Bikers vs Mobsters

Bikers generally are more tougher than the mob. Look up the history of the Hells Angels, Pagans, and other biker gangs, especially in relation to serving as muscle FOR the mob. Gangs like those make their members perform physical feats. You have to be able to lift a certain weight. You have to fight people at the drop of a hat. And not to mention, bikers carry just as many weapons. Bikers will stab somebody right in front of a cop. They don't care.
Mafia guys (for the most part) don't even work out. That's why they use bikers as muscle.

Bikers are like inmates, they do believe in some degree of working out, to whereas most mobsters wouldn't know what a weight was if it hit them in the head.

I think it has more to do with providing a convenient buffer. the guys on the streets are caught way more frequently than the wholesalers.

Look up Joe Ligambi, Nicky Scarfo, or John Gotti. Now look up Steve Mondevergine, Andrew Lozano, or some other biker and tell me which group looks like they lift more.

Who cares what they can lift? This isn't high school...

I looked them up. One group lifts guns and cannoli's and the other group lifts 12 oz bottles and also straws to powder their noses.

There all punks, the working guy is the tough guy..

While there is no question that outlaw biker gangs are extremely violent and fearless,they are more restrained when working for hire. If they are collecting a gambling debt or carrying out a beating or a killing,they aren't going to draw any attention to themselves,since this could result in putting the Club at risk.

Having said that,if it involves a threat to the Club itself,then yes,they will kill a rival gang member in the middle of a police station,if that is what has to be done.

I thought the working man was a Sucker! (JK)

A dear departed friend of mine once got into a fight with four hells angels they fucked him up. I can't imagine why he was not carrying his gun normally he did.

Any way after he got out of the hospital he was looking for revenge. Their club house was near 8 street and ave A in Manhattan some where around there.

He just kept watching their club house an angel left and went to his apartment. He was together with a women he had a few kids with her.

Ralphie knocked on the door when the women answered the door Ralphie killed every one in the house including her kids.

Lift what weights?

That's why I would fear an outlaw club more than the Mob. I think the mob these days is about earning money, it's a business. They don't kill rats because once they testify the damage is done, no sense interrupting their income to search for some witness in Bumfuck, Idaho or someplace. But I get the impression the outlaw clubs are still brotherhoods, they ride together and drink together. Not having the club brother's back is a huge dishonor in that world. I don't think it's about physical strength.

Oh the Santa Rosalia feast the 18 ave feast starts on Aug 21 runs for a 11 days

You know what they say about motor bike gangs colors? Those colors don't run and neither do the guys that wear them.

You could stop reading right there.

@Carmela....That's too funny but True.

The OP is obviously a sheltered suburban kid.

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You could do the same thing with any of the Bronx feasts that are still around. Just insert a couple of Dominicans where those Asians are.

But to be fair, a lot of the Italians who bolted for the suburbs do come back for the feasts. These are the same people who show up at the Arthur Avenue market on December 23rd to buy eels and squid. Makes them feel Super Italian .

"more tougher" instead of just tougher. Hmm.

Well, they probably are since they wear those Muslim beards and we all know how tough Muslims are.

I know who I'd have my money on.

NOW YOUSE CAN'T LEAVE!

I sent the picture of the Chinese guys Santa Rosalia to a friend of mine in Harlem.

He wrote back

Why not go to the Chinese Italian Feast (where?  in China?) since you missed the Giglio Lift last Sunday.  I was looking for you but I only saw Genie Boy from ahun9, so I only stayed a few hours to have my annual sausage and pepper sandwich and a few zeppoles, and then I left before they stopped lifting.  And since I was full from the sausage and the zeppoles, I didn't even stick around for the Giglio Society banquet in the church basement.
 
Lou

Man this fucking guy must love me. He leaves because I did not show up for the lift. My grand daughter baptismal party on Saturday. Sunday the daughter the communist and my grandson flew back to Germany. Also Sunday my other grand daughter flew out of the country to see her other Grand Parents so I could not get away to see the lift.

I must be the life of the fucking party

Lou and I were kids together in Italian Harlem. This guy Gus would take us and other people in my building to Jones beach in his moving truck.

That guy was something he was with Murder Inc. they would kill someone and he would come in his truck cover the body with his furniture moving pads and remove the body for disposal.

But see he was a nice guy when not doing that stuff. If it was not for him I would never got to see Jones beach as a kid. He was also an actual moving man.

He was a short stucky guy. He would strap a refrigerator on his back and carry it up 5 flights of stairs.

Does it matter? The Mafia didn't become powerful by being the toughest criminals. Everyone is strong enough to pull a trigger.

This.

As long as they leave the ink out.

Cant reconcile black food.

Nanna made or no....


Somethin wrong there...

Old school mafioso.

These guys would win.

Insult them, whatever, they'd smile, nod and walk away, but they'd make sure you got yours at some stage. Because if they couldnt win right there and then, you'd be bottom-drawed untill they could.

Bikers react emotionally to any given situation and would fight even when they'd know they'd lose.

And a mafioso. Well, there's nothing tougher than two to the back of the head.

At the time, or 6 months later.

I fear a evil smart fucker than a dumb lug.

Ones muscle and brains. The other, just muscle.

I know who I'd fear more.

@ Moe Tilden:

Where'd you find the picture of SC?

*Cheesy grin*

I can't speak for any other OMG,but there isn't a Mafiosi on the street,old school or otherwise,that would have the stones to f*ck with the Pag*ns.

In Philly, Scarfo and Merlino both thought they were tough guys until they crossed them. Little Nicky tried to collect his famous "street tax" from the Club. They laughed in the faces of his goons and Nicky kept his mouth shut and took it.

Check out this link for a little background on the Merlinos and the Club.

http://articles.philly.com/1995-10-05/news/25697018_1_pagans-source-joseph-skinny-joey-merlino

Hear what you're saying but to rephrase. You can run from the pagans. The wear their colours on their sleave. Literally.

A mafioso wears a suit *insert filo tracksuit joke here*, so you DONT see the threat coming.

I can run or fight a threat I see. I cant one I dont.

That's the difference.

I understand what you're saying Sonny. Up to a point, I agree. But if the bikers stab somebody or beat him to death, he's dead the same as if he was shot with some small caliber pistol with a suppressor by a made guy or associate. The mobsters are tough, really tough. Of course they're capable of killing you, if they think it's necessary. But I just think they're more about money and business.

Who really cares who's physically stronger? These kind of threads are ridiculous to begin with. They're all career criminals and they all have members more than capable enough to commit brutal acts of violence (including murder).

Adding to that: it all depends on the location. In NYC the bikers are nowhere near the mobsters. In some other place, for instance California or Texas, bikers would run the wiseguys out of town. You often hear these laughable claims from 14 year old kids that go like: "Russians and Albanians so much stronger than Italians blablabla". While the last time I checked in NYC it were the Russians kicking up to the Italians. As for the Albanians like the Rudaj gang (who had as many Italian and Greek members as they had Albanian ones- check the arrests if you don't believe me) who tried to take on the mob...where exactly are they now? That's right, rotting in jail and they don't have any street presence anymore. In other cities throughout the world it may be different. Consensus: these "mob ethnic/cultural group 1 vs. mob ethnic/cultural group 2"-battles are ridiculous.

Any thread with the abbreviation vs. in the heading is going to be childish and retarded. This one has been no exception.

True that. People come (or should come) to these forums to learn or share new information. These kind of threads add nothing and should be kept for wikia pages such as DeadliestFiction or the likes.

Whew. I was about to start a thread "Joey Testa Vs. Anthony Senter who is more psycho". Dodged that bullet.

Should I start a thread like "Chicago vs New York: which mob is/was stronger and cooler?". I bet the debates in this thread will be the most educated, polite, and informative for mob experts

Yeah, that'd last about an hour before it got locked by the mods .

oh yeah because that can't be possible

i'll take a biker into a fist before i take john gotti (see what happened to him}

Exactly!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRxhCxLCNOo

Aren't we comparing apples and oranges here fellas?

Bikers have no choice but to lift weights and look intimidating because outside of prostitution and drug deals they have to extort money to live on, and the tougher looking they are, the easier people will pay up, where as some mob guys actually have brains and can think up good money making scams that the bikers never will...And has anybody ever seen a biker fight one on one with anybody ?? They fight five against one...Sonny Barger even admits that in his book !!

Succinctly, bikers want you to know who they are, mobsters are supposed to be secretive...or at least, once upon a time, they were.

We'll it really depends on the biker or mobsters but there there gets a point when criminals turn into scum. That's where I draw the line and those who cross it are monsters or cowards. I think bikers overall might go down for a fight but the alchohol and mob mentality helps in getting down with someone. I think street gangs are tougher than both since they live in the hood, where murders take place daily. They kinda become immune to it but I am not sure. Do I see street gangs having more hardcore members than both bikers and monsters. There are some crazy motherfuckers out there. Though prison gangs are the most dangerous in my opinion especially La Eme and AB. They are the elites of the criminal underworld and probably the most hardcore criminals on average around the world.

La Eme are practically gang members. Most La Eme members are high ranking leaders of several Southern California street gang cliques, the vast majority of them from Florencia 13 and 18th Street Gang. Which proves that street gang member can be just as capable of organized crime

Members of La EME are ex gangbangers. They, in a way, surpassed the entire gangbanging culture and became "sophisticated", as much as drug addict lifers can be. And it's not just F13 and 18ST. As a matter of fact, one of the most connected Sureno gang is Avenues, because of the Aguirre family. Sorry for going off topic, guys!

Excuse me for getting off topic , but not all gang members live in the hood.

I loved that scene in "Bronx Tale" where the bikers came into Chez Bippy and refused to leave so the mob guys locked the door and said "Now you can't leave" and proceeded to kick ass and bust up motorcycles. Fiction of course, but still entertaining

If the bikers are more toughest motherfucker then the mobster,explain to me why the Hell's Angels or the Outlaws,that are the most numerous biker clubs haven't declared war against the mob families ?

why Pagans haven't declared war against the Philly mob ?

Are more numerous and stronger than the the mafia (400 vs 40-50). Maybe because you can be a tough son of a bitch when you want, but if your "brothers" begin to die and know to get long prison terms, then you think about it and know that it is better to work with them instead of attacking them.

In addition bikers are recognizable, the mobsters no; You never know who is that can hit you.

If John Gotti wasn't in prison and with cancer, the black that attacked him had already been killed by Gotti himself.

small example and sorry if I go out of the post.

When Cutolo declared war to the old Camorra families had thousands of soldiers for most young men ready to kill anyone and rule in the prisons, the other families had 100 or 200 men, but they were more expert and eventually won them.

This is the difference between the mob and the bikers, quality vs quantity.

@furio


bikers and mobsters operations rarely cross paths, and if they do they work together

john gotti got his ass whooped because jeff fort gave the order

gotti wasn't shit compared to jeff fort in marion, illinois

Not these ducktales again.

^^^^^

the only ducktale is that the aryans were scouring the earth for willie

do u have any clue what would've happened to willie if he attacked gotti WITHOUT PERMISSION?

Let's avoid that topic and stay on the Bikers vs. Mobsters please. We don't need this heated argument all over again.

what's the difference? They're both fucking criminal elements.

I Agree The Australian, the only difference is that Mobsters wear tailored suits!

We're with The Vipers.

Don't forget the almond paste

Same principle. And the truth is, the people who come to Arthur Avenue from the suburbs just to shop for dry goods are REALLY retarded. At least with the perishables (especially the bread and pastries), you can justify the trip. But there's no such thing as a dry good that can't be found online today.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=632330

What's quality in gamgster for you? Being street smart, down to kill anyone
(Even in front of cops), how they conduct their criminal operations or approach rivals. Or just simple criminal experience? Can you narrative how did the war between Cutolo and the Camorra families happened or explain how these "expert" mobsters won. I can show you the contrary between the war between Sinaloa cartel and the Amado Carillo family(Juarez Cartel). Even though Chapo had the army and federal police on his payroll in Valley(Ciudad Juarez city and surrounding areas) and thousands of low quality gang bangers(Mexicles) he lost the war against a shell of a cartel that used be the most powerful in Mexico and Latin America called the Amado Carillo family. Chapo had the political and the Chichuaha state backing him up, from the local politicians to the jail guards. Not to mention 10,000 federal police and soldiers, Juarez city alone had about a combined 5,000 federal police and soldiers many on Chapos payroll. Imagine that. 5,000 soldiers and federal police plus thousands of gang bangers vs 5,000 hard core Barrio Azteca gang members they conduct the local distribution and retail sales for La Limea which itself is kinda of the guys in charge of the Juarez drug corridor for the Amado Carillo family. For every 8 Barrio Azteca members or affiliates, the soldiers and federal police detained one Mexicles(Chapos gangbangers). Chapo originally went for the corridor itself which he kind of won, in the sense he didn't have to pay taxes to the Amado Carillo family but then he went for local distribution and retail sales and that's when he started to get his ass kicked. He did managed to go hold part of the city's local drug sales but Barrio Azteca managed by La Linea ultimately kicked the Mexicles out. Now Chapos guys (Gente Nueva) operate mainly on the outer outskirts of the area let alone Ciudad Juarez itself. Chapo had the political and police/army connections there but he ultimately lost against a well entrenched drug family that has operated since the 90s.

You guys obviously have boners for mobsters and that clouds your judgement or else you wouldn't be asking dumb questions with obvious answers (about physical fitness for example).
Common sense 101: Strength and conditioning plays a factor in a fight. In a fight between two groups who are not trained, the group that works out and generally fights much more often is going to win.
300lb fat fucks like the one in the Bronx tale biker bar scene would get their asses handed to them by a biker or anyone remotely competent. As someone else pointed, that fat guy aint't hurting nobody in a fight. You do know the mob HIRES bikers to do their fighting for them and it ain't because the mobsters just don't feel like it? Your opinion is based on nothing more than a preference. You actually throw all logic out the window for the sake of that preference too.

Look how tough Casso was in prison when he didn't have knuckle draggers like Chiodo backing him up.

Hits someone over the head with a rolled up newspaper and gets his ass handed to him.

Sums it up.

Are those scars, acne scars or dimples on Casso's face in that 60 Minutes interview?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLEdTZCyFfE

lets throw the cartel, IRA and the Sicilian Mafia in the mix and see if we cant make this argument even more childish.........

I was already too late

+1

This thread is beyond stupid.

Don't know what to say about this thread other than "lol". It only takes 1 determined man to change history... regardless of who he may be, or his affiliations.

Lozano is an Hispanic name. Not Italian.

Not true. Lozano is of Italian origins. Google it. You can have your own opinions but you can’t have your own facts.

Doesn`t the mob have way more associates than the biker clubs? I mean Philly family must had a few hundred associates which would make them a similar-sized organization with the Pagans. Why do people usually only count made members as mob muscle while most violent mobsters are probably the younger associates?

Also it seems a lot of people think American LCN members are not very violent or tough, I wonder what do you guys think of Canadian mobsters or mobsters in Italy? I think those real Italians are very hard-core gangsters.

In Canada they often sub-contract hits to street gangs

yeah but I guess that`s because they don`t want to draw too much attention to themselves?

This was one of the dumbest threads ever posted on any internet forum.