you don´t call, you don´t write... ;-) I sent you a PM over on RD some days ago buddy.

I bet you don't miss me HK,i text you all the time buddy

hk, looks like you have been doing some research on the Genovese family. the columbos hade greg scarpa, hell of a heavy hitter, it seems like the columbos were always at war with persico running them.

Yes Persico never wanted to give up power'althoug being in jail for life.Persico-orena war was because of that.Among other things.



I allways imagine Persico sitting in his cell singing: "I did it my way" by Sinatra.I think that he's a kind of guy that dosen't care what anybody else is saying how he ruined the family,he just goes"f..k it,i did it my way"

Your thirst for knowledge knows no boundaries. :-)



Persico was a very violent man. And he had plenty of guys who were fully apt to carry out his orders, also in between wars. He enjoyed (and perhaps still does) a great deal of respect and admiration due to his reputation from fighting the Gallos in the 1960s.

Hehehe that's true HK,anyway got an A(to je kod nas 10,kao shto i sam znash)on that papper,so i have you to thank HK.My proffessor said how come you know so much about LCN,i just smiled an told him"ser,just SOME FRIENDS OF MINE"

Georgie Neck's father?

U can add Lawrence ricci and Ralph Coppola to that list aswel

I understand what you mean hk... But I just feel like the numbers don't lie if we talking hits of each family. in the genovese, less guys got clipped in that family than the other 4 families which is actually a good thing for the genovese's. That is why the genovese family today remains on top. The bonanno's whacked skippers like it's nothing, the Gambino's historically are known to whack out their own bosses since wayyyyy back when they were the D'aquila family in the 20's. Only bosses that didn't get clipped was Carlo Gambino and john Gotti and John was either lucky or very smart to survive all the murder attempts on his life after Paul was whacked. the Colombo's are notorious for war with eachother and There were a whole lot of victims from those three wars alone and The lucchese's were pretty good, did things quiet since gagliano and lucchese ... Weren't as violent until the 70's thru the 90's. Than it got Far worse when gaspipe and vic Amuso took over. Nobody was safe from those two maniacs smh I know the genovese's are known to put in work and have clipped many guys through out their history but not as many as the other 4 families that's a fact

I believe so yes. A Brooklyn guy.

CORRECTION - I looked into it and it´s possible that Zappola could have been an uncle of Georgie Neck. He was only 15 apparently when Georgie Neck was born. He was indicted in 1979 on extortion charges and the newspapers said he lived in Staten Island.



Yep! Both acting skippers.

I bet Tony Bananas could answer this

well actually when the genovese family had its violent era during and before vito's reign on it. as genovese rose to power there were many top mob figures killed in his path. but every family has to kill to get there way.

They never went through a psycho phase like the Colombo war, casso serial killing spree or the Gotti rock star nonsense.

Looking back at how the other families behaved in the 80's and 90's I wonder what all the Genovese were thinking, sitting back and having to deal with it.

Don't the Genovese have one or two of the more recent hits?

I know there was the Bonanno one at the bus stop...but there was either one or two Genovese ones sometime before that one but I cannot recall who they were

There are a few. The list was just posted in another thread about two weeks ago called : "recent mob hits" or something.

i think the most violent period of the genovese's was in 1920s and 1930s

Over the past 10-15 years, the Genovese have actually been the most violent family. Among those murdered included a captain, acting captain, soldier, as well as the attempted murder of a union official.

I know you're just talking about New York here, but if you go outside New York I would argue that Philly is the most violent in the country, in that they have had about the same number of hits as the Genovese in the past 15 years but are much smaller (like 10 times as small? something like that). So when it comes to "hits per capita" or whatever, Philly is the worst.

Of course if you extend this to include Canada, Montreal is the "winner" hands down.

You're probably right about Philadelphia, relative to its size. I count a soldier (Martorano) and 4 associates (Finelli, Casasanto, Maniscalco, and DiPietro) killed, plus 2 associates (Perrotta, Beebee) wounded, since 2000.

Ivy that Finelli name in philly you mentioned never heard of him or his murder before, can u elaborate a little on that? What crew was he with?

The Genovese have had a steady stream of hits, but no extremely violent eras like the other four families. Vic & Gas whacked about 30 guys in 7 years. Gambinos were dropping people like flies durung the Castellano and Gotti years. Colombos had been at war for decades. Bonannos were at war from the Banana war until the Pizza case..

http://www.americanmafia.com/mob_report/8-5-02_Mob_Report.html

Thanks ivy, much appreciated

The Genovese family has done plenty of hits, they are just more subtle about it. Someone goes missing but no body is found, you really can't say a murder took place, the guy just skipped town. Only time a body is found is for leaving a message. The family it seems now a days is to use murder as a final resort.
On a side note, Illiano and Longo crews merged. Gallo retired, Longo is now a soldier and Anthony "Figgy" kid is now the skipper of that crew.