Delying trial the right move for Madonna/DiNapoli?

So I've read on here that the reason the 2007 and 2009 Lucchese indictments have been postponed so long is that Madonna and DiNapoli want to postpone the trial until they pass away (both of them being 78 at this point). However, in hindsight, couldn't they have outlived their prison sentences? The 2007 indictment was primarily on gambling and money laundering charges. Doesn't seem like it would carry a heavy sentence if they pleaded out. They might of not even been charged in 2009 if they were serving time for the first indictment or would of received lesser charges. I don't see how they would of received 7 years if they accepted a global plea deal, meaning they would of out lived their sentences.

I'm guessing they didn't anticipate living this long? Or am I just underestimating the severity of the charges against them?

It's a joke at this point. But it's not funny to the guys that are still attached to the case and can't plea without their blessing.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out as it's basically a glorified gambling charge , that's how they makes their $ , I'm not gonna speculate as I really have no idea how this turns out legally except it smartened up a few of those guys for sure, doubt you hear them on a celly again.

Yeah, give me a good old fashioned wire room any day .

I've never been to prison but I have to believe prison is stressful and really takes a toll on an old guy's health and would make them go faster than they normally would on the outside.

Yeah it's the 3rd most stressful event in your life awaiting trial. The other two being the death of a child and a messy divorce.

Try to keep it that way. A Michigan prison is no place for a 20 year old White guy. Just stating a fact .


The medical attention you get in prison sucks. And when you're on the Government's shit list, it's often deliberate. Look at John Gotti. What started as a treatable oral cancer, ended up a long, agonizing death march.

I'm not a Gotti "fan," and quite frankly he deserved to be in prison, in spite of the fact that it was a lowlife rat who put him there. But what's right is right. The Government let that guy suffer like he was Osama bin Laden.

Good point. The life expectancy for guys in prison (even factoring out murders/injuries) is probably a lot lower than the national average.

I really am shocked at how they are able to delay a trial for seven, eight years. How is that even possible?

That's what i was wondering myself...I would think maybe 6 months to a year you could postpone something like that, but 7 yrs?

Pizzaboy hit the nail on the head. You wouldnt want to get a band aid in prison never mind serious medical attention. Plus, the staph infections in prison are out of control then you have the substandard food.

I can't remember why, but the DA Office delayed one of the investigations for a while. Otherwise, yes it is very odd. I'm guessing Madonna and DiNapoli hired some VERY good/expensive lawyers.

Also the whole thing with catalado not wanting to pay for a lawyer, that went all the way to the supreme court, the state couldnt go on with their case until that was settled(the only thing that really settled it was catalato dying).

There has also been quite a bit of litagation about the defense wanting alot of the wiretaps thrown out on some technacalities.

This is just a couple of ways that theyve delayed the trial so far.

I was doing a little research on it and noticed another bust in 2009 with these guys. Is that tied in?

Also, I really can't believe they have been able to delay it for so long. Feds must be furious. Did everyone get bail?

r kelly did it and is a free man because of it (plus other reasons)

continuances usually never hurt your chance of beating a case

So does anyone know when/what the next step is in this case?

Thanks in advance.

There's an evidentiary hearing right after Labor Day.

Cheers PB.

(Now I'm off to google 'evidentiary hearing')

What does that mean, pb? How long after that for a trial?

It's legalese for wasting more time .

The funny thing is, evidentiary hearings normally take place right after the charges are initially filed. That should tell you right there where this thing is .

any update on the trials?

Most is gambling but there was conspiracy to kidnap and assault. They have all that on tape. Some of the idiot jersey kids waited outside a bank to grab an employee who owed money. Cops confiscated a kinife. Its all on tape. Also the conspiracy to smuggle heroin. Some of the guys, maybe 5 will get hit with bigger charges. Keep in mind, the asset seizures as well.
Modonna amd denapoli are looking at leaders of a criminal organization.
The feds could pick this case up and in the interim, be building there own case. Im sure those guys are still doing there thing under the watchful eye of the fbi.

I have heard the top NJ guy in the case was never offered a plea so that could be holding up the others pleaing and the case in general

There's a hearing in January, but I wouldn't hold my breath on anything happening. Because two of the New York defendants just turned down another plea less than a month ago. And I doubt they were given much of a choice in the matter.

Delaying a trial for long duration's for wiseasses that are longer is a goddamn shame they won't act like they care but best believe they do.

am i missing something??? the prosecution can easily say " this is our final offer, take it or go to trial".
the fact that they are'nt could mean the evidence against the bronx guys isnt so strong other than some minor charges. the jersey guys better like playing checkers ,eating food of unknown origin, and listening to black inmates rapping at bed time.

They want a global plea on everyone higher than a sheet writer, and they're not gonna budge. I'm just shocked that three branches of government (NY, NJ and the Feds) are working so well together here. They'd ordinarily be pissing all over each other by now.

The feds and local law enforcement working together is the " new normal" PB.
Ever since 911, the feds and the locals seem to work so much better together.
You still have certain circumstances but for the most part, they work well together.
Case and point, the new gang units/ task forces are comprised of local cops, fbi, and dea.

Yeah, I get that. I'm just thinking back to the days when Diane Giacalone got Willie Boy Johnson killed because she refused to give the indictment to senior Feds and Prosecutors. She dug her heels in, outed an informant, got him killed, and blew the case (and I fully realize that they bribed a juror, but if she wasn't so green she might have seen it coming).

this case must be all fucked up tommy shots in all the colombos were indicted after them and they all wen to trial on multi homicides and postponed sentencing+ even the rats got sentence except big dino. anyone want to guess what the other capo cop killer gets if caves got 12 yrs. big dino must get 15 which is still a gift. but wow to kill a nypd and no one gets life and they reward the shooters crazy. even gotti would have never thought this would happen. my favorite mob blogger says would the fbi give someone 12 yrs if they shot one of there own. tommy shots. ive noticed in the last few years the judges are going a little higher almost all the time in the turncoats sentencing. double digits becomeong the stand. there was one luchese soldier 10years back kept collecting on his loans threw his wife collecting the gov ript up his agreement gave him 11 years on the original loanshark shit he was indicted for. hes probably just wrapping up his stretch now. say big dino gets 18 years like tommy shot, seen the judge gave the same sentence to westside capo tico as the rat who set up the jewelers killing.

that's true but with this guy Competiello you mentioned and the last high profile rat I can remember being senetenced, Anthony arilliotta from springfield who got 10 years. both had already half of their prison sentences at time served and you know their not doing 100% of that. so in reality that 12 year sentence is just a headline and really just has a couple more to go.

But there still in prison. Right dell? Like there not at home house arrest there probably in a wing in ottisville where they got cable internet and probably anything they want except women. But being cop killer the guards are not treating them good unless the feds changed there names and even the c.os don't now who they are. Wonder how Joel cacace is doing he must be getting tortured somewhere but he got 5 yes to go.

True. Sad, but true. You can't trust the G when they say that these rats are doing the full ride. No fucking way. Their real names aren't even registered with the BOP to begin with. I guarantee you that Joey Massino was breathing clean air for years before the Government admitted to springing him.